gdeath wrote:

[Normal]

1. 02:46:640 (4) - Hmm...keep it as secret for now. When you read the modding on Hard / Insane, will konw why i point this out.Lol
2. Well, actually, I'm all fine with this diff. But only one issue should be kept in mind.
   Considering that this is a song with high bpm, I dont know whether MATs/BATs are fine with the spacing as they are a bit out of range.
3. Hopefully, the way to go is all fine with you.

Thank you so much for your time. Um, for the (4) are you talking about the fact that I ended the bm so early?? Cause I don't think beginners enjoy long bm's that's why I ended just 2 choruses into the song. Or else there's no other optimal time to end the song early. It's either I end it there or I have to map it through the full 4:21 length.


[Hard]

1. 00:11:302 (4) - Have the volume lower. Volume 100% is too loud for finish. Try volume 70%
   and remove whistle, doesnt sound good with mixing hitsound here imo. done.
2. 00:34:233 (1) - ^ (Finish volume 85%, a bit difference as above) done
3. 00:50:784 (1) - ^ (85%) done.
4. 01:01:819 (4) - This one is nice~ thanks
5. 01:15:612 (1) - No mix (just my feeling, you dont have to fix it and all above) think it's alright.
6. 01:56:647 (4,5,6) - Looks spacing error, move them up a bit. oh oops thanks a lot
7. 01:57:509 (1,2,3) - Same spacing and completely different rhythm...hmmm...If you could make the rhythm easier / more clear, it would be better. (just pick this issue out) yea you're right. I combined them into a slider
8. 04:06:646 (2,3) - Spacing error, stack the double spacing with 04:07:336 (3,4) fixed.
9. 04:06:129 (1,2) - ^ fixed.
10. 04:21:819 (3) - Agian...No mix.

I think this is alright.

[Insane]

1. 01:48:715 (1,2) - The jump looks like a sudden death Lol and even has no new combo to highlight it. LOL yea but that's the fun in playing insane. I purposely placed it that way
2. Well, Pls have look at my idea / suggestion below.
3. ①.Selection scheme: 01:48:543 (4) - Set the slider with reversing once, and remove the note at 01:48:715 (1), then switch new combo at 01:48:888 (2)
4. ②.01:48:715 (5) - Hide it in previous slider behind and remove new combo, then switch combo at 01:48:888 (2). (If you could narrow the range accordingly, It would look better) Your suggestion is awesome, but I just added a new combo at (2) so it'd be easier to see. And also I don't wanna reverse the tiny sliders cause it's too fast I might as well keep it all the same. Thanks for your suggestion though!
5. 02:13:888 (4) - New combo?( As you did the same thing at 02:10:784 (2,3,1,2,3), 4 circles & 1 slider, new combo was switched by the 3rd circle) Ok, fixed.
6. 02:23:198 (6) - New combo and remove new combo at 02:23:888 (1) ( Because the slider at
7. 02:23:888 (1) looks lonely.xD) LOL I added the new combo there for the different colours guess the slider at 02:23:888 (1)'s gotta stay strong.
8. 02:32:164 (7) - Would be better if you could swith combo in order to highlight the quadrangle jumpy. Done.
9. 02:34:060 (5) - New combo, you know why i point it out =) Yup done.
10. 03:19:750 (1,1) - The rhythm doesnt play well. I think it's alright.
11. Again, here is my idea / suggestion below.
12. 03:20:267 (1) - Remove the slider and reverse the slider with 1 time at 03:19:750 (1), then add a circle at 03:20:778 ( pls note dont forget to adjust spacing during the revising process)
13. 03:22:502 (2,3) - ^ Yea I think it's good the way it is since the sliders are relatively short anyway.
14. 03:58:026 (4,5,6,7,1) - spacing tiny error.(Move right a bit) Done.
15. 04:31:129 (4) - spacing tiny error.(Move up a bit)

Fixed.


Apart from those stuff, you made a good effort. Good luck!
/me shoots a star.

Thanks a lot for your time to mod. kudosu

Sakura Hana wrote:

IRC modded

[box=chatlog etc]19:03 <hoLysoup> : done uploadin
19:04 <hoLysoup> : I realized for a while when i do / np
19:04 <hoLysoup> : my link links people to peppy's map
19:04 <hoLysoup> : that's why no one from #modreqs modded it
19:15 <Sakura_Hana> : ok first of all please reduce stack leniency on [Insane] to 5
19:16 <Sakura_Hana> : basically around here http://puu.sh/1jFM
19:16 <Sakura_Hana> : the current stack leniency is making many slider stacks look ugly as hell in gameplay XD
19:16 <hoLysoup> : what exactly does stack leniency do?
19:18 <Sakura_Hana> : or just return it to 7 i just realized that you just didnt stack notes well ROFL
19:18 <Sakura_Hana> : but 7 is the default
19:18 <hoLysoup> : LOl k... but what does stack leniency mean?
19:18 <hoLysoup> : or do?
19:18 <Sakura_Hana> : stack leniency affects the stacking of notes in game you WONT see a difference in editor
19:19 <hoLysoup> : so if you stack 50 beats at 1 location on high stack leniency what would happen/
19:19 <Sakura_Hana> : you would see the first beat at the top left
19:19 <Sakura_Hana> : and start working diagonally to the point where the beats were at
19:20 <hoLysoup> : so if it's low stack leniency it'd all be at the exact location?
19:20 <Sakura_Hana> : that would be on stack leniency 0, beats need to stack, so stack leniency 0 is unrankable, however using
19:20 <Sakura_Hana> : too high stack leniency will make beats stack when they arent supposed to
19:21 <Sakura_Hana> : since stacking moves the beats a bit to the top left it will make patterns look ugly
19:22 <hoLysoup> : good stuffs
19:22 <Sakura_Hana> : your spacing on [Insane] is inconsistent too, i dont mind jumps but try to keep your spacing the same
19:22 <Sakura_Hana> : throughout the whole difficulty with the exception of jumps
19:23 <Sakura_Hana> : dont use slider speed changes to increase spacing there are other options for that, the 1st is distance
19:23 <Sakura_Hana> : snap (hold alt and move the thingy at the top right) and the second is scale by
19:24 <hoLysoup> : yea I only use distance snap
19:24 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:59:069 (1,1) - Make these 2 in the same combo
19:24 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah but the spacing is irregular
19:25 <hoLysoup> : oh I do the different combos on those for the colours
19:25 <hoLysoup> : and well
19:25 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:56:310 (4,1) - Swap new combo
19:25 <hoLysoup> : gaining back the hp
19:25 <Sakura_Hana> : and No, dont do new combo for the colors
19:25 <hoLysoup> : why?
19:25 <hoLysoup> : it also helps regen hp back
19:25 <Sakura_Hana> : it screws up hp calculations if you put too many new combos
19:25 <hoLysoup> : but it's only at that part
19:26 <hoLysoup> : I don't do it anywhere else
19:26 <Sakura_Hana> : if you need to regain hp back, then your hp drain is too high, otherwise players need to be good enough
19:26 <Sakura_Hana> : to not need that healing
19:26 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:03:207 (6,7,1) - put the new combo on (6) instead.
19:27 <Sakura_Hana> : now here's what i mean by irregular spacing
19:27 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:04:586 (1,2,3,4) - These notes here are 1/2 apart in the timeline
19:27 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:05:793 (1,2,3,4) - These one here are 1/2 apart too but are spaced wider
19:27 <Sakura_Hana> : (6) to (1) is a jump so that one is ok
19:28 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:07:345 (1,2,3,4,5) - and here spacing decreases, however not like the 1st one although it's the same
19:28 <Sakura_Hana> : pattern
19:28 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:08:207 (6,7) - Spacing decreases here again
19:29 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:08:551 (7,8) - and increases here again
19:29 <Sakura_Hana> : see what i mean by irregular spacing XD
19:29 <hoLysoup> : can I just leave that?
19:29 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:10:448 (1,2,3,4,5) - I dont mind this one since it's harder to make these sliders pretty without that
19:29 <Sakura_Hana> : distance
19:29 <hoLysoup> : please?
19:30 <Sakura_Hana> : the 1st incrase, i dont see a reason why not leave that, but the 2nd one is just awkward
19:30 <Sakura_Hana> : actually just increase the spacing here 01:04:586 (1,2,3,4,5) -
19:30 <Sakura_Hana> : by about 1 grid between each note
19:31 <Sakura_Hana> : to make it consistent with the next section
19:31 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:08:551 (7) - Move this one 1 grid up and 1 grid left to fix the spacing inconsistence here between 6,7
19:31 <Sakura_Hana> : and 7,8
19:32 <hoLysoup> : k
19:33 <Sakura_Hana> : can you update what you have so far?
19:33 <hoLysoup> : ]all the fixes you mentioned cept the combos
19:33 <hoLysoup> :
19:33 <Sakura_Hana> : i mean standard submit so i can see the changes myself
19:33 <hoLysoup> : oh yea that reminds me
19:33 <hoLysoup> : what's the difference
19:33 <hoLysoup> : between standard and full?
19:34 <Sakura_Hana> : Full submit submits all files in the folder
19:34 <hoLysoup> : submit
19:34 <Sakura_Hana> : Standard Submit only submits the .osu files
19:34 <Sakura_Hana> : a.k.a the diffs
19:34 <hoLysoup> : ...
19:34 <hoLysoup> : ..guess i've been wasting my time all this time..
19:34 <hoLysoup> : anyway
19:34 <hoLysoup> : now I know
19:35 <Sakura_Hana> : standard is only needed when you change things like mp3 or storyboard
19:35 <hoLysoup> : you mean full?
19:35 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah i mean full
19:35 <Sakura_Hana> : woops XD
19:35 <Sakura_Hana> : but standard is when you only change notes and stuff
19:35 <hoLysoup> : k it's done
19:35 <Sakura_Hana> : since .osu files are small it takes way less time
19:36 <Sakura_Hana> : oh yeah no wonder this was looking weird... however i need to ask a BAT something, lemme check
19:36 <Sakura_Hana> : something
19:36 <hoLysoup> : huh?
19:36 <hoLysoup> : kk..
19:37 <hoLysoup> : I have no clue what you just said really meant LOl
19:37 <Sakura_Hana> : no there's just something i need to ask coz im not sure about the rankability of something
19:37 <hoLysoup> :
19:38 <Sakura_Hana> : there's another spacing incoherence here 00:08:896 (1,2,3,4) - with 00:16:483 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - here too
19:38 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:16:483 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - reposting for it to relink lol
19:39 <Sakura_Hana> : see how in the 1st example the 1/2s are closer than in the 2nd one?
19:39 <Sakura_Hana> : that is just confusing, you need to either space out the 1st more or space the 2nd less
19:40 <hoLysoup> : done
19:42 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:22:517 (4) - I dont see what this slider is supposed to be following as the combo itself seems to be
19:42 <Sakura_Hana> : following the vocals, i recommend you remove this slider and put a note in it's place instead in the
19:42 <Sakura_Hana> : middle of the triangular jumps
19:42 <Sakura_Hana> : also these jumps could be spaced out a bit more
19:43 <hoLysoup> : that (4) is more
19:43 <hoLysoup> : smooth I guess?
19:43 <hoLysoup> : when I leave it as a small slider
19:43 <hoLysoup> : and it adds to the fun of insane
19:44 <Sakura_Hana> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/69245 how does this option look to you
19:44 <Sakura_Hana> : still could be a little bit better i guess but w/e i wasnt trying enough for symmetry
19:44 <hoLysoup> : yea cuase it's too fast at that time
19:44 <hoLysoup> : so I decided to leave it like that
19:45 <hoLysoup> : also small slider sounds better
19:45 <Sakura_Hana> : hmmm ok
19:46 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:23:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing is completely irregular in this combo, (space out 2,3 more)
19:46 <Sakura_Hana> : and brb
19:48 <Sakura_Hana> : ok im back
19:48 <hoLysoup> : done
19:48 <hoLysoup> : dinner?
19:48 <hoLysoup> : have a nice dinner
19:49 <Sakura_Hana> : aditionally 00:24:414 (5,6) - space these 2 more, see these are spaced 1/2 away on the timeline but
19:49 <Sakura_Hana> : they are almost the same on the playfield?
19:49 <Sakura_Hana> : i mean 1/1 away on the timeline
19:49 <Sakura_Hana> : while the rest is 1/2
19:49 <hoLysoup> : yea fixed as well
19:49 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:25:620 (1,2,3,4,5) - Awkward position for a jump
19:50 <Sakura_Hana> : you shouldnt have a problem jumping from (6) to (1) since that's a good jump spot
19:50 <Sakura_Hana> : however
19:50 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:25:965 (3,4) - This jump is really unintuitive
19:50 <hoLysoup> : fixed
19:51 <Sakura_Hana> : ok update for now and i'll see how's it going
19:51 <Sakura_Hana> : and by that i mean submit of course
19:51 <hoLysoup> : done
19:52 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:23:551 (2,3) - You spaced these too much now D:
19:52 <hoLysoup> : yea
19:52 <hoLysoup> : that was
19:52 <hoLysoup> : intended
19:52 <hoLysoup> : :O
19:53 <Sakura_Hana> : oh yeah, more like 6 is still too close
19:53 <hoLysoup> : which 6?
19:53 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:24:414 (5,6) -
19:53 <hoLysoup> : still too close?
19:53 <hoLysoup> : I think it's fine
19:53 <Sakura_Hana> : i mean, this spacing is X_X
19:53 <hoLysoup> : consider this is a high bpm song
19:54 <Sakura_Hana> : you know, just turn on distance snap and space those notes with that on
19:55 <Sakura_Hana> : oh wait nvm i confused myself orz, it's (4,5) slightly too close to 3
19:55 <Sakura_Hana> : and i still see 00:25:965 (3,4) - jumping?
19:56 <hoLysoup> : I've shortened it to make
19:56 <Sakura_Hana> : problem is that it's not a good spot for a jump
19:56 <hoLysoup> : 3,4 the same distance as 5, `
19:56 <hoLysoup> : 1
19:56 <hoLysoup> : k FINE i'll shorten it more
19:57 <Sakura_Hana> : normally that's fine, however, you should keep the same distance as the previous combo
19:57 <Sakura_Hana> : and 5,1 can be a jump
19:57 <hoLysoup> : yea it's not :O
19:57 <Sakura_Hana> : actually nvm that isnt a good jump spot
19:57 <Sakura_Hana> : XD
19:58 <Sakura_Hana> : the jumps afterwards are ok tho
19:58 <Sakura_Hana> : also 00:27:172 (3) - new combo here since these are jumps due to vocal accents
19:59 <Sakura_Hana> : in fact you vould space them further if you wanted
19:59 <Sakura_Hana> : they are good excuses for jumps
19:59 <hoLysoup> : uuploaded
20:00 <Sakura_Hana> : why do you insist on jumping here 00:25:965 (3,4)
20:00 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:25:965 (3,4) - i mean
20:00 <hoLysoup> : LOL does that even count as a jump?
20:01 <hoLysoup> : with that small distance?
20:01 <hoLysoup> : I'm sure high level players don't even see that as a jump
20:01 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah, you see the player's clicking on 1,2,3
20:01 <Sakura_Hana> : the song itself isnt changing why would he need to jump to click on 4
20:01 <Sakura_Hana> : also i think 5 should be new combo
20:02 <hoLysoup> : k fine I'll most them closer
20:02 <hoLysoup> : does that warm your heart?
20:02 <Sakura_Hana> : you dont get what i mean yet XD
20:02 <Sakura_Hana> : put (4) on the same stack as 1,2,3
20:02 <Sakura_Hana> : that's what i mean :V
20:02 <hoLysoup> : oh
20:02 <hoLysoup> : why didn't you just say so LOL
20:03 <hoLysoup> : even then
20:03 <Sakura_Hana> : oh wait nvm
20:03 <hoLysoup> : that wouldn't be fun
20:03 <Sakura_Hana> : that makes even less sense, so let's leave it as is, since you dont seem to want to decrease the spacing
20:03 <Sakura_Hana> : in either case i think 4 would need to be NC (that means new combo)
20:03 <hoLysoup> : naw that's too short of a combo
20:03 <hoLysoup> : :/ imo
20:04 <hoLysoup> : + the triangular jump right after is a new combo
20:04 <Sakura_Hana> : vocal pattern raises pitch, imo that's hint enough a NC should be there
20:04 <hoLysoup> : so it's alright
20:04 <Sakura_Hana> : if you want a long combo remove 00:25:621 (1) - this new combo XD
20:05 <hoLysoup> : nah it's ok
20:05 <Sakura_Hana> : that does make more sense
20:05 <Sakura_Hana> : hmm ok
20:05 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:29:069 (3,4,5) - Space these 3 out a bit more (move 6 as well so it doesnt unstack from (5) i think 1
20:05 <Sakura_Hana> : grid more spacing between each should suffice
20:06 <Sakura_Hana> : or not, gah i dont even know what im seeing anymore weeee
20:06 <hoLysoup> : kk
20:06 <hoLysoup> : it's ai
20:06 <hoLysoup> : you prolly didn't sleep well did you
20:06 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:30:965 (3) - Select this and press ctrl+r
20:07 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:31:483 (4) - New combo to hint this jump pattern
20:07 <hoLysoup> : sure why not
20:08 <Sakura_Hana> : compare the spacing 00:33:379 (4,5,6) - here with
20:08 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:34:241 (1,2,3) - here (mainly 1,2)
20:09 <Sakura_Hana> : a.k.a move 2 closer to 1 without losing the spacing towards 3
20:09 <hoLysoup> : yea just say it directly next time
20:09 <hoLysoup> : it's clearer
20:09 <hoLysoup> :
20:10 <Sakura_Hana> : nah im saying it like that so u get used to what people will usually tell you when they dont explain things
20:10 <Sakura_Hana> : most of the time they will say "spacing"
20:11 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:35:103 (5,6,7,8) - not stacked properly, to fix highlight 6,7,8 and then hold Alt and go to the top right
20:11 <Sakura_Hana> : where it says "Distance spacing" and move the bar the left so that it says 0.0x then disable grid snap
20:11 <Sakura_Hana> : and enable distance snap and move them and they'll automatically stack at the slider end
20:12 <Sakura_Hana> : it's a little trick i learned to stack notes to slider ends since slider ends are usually not snapped to the
20:12 <Sakura_Hana> : grid
20:13 <hoLysoup> : k
20:13 <hoLysoup> : done
20:13 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:35:965 (1,2,3,4) - Move these 2 grids to the left to fix spacing
20:14 <hoLysoup> : done
20:14 <Sakura_Hana> : k upload what you have for now
20:15 <hoLysoup> : donedone
20:16 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:39:758 (5,1) - Switch new combo, because the new vocal sentence starts on 5 not 1
20:17 <hoLysoup> : done
20:17 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:41:827 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is a pretty slow section of the song which doesnt justify these jumps,
20:17 <Sakura_Hana> : they are even larger than the ones in kiai that i mentioned earlier, i recommend you reduce the distance
20:17 <Sakura_Hana> : between 1,2,3,4,5
20:19 <hoLysoup> : it's more entertaining that way
20:19 <Sakura_Hana> : "more entertaining" =/= "makes more sense" tho
20:19 <Sakura_Hana> : remember a map must be made with the song in mind
20:19 <hoLysoup> : yea but it wouldn't be insane or anything challenging if everything followed logic
20:20 <Sakura_Hana> : there are other ways to make your map challenging AND make sense with the song
20:20 <hoLysoup> : yea true
20:20 <hoLysoup> : but I think that flower's fine
20:20 <Sakura_Hana> : but as i said, this section feels softer/slower
20:20 <Sakura_Hana> : would make more sense for the spacing to be actually shorter
20:21 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:49:241 (1,2,3) - These jumps are fine tho
20:21 <hoLysoup> : true, but I'd like to leave it that way
20:21 <Sakura_Hana> : hmmm ok but dont complain if other modders tell you to reduce the spacing
20:21 <hoLysoup> : kk
20:22 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:50:103 (4) - New combo
20:22 <Sakura_Hana> : i hope i dont need to explain why XD
20:22 <hoLysoup> : sure
20:22 <hoLysoup> : why not
20:23 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:55:276 (1,2) - Switch new combo (that means make 2 the new combo and remove new combo from
20:23 <Sakura_Hana> : 1)
20:23 <hoLysoup> : done
20:25 <Sakura_Hana> : 00:55:620 (2,3,4) - Spacing is irregular, however (4)'s position cant be moved for the sake of symmetry i
20:25 <Sakura_Hana> : recommend you instead put (3) on the other side and position it so that the spacing between 2,3 is the
20:25 <Sakura_Hana> : same as 3,4 (might be 1,2 and 2,3 for you since you should have changed combos)
20:26 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:01:827 (4,5,6,7,1) - Put all these in their own combo
20:27 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:04:586 - Resnap kiai
20:27 <Sakura_Hana> : by that i mean go to the timing section that starts this kiai, while positioned in here and select "Use
20:27 <Sakura_Hana> : current time"
20:28 <hoLysoup> : does it really make a difference if kiai isn't on the tick?
20:28 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah, because of the star fountain
20:28 <Sakura_Hana> : star fountain starts on the green line, not on the 1st tick it sees
20:28 <hoLysoup> : wait huh?
20:28 <hoLysoup> : what's star fountain?
20:28 <Sakura_Hana> : it needs to start exactly on the tick, coz otherwise it would look weird that kiai starts before you hit the
20:28 <Sakura_Hana> : note
20:29 <Sakura_Hana> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/69251 look at both sides
20:29 <Sakura_Hana> : that's the star fountains
20:29 <Sakura_Hana> : brb again, while i do that, you should probably resnap all kiai start/ends
20:32 <Sakura_Hana> : ok im back
20:32 <Sakura_Hana> : so how is it going did you resnap all kiai?
20:33 <hoLysoup> : so tell me why I don't see a star fountain...?
20:33 <Sakura_Hana> : i dont know?
20:34 <Sakura_Hana> : star fountains are supposed to show up, not sure if low end pcs dont get them or what
20:34 <hoLysoup> : LOL naw don't worry it's not my pc sucks for sure
20:34 <hoLysoup> : I just don't see the fountains
20:34 <hoLysoup> : acutally
20:34 <hoLysoup> : I've never even seen them
20:35 <hoLysoup> : cept when I load up osu! on the main page
20:35 <Sakura_Hana> : it must be something on the options lol
20:35 <Sakura_Hana> : those are star fountains too
20:35 <hoLysoup> : that's why i didn't know what you were talking about
20:35 <hoLysoup> : oh and yea
20:35 <hoLysoup> : i fixed the kiais
20:35 <Sakura_Hana> : ok update imma recheck up until that spot
20:37 <hoLysoup> : omg this is very unfortunate
20:37 <Sakura_Hana> : ?
20:37 <hoLysoup> : I've never had star fountain
20:37 <hoLysoup> : now I feel left out
20:37 <hoLysoup> : all I get is flashing sliders
20:37 <hoLysoup> : and beats
20:37 <Sakura_Hana> : its probably something on the options
20:37 <Sakura_Hana> : my osu!'s all flashy like and stuff anyways
20:37 <hoLysoup> : or maybe it's the skiN..................
20:37 <hoLysoup> : No.
20:38 <hoLysoup> : this.
20:38 <Sakura_Hana> : no it cant be the skin, otherwise i wouldnt see them either
20:38 <hoLysoup> : anyway go on
20:38 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah did you upload?
20:38 <hoLysoup> : yea
20:40 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:09:069 (1,2) - Include these 2 in the previous combo, might want to reverse them too
20:40 <Sakura_Hana> : nah, no need to reverse, but yeah include them in the previous combo
20:41 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:14:069 (6) - New combo
20:41 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:19:069 (1,2) - Switch new combo
20:41 <hoLysoup> : done done
20:42 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:20:620 (1) - Remove new combo
20:42 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:25:793 (1,2) - Switch new combo
20:43 <Sakura_Hana> : as for those 3 notes, they would fit better as jumps
20:43 <hoLysoup> : done
20:44 <Sakura_Hana> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/69255 How does this jump formation for those 3 notes looks to you
20:44 <hoLysoup> : actually i did a flip triangle
20:45 <hoLysoup> : so yea done
20:45 <Sakura_Hana> : well basically all i did was put the 1st note somewhat close but lower down from the last combo, then
20:45 <Sakura_Hana> : the other up in the middle and the 3rd was a mirror of 1
20:45 <hoLysoup> : btw how do you take these temporary screenshots?
20:45 <Sakura_Hana> : but sure ok, update so i see how's it going
20:45 <Sakura_Hana> : shift+f12
20:45 <hoLysoup> : and it gets posted as well?
20:45 <Sakura_Hana> : yeah it automatically opens in the browser
20:46 <hoLysoup> : this game owns.
20:46 <hoLysoup> : done
20:47 <hoLysoup> : then how did you take those cut off ones where you're only showing somethign specific?
20:47 <Sakura_Hana> : those are with a program called puush created by peppy as well
20:48 <Sakura_Hana> : anyways 01:26:310 (2,3) - ctrl+r as it doesnt make much sense for 1,2 to be longer than 2,3
20:49 <hoLysoup> : k i made them equal i think
20:49 <Sakura_Hana> : with ctrl+r they should be equal
20:50 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:37:517 (7,1) - Switch new combo
20:51 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:49:586 (1) - Remove new combo
20:51 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:50:276 (3) - New combo here isntead
20:51 <hoLysoup> : k
20:51 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:52:689 (6) - New combo
20:52 <Sakura_Hana> : 01:57:000 (5) - New combo
20:52 <Sakura_Hana> : 02:13:551 (2,3,4,5,1) - I assume you were trying to go for a star formation here?
20:53 <hoLysoup> : yes.
20:53 <hoLysoup> : it's not well made.
20:53 <Sakura_Hana> : If so move 3, 1 grid to the right because it looks odd
20:53 <hoLysoup> : I realized that.
20:53 <hoLysoup> : done
20:54 <Sakura_Hana> : also try to move 2 and 4 1 grid away from the middle each
20:54 <Sakura_Hana> : when you're doing star formations, you should use the grid to your advantage
20:55 <hoLysoup> : I'm just bad at drawing odd number shaped things
20:55 <hoLysoup> : anyway
20:55 <hoLysoup> : done
20:56 <Sakura_Hana> : http://puu.sh/1jIv See for example how i increased grid Level to make it easier to count, and then i
20:56 <Sakura_Hana> : centered the notes so that i could use the grid's central lines to center the star formation?
20:56 <Sakura_Hana> : *or decreased grid level i mean*
20:57 <Sakura_Hana> : try positioning them like that, after you're doing aligning them correctly you can go back to grid Level 4,
20:57 <Sakura_Hana> : select all notes and put them back
20:57 <hoLysoup> : I uploaded what I got
20:57 <hoLysoup> : check it
20:57 <hoLysoup> : out
20:57 <Sakura_Hana> : ok
20:58 <Sakura_Hana> : looks better indeed i can go with that
21:00 <Sakura_Hana> : 02:40:276 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is very confusing to sight read, i recommend you even these stacks
21:00 <Sakura_Hana> : as in either make them jump back and forth or just stack first half on the first stack and the 2nd half on
21:00 <Sakura_Hana> : the 2nd stack
21:01 <hoLysoup> : yup
21:01 <hoLysoup> : that's intentional
21:01 <Sakura_Hana> : intentional or not, that is making the map confusing for no reason
21:01 <Sakura_Hana> : specially with that approach rate is annoying to read
21:01 <Sakura_Hana> : speaking of approach rates, i think AR+1 would be nice
21:02 <hoLysoup> : it's ok i'm leaving it like that cuase it's more challenging
21:02 <hoLysoup> : and isn't the AR fast enough?
21:02 <hoLysoup> : I think it is
21:02 <Sakura_Hana> : you have 7, i think 8 is better
21:02 <hoLysoup> : mine's on 8....
21:03 <hoLysoup> : :O?
21:03 <Sakura_Hana> : oh wait woops, i saw OD slider not AR
21:03 <Sakura_Hana> : XD my bad
21:03 <hoLysoup> : cool tings
21:03 <Sakura_Hana> : ok nvm AR 9 may be too much for certain people >_>
21:03 <hoLysoup> : yup
21:03 *Sakura_Hana still wants to smack ztrot for making CDFA change AR9 > 8 on his map
21:04 <Sakura_Hana> : anyways
21:04 <hoLysoup> : how do you do that?
21:04 <hoLysoup> : * thing
21:04 <Sakura_Hana> : that's with /me
21:04 *hoLysoup using sri racha on ice cream
21:04 <hoLysoup> : cool
21:04 <Sakura_Hana> : anyways
21:05 <Sakura_Hana> : i still think you should change those jumps but i'll leave that to the following modders then
21:05 <Sakura_Hana> : 02:45:965 (1,2,3) - Copy paste your map from the end of the last kiai and flip it horizontally
21:05 <Sakura_Hana> : *your part
21:05 <Sakura_Hana> : gosh me and my typos
21:06 <hoLysoup> : wait I dont' understand what you mean
21:06 <hoLysoup> : oh wait
21:06 <hoLysoup> : I understand
21:06 <hoLysoup> : k
21:06 <hoLysoup> : just update
21:06 <hoLysoup> : I've already changed it that's why
21:07 <Sakura_Hana> : 02:46:655 ~ 03:03:207 This break is too long imo =/ but if you dont think you an shorten it you can
21:07 <Sakura_Hana> : leave it
21:07 <hoLysoup> : yea.. I'm not gonna shorten it cause during the break there's nothing interesting to map to
21:08 <hoLysoup> : + no good image can go there anyway
21:08 <Sakura_Hana> : 03:03:207 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - i recommend you unstack these and make some patterns with this coz they
21:08 <Sakura_Hana> : look awfully bad stacked
21:09 <hoLysoup> : btw
21:09 <hoLysoup> : when you play that part you just mentioned
21:09 <Sakura_Hana> : http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/69261 see
21:09 <hoLysoup> : are they stacked properly?
21:09 <hoLysoup> : I thought so
21:09 <hoLysoup> : however in the editor they are stacked perfectly
21:09 <hoLysoup> : this is creepy
21:09 <Sakura_Hana> : that's what stacking leniency does
21:10 <Sakura_Hana> : the reason the other notes appear above the slider end it's because slider end doesnt count to stack,
21:10 <Sakura_Hana> : only slider start
21:10 <Sakura_Hana> : 03:04:069 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - Move these 2 grids down and 2 grids right
21:11 <Sakura_Hana> : then watch it in play mode again
21:11 <Sakura_Hana> : magic!
21:12 <hoLysoup> : anyway, think you're right
21:12 <hoLysoup> : update
21:12 <Sakura_Hana> : k
21:12 <hoLysoup> : I just made a new pattern
21:12 <hoLysoup> : forget about the old one
21:14 <Sakura_Hana> : hmm new problem http://puu.sh/1jJ9
21:14 <Sakura_Hana> : you can only use 3 slider speeds across all map
21:14 <hoLysoup> :
21:14 <hoLysoup> : I knew this was gonna happen
21:15 <hoLysoup> : I mean I already knew that I had 4
21:15 <hoLysoup> : but I's hoping it'll be acceptable cause it's for like 5 seconds
21:15 <Sakura_Hana> : no it's not right
21:15 <hoLysoup> : huh?
21:15 <hoLysoup> : LOL
21:16 <Sakura_Hana> : even if it's for like 5 seconds
21:16 <Sakura_Hana> : the part you're using 0.5x feels faster than the sections were you use 0.75x
21:18 <Sakura_Hana> : 03:50:103 (1) - Dont see the reason for this slider to be wiggly?
21:18 <Sakura_Hana> : 03:52:689 (4) - New combo
21:18 <Sakura_Hana> : 03:53:551 (1,2) - Switch new combo
21:19 <hoLysoup> : anyway
21:19 <hoLysoup> : reup
21:19 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:03:896 (6,1) - Weird anti-jump
21:19 <Sakura_Hana> : ok *me updates*
21:20 <Sakura_Hana> : i still see the wiggly slider and the combos i just mentioned arent fixed yet XD
21:21 <hoLysoup> : oh yea
21:21 <hoLysoup> : the wiggly is
21:21 <hoLysoup> : well
21:21 <hoLysoup> : wigglly
21:21 <hoLysoup> : and awesome
21:21 <hoLysoup> : and new combo
21:21 <hoLysoup> : ...
21:21 <hoLysoup> : sure
21:21 <Sakura_Hana> : can you justify the wiggly slider other than it being wiggly and awesome?
21:21 <Sakura_Hana> : if you cant then you're doing it wrong
21:22 <hoLysoup> : why can't it be I just want to?
21:23 <Sakura_Hana> : because maps must be made with the song in mind? XD
21:23 <hoLysoup> : yea
21:23 <hoLysoup> : it's cool to have that kinda
21:23 <hoLysoup> : beat
21:23 <hoLysoup> : at that point
21:23 <Sakura_Hana> : wiggly sliders usually coz there's a bzzz or something shaking the pitch in the song
21:23 <hoLysoup> : k that's going preference
21:24 <Sakura_Hana> : lol ok w/e, new mappers are usually stubborn anyways *me continues*
21:24 <hoLysoup> :
21:24 <Sakura_Hana> : i know coz i was like that too
21:24 <Sakura_Hana> : mostly for being lazy to map something different
21:25 <hoLysoup> : but you know me well enough that i'm not lazy
21:25 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:03:896 (6,1) - Soooooo what are you gonna do with this anti-jump
21:25 <hoLysoup> : I usually reply all my mod threads instantly when I'm able
21:25 <hoLysoup> : what's an antijump
21:25 <hoLysoup> : btw
21:25 <Sakura_Hana> : the opposite of a jump
21:25 <hoLysoup> : so the distance stays the same
21:25 <hoLysoup> : ?
21:25 <Sakura_Hana> : (6,1) is spaced the same as (5,6)
21:25 <Sakura_Hana> : but in the timeline (1) is waaaay farther
21:26 <Sakura_Hana> : anti-jumps are way harder to read than jumps
21:27 <hoLysoup> : sure... I don't really mind it anyway
21:27 <hoLysoup> : but
21:27 <hoLysoup> : update
21:29 <Sakura_Hana> : that looks better yeah
21:29 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:11:655 (3,4,5) - reduce spacing
21:30 <hoLysoup> : done
21:31 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:13:896 (1,2,3) - Reduce spacing as well
21:31 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:15:793 (4) - 2 grids left (spacing is inconsistent here)
21:32 <Sakura_Hana> : actually make that 3 grids
21:32 <hoLysoup> : done
21:32 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:16:655 (3) - 1 or 2 grids to the right for spacing as well
21:33 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:27:345 (1,2,3) - use the 0.0x grid snap off, distance snap on trick to stack these
21:33 <Sakura_Hana> : 04:30:793 (2,3,4) - Space these the same as the previous triple
21:34 <Sakura_Hana> : mostly for consistence tho
21:34 <Sakura_Hana> : once you finish these update again
21:35 <hoLysoup> : done
21:39 <hoLysoup> : is it alright?
21:39 <hoLysoup> : if it is shall we call it a day?
21:39 <hoLysoup> :
21:39 <hoLysoup> : so I can go eat something
21:40 <Sakura_Hana> : that's it for [Insane] i still need to check the other diffs
21:41 <hoLysoup> : dayum... must be hard on you MATs
21:42 <hoLysoup> : you can check them tmr if you want
21:42 <hoLysoup> : or need a break
21:42 <Sakura_Hana> : ok im going to post this chatlog for now so people know what i modded

Nymph_ wrote:

Hi~ Nymph_here~ and here are my little suggestions.


General:

Fixed the timing line, some of them goes off.
[color=#000000]Uh by going off, do you mean they're not snapped onto the white ticks?? :O

Normal:
00:23:206 (1) - change to default soft whistle? Sure
01:00:448 (1) - add finish on this spinner? sure
01:37:689 (1) - 01:43:207 (1) - just the same. I don't think custom hitsound whistle on these 2 notes is a good idea.The default soft whistle is better. Sure I switched them to finish actually. You're right
02:23:206 (1) - whistle on this spinner. Sure
02:38:379 (1) - also whistle on this spinner? Sure
03:29:413 (1) - finish is better than whistle I think. just suggestion Yes that's true!
03:56:655 (1) - add whistle Done!

Hard:

wow.. here is just suggestion.I can't really understand these hitsounds. yeah I didn't mean they were in wrong place..
but I am really disagree with the hitsounds volumn of this map. Oh... ma bad.

well..so here are examples: 00:17:000 (1) - about these notes I really think they were too loud and if I do it, I may turn down the volumn or just use default soft hitsounds. Yea you're right, I'll lower the volume thanks!

then..here 00:20:448 (1) - because you are using hitnormal on the following 3 notes.(yeah the custom soft-whistle just like hitnormal isn't it?) then I think 00:22:517 (4) - 00:22:862 (5) - and 00:23:034 (6) - should be hitnormal too..I feel really surprised for this place is so quiet... Oh.. true.. k fixed

but, these are just suggestions.. because everyone has a different idea about hitsounds, it is just personal stuff, it depends, right?
you may try my idea and see if you feel better,and then decide.I can't mod it in details...because it will become my idea of hitsounds, not yours, if I do so...[/color] No worries I'm horrid at hitsounds. Thanks for mod

So, that is all! I didn't feel uncomfortable for the mapset , so I think in my opinion I have nothing to complain about it.And nice skin and storyboard! I just love it~thank yoU!

star~(PS:hope you can understand what I said..because of my poor English..

Tenshi-nyan wrote:

heya,
hellO!
General
Make sure the Kiai times are snapped correctly on ALL diffs. oops my bad thanks

Insane
00:22:517 (4) - remove the middle point? or at least make it look better.. Mm... sure, I made it flatter if that's what you mean by better.
00:45:276 (2) - the repeat doesn't quite fit here, make it like this

SPOILER

Sure, Good goin
00:53:724 (2) - stack on 00:53:896 (3) - ? Nah it's good like that
01:18:896 (2,4,5) - all of them 1 grid down Done.
01:19:069 (3) - 2 grids down Done.
01:46:827 (5,6) - would look better if it's a little bit higher up. yup, Done.
01:48:034 (1,2,3,4,5) - ._. I HATE those streams. I love them one great usage of them is OUR Magic mapped by DJPop
02:39:069 (3) - 1 grid down DOne.
03:50:103 (1) - doesn't fit. make it like this?

SPOILER

mmm fine. Sure

Hard
The hitsounds here vary a LOT from the Insane. Can you make them about the same? This is very important for me, as I am very picky about hitsounds :< LOL... ok. I've changed them to the same style.

01:18:379 (1) - stacking yup...

Normal
The spacing in here is very inconsistent. In a bad way, it's way too confusing, especially for an un-experinced player. Make sure it's somewhat about the same throughout the map. I think you HAVE to fix this, this Normal's unrankable in my eyes.
Alright... I've shortened the distance and made the whole Normal Diff have constant spacing. Thank you.

And the stuff about the hitsounds again. I know it's a Normal so you don't have as many objects, but try to keep it the same.
Yeah... it's harder to do than Hard Diff, I've tried to equalize it :/

00:14:931 (1) - end on 00:16:138 - Done.
01:21:138 (1) - move 1/2 beat back Done.
01:22:517 (1) - ^ Done
01:23:896 (4) - ^ + add NC What's... NC?
01:24:758 - add note Naw, too many beats concentrated
01:24:931 - ^ ^
01:42:172 (2) - now this is VERY bad spacing. Fixed.
01:52:862 (4) - start at 01:52:689 - and make it like this

SPOILER

Done.
04:08:034 (2) - move 1/2 beat back and fix hitsounds + spacing Done.

Won't star because of the Normal, but nice work on the Insane.