i found that my E5H_s.wav piano hitsound SOUNDS a bit weird than normal E5 XD
can u make a replacement or do something bout it?
i can clearly heard that its quite annoying here since 01:33:642 - the pitch of E5H_s
somehow sounds weird XD

last problem is... "happens only when without mp3, just keysound"
00:06:857 - the 3 grace note here, A5H > C#6H > A6H , somehow make some FAST and short broken sound on my headphone when 3 of them plays, not noticeable with the song playing thou....
this sometimes happens, to all of other grace note as well.

LordRaika wrote:

Thanks for the check and reply...

oh okay then i guess its not a problem for the first case, and i see.... for the 2nd one i think i have some idea for that one ^^




and lastly XD errrr...... bms? daw? i dont use any other software to hitsound, i jst use flstudio to make my hitsound one by one and then
i MANUALLY hitsound the note one by one in mania chart XD hehe

but i can make my own midi thou, so umm is there going to be easier way to hitsound using the method u say?? O_O

DraciuZ wrote:

nyari BG? wkwk



trus g bs mod ini, apaan itu smua??
wkwk udh bgus lah, cuma ad part yg gw tak sanggup main

oe, itu jgan lupa buang file tak terpakai oeeee
yang difolder

Blocko wrote:

Raika asked me to post this.

IRC with LordRaika

2015-09-07 22:51 LordRaika: blocko ... can i have 3minute of your time?
2015-09-07 22:51 Blocko: 3 minutes?
2015-09-07 22:51 Blocko: is it mememe
2015-09-07 22:51 LordRaika: no no
2015-09-07 22:51 LordRaika: something else, just a snapping question
2015-09-07 22:51 Blocko: o i thought it was because i saw you modding that song
2015-09-07 22:51 Blocko: so what's up?
2015-09-07 22:52 LordRaika: haha
2015-09-07 22:52 LordRaika: but its not
2015-09-07 22:52 LordRaika: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/671621 Yiruma + Skulle - River Flows in You ( A Love Note )]
2015-09-07 22:52 LordRaika: this one... just a very very very very quick snapping question... pls ^^
2015-09-07 22:53 LordRaika: aaaaaaa i need ijinjin
2015-09-07 22:53 Blocko: dling
2015-09-07 22:53 Blocko: chinchin
2015-09-07 22:53 LordRaika: he's the grace note sensei
2015-09-07 22:53 LordRaika: XD
2015-09-07 22:53 LordRaika: ichinchin then
2015-09-07 22:53 LordRaika: wahaha
2015-09-07 22:54 Blocko: wew
2015-09-07 22:55 Blocko: so which diff?
2015-09-07 22:55 Blocko: are you mapping full spread all keys for this
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: any insane dif
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: so lets get to
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/774997 Yiruma + Skulle - River Flows in You ( A Love Note ) [7K Insane]]
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: YES
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: 4 ~ 9K, total 24dif
2015-09-07 22:55 LordRaika: the question is
2015-09-07 22:56 LordRaika: 00:33:267 (33267|5) - is this perfect?
2015-09-07 22:56 LordRaika: 01:39:267 (99267|5) - ^
2015-09-07 22:56 LordRaika: 02:35:838 (155838|4,155945|5,156106|6) - and finally this
2015-09-07 22:56 LordRaika: thts all
2015-09-07 22:58 Blocko: 00:33:267 (33267|5) - should be at 00:33:285 - 1/12
2015-09-07 22:58 Blocko: 01:39:267 (99267|5) - should be at 01:39:284 - 1/12
2015-09-07 22:58 LordRaika: which 1/12, can u pinpoint the timing?
2015-09-07 22:59 Blocko: 02:35:838 (155838|4,155945|5,156106|6) - this one's fine
2015-09-07 22:59 Blocko: i posted the time sigs along with the snap there didn't i
2015-09-07 23:00 LordRaika: OH
2015-09-07 23:00 LordRaika: yea
2015-09-07 23:00 LordRaika: now chekcing
2015-09-07 23:00 LordRaika: ok
2015-09-07 23:00 LordRaika: blocko can u post this? i really need the mod count on this

If you're really gonna do a full spread all key mapset for this and get this ranked, well, I don't know what I'd do but you'll see.

Good luck!

iJinjin wrote:

irc with raika

12:46 iJinjin: hi raika, just saw your message
12:46 iJinjin: will check right now ^^
12:47 LordRaika: ^^/
12:47 LordRaika: ahhh
12:47 LordRaika: thanksss jin
12:47 LordRaika: i think im in desperate of the snapping , haha...
12:50 iJinjin: yup
12:50 iJinjin: i think they are all 1/8
12:50 iJinjin: ^^
12:50 iJinjin: snapped correctly
12:50 iJinjin: already
12:51 iJinjin: in addition, the entire song is already in 1/8 haha
12:51 LordRaika: i seeeeeeeeeee
12:52 LordRaika: the last 3 grace note is also fine?
12:52 iJinjin: yee
12:52 iJinjin: =w=/
12:52 LordRaika: thanks....
12:52 LordRaika: now i can finished the rest of the dif XD
12:52 iJinjin: XD
12:52 iJinjin: good luck~
12:52 LordRaika: *finish
12:52 LordRaika: tq ^^
12:53 iJinjin: npnpnp

but blocko says otherwise... huehuehue
i still think 1/8 is more fitting ^^

DragonSlayer96 wrote:

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Are you going for rank on this song? If so, I will honestly go and learn how to play mania after this is ranked just so I can play this amazing song.

Eternalie wrote:

Nyaho nii-san :3/

only little suggestion ahah ^^'a

[Beginner]
tested on the 6K diff
00:14:785 (14785|4) - I think if you put thoose note like this beginner will tend to play them as Stair and will probably or fail accu or miss
i'm not really sure but Myself I had a bit of hesitation at that point .
also pitch -chan is happy xD noice desu
[Easy]
00:30:642 (30642|2) - I suggest moving the LNs to next white LN then add a note here instead , I think in that way maybe the flow would be more river
....wait what ? mah i'm sure you got what I mean xD (basically just rythm feeling imo)
[Normal]
01:22:284 (82284|5) - you could add one more note (even tho I know it's intended somehow )

That's about it , I like HDs for the LN patterns , and well you did it again the insane 30 diff mapset
Wish you luck for this one ^^b
hab a noice dway dwesu ^^*/


POST EDIT BUT LOL FUN : Here is a Cover on piano from Super ET kyle guy enjoie~~
~ https://youtu.be/fKc__wszn3o?t=42s

dosyeru wrote:

brief mod for raiika from retired game player
[8K Insane]
01:06:856 - from here how about this?

SPOILER

I suppose this is symmetric 8K charts. if so and if you dislike 7+1K flavor
maybe you may like this

SPOILER

I just noticed this part was off-sync with music.
01:20:570 - same here
just suggestion but how about this?

SPOILER

umm i follow your suggestion ^^b
and dw, i like it 4+4 and 7+1 pattern as well, so people should be able to play it


01:37:713- in storyboard, how about E4S.wav instead of A?
seems this is error since other diffs have E4S.

OMG, i checked, damn, this is a huge error, thanksss
fix for 8k insane and 9k insane.... T^T

thats it for now.
may add something if i find

Verniy_Chan wrote:

Language : English

Hi Raika-sama

Mod Via Exclusive VIP

: Seem Nothing Issue
: Still Questionable
: Unrankable Issue General

■ Mapset


■ Metadata

Skip, since you followed old rank map metadata xD

■ Timing

offset green timing : 00:00:001 - move to 00:00:000 - ?
or delete green timing then red timing sampleset change N to S and volume change 100% to 5%?

■ Audio


Preview time Unsnap, suggest 00:53:892 - or 00:53:784

■ Background


■ Other

Uncheck widescree support for all diff, since you don't have the SB?
well, i know from map creator word; you've SB for this map :3

ok, i will snap all preview, other than that, i dont see any other issue ^^ tq

5K = |1|2|3|4|5|

(Focus : Note Presence , Hand Balance, Variety/Consistency Pattern)

BTW, sry i dont want to change any HD and OD setting, because i really want it this way... ^^

5K Beginner

HP : 6,5
OD : 6,5

02:20:570 (140570|3) - move to 3

02:25:713 (145713|1) - move to 1

ok for both ^^b

5K Easy

HP : 6,5 or 7
OD : 7

00:53:999 (53999|4,54427|4,54642|3) - move to left 1x, or swap HS 00:54:856 (54856|4,54856|0) - xD

Swap HS ^^b tq!!


01:08:142 (68142|1) - volume 36 -> 72%, 01:08:142 (68142|3) - change HS to B3ss_SVS.wav or LR_Hat.wav Synth? variety HS?

i see, but no its fine, hitsounding really takes time but i dont want to it anymore XD haha

01:32:570 (92570|4) - LN better end here 01:33:642 -

Sure~


01:33:642 - add note with E5H_s for consistency ryhtim you followed

nope, supposed to only 3 sound for easier pattern


01:58:070 (118070|4) - move to 3 or 4?

hmm.. but the pitch has a bit trill so i want to keep the shape like that

02:20:142 -
02:35:945 (155945|1) - remove?
02:40:713 (160713|4) - move to 1 or 2, avoid pitch 02:41:142 (161142|4) -

sry, no to all ^^

5K Normal

HP : 7
OD : 7 or 7,5

00:06:803 (6803|3) - too hard for Normal diff use 1/8 snap, IMO remove & add note 1/4 snap here 00:06:750 - A5H
00:13:660 (13660|3) - same reason, and other note with similiar like this
00:17:089 (17089|3) - remove, add 00:16:928 - or other opinion (if you not aply) here 00:17:089 (17089|3) - move to 2
i see, but i no, i want to introduce the easiest grace note version here...

01:21:856 (81856|4) - better move to 2
01:22:284 - add note? loud here (small cimbal or hit hat synth maybe)
nope, and the last one always ends with only 1 note ^^


02:05:570 (125570|3) - move to 5 or 02:05:570 (125570|1) - move to 1 for variety and avoid same pattern like 02:06:427 - for diffirent pitch maybe
i rearrange some pattern nearby

5K Hard

Sry, no change for hard...
i got your point for variety ^^b its good
but i want left and right hand have a different and specific focus...
so no thx

5K Insane

HP : 8
OD : 8

00:45:427 (45427|3) - move to 5, avoid 3 low jack :3
well, this is insane after all XD it has a pattern so i wont change it

01:22:284 - loud sounds here ;w;
same reason, haha, i only use 1 here

02:42:856 (162856|1,163284|0) - change into LN, pattern like 02:35:999 (155999|0,156427|1,156856|2) -
nope, its near the end and i was planning to reduce from LN into less LN then no LN
tq anyway ^^b

Verniy_Chan wrote:

My Rating

95

(1-100)

please ignore it, just for fun only

Thanks for requesting
Хорошо~ Good Luck..

Shionia-Chan wrote:

Raika-cama

wwwww




and 8k

01:00:856 -
01:11:142 -
01:19:713 -
02:02:570 -
02:12:856 -

1. .osb + particle.png. Just drop it in your beatmap folder
2. Enable widescreen support

puxtu wrote:

00:16:928 (16928|2,17035|2) - no
00:30:642 (30642|2,30750|2) - stop
01:28:927 (88927|2,89034|2) - raika pls
01:32:570 (92570|3,92570|0) - why are you keep doing this

err puxtu... idk how do i reply that XD haha
ehm first, its insane, and im supposed not to hold back anything...
and its not like its going to kill you >w< , lastly YOU ALREADY know how to LN that, so enjoy it!!!


and the rest is super fun. pls do not touch them. btw it's 4K insane.
and I just found this on fb
don't forget my kudosu.

XinCrin wrote:

I was a bit bored and I found this awesome
I've added some particles to the SB, use it if you want :p

1. .osb + particle.png. Just drop it in your beatmap folder
2. Enable widescreen support

[ C r a c k ] wrote:

Hi Raika ! ^^/
Here as your request in chat



Yeah, fixed for 5K easy stacked object...
oh god! how could i miss this thingy? >_< thx so much

for the AiMod warning, its dumb as puck XD
why only 6 - 9k? AND WHY its telling me more than 6 simult note while i dont even put MORE than 2 note on every diff every key on beginning
and i dont even ... aaaaaaa XD

for HP, hmm nope, i want it to be easy phase as well... i found it surprising that ... :
i have a friend that never play mania, and try it after beginner level a couple of times,
and easy seems to be hard in their level XD even after they get used to beginner level.


Columns: |1|2|3|4|5|6|7|

7K Insane

SPOILER

1. 00:15:428 (15428|0) - Just an idea: what do you think to extend that LN up to 00:16:285 - ? (For me it's very cool & will make diff more hard ? Maybe)
2. 00:16:285 (16285|2) - Like up, extend up to 00:17:142 -
3. 00:27:428 - Damn, here there is something like my suggestion up xD. So, do you want to exend the for more consistency ?
   
   Thx for this concern ^^b nice notice but i did it on purpose,
   to leave it more easy at the beginning and make it a bit unpredictable, (just a tiny bit) XD
   
   
   
4. 01:09:856 - Little change https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3799131
   In this way you have a trill at 01:09:642 - & a sort of minijack at 01:11:142 - (where there is the same piano sound at 01:11:356 (71356|5) - )
   
   hmm its very nice, but i have enough jack and trill for this XD hehe, sry
   
5. 01:28:927 - There is a different position here compared to the other. (For example at 00:30:642 - & for another example in"8k Insane" there are no different position here)
   
   for variation purpose for each key hehe
   
   
   
6. 01:53:999 - At real, I don't really like these three repetive notes on 345, fast suggestion is to move 01:53:570 (113570|3) - to 1
   
   
   Nice ^^b
   
   
7. 01:57:642 - Move 01:57:642 (117642|5) - at 2 (lower tone respect 01:57:213 -), move 01:57:749 (117749|1) - to 7
   
   THIS!!! actually give me a better looking pattern tq... now it looks like this :
   Notice the HL note is my change and what it follows >w<

There are just few suggestions, if you think you you should apply them on other diffs you are welcome.
Maybe this mapset will be one of most played in all o!m for some reason:

- There are a lot of keys
- All difficulties
- Perfect hitsounding
- Fantastic malody
- Good patterns
- Code Geass BG ♥

Fantastic job Raika, I'm really happy to help you on this map. (I hope this was useful to you @.@)

Good luck, Raika ! ♥♥♥

OMG! Goddamnit XD tq bro~
and im not sure it will be most played, since its not a PP map at all, insane supposed to be around 3.6~3.8 due to LN and high density note.
but meh... XD, thanks again ♥♥♥ >w< it helps me in quite lots of things...

1. rescale OD ^^b (but i keep the HP, on the 2nd thought, this will do)
2. fix unnecessary LN on beginner, change some 4k pattern
3. as for normal, i didnt change the LN for grace piano into short LN, i try, its just a bit hard to get perfect 300 for new player.
   but yeah... its true... skipping so many note(B and G#) for the triple A(la) as anchor is easier to play but harder to read and play...
   i will change whole diff's for this one ^^b tq
4. nothing much change for Normal, only some position, but i will reconsider removing the grace ;w;
5. no change on hard & Insane XD hehe
6. reupdate all Insane's LN into a better pattern....

GhostFY wrote:

before download this map HOW THE FUK A MAP HAVE 21.??? MB OAO#
I think is because the storyboard or something???

Total File Size : around 29MB

-Kamikaze- wrote:

HOWEVER.
There is a certain element of keysounding and osu!mania ranking criteria in regards to it that people confuse a lot. That is:

If you make keysounds for the exact sounds happening in the mp3 without cutting it out of the mp3, you are making a 100% blended in hitsound which is not audible enough and as a result it's not viable.


FIRST THINGS FIRST, i thought u already realize that i didnt EVEN touch the mp3 , cut and take PORTION of the mp3 into any of my hitsound files.

in short, they are COMPLETELY different files that coincidentally sound too blends but in fact,
the violin, the piano, the snare, the hihat, everything is different in my hearing, but SURE, for the first time, people might think its perfectly same as the mp3 D:
i even put more works to remade the Reverse cymbal, rescale their duration and other stuff to fits the song.




If you're making a keysounded chart, you should:
a) fully keysound it, put a blank mp3 and if you want, put a link do the version (or just the mp3) with matching offset and mp3 for players who don't play with keysounds
b) cut out parts of the song which you keysounded
c) not fully keysound it, but make the sounds stand out ever so slightly so that you can actually distinguish them.


i "CAN" :
-even make the REAL mp3 into more colorful by adding my custom song/another instrumental layer, merge it together into the song's "mp3"
(keeping the rest as hitsound) (keeping the real song, but +another layer of sound, like orchestra in more easier way to understand.)
-make it blank mp3, make another version to be downloadable

BUT, do you know that doing so
-violate the real mp3, i dont even want to edit the mp3 , or can i???? then what should i do with the metadata after that?
-make the mp3 blank, isnt it making ME MAPPING GHOST NOTE for all the keysound?

QATS still hold their stands, saying "you cant map the note even using KEYSOUND if the song doesnt have the sound"
for example bms song, doesNT have any 1/6 or 1/12 sound from the mp3, but the KEYSOUND is those extra note
qat wont let me DO THIS, if so you can already imagine what i could made with this freedom.





Do not use the argument of "others did it so why I can't do it" as well. The fact that this was allowed and ignored in most cases is not something I had any control over, but this needs to stop, hitsounding went to shit altogether on a vast majority of ranked maps from last year or so.
Not saying that that's the case here, but stating my point.


why should i? i never intend to do anything most likely SAME WITH the others, in fact
i tend to do things uniquely that no one ever did D:
just saying, that i dont even take any reference by any other previously ranked map at all... (that i dont get what u mean >.<)
i always follow the Ranking Criteria! thats why i reply all of these.




I wanna see this set ranked, hell, I can go through it and check it for bubble, but first you gotta do something about the keysounding+mp3.


honestly, this is easy task to me, yep it is... i can SIMPLY replace the hitsound with my other type sound that still similar.
or i will re edit into FLs to make each hitsound into something different... (in short, overwrite the current files could do)


BUT... BUT WHY should i... WHY!!!
i made this fully aware of the RC, im sure i didnt violate any of them.... D:

like,... is there even ANY ranked maps with SILENT/blank mp3????
yes Loctav said you CANT ever try to rank again without mp3, IN2006 is special case. that doesnt mean blank mp3 could work.
that doesnt mean, editting half of the real mp3 or so, will works as well....
(i "did" ask once, when i want to map full keysound only, no mp3 beatmap)

at least broh, give me the reason why i should change on what ive been working on for this beatmap....

Dellvangel wrote:

Just a little help from me, hope this can help you to improve this map.

1. "BG2.jpg" looks squashed on height imo, and the size itself is a bit low (1280 x 720), though it's not unrankable. Could be better if you use this http://puu.sh/shOz6/3c86a00b00.jpg (1366 x 768) or if want to cut it by yourself http://puu.sh/shOCP/24e92b54be.jpg (2400 x 1492). Btw, 1920 x 1200 is rankable now.
2. Also, http://puu.sh/shOFI/1dcc58bebc.jpg and http://puu.sh/shOHu/158e73ca75.jpg , "Thumbs" (.db) files seems useless, already tried to delete them and the SB still works properly.

That's all i think, such a nice map, good luck!

LordRaika wrote:

in short, they are COMPLETELY different files that coincidentally sound too blends but in fact,
the violin, the piano, the snare, the hihat, everything is different in my hearing, but SURE, for the first time, people might think its perfectly same as the mp3 D:

LordRaika wrote:

i "CAN" :
-even make the REAL mp3 into more colorful by adding my custom song/another instrumental layer, merge it together into the song's "mp3"
(keeping the rest as hitsound) (keeping the real song, but +another layer of sound, like orchestra in more easier way to understand.)
-make it blank mp3, make another version to be downloadable

BUT, do you know that doing so
-violate the real mp3, i dont even want to edit the mp3 , or can i???? then what should i do with the metadata after that? It does not violate the mp3, you are transfering the instruments to the playfield. It's exactly the same as BMS charting, you can edit the song however you please with samples and it's nothing wrong. And there is no reason why metadata would ever change in that case.
-make the mp3 blank, isnt it making ME MAPPING GHOST NOTE for all the keysound? how did you come to this conclusion? I'm amazed actually that you would consider recreating the song using same/really similar instrument samples as something that cannot be done.


QATS still hold their stands, saying "you cant map the note even using KEYSOUND if the song doesnt have the sound"
for example bms song, doesNT have any 1/6 or 1/12 sound from the mp3, but the KEYSOUND is those extra note
qat wont let me DO THIS, if so you can already imagine what i could made with this freedom. That is the case if you map a song from the mp3, if the MP3 doesn't have those sounds, you should not add them. BUT if you are fully keysounding you can interpret the song however you want. It's like you could not put a faster hihat burst if you'd be remixing a song in a music program, because thre original has a specific burst. With keysounding you are basically recreating the song yourself with samples provided.

LordRaika wrote:

honestly, this is easy task to me, yep it is... i can SIMPLY replace the hitsound with my other type sound that still similar.
or i will re edit into FLs to make each hitsound into something different... (in short, overwrite the current files could do)


BUT... BUT WHY should i... WHY!!!
i made this fully aware of the RC, im sure i didnt violate any of them.... D:
I stated why, the keysounds blend too much with the music. It was actually a topic brought to my attention by Okoratu, a QAT member, after a discussion with mania part of people who are working on new ranking criteria right now and he told me that this precedent should stop, because those keysounds do not provide enough audio feedback.

LordRaika wrote:

like,... is there even ANY ranked maps with SILENT/blank mp3????
yes Loctav said you CANT ever try to rank again without mp3, IN2006 is special case. that doesnt mean blank mp3 could work.
that doesnt mean, editting half of the real mp3 or so, will works as well....
(i "did" ask once, when i want to map full keysound only, no mp3 beatmap)

at least broh, give me the reason why i should change on what ive been working on for this beatmap....

Here's what you really misunderstood. Blank mp3=/= no mp3. Blank mp3s or even mp3s with cut out parts have been ranked before on mania and I can brink examples if needed (like for example DJPop maps). The reason why I ask you to change it is because of them blending too much which in result makes hitsounds not really audible, only doubling the actual sounds which sounds more confusing then helping in gameplay. Most BNs would let this go through, but also most BNs have let a lot of maps through with nearly silent hitsounds in the past.

LordRaika wrote:

dont take this as an offense, im merely stating and stands still from what i map
till we reach an agreement, while you can see i didnt say you are wrong, i even could do what you suggest.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Underlined important sentences. This is exactly what I mean by keysounds blending TOO MUCH.
but why..if its keysound, it should be great and perfect
if its hitsound, it should not blend too much and should be noticeable...


-make the mp3 blank, isnt it making ME MAPPING GHOST NOTE for all the keysound?
how did you come to this conclusion? I'm amazed actually that you would consider recreating the song using same/really similar instrument samples as something that cannot be done.
because the case will be, editted mp3 + keysound,
most likely the editted mp3 at the point of time doesnt have the sound, and then we keysound it, let say its full 1/8
SO... FOR OTHER people who dont even know the song, should they check the real song if it does have 1/8 or not.
in other view, QAT see it like mapping to ghost sound.... D:



QATS still hold their stands.....
That is the case if you map a song from the mp3, if the MP3 doesn't have those sounds, you should not add them. BUT if you are fully keysounding you can interpret the song however you want. It's like you could not put a faster hihat burst if you'd be remixing a song in a music program, because thre original has a specific burst. With keysounding you are basically recreating the song yourself with samples provided.
you mean with what have been map for the real mp3....
so again, everyone should check the original of the song? and so......




like,... is there even ANY ranked maps with SILENT/blank mp3????
yes Loctav said you CANT ever try to rank again without mp3..........
Here's what you really misunderstood. Blank mp3=/= no mp3. Blank mp3s or even mp3s with cut out parts have been ranked before on mania and I can brink examples if needed (like for example DJPop maps). The reason why I ask you to change it is because of them blending too much which in result makes hitsounds not really audible, only doubling the actual sounds which sounds more confusing then helping in gameplay. Most BNs would let this go through, but also most BNs have let a lot of maps through with nearly silent hitsounds in the past.

no no no, i mean : "using blank mp3, doesnt solve a must having mp3 for RC" , i never said its same.
and allrite, since you are using that one as Reference, ley say... "snow halation" , im sure current QAT can ask like
"how could u map that glissando 1/16?" is it even correct?
the song is using full flat key as stream, around 19note from the piano sheet.
while the mapper map with custom keysound, it has total of 28note 1/16, this is totally custom usage.
WHILE ITS STILL TRUE, he is using all flat key as stream, so in piano sense, its still fine, its jst simply use more octave.
in mapping,its clearly overmapping from the real one? is it allowed?
"iIF" qats know about this, IM SURE THEY WONT... let you do that...
yeah... "IF"

1/4 hihat, some end of 1/4 burst sounds like 1/8 sound, ofc i could make 1/8 out of it, WHY NOT?? im free to customize my keysound/hitsound right?
this is the case , i cant even sure if QAT allow it or not



i can SIMPLY replace the hitsound with my other ty.....
I stated why, the keysounds blend too much with the music. It was actually a topic brought to my attention by Okoratu, a QAT member, after a discussion with mania part of people who are working on new ranking criteria right now and he told me that this precedent should stop, because those keysounds do not provide enough audio feedback.
it should be hitsound then, not keysound... and its not a big deal yet on o!m, or i havent heard the whole changes. thats why we need....

LordRaika wrote:

-make the mp3 blank, isnt it making ME MAPPING GHOST NOTE for all the keysound?

Loctav wrote:

I reconsidered, the storyboard and background and everything is 100% unrelated to the map. Can we like... not use some eroge crap as background image/storyboard stuff that absolutely has no relation to the song?

What's New?

1. Remake whole mp3, tuning all pitch down by 1 octave. Changing piano to much softer and smoother,
   reducing volume of drum, remove unnecessary wind and noise. Add more excited drum-roll pattern as finishing.
2. Rescale drum's hitsound file volume to match the song.
3. Replace cameltoe image.
4. Changed metadata.

Description and reply to previous main issue :

1. This new mp3 is create from scratch in FL Studio by myself.
2. Instead of making a whole mp3 with only bass piano's beatdown, or even make a blank mp3, or recreate hitsound file one by one,
   i reduce main piano pitch by 1 octave and change lots of stuff on this new mp3.
    
   The main mp3 piano is leaning to the left audio channel,(and its lower octave)
   While the hitsound piano is leaning to the right audio channel,(since its higher octave)
    
   Now then both is clearly different(huge 1 octave range, channel percentage division, and piano type) so there is no more excuse its going
   to blend or player cant even distinguish which one is mp3 or hitsound. Its... Perfect.
   I really hope you are satisfy with the work now.
    
3. Player can experiment with the volume setting, by choosing 60%SFX + 100%Music,
   100%SFX + 50%Music, 0%SFX + 100%Music, 100%SFX + (0%Music and or +DT/HT)
   player could hear and feel all sound color from this one beatmap with simply adjusting those volume setting.
    
4. For SB, i "respect" people's work. I try to never waste or delete people's hardwork, at least i will think of a way to improve or make the work better, the same with me, i dont want to just simply delete my work. The previous SB idea and sprite is from Gero, and due to some circumstances, Gero cant finish the SB, so Exile and me finish the rest of the SB along with the previous sprite.
    
   This should be fine, its related to the song genre, (about romance and not ero), and most SB doesnt even have to be from the song itself, it could be a story from the outside that still emphasize the song, if SB should be related or from the song, 70% of the ranked SB should not even get there. I hope you understand this, TQ~

LordRaika wrote:

i will make it ranked.

b-but, i still prefer the original mp3

LordRaika wrote:

i will make it ranked.

AchsanLovers wrote:

b-but, i still prefer the original mp3

Protastic101 wrote:

General

1. I think the OD all of the Beginner diffs is too high for the low density in notes. I would suggest OD 6.5. As for the .................

Here is my final change :
==HP/OD - Diff Name==
    6.4/7.0 - Beginner
    7.0/7.4 - Easy
    7.6/7.8 - Normal
    8.2/8.2 - Hard
    8.8/8.6 - Insane
================

1. High OD, because this is accuracy map, and its still easy imo. It will sounds bad if you play it off sync,
   so yeah, acc should be high. It starts higher and lower in the end because of LN curve difficulty.
   (which is perfect now)
2. Low starting HP, because this map aim for a complete beginner on any KEY or even new to rhythm game.
   Raising up high on last one, because it's still an easy map, but should not be underrestimate. If the player fail,
   it means they should NOT even try this, yet. Insane is pretty underrated. trust me, for some people, it's easy.
   but for those who is not familiar with a complete density map + unique LN, its hard. (its to suggest that they are not ready for this)

That change also cover up 90% of your concern about HP/OD accross the difficulty. So yeah, it's final.

4K
First thing first, the point of the mod here is good.(i already considered it more than 5times while i map it)
BUT, what's more important is the reason 'why' i map it like this.
and to strengthen my mapping reason, i have couple of a complete newbie friend IRL to test 'Beginner' & 'Easy'
that gives me a direct result from observing and see how it is goin.

I

[Beginner]
00:14:571 (14571|2,14785|3) - I get that this is for the lower harmony of the song, but I think the player would be focusing more on the melody at 00:14:142 - and 00:14:357 - instead, so having the 1/2 at 00:14:571 (14571|2,14785|3) - may feel very misleading for the player. If anything, they would probably read it as a continuation of the 1/1 stair. Either way, it's kind of hard to predict this coming. What I would do is control J the notes (move the hitsound with it too)
so that they go in a different direction to what the player is used to, acting as a visual distinction between 1/1 and 1/2. It does break the pitch relevancy of this part, but I think it's ok for readability.
i actually already test and consider this, no, the newbie dont miss it
but i will change it to 4 and 3 for this section ^^
01:40:284 (100284|2,100499|3) - 01:26:570 (86570|2,86784|3) - Same thing I said about 00:14:571 (14571|2,14785|3) -
but, i will keep it as it is here. for variation.


01:08:570 - I'd add a jump here for consistency with 00:54:856 - which is the same sound but mapped with different emphasis here.
I know, i knowww it. but on lower key like 4K, i will ignore the cymbal on 2nd impact section like this and here 02:06:856 - ,
it's also scale down the SR, i need this




= = = = = = = = = = = = =
01:53:142 - to 01:58:713 - rip column 2. I get that it's all for pitch relevancy, but I dont think you should be sacrificing hand balance and playability for it.
This is a difficulty aimed at people who have never played a VSRG before I assume, so it makes no sense to let them go a full 5 seconds without using
one entire column. It's a strong right hand bias that will strain the player :/
01:59:142 - to 02:05:570 - same thing as the above but for column 3. Hand balance is super important for players of this level as it allows them to build up finger independence and the concept of hand balance.
02:15:427 - to 02:20:142 - watch out for col 1 here now

If you can see my pattern, if you know what i map, THEN that's one of the reason why i map.
I want the player to be able to get what i map, to see and notice MY PATTERN.
No matter how i look at other's people map, 80% of every section, they have no pattern,
for me... that's basically note on random column, sometimes its just there for density and consistency ignoring playability.

I cant map like that anymore, i want to put every detail i could on my mapping nowadays.
My priority is still 'Playability > Pattern > Pitchp, the thing you mention above, i already consider it, dont worry.
First, its still easy for playability, (for higher key count of 'Beginner', you can start to see the variant of that pattern)
just because of column restriction, i will keep the pattern CLEAR and easy to be notice.
and for the 2nd and 3rd point, that's the result after i consider the 'pattern & pitch' altogether

i think thats it >w<, sry for long explanation
but for your point, you can check out 5K 6K 7K 8K 9K at the same spot, and you will notice why i want to map it like that.
i will keep it as it is now, but dont worry, the point of the mod is still good.
= = = = = = = = = = = = =






00:45:856 (45856|1,46284|1) - I wouldnt stack these notes as their base is the same, but the actual top note is a different pitch from the top note of 00:45:856 (45856|1) - which I think is more noticeable to newer players than the bass notes which require a bit of attention to hear first.
thanks but yeah, for pattern reason, and to break the 1232 , 2343, 4323 pattern


00:47:999 - Kind of seems like this part is copy pasted directly from 00:41:142 - which makes the gameplay a little boring because of how repetitive it is.
i want to keep the pattern while its consistent, so this is what happen, but i dont feel bad of it
since on 5K and above, (with more oclumn, i created another variation pattern out of the loop)





02:42:856 (162856|3) - Shouldnt this note start lower than 02:43:284 (163284|2,163713|3) - because the pitch is lower? And I know that you've been strictly following pitch relevancy, so it seems odd to exclude this one instance from it.
I actually want to make the stair going lower and lower,(like 5K & above) but nvm, i will move it.

II

[Easy]
02:35:945 (155945|1,156106|2) - Definitely wouldn't use this for an easy because it's too fast for the player to read and comprehend, then move to execute the pattern properly. Might just stick with making 02:35:570 (155570|2) - an LN or something to represent the sound.
After thinking more and more, i got another idea, and here i solved it with a really short 1/4 rather than using 1/8 and 1/4
(just fixing this, require me to delete total of 6 notes, 6 SB sound note, adding 6 new notes, and 6 new SB sound note)



00:25:500 - to 00:30:428 - I didnt mention this the last time it occurred once before this, but you have got to watch out for your hand balance here. Column 2 goes unused for five seconds at a time, and Im not just going to chalk it up to pitch relevancy as that's something that I believe should not get in the way of playability and overall chart friendliness to a newer player.
00:54:856 - to 00:58:499 - Now col 1 is pretty empty for a while. I'd try to keep your vacant columns lasting only 2 seconds and less preferably so that there's still some semblance of hand balance.
01:16:713 - to 01:19:284 - Similar thing to the above. Gonna stop mentioning these now, but I'd really consider rebalancing some of them.

Again, for my pattern, and for playability, it wont be a problem, but i still try to see if i can change or move them while having the pattern,
....
but no, i still keep it the same, as they dont repeat too much

III

[Normal]
00:33:267 (33267|2,33428|3,33642|2) - This is a bit difficult to follow due to the uneven spacing between notes while also being visually similar. I would change note direction so that there's not an awkward spacing gap in col 3, like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807627
01:45:267 (105267|2,105427|3,105642|2) - Same thing as at 00:33:267 (33267|2,33428|3,33642|2) -
okay, will change them a bit.



01:17:142 - to 01:18:856 - Throughout this entire measure, col 1 isnt used T_T and I already explained the importance of hand balance in the beginner diff :c
Seriously! It doesn't even a problem to be play, if you know all of my map, i'm probably the only mapper that focusing 'hand balance' everytime, and sometimes for a super strong and good reason that i focus on 1 hand or specific column.
I know what i'm doing,

anyway, i change it and try to keep my pattern as good as it is.



02:05:356 - 02:05:784 - I think because the B5 is so pronounced here that it would be nice to add stacks for it, like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807642
Its okay, but i 'intentionally' skipping more 1/2 on this section, just for 4K SR


02:18:856 (138856|1,138856|2,139284|2,139284|1,139713|1,139713|2,140142|1,140142|2) - I'm modding this out of order so I already explained myself in the following diffs but basically tldr; is that this pattern puts all movement on the outer columns and all weight on the inner, making an overall unbalanced gameplay experience imo due to only ever having one concept but not the other.
thx, but no change, i will keep mine ^^
just chat me directly if you want my long reason.



00:06:803 (6803|2,6857|3) - I remember talking to Maxus before in a different map, Zanarkand Nite about using graces in low level difficulties such as the normal here and we decided that because there were instances of maps being DQed before it, not to use such fast graces. In this case, I would simply move the note here to the storyboard as it essentially plays like a triple due to the closeness to each other. The timing ends up being so small that the player can simply place it as a hand without the grace.
I prefer ask QAT directly first, this is already the 3rd Lv difficulty, i don't want to keep on mapping the same density...
this spread is a good one to add little grace before the full grace on 4th Lv (Hard) and 5th Lv (Insane)
i would like to keep it if possible.

IV

[Hard]
00:30:642 (30642|0,30696|1,30750|2,30803|3,30857|0) - Might vary this or something to make it different from 00:16:928 (16928|0,16982|1,17035|2,17089|3,17142|0) - since they all just roll the same way.
00:27:321 (27321|1,27375|2,27428|3,27428|0) - Similar suggestion to the above since 00:06:750 (6750|1,6803|2,6857|3,6857|0) - 00:13:607 (13607|1,13660|2,13714|3,13714|0) - are all the same :c
Sure, will change some of them.



01:20:570 - I feel that the pattern here is a bit too repetitive or bland, and could do with some variation. Maybe something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807588
the repetitive make it easier to read/notice the pattern, and it's really easy to be play.
while, your suggestion doesnt have 'pattern' on it, just a well placed note.



01:57:856 (117856|0,117856|3,117963|2,118070|1,118177|0) - Might be nice to trill these since their pitch alternates and then continues descending again. Maybe a [14][3][2][3] pattern would work, like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807596
That's become 2 trill on 3 2 3 2 , and furthermore, unnecessary jacking on 01:58:499 - that doesnt have same sound.
so i really want avoid it. but tell me again if you want me to change it.


02:35:570 (155570|1) - I'd move this to a column that's different from 02:35:838 (155838|1) - because the awkward spacing between the notes is impossibly difficult to read without a column separation between them to help with the visual snap cue. Col 1 seems best in this case.
Sure~



02:18:856 - You could have at least made the jumps descend a bit and make it different from the Insane without outright just removing a note and calling it a day Q_Q https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807601
no, you don't know how much struggle i FINALIZE ALL THIS 30 DIFFICULTY!
especially for, curve spread, note consistency, SR sake and so much more the reason behind WHYYYYY i did this,
its honestly all related to the other 29 difficulty and why i dont want any further mod,

unless the modder think from my point of view, like if they are the one who create this 30 difficulty and spread.
what 'can' they do for the spread?

V

[Insane]
00:30:642 (30642|1,30750|2) - Shouldn't these be jacked for pitch relevancy like you did at 00:16:928 (16928|2,17035|2) - ? Even if not, I'd suggest inverting the pattern so that it goes 1-2-4-3 instead as I think this is easier to hit because it flows the way your fingers would naturally roll as opposed to going against it.
As you can see, when you want a pattern variation, and still think about 'is it going to be weird?' , 'rip pitch?' , 'is it fun'
etc etc, anyway sure, will change to 1-2-4-3



00:33:267 (33267|2) - I'm probably going to get shot for asking this but is there a way you could edit the mp3 to have this start at 00:33:285 - on the 1/3 instead? Currently, the 3/8 rhythm is really hard to understand intuitively and it simply feels awkward going from that to a clean 1/2 at 00:33:428 (33428|3,33642|2) - .
I personally can, and have the power to create the mp3 again..
1) is it the only concern? if yes, i wont change it. (It's a correct arrangement, and the note is not really hard imo)
2) it will make me have to work so much harder, to redo every 30difficulty.




00:40:928 (40928|2,41142|2,41356|2,41570|2,41784|2) - I think this is a bit of an unnecessary stack tbh. Like, the BPM is only 140 but it creates a right hand bias which is noticeable while playing. It'd be better to try and balance out the notes instead imo.
K, i can change this section to get the right pitch.



00:45:856 (45856|1,45856|2) - I believe this jump should be different from the one used at 00:45:642 (45642|1,45642|2) - since that's the kind of pattern and structure found through this build up going into the kiai.
i change it to 34 now, (thou it looks a bit, weird, just a bit, but ok... since it has more good point changing it this way.
like a plus point on 'pitch' and '2 note side by side' pattern.
00:50:999 (50999|0,50999|1) - same suggestion as at 00:45:856 (45856|2,45856|1) -
changed, notice the differenes? this is why if possible, i dont want to change anything more now.

00:52:499 (52499|1,52713|1,52927|1,53142|1) - *stack intensifies*
should not be a problem
see, if you change them, you cant get the 'plus' point of
-the piano pattern on this section is '2 note side by side' pattern



00:49:713 (49713|2,49927|2,50142|2,50356|2,50570|2) - again, another long stack.
nope, changing this will break the good point of 'consistency note', 'pitch positioning' and etc.
Also, as you can try, this is still consider super easy 140BPM 1/2, things like this wont give a mindblock



01:05:999 (65999|2,65999|3,66213|3,66213|2) - I would wait to stack these until 01:06:856 - where the kick actually becomes repeated. So maybe you could spread the notes out instead like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807419
Good, i got your point, i will avoid that stack, and keep it for the kick,
NOPE, i will change it with my way while keeping the 'side by side' note >w<
it's sad that this 'side by side' note pattern is the only noticeable pattern on 4K
(while i dont want to use short LN on this section)



00:58:713 (58713|2,58927|2,59142|2,59356|2,59570|2) - I think the capped 1/4 triplet here would be easier to hit if there wasn't so much weight on the right hand. I'd try something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8806030
^^ , i know you are trying so hard to help.... ah
but no, as you can see i would love to keep those side by side pattern,
it might looks harder on 4K, BUT THIS IS JUST how the world is... on 4K
things will be different on the same section same difficulty on 5 6 7 8 9 K
you will completely know what im doing.





01:08:142 - I don't really know why this is a quad when it's just a snare + piano. It seems like you've only used quads for crashes such as the ones at kiai starts and ends, so I think in this case, the note should be a hand. Also, follow consistency with 02:06:427 -
01:08:356 - no sound like 02:06:642 - , can't even consistent it ^^
those quad is to match the other 5 Insane diff. Furthermore for the break 1/1



01:57:642 (117642|2,117856|2,118070|2,118284|2,118499|2) - Lots of stacks here in the dense jump burst. I'd try this instead https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807545
02:04:499 - Similar thing here but there are no stacks. Rather, it's the direction flow I'm concerned about as it turns on the right hand and never on the left,
making it a bit more strained on col 3 and 4. I'd do this instead https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807549
Oh that, sure, i can repattern them




02:18:856 (138856|2,138856|1,139070|1,139070|2,139284|1,139284|2,139499|1,139499|2,139713|2,139713|1,139927|2,139927|1,140142|2,140142|1) - Not really a fan of this. At all because of the fact that it changes direction every half beat, and puts all the weight in col 2 and 3 but the movement is always in 1 and 4. I'd try this instead then https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807560
i see, im not fan of 'that' pattern as well. BUT i'm a fan of something that has 'pattern' ^^
nowadays i hate something that doesn't have pattern, it's way too easy to map(for me), you just need to think of the playability
so yeah, if possible, i would add them all 'Playability > Pattern > Pitch'

For example regarding of this matter, i have another variation

But this one is 'Pattern > Playability > Pitch' as priority

anyway i will keep it first unless i could make another good pattern ^^



02:29:142 (149142|3,149999|2,150427|3) - I think it'd be nice to mirror this with 02:27:427 (147427|0,147856|1,148713|1) - , so the first timestamp sent would look like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8807568 . I also think it's easier to hit this way due to the earlier release being on the inner columns as opposed to outer.
Sure, i change it by keep the correct pitch as possible.



02:42:856 - Just a comment that I think it's a bit odd to discontinue the full LNs here and use a wider mix of short notes and long notes now.
actually i'm reducing the inverse LN density bit by bit here until normal note. That's the idea.

While the mapset is cool and all, you really gotta work on the hand balance vs pitch relevancy because there's often times places in the chart where one column is completely unused for measures at a time, even in sections with plenty going on in the music.
Really hope you take a quick look for 5 6 7 8 9, from the same difficulty and see how 'SMALL' is the world of 4K