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Topic Starter
Kyomaku
All bids have been sent in, thus R2 now concludes. These have been the bids!

Husa 332.73
Ender Lain 314
Puzzle 225
samX500 201 Coins back!
Vinnici 161 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

samX500 799
Puzzle 775
Husa 217.27
Ender Lain 150
Vinnici 0

R3 starts as of now and you can DM me your bids, but considering this round concluded early, it'll have a deadline of 48h. 2 more rounds to go until we'll know our first winner! So far it seems to be a really close game between sam and Puzzle, but who knows? Maybe Ender Lain or Husa can make a comeback. They're really running low on Coins, though!

Good luck to all the remaining participants.

Edit:

All bids have been sent in, thus R3 now concludes. These have been the bids!

Puzzle 250
samX500 151
Husa 149 Coins back!
Ender Lain 111 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

samX500 648
Puzzle 525
Husa 217.27
Ender Lain 0

Congratulations to Ender Lain for making 4th place! And with this, we are entering the final round. You can DM your bids as of now.

Who's going to win, who's going to bust? A single bid can still turn everything around.
vinnicci
ahhh crap lmao
Husa
i gone
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
All bids have been sent in, thus the final round now concludes.

Puzzle 218
samX500 218
Husa 211 Eliminated

With this, we have our winner! Congratulations for taking first place, samX500!

1st Place samX500 430
2nd Place Puzzle 307
3rd Place Husa 0

Thank you to everyone who participated. I am thinking about hosting a 2nd round, but with a few changes to the ruleset to make the latter rounds more interesting and to increase the comeback potential.

#1 No more bids past the decimal, clean numbers only. (looking at you Husa)
#2 Once there are only 5 players remaining, whenever a player is eliminated, their remaining coins are given to the player currently in last place, that is, with the least amount of coins. This does not apply for the final round.

I had more ideas in mind, but I wasn't happy with them in the end, so I left it at those 2 for now. I'd love to hear suggestions though. The main goal is to improve the rounds with 4 and 3 players remaining. Ideally* players try to win, but this isn't the first time that I played and hosted this, so I've seen many players simply play it safe in the end and outbid the last place by 1, which means the player with the most coins going into the final round always wins. If people actually try to go for the win, they'll have to try to be the middle bid in the final round for the coins back bonus and that would make the last round more exciting, but I can't force players to do that and risk being eliminated when they can simply take the easy 2nd place (which in turns gives the current first place the easy and safe victory).

So because of that, I was thinking about adding extra rules / options, that would allow the last 3 or 4 remaining players to have a slightly more drastic impact and create more chaos, so people can't as easily figure out a "safe" bid, increasing the amount of mindgames a little. Unfortunately I just didn't manage to find an idea that satisfied me, yet, but yeah, go ahead and drop suggestions if you have any in mind, don't worry about making good suggestions, even a bad suggestion can give the inspiration that leads to a good suggestion. With that said, here are 2 of my bad ideas that I had in mind:

BadIdeaA) The player currently in last place can manipulate the bid of up to 2 players by up to +/-50
BadIdeaB) Every player, one time only, can place a special bid with a coin/bid ratio of 1:2 (e.g. spending 100 coins to bid 200 and so on)

Lastly, I was thinking about placing a special event on either the highest or the 2nd highest bid. I had thought about stuff like, the 2nd highest or highest bid automatically stealing 100 coins of the player currently having the most coins, but didn't like it too much. But I think it would be more interesting if there was some sort of benefit to having the 2nd highest (or highest) bid.

Well, looking forward to responses.
Husa
yea sounds interesting, rule #2, that is


ggwp
samX500
rule #2 would definitely be a good addition to the game since there are currently no way of making a comeback, once you are behind it's up to the other player to mess up and let you win, you can't really do much yourself.

Also I think that the rule under which the second lowest bid gets a refund should be removed or at least nerfed because if you do get second lowest bid, you gain a massive advantage and anyway there is already an insentive to bid low, which is to save as much coin as possible for later into the game, I don't think the game should reward the player for doing something that already rewards him.

Maybe we could add a rule that the largest bid get's half refund. In my opinion that is a lot better than the rule for the second lowest bid because biding high is highly discouraged so trying to go for this half refund is a high risk since if you fail at getting the highest bid you will be at a huge disadvantage in the coming round.

I also think that some sort of credit system would be really good for the game to prevent player from simply outbiding the lowest player by one. I am not too sure what would be a good way to implement a credit system but it's something that could really bring more strategy into the game and prevent the easy outbid by one strategy.


Tell me your feedback on these suggestion and maybe add your own idea to the discussion. I am thinking of hosting a coin game myself in the near future to test out how our idea work in practice and if they end up being bad idea, it's no big deal, it's just a silly game with no reward at all that doesn't take much time to play.
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Refund on 2nd highest bid actually sounds pretty cool. I'm not sure about removing it from the second lowest, because the reward is in the risk of being close to being immediately eliminated, the reward from bidding higher is safety.

I'll have to think about this more, maybe others have opinions on this, too? I'll host whatever you guys want to play tbh, so if you prefer one ruling over another, just say so. Alternatively, I could also rotate rules, one game of coin game with 2nd highest refund, one with 2nd lowest refund, etc.

Another idea would be, to nerf the 2nd lowest refund to 50% back.

I'm also thinking about a rule, that penalizes people for having the same bid. E.G. PlayerA and PlayerB bid 100 coins, so both receive a penalty, such as a fixed amount of coinds being deducted from both (such as 50, or 100, or maybe a %) or a multiplier based on their bid, such as 50% of their bid. Just a thought though, I haven't fully thought it through, yet. (since messing with people's coins in a punishing way might be annoying, it could also be done this way: a bid that is shared will be given to the player with the least coins, e.g. playera and playerb bid 100, playerc receives 100 coins)

In regards to the outbid by 1 strategy, same bid penalty might impact that one a lot, if 3rd one is close to first and 2nd, third one could win from them losing coins to the penalty/gaining coins, depending on how it would be done, by adding one extra rule: "Final round only, as long as you bid within 50 coins of your maximum bid, you will not be eliminated for having the lowest bid, however even if 3 players remain after this round, the round will not be repeated and the placement will be decided by the amount of coins each player has left."

This would give massive comeback and mindgame potential for the last round, unless my mind missed something in it's dehydrated state. So hot. :(
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
I've settled on the new ruleset and edited it into the original post, please give it a read. With that said, signups are open again. Post "in" if you want to play. You'll be DM'ed if anything major happens and notified when the game is about to start.

If there are any questions and further explanations needed, do ask.
samX500
I am in.
Plini
in
vinnicci
In
hypercyte
in
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
In
captainmilk
put me in fam
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
6/10 signups! 4 more! :)
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
BUMP
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
BUMP
ERA Puzzle
Oh I never posted

In
Husa
In
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Okay thats 8/10 signups already, 1 more than we got last time. I'm still going to hope for the 10 before I start, maybe one of you knows someone / can invite someone to join?
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
BUMP, if no one signs up until saturday, I'll start the round on sunday.
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Final BUMP, Game is starting tomorrow. Last second signups are still possible. We're at 8/10 players.

Bids can already be sent in if you want to, but the deadline remains in 48h from now for R1, since the round officially starts tomorrow. If by any chance every participant sends in their bids before tomorrow and no additional players sign up, this could lead to a very quick first round though.
Laxxer
Im in Sign me up
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
The game has started! Only missing the bids of 2 players, Ashton and hypercyte, to be able to conclude R1.
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
All bids have been sent in, thus R1 now concludes.

Plini 450
Husa 346 100% Coins Back!
Vinnicci 302
Rebmare 266
samX500 201
Hypercyte 194
Ashton 180
Puzzle 117 50% Coins Back!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 101 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

1st Place Husa 1000
2nd Place Puzzle 942
3rd Place Ashton 820
4th Place Hypercyte 806
5th Place samX500 799
6th Place Rebmare 734
7th Place Vinnicci 698
8th Place Plini 550
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Eliminated

R2 starts as of now and bids can be sent in via DM. Good luck to all the remaining participants.

Editing, cause I can't make a new post, yet.

All bids have been sent in, thus R2 now concludes as well. A quick one!

Hypercyte 444
Plini 344 100% Coins Back!
Puzzle 322
Husa 269
Ashton 250
Vinnicci 204
samX500 201 50% Coins Back!
Rebmare 199 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

1st Place Husa 731
2nd Place samX500 699
3rd Place Puzzle 620
4th Place Ashton 570
5th Place Plini 550
6th Place Vinnicci 494
7th Place Hypercyte 362
Rebmare Eliminated

R3 starts as of now and bids can be sent in via DM. Good luck to all the remaining participants.
samX500
Wow, 2 coins made the difference. That was really close.
captainmilk
gg sam, I thought it was too high actually
gl guys
Laxxer
This will be an easy win for me.
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
All bids have been sent in, thus R3 now concludes.

Plini 409
Vinnicci 364 100% Coins Back!
Puzzle & samX500 351 TIE
Hypercyte 289 +351 Coins from Tie
Husa 270 50% Coins Back!
Ashton 201 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

1st Place Husa 596
2nd Place Vinnicci 494
3rd Place Hypercyte 424
4th Place samX500 348
5th Place Puzzle 269
6th Place Plini 141
Ashton Eliminated

R4 starts as of now and bids can be sent in via DM. Good luck to all the remaining participants.

Welcome back to reality, Ashton.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Join us comrade
Laxxer
Bullshit
vinnicci
holy moly
Husa

Ashton wrote:

This will be an easy win for me.
hypercyte
thx for the tie lmao

edit: just realised me and husa were a little off from tying
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Hypercyte's bid is still missing, going to give it a small extension today, cause he/she has been online and probably just didn't read DM's again from having BN duties. Bumping this so he/she might notice. (you could have just submit your bid after making that post above!)
Laxxer
If they don’t show up I’ll happily take their spot
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Hmm, sure, that's actually an option. DM me the bid you would place, if you were to replace Hypercyte. If the deadline is reached and Hypercyte hasn't responded, I'll use your bid and continue with you in Hypercyte's place.

Hypercyte doesn't have enough coins left to survive the missed deadline penalty, so it would be a DQ, hence I'm fully okay with this.

Edit:

All bids have been sent in, thus R4 now concludes.

Vinnicci 351 +141 Coins from Tie
Puzzle 268 100% Coins Back! Inherits 455 Coins from Husa
Hypercyte 230
samX500 151 50% Coins Back!
Plini & Husa 141 Eliminated TIE

The standings after this round are as follows:

1st Place Puzzle 724
2nd Place Vinnicci 284
3rd Place samX500 273
4th Place Hypercyte 194
Plini & Husa Eliminated

R5 starts as of now and bids can be sent in via DM. Good luck to all the remaining participants.
samX500
of all things that could have happened this is certainly not one I expected in the slightest.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Holy shit double eliminate
hypercyte
no one could have predicted this
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Tbh it is pretty understandable considering Plini only had 141 coins on the previous round so it is logical that you would want to bet an amount that Plini couldn’t bet. I guess Husa didn’t know that being draw in the last place would eliminate him or that he miscalculated and that it should be 142 for a safe bet, not 141
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
Maybe he also just assumed that Plini wouldn't bet everything, quite the gamble though.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
But tbh, if you are in a position like Plini, there is no way you could win. Maybe add some kind of bonus for people who are willing to go really low?
Plini
I knew I was going to lose but I didn't expect that to happen lmao.
Topic Starter
Kyomaku

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrote:

But tbh, if you are in a position like Plini, there is no way you could win. Maybe add some kind of bonus for people who are willing to go really low?


I already have rules in place to help players with less coins and rules that overall increase the comeback and mindgame potential. Players that have really low coins will always be at a disadvantage and that's good that way, there needs to be a reward for having more coins. Do note though that being in last place is not actually bad with these rules, it is only bad if you're so low on coins, that bidding everything will likely still eliminate you.

Until then, you have plenty of options. Even then, the other rules will discourage the rest of them to take safe united bids to avoid elimination by outbidding the low one by 1, because doing so would risk giving a lot of coins to the players currently behind, thus players that are ahead risk losing their lead, or maybe even falling behind, this means, everyone except the person on super low coins in the very last place at the beginning of each round has plenty of options to mindgame and get ahead. And this is especially true for the person in 2nd and 3rd last place, they have enough options to turn everything around.

All in all, what this means and what I'm trying to say is, you should think turns ahead and consider being as low on coins as Plini was here as already being eliminated, so you want to avoid getting into a situation like that on the round before it. But also, coins are low or high in relation to others, so it's not only the number you have that matters.

BTW, as I'm writing this, I'm also making a post for another forum game I've been working on this week. I've been waiting to post it until the Coin Game was almost over. Busy again for a bit now though, but you can expect to see the thread in a few hours.

Edit cause I can't make a post, yet.

All bids have been sent in, thus R5 now concludes.
Vinnicci 277
Puzzle 225 100% Coins Back!
samX500 195 50% Coins Back!
Hypercyte 194 Eliminated

The standings after this round are as follows:

1st Place Puzzle 724
2nd samX500 176 Place
3rd Vinnicci 7 Place
Hypercyte Eliminated

The final round starts as of now and bids can be sent in via DM. Good luck to all the remaining participants.

This is awkward. I already have 2 ideas to improve the rules. But first I'll focus on Battlecoin Royale anyways. One of them would be, to change inheritance to inherit the coins the player had before making their final bid, so that players that go all in and get eliminated from having too little coins, still have something to pass on. Vinnicci could have inherited 194 coins like this, but since Hypercyte has nothing, he also can't inherit anything right now.

The second idea is to further lower the max inheritance a little, so that it starts splitting at 400, meaning more coins are given to multiple people that are behind instead of just one player.
Husa
oops actually bidded 142 first but took the risk lmao i dumb.

gl to remaining players /// did it end yet
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
I feel bad for you lol, you had the right idea but then goofed it.

Edit: No not done, yet. Missing 2 of the final bids, but tbh it's obvious how it'll turn out, not much they can do with that coin difference.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Gg
Topic Starter
Kyomaku
All bids have been sent in, thus the final round now concludes.

Puzzle 150
samX500 8 100% Coins Back!
Vinnicci 7

With this, the 2nd Coin Game is over and I present to you the top3!

1st Place Puzzle 574
2nd Place samX500 176
3rd Place Vinnicci 0

Congratulations to our winner, Puzzle!

(Fun fact: Both Puzzle and samX500 were in the top 3 during the first Coin Game as well, however samX500 was first and Puzzle was 2nd that time.)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Puzzle & Samx500 wrote:

This will be an easy win for me.

samX500
Puzzle is now my coin game arch-enemy. Prepare yourself for the coin battle thread.
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