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Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Topic Starter
Drezi
PerformancePlus (PP+) is an unofficial osu!Standard ranking system featuring Player Rankings, both global and national, Global Score Rankings, each for 8 different (sub)skill categories, detailed player profiles, and map leaderboards for any ranked beatmap sorted by pp+ performance, and bimonthly Seasonal Rankings.

It is still in active development, so any feedback is welcome, but before doing so please read the FAQs!

Main site: https://syrin.me/pp+/
Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ceplus_pp/
7ambda
2,593 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda
this is fucking beautiful

props to you guys for developing this
7ambda
2,593 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda

TheKushVanMan wrote:

I think you should lose all your pp.
i don't want those old shit farm scores in my top ranks anyway
nibs
75 posts
Joined February 2015
nibs
open sauce plz
TheKushVanMan
76 posts
Joined October 2013
TheKushVanMan
wow uncool! because deleted posts!!!!
Yoari
93 posts
Joined March 2014
Yoari
uncool
Matrix
Featured Artist
187 posts
Joined October 2014
Matrix
wow cool
Yolshka
669 posts
Joined April 2014
Yolshka
I just gained like 600pp ill take that.
Oh only if it were so easy.
Index
90 posts
Joined October 2014
Index
When will you update below 10k player's scores?
7ambda
2,593 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda

thregium wrote:

When will you update below 10k player's scores?
it updated for me lol
MaiK
2 posts
Joined October 2014
MaiK
wow cool
Circle
44 posts
Joined May 2016
Circle
Thanks for this!

I have a question. How has FL been accounted for here? Considering reading is a factor in pp+ I expected more boost on FL scores.
Caput Mortuum
1,854 posts
Joined March 2016
Caput Mortuum
fl isn't reading, fl is memorising
DroidBass
154 posts
Joined December 2012
DroidBass
Really thanks for demostrating that 97% HR accuracy isn't shit tier compared to the actual PPv2.

Not used to do plays of that type, but I feel that I got much better rewarded for doing solid streams of 190 and 210 bpm in a pair of cases in which I ended with 97% accuracy and Full Combo.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
Not perfect but I love how some of my plays that I consider impressive but had a really poor reward in ppv2 suddenly show up very high in comparison.
For example this map as my highest rating for Aim (total), Aim (flow) and Precision: https://syrin.me/pp+/b/241143/ giving me only 145pp in ppv2 which I always considered terribly underrated.
Or maps like this showing up at all: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/127291
It also shows Stamina and Speed as my weak points which is definitely accurate.

good job
Axaptice
166 posts
Joined May 2014
Axaptice
Have you guys considered approaching peppy/the dev team with this?
7ambda
2,593 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda

UnNVus wrote:

Have you guys considered approaching peppy/the dev team with this?

/u/pepppppy wrote:

Considered submitting such a system upstream as a revision of the actual pp system? We've always been open to proposals for changes to pp.
disclaimer: i haven't checked into the formula for this approach at all, just passing by.
edit: oh it's closed source without any specific details of how calculations are done. you might want to consider more transparency.
Axaptice
166 posts
Joined May 2014
Axaptice

/u/pepppppy wrote:

Considered submitting such a system upstream as a revision of the actual pp system? We've always been open to proposals for changes to pp.
disclaimer: i haven't checked into the formula for this approach at all, just passing by.
edit: oh it's closed source without any specific details of how calculations are done. you might want to consider more transparency.
Oh nice, I guess I missed that earlier. mb.
Shiv
157 posts
Joined January 2015
Shiv
the site don't show the current rank, eh? i'm currently on rank #5656 and rank #64 in my country, but the site showed my rank when i check the site for the first time.
*pardon my english
Kyrari
789 posts
Joined June 2013
Kyrari

Shiv wrote:

the site don't show the current rank, eh? i'm currently on rank #5656 and rank #64 in my country, but the site showed my rank when i check the site for the first time.
*pardon my english
PP+ is a little different from normal PP, it's not showing your old rank but it's showing you your PP+ rank. (you should notice you have an extra 400pp in the PP+ website)

And I think it's going the right direction, lots of high bpm high stamina streamer gets their rank buffed a lot and I've always thought aim is overrated anyway.
Meanwhile jump map farmer like me deranks so hard xddddd
JigglePhysic
24 posts
Joined March 2017
JigglePhysic
from #173,319 to #22,919 o_O
DroidBass
154 posts
Joined December 2012
DroidBass
Well, I like how it is going.

I have seen a map that jumped from a Ridiculously underrated 153 pp in PPv2 to 210 pp at pp+.
Woofle - Major Boss Battle [Insane] +DT 95.20% 210pp

In that map I'm even top #31 and doing it at DT is something frustrating (to not say it's the map with the highest amount of retries I have!)

And yes, from 153 pp to 210 pp is another world of pp. Considering that my top performances starts at 190 pp... this heck which is absurdly difficult is not giving any pp to me in the official system while at this it increases my amount of pp, aim, speed and stamina a bit. Expect that there are a lot of unfairly underrated maps like this one and many others... there are maps massively underrated.

Mmmm... like 219 bpm streams and duplets at OD9.67 doesn't bother.

Glad to see that I got a decent reward for a thing that really costed me a lot while in the official pp that's a 0 pp map even for a 4300 pp player.

JigglePhysic wrote:

from #173,319 to #22,919 o_O
You're probably top 50 in your country. The actual system only considers people at top 10k and at top 50 of each country.


Edit: Could you add an option in which you can type for a map's name or ID to see its stats directly? similar to nicks or username but one bar to find a requesting map.
Vendeur
11 posts
Joined January 2014
Vendeur
Hi, not sure if that's the right place to post it, let me know if I'm doing something wrong :).

So, today I made a FC on a map which I found hard. I already knew that the current system pp will not give a lot of credit for this score (156 pp). So I didn't really care.

But then I go to syrin and found out that's this score is worth 285PP. Hum... What the heck ?

I really like syrin pp+, but something is wrong here I think lol.

Map : https://osu.ppy.sh/b/808226?m=0
Mod : DT
Diff : Insane
Accuracy : 93.75%
Combo : 387/390 (No sliderbreak)

Current pp system : https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/8115 ... 181240.png

Syrin pp+ system : https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/5203 ... 181338.png
DroidBass
154 posts
Joined December 2012
DroidBass

Vendar wrote:

Hi, not sure if that's the right place to post it, let me know if I'm doing something wrong :).

So, today I made a FC on a map which I found hard. I already knew that the current system pp will not give a lot of credit for this score (156 pp). So I didn't really care.

But then I go to syrin and found out that's this score is worth 285PP. Hum... What the heck ?

I really like syrin pp+, but something is wrong here I think lol.

Map : https://osu.ppy.sh/b/808226?m=0
Mod : DT
Diff : Insane
Accuracy : 93.75%
Combo : 387/390 (No sliderbreak)

Current pp system : https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/8115 ... 181240.png

Syrin pp+ system : https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/5203 ... 181338.png
Looks like it's giving you a lot of aim points because of Aim Flow. As I've seen 160 of Aim flow in a map is just a madness and really a lot considering it's the weirdest value of all kinds of aim. Also something in that map triggers an explode of Aim flow. In Official PP system Aim Flow value is not considered, also something looks wrong with syrin at there.

I guess that play should have a value of aproximately 185-215's PP wiith that accuracy, but no 285 PP lol. Apart judging the amount of sliders that map would not scale well from accuracy (or at least lower than most DT's) so the FC itself is overrated at Syrin. Something in those patterns triggers Aim Flow so hard which explains that lot of PP at Syrin.
[ Scarlet Red ]
379 posts
Joined September 2013
[ Scarlet Red ]
This is awesome I very much enjoy this!
DroidBass
154 posts
Joined December 2012
DroidBass
Someone can clean all the not legit players / score submitting from the pp+ data? I'm seeing a bit too many unlegit plays from people that are or banned or that their impressive score got just removed...

Just see the 6th position (player that was banned)
[Germany] BimSchlecht xi - FREEDOM DiVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] HD, FL 99.16% 757pp

Or the top 1 play by Super Sayain 4 (this one score got removed)
[GB] Super Sayain 4 Ayase Rie - Yuima-ru*World TVver. [Ultimate] HD, NC, FL 86.25% 886pp


Seems you will need to do periodical cleanse to the ladder boards of countries, top plays (and maybe) global ranking as well.
Hope this is not considered necroposting, since the last post was 8 months ago.
Jun Maeda
230 posts
Joined July 2016
Jun Maeda
dude.... cool owo
DroidBass
154 posts
Joined December 2012
DroidBass
Well, this seems it's out of feedback (at least at forums)... will comment about the case of Invictus Tiberius

This is his his profile in pp+ https://syrin.me/pp+/u/1290088/
This is his profile in osu https://osu.ppy.sh/u/Invictus%20Tiberius

He says that pp+ doesn't look friendly to him because his national rank is the same than in osu! but the list of his top performances is much worse than in the official ppv2 ranking.

He's a kind of brute force smasher with okey aim, but his most noticeable virtues is obviously is uncommon levels of stamina and speed being by most people the venezuelan player with best stamina and speed even if he mashes (literally) his laptop's keyboard.

Seems you over-nerfed stamina/aim flow in a very wrong way at making Reign of Fear value less than even the more farmable mostrata's Elmo and Cookie Monster - Cookie-Butter-Choco-Cookie which1 gives more pp's than Apocalyptica - Reign of Fear which not that many have done FC so far...
ThysGuy
17 posts
Joined January 2018
ThysGuy
Hi, sorry if this talk is closed, but i'm really interested in PPv2 and PP+ systems and would understand further how they work. Could any of you give me more precise informations about how are pp calculated for each map on PP+ and how PPv2 does ? I'm trying to do a comparison, in french, of both systems, but i didn't fine any quantitative informations about any of both systems, only qualtitative ones.
Thanks in advance!
PS : if any of you is interested, i also created a french discussion about this ( https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/872870 )
PPS : sorry if my englisch is hardly comprehensible...
Rain x Umbrella
1 post
Joined October 2018
Rain x Umbrella
yeah..
abraker
Global Moderator
8,327 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

ThysGuy wrote:

i'm really interested in PPv2 and PP+ systems and would understand further how they work. Could any of you give me more precise informations about how are pp calculated for each map on PP+ and how PPv2 does ?
For pp+, see this: https://twitter.com/KVerto/status/1095755533510950912

For ppv2 see this: https://github.com/ppy/osu-performance
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