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Penguin

Husa wrote:

he knows what i can do and wants to try kill me off before he gets find out?

Vote: Westonini
yikes... how should we break the news to husa?

Husa, the ropes already around your neck and there's no taking it off.
Husa
x_x
johnmedina999

Sakura wrote:

I'm not dead, i was at the hospital and then too tired to come here, enjoy the extended twilight for now.
Oh man, I hope everything's alright.
cravenfiner
oh extended twilight, and yeah hope youll be ok sakura
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.7
[LYNCH] Husa (4) - Death, cravenfiner, Penguin, Westonini
Westonini (1) - johnmedina999

Not Voting (1) - Husa
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Husa Town Seer has been lynched Day 2
Topic Starter
Sakura
It is now, Night 2. Deadline is 24 hours from this post.
Send me all your actions via PM, you may change your action as many times as you want before deadline, if i dont receive any action by deadline, it will count as No Action.
You may also PM me No Action to cancel your last submitted action
Topic Starter
Sakura
In addition if EVERY player with a night active action PMs me wanting to acceledate the night, night will end early.
Topic Starter
Sakura
No one has died Night 2

It is now Day 3, Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST

Vote Count 3.0
Not voting (5) - Penguin, Cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Death
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Death
Not sure how I'm not dead. But since you guys probably want to lynch me today. I can say with 99% certainty that the mafia is penguin, craven, or Westonini. Take that as you will.

Also, how are you gonna be a seer and not say anything all game....
Death
My guess is Penguin is definitely one due to how willing he was to lynch Husa after I first proposed him. After that would be Craven, but I won't rule Westonini out.

Vote: Penguin
cravenfiner
does that mean that you are an investigator or something? since you didnt say john was part of the mafia
Death
Either that mafia voted to not kill anyone last night (which would be really stupid), or they tried to kill john... and failed.

By admitting that I'm most likely going to die tonight. But since I was probably going to be lynched today anyway, it's worth it. Also if the mafia lose that would be great too.
cravenfiner
oh, wait, nevermind i see why you didnt include john in that i understand now
Penguin

Death wrote:

My guess is Penguin is definitely one due to how willing he was to lynch Husa after I first proposed him. After that would be Craven, but I won't rule Westonini out.
Regarding the husa vote, I was already suspicious of his lack of posts, so that's why I wasn't hesitant to start up a vote for him. Getting a vote out for him got the ball rolling and we got more information out of it. Saving my vote would help less so because more votes = more panic = more info.

It's pretty clear that John is town now since husa was town. I'm 100% sure of that.
Westonini

Death wrote:

Either that mafia voted to not kill anyone last night (which would be really stupid), or they tried to kill john... and failed.


Ah. I was confused as to why no one died. I guess I should google the roles again.

As soon as I saw Husa's role, I thought it was all over.
Penguin
so if mafia did attack and fail last night, then John is confirmed and I'd be fairly certain that death is town as well because of his "hint-hint nudge-nudge". There's no reason for mafia to hold their attack, so I'm pretty sure that Death and John are confirmed. It's possible that Death wanted to quick claim Doctor before the real doc did because he knew that he attacked someone who was healed. No one else has claimed doc though, so he's most likely a safe town.
johnmedina999
Hold on.

How come everyone's assuming that I was the target?
This is more for learning, I only have one other game under my belt.
Penguin

johnmedina999 wrote:

Hold on.

How come everyone's assuming that I was the target?
This is more for learning, I only have one other game under my belt.
My assumption was that Death healed you last night. That's what I interpreted from his post earlier. I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I guess I could be wrong?
Death

johnmedina999 wrote:

Hold on.

How come everyone's assuming that I was the target?
This is more for learning, I only have one other game under my belt.
I know you are town due to my role. And I also know you were the target last night for the same reason (unless mafia didn't target anyone, which is unlikely as I said before).

Penguin is assuming you are town purely because Husa was as well. Or maybe it is because they targeted you last night, who knows.
cravenfiner
oh i was thinking john was bulletproof
Penguin

Death wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

Hold on.

How come everyone's assuming that I was the target?
This is more for learning, I only have one other game under my belt.
Penguin is assuming you are town purely because Husa was as well. Or maybe it is because they targeted you last night, who knows.
I'm assuming he's town both because of husa and because I believe that you're doc and that you healed him.
Westonini
So to clarify, you're hinting that you're a doctor right?

Then you chose to heal John because he was the only one not to vote Husa, who was revealed to be a townie?
Death
Something like that
Westonini
I was always curious, Penguin how come you always believed that I was a townie? I always thought that it may have been because you were an investigator or something, since you started saying it more often after the first night phase. But apparently that was Husa's role so..

Was it really just a read? It seems like there wasn't one time that you doubted my innocence.
Penguin

Westonini wrote:

I was always curious, Penguin how come you always believed that I was a townie? I always thought that it may have been because you were an investigator or something, since you started saying it more often after the first night phase. But apparently that was Husa's role so..

Was it really just a read? It seems like there wasn't one time that you doubted my innocence.
It was a read for the most part. There were times where I doubted you being town though. I thought that you weren't mafia for the majority of yesterday because of the votes and how you had the chance to just end husa for a while (which you did end up doing abruptly). Seeing as how I believe Death and John to be town, it's pretty obvious you know that I suspect you and craven.

Your question here kinda seems like you're going to try and set me up for suspicion to be honest.
Westonini
Well assuming what we think happened during night really happened, that's really all we can do at this point. At the very least I was genuinely curious.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.1
[L-2]Penguin (1) - Death

Not voting (4) - cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
johnmedina999
If Death really is a doctor, then that only leaves Westonini, cravenfinder, and Penguin. Craven is the least spoken here, so he's a prime suspect; that leaves only Penguin and Westonini. If Death isn't a doctor, then [/i]someone[/i] had to be.
johnmedina999
Also, why did you decide to hammer Husa, Westo? Is it because you knew he was Town, and you would have won if a Doctor hadn't interfered?
cravenfiner
maybe he was just taking a chance, its all we really can do here

and i cant really defend myself when it comes to me being a suspect since i usually dont talk much, in real life mafia or online
Westonini

johnmedina999 wrote:

Also, why did you decide to hammer Husa, Westo? Is it because you knew he was Town, and you would have won if a Doctor hadn't interfered?


There wasn't any big reasons. It didn't seem like anything was going to change any time soon and Husa never really gave any points that felt reassuring to me. I gave them a chance to explain themselves but I wasn't too satisfied by what they said. I had some feelings that Husa was suspicious and others that made me think they were innocent. So with little time before the day ended, I just decided to go with the vote.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.2
[L-2]Penguin (1) - Death

Not voting (4) - cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
johnmedina999
To be perfectly honest, I don't know what to think anymore. You would think this late into the game there would be so much info that it would be 100% clear who is scum and who is not. But for some reason, I think it got harder to make that decision.
johnmedina999
Death is probably the guy who saved me, so I thank you for that.

Westonini has that hammer last in-game day which he explains is "I got bored". You don't just kill someone without hesitation like that. We still had some 12 hours before the deadline. But I digress.
Penguin gives me bad Mafia vibes but I don't have anything to back it up. He's trying really hard to come off as town, I think. But again, I have no dirt on him which would close the case.
cravenfinder has just not posted at all almost. idk. I want to suggest lynching him but if we fuck up one lynch from here on out we lose. He hasn't posted much and that's scummy but we saw last in-game day that this isn't always the case.

Again, I'm kind of at a crossroads here with no clear direction. I'm kind of freaking out right now >_<
Westonini

johnmedina999 wrote:

Westonini has that hammer last in-game day which he explains is "I got bored". You don't just kill someone without hesitation like that. We still had some 12 hours before the deadline. But I digress.


I mean I hesitated for days until I decided to actually vote for Husa. I was initially skeptical about the things they said. There were several things Husa said during the time that I waited, but regardless they still seemed the most suspicious to me out of everyone.
cravenfiner
just wanna correct a mistake ive been seeing with my name, it's cravenfiner, not cravenfinder
anyways
it might have to come down to who we think it is again since anything can be taken as suspicious and theres 3 suspects on the table
things arent looking that great for me since i havent posted much huh
johnmedina999

cravenfiner wrote:

just wanna correct a mistake ive been seeing with my name, it's cravenfiner, not cravenfinder
Oh, sorry about that, hehe. Didn't notice.

Westonini
me neither tbh

sorry.
Death
If penguin is mafia then abraker's read was pretty bad
Westonini
Are you talking about the one where he said "Ok got the reaction I wanted. Penguin is a safe town read"?

I'm honestly not sure what abraker's read back then was all about. I never bought that he was "drunk" and all his responses were so suspicious. I mean he ended up being a townie so maybe he actually was drunk? I mean it seemed like he just said that because he was trying to get Penguin off his back, but if that was the case the way he handled it really wasn't that great.
johnmedina999
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6966360

This is the best I can find to solve this. He posted this around the same time as the fight (15-16 days ago) and he posted "blue moon belgian white" which are alcohol. So maybe he was drunk?
johnmedina999
Which means we can't trust abraker's read.
Penguin

Westonini wrote:

I mean I hesitated for days until I decided to actually vote for Husa. I was initially skeptical about the things they said. There were several things Husa said during the time that I waited, but regardless they still seemed the most suspicious to me out of everyone.
That doesn't really mean much since it's a good play for mafia to do that anyways to come off as "indecisive" to act like town.

johnmedina999 wrote:

This is the best I can find to solve this. He posted this around the same time as the fight (15-16 days ago) and he posted "blue moon belgian white" which are alcohol. So maybe he was drunk?
To be fair, I can list off like 10-20 types of beer, it's not too difficult. I have no idea what abraker was thinking or what he was trying to do, so idk. In my opinion everything that abraker said is moot, especially since it was day 1 with no actual info besides reactions.
Penguin

johnmedina999 wrote:

Penguin gives me bad Mafia vibes but I don't have anything to back it up. He's trying really hard to come off as town, I think. But again, I have no dirt on him which would close the case.
I don't really get how explaining my thought process and my perspective is scummy.
cravenfiner

Westonini wrote:

I mean it seemed like he just said that because he was trying to get Penguin off his back, but if that was the case the way he handled it really wasn't that great.

I agree with westo here
johnmedina999
In what sense? You agree that abraker didn't handle it well? In that case, you would agree that abraker's read on Penguin isn't reliable.

Or do you agree that abraker was just being stupid?
cravenfiner
that abraker didnt handle it well
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.3
[L-2]Penguin (1) - Death

Not voting (4) - cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
Westonini
I don't think anyone considered abraker's read to be accurate, even back then.
johnmedina999
What other leads do we have?
Westonini
Maybe we could get some questions that craven, Penguin, and I all need to answer. And then whoever seems the most suspicious out of us three gets the boot? I dunno.
Death

Westonini wrote:

Maybe we could get some questions that craven, Penguin, and I all need to answer. And then whoever seems the most suspicious out of us three gets the boot? I dunno.
Not sure how that will prove anything. I really doubt we would be able to come up with anything good enough. Assuming there are two mafia (technically we still don't know whether or not this is the case?), we would then have two mafia coming up with questions for themselves to answer... In fact, that would most likely work against the town.
Westonini
Well if we did take that route, I was planning on making either you or John come up with some questions to ask. Since we're assuming you guys are both town.

It wouldn't really prove anything, it would just be a way of getting responses to get a better feel for a person. But I guess you guys already have your thoughts on everyone else from whats happened so far. Yeah I dunno I just kinda threw that idea out there since I'm not sure what else to talk about.
johnmedina999
Well, I guess it's fair game on who we lynch. Westonini is the only person who I have dirt on (even though he dispelled it pretty well last in-game day) so I'm going to vote for him for now. Probably gonna end up changing my vote though.

Vote: Westonini
Death
Very eventful thread recently.
Westonini
yeah...
cravenfiner
no idea what to do tbh
Topic Starter
Sakura
Penguin has been prodded
johnmedina999
To summarize the situation:

The vote is

1 on Penguin by Death
1 on Westonini by johnmedina999

We need to vote for someone or we lose. We have narrowed it down to three people, so it's a 2/3 chance to lynch Mafia. Westonini? Cravenfiner? Penguin? What do you guys think? Who do you want to vote for? Also, use this time to prove why you're not guilty, since all three of you are suspects.
cravenfiner
who ill vote for, im not sure

and to defend myself, im not sure how to do this, saying anything won’t really do much for me, i could try using my role to prove it but that’s too risky
Westonini
Well I'm not too sure what else to say to defend myself since everythings been said when John questioned me in the previous day. I mean if anyone has anything to ask me then I can try to answer it.

Also I just find it strange how Penguin is unusually quiet lately. Normally they talk quite frequently. Even with not much to talk about the rest of us have been at least communicating somewhat.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.4
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999

Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
Dialect
official mafia day is feb 23 now
Death

cravenfiner wrote:

who ill vote for, im not sure

and to defend myself, im not sure how to do this, saying anything won’t really do much for me, i could try using my role to prove it but that’s too risky
I've already outed my role, so how risky could it possibly be?

johnmedina999 wrote:

We need to vote for someone or we lose. We have narrowed it down to three people, so it's a 2/3 chance to lynch Mafia. Westonini? Cravenfiner? Penguin? What do you guys think? Who do you want to vote for? Also, use this time to prove why you're not guilty, since all three of you are suspects.
1/3 if there is only 1 mafia, again, we still technically don't know whether or not that is the case.
cravenfiner
i have a one-shot role and i dont wanna use it unless im 100% sure, and im not 100% sure
Death
one-shot mafia boss
cravenfiner
lvl 100 mafia boss, but only for a moment
Penguin

Westonini wrote:

Also I just find it strange how Penguin is unusually quiet lately. Normally they talk quite frequently. Even with not much to talk about the rest of us have been at least communicating somewhat.
I just haven't had anything to add to the discussion until now. It really seems like you've been trying to put suspicion on me though.

As far as who we should vote, I'm very confident that Death and John are town, so obviously I'm fine with voting Westo or craven if there's two mafia. I don't really know what the smartest play would be if we were to believe that there's only one mafia.
Westonini

Penguin wrote:

It really seems like you've been trying to put suspicion on me though.


Well I don't exactly want to, but if Death & John are both town and there are two mafia members then I already know who they are. Although if there really is only one mafioso that complicates things a bit more.
Westonini
I've also been thinking, if Penguin and Craven really are both mafia members they both could have quickly voted me back-to-back since it only required two more votes to lynch me. But its been over 24 hours and that hasn't happened. There are some possible answers to this.

1. There's only one mafia member
2. They'd have to both vote me quickly one after the other else John could unvote and it might make them seem suspicious
3. Somehow we got our information wrong and neither Craven nor Penguin are mafia. In that case there'd be something that we aren't seeing
Death
4. You are mafia

You left that one out.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Less than 72 hours left
Westonini

Death wrote:

4. You are mafia

You left that one out.


Heh, I knew someone would bring that up.

That was coming from my perspective anyways. You're free to interpret that situation however you want of course.
Death
Well, we only have a short amount of time left. And if we don't vote for anyone, mafia is probably going to win. So I'm going to assume anyone that doesn't vote is a mafioso. I think it would be a smart idea to for the rest of the town to assume the same thing.

At the very least, that should get everyone to vote for someone.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.5
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999

Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
johnmedina999
We have two days left.

Death, do you want to lynch penguin? If so, I can change my vote, and we would only need one more for hammer.
Westonini
Well if we have no objections that Death/John are town I only have two other people to vote for.

John already requested some time ago that we all say what we can to defend ourselves, so I won't wait around for that anymore.

Vote: Craven

I'll just leave this here for now. I can always change it if need be.
cravenfiner
im 99% sure death and john are town, havent seen any arguements against them and they seem safe to me

sorry westo
https://gyazo.com/a430ab2296b9fc8bcae143d231a05793
is it bad that i relied on a wheel to make a decision

Vote: Westonini
Topic Starter
Sakura

cravenfiner wrote:

https://gyazo.com/a430ab2296b9fc8bcae143d231a05793
is it bad that i relied on a wheel to make a decision

Sakura wrote:

Rules:
- Do not use any form of provable randomness, saying that you flipped a coin and acted on that is fine, proving that you flipped said coin is not.
This is a warning but please dont do that again.
cravenfiner
sorry, again
i forgot, again
Penguin
vote: westo
Westonini
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.FINAL
[LYNCH] Westonini (3) - johnmedina999, cravenfiner, Penguin
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] cravenfiner (1) - Westonini

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST
Topic Starter
Sakura
Westonini Vanilla Townie has been Lynched Day 3
Death Town Weak Jailkeeper has been endgamed
johnmedina999 Vanilla Townie has been endgamed

cravenfiner Mafia 1-Shot Governor has survived and won
Penguin Mafia Goon has survived and won

The Mafia wins the game!
Topic Starter
Sakura
Night 1
Death No Action
Penguin Kills GuyInFreezer (GuyInFreezer dies)
GuyInFreezer Vaporizes abraker (abraker dies)
Husa No Action

Night 2
Death Imprisons johnmedina999 (johnmedina999 is roleblocked and protected)
Penguin kills johnmedina999 (failed)
Topic Starter
Sakura
Dead QT
Mod QT
Mafia may release their own QT at their own discretion.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Everyone's free to post in thread now, Game Over
abraker
where da links?
abraker
Also town sucks so much

you had a miracle happen and you still fucked it up

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
Westonini
yea as soon as i got a vote from someone who I believed wasn't one of the mafia members i thought it was over.
abraker
town had like a million clues to go by and you were blind to all of them

how even?
abraker
here is death chat from first post: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KWZ4EA4NwEx3f/p-1.-1
Topic Starter
Sakura
Post-Game analysis
First of all, day 1 should've never ended in a No Lynch, No Lynch denies information which is used to find scum, granted the game starting at evens and with 3 scum wasnt exactly an easy setup to begin with.
Second, dont forget to submit night actions, Death being worried from dying is understandable, but the Town Seer (who was useless since no werewolves) should've at least tried to get some information.
Third, If you strongly believe there's 2 groupscum remaining, then you should've noticed that Penguin not getting insta QH'd meant he or Death was scum, and should've been an easy lynch there since Penguin never counter claimed Death (the only way he can 1v1 Death), dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini who could've been sorted the next day.

Granted I dont know what you guys were thinking, some of you are new and all, plus Great Idea Mafia is hard to predict so at least hope you guys learned for next time.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Last, hope you all had fun, but if you were as lost as you looked, this might not have been a good idea for a newbie game, newbies need at least some experienced players to guide them, and idea games are kinda... crazy.
Westonini
yea it was fun

yea im retarded
Topic Starter
Sakura

Sakura wrote:

If you're new check these out:
Gameplay basics: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/62209
New player guide: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/189774


I also put these here to help newbies, but dont know if anyone read them.
Westonini
what the fuck how did i overlook that
johnmedina999
Oh shit

I'm sorry, Westo. I suspected you from the start but you were innocent >_<

Penguin was good tho
Death
What do you mean, "dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini"?? The lynch shifted to Westo because john voted for him randomly and then the rest of the mafia eliminated him (which they could have done a while ago).
Westonini
Honestly thats why I was so confused. As soon as I got the vote from John I thought immediately I'd get lynched by the other two. But that took a long time to actually happen.
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