To be perfectly honest, I don't know what to think anymore. You would think this late into the game there would be so much info that it would be 100% clear who is scum and who is not. But for some reason, I think it got harder to make that decision.
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Death is probably the guy who saved me, so I thank you for that.
Westonini has that hammer last in-game day which he explains is "I got bored". You don't just kill someone without hesitation like that. We still had some 12 hours before the deadline. But I digress.
Penguin gives me bad Mafia vibes but I don't have anything to back it up. He's trying really hard to come off as town, I think. But again, I have no dirt on him which would close the case.
cravenfinder has just not posted at all almost. idk. I want to suggest lynching him but if we fuck up one lynch from here on out we lose. He hasn't posted much and that's scummy but we saw last in-game day that this isn't always the case.
Again, I'm kind of at a crossroads here with no clear direction. I'm kind of freaking out right now >_<
Westonini has that hammer last in-game day which he explains is "I got bored". You don't just kill someone without hesitation like that. We still had some 12 hours before the deadline. But I digress.
Penguin gives me bad Mafia vibes but I don't have anything to back it up. He's trying really hard to come off as town, I think. But again, I have no dirt on him which would close the case.
cravenfinder has just not posted at all almost. idk. I want to suggest lynching him but if we fuck up one lynch from here on out we lose. He hasn't posted much and that's scummy but we saw last in-game day that this isn't always the case.
Again, I'm kind of at a crossroads here with no clear direction. I'm kind of freaking out right now >_<
johnmedina999 wrote:
Westonini has that hammer last in-game day which he explains is "I got bored". You don't just kill someone without hesitation like that. We still had some 12 hours before the deadline. But I digress.
I mean I hesitated for days until I decided to actually vote for Husa. I was initially skeptical about the things they said. There were several things Husa said during the time that I waited, but regardless they still seemed the most suspicious to me out of everyone.
just wanna correct a mistake ive been seeing with my name, it's cravenfiner, not cravenfinder
anyways
it might have to come down to who we think it is again since anything can be taken as suspicious and theres 3 suspects on the table
things arent looking that great for me since i havent posted much huh
anyways
it might have to come down to who we think it is again since anything can be taken as suspicious and theres 3 suspects on the table
things arent looking that great for me since i havent posted much huh
Oh, sorry about that, hehe. Didn't notice.cravenfiner wrote:
just wanna correct a mistake ive been seeing with my name, it's cravenfiner, not cravenfinder
If penguin is mafia then abraker's read was pretty bad
Are you talking about the one where he said "Ok got the reaction I wanted. Penguin is a safe town read"?
I'm honestly not sure what abraker's read back then was all about. I never bought that he was "drunk" and all his responses were so suspicious. I mean he ended up being a townie so maybe he actually was drunk? I mean it seemed like he just said that because he was trying to get Penguin off his back, but if that was the case the way he handled it really wasn't that great.
I'm honestly not sure what abraker's read back then was all about. I never bought that he was "drunk" and all his responses were so suspicious. I mean he ended up being a townie so maybe he actually was drunk? I mean it seemed like he just said that because he was trying to get Penguin off his back, but if that was the case the way he handled it really wasn't that great.
https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/6966360
This is the best I can find to solve this. He posted this around the same time as the fight (15-16 days ago) and he posted "blue moon belgian white" which are alcohol. So maybe he was drunk?
This is the best I can find to solve this. He posted this around the same time as the fight (15-16 days ago) and he posted "blue moon belgian white" which are alcohol. So maybe he was drunk?
Which means we can't trust abraker's read.
That doesn't really mean much since it's a good play for mafia to do that anyways to come off as "indecisive" to act like town.Westonini wrote:
I mean I hesitated for days until I decided to actually vote for Husa. I was initially skeptical about the things they said. There were several things Husa said during the time that I waited, but regardless they still seemed the most suspicious to me out of everyone.
To be fair, I can list off like 10-20 types of beer, it's not too difficult. I have no idea what abraker was thinking or what he was trying to do, so idk. In my opinion everything that abraker said is moot, especially since it was day 1 with no actual info besides reactions.johnmedina999 wrote:
This is the best I can find to solve this. He posted this around the same time as the fight (15-16 days ago) and he posted "blue moon belgian white" which are alcohol. So maybe he was drunk?
I don't really get how explaining my thought process and my perspective is scummy.johnmedina999 wrote:
Penguin gives me bad Mafia vibes but I don't have anything to back it up. He's trying really hard to come off as town, I think. But again, I have no dirt on him which would close the case.
Westonini wrote:
I mean it seemed like he just said that because he was trying to get Penguin off his back, but if that was the case the way he handled it really wasn't that great.
I agree with westo here
In what sense? You agree that abraker didn't handle it well? In that case, you would agree that abraker's read on Penguin isn't reliable.
Or do you agree that abraker was just being stupid?
Or do you agree that abraker was just being stupid?
that abraker didnt handle it well
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Vote Count 3.3
[L-2]Penguin (1) - Death
Not voting (4) - cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM ESTNot voting (4) - cravenfiner, Westonini, johnmedina999, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
I don't think anyone considered abraker's read to be accurate, even back then.
What other leads do we have?
Maybe we could get some questions that craven, Penguin, and I all need to answer. And then whoever seems the most suspicious out of us three gets the boot? I dunno.
Not sure how that will prove anything. I really doubt we would be able to come up with anything good enough. Assuming there are two mafia (technically we still don't know whether or not this is the case?), we would then have two mafia coming up with questions for themselves to answer... In fact, that would most likely work against the town.Westonini wrote:
Maybe we could get some questions that craven, Penguin, and I all need to answer. And then whoever seems the most suspicious out of us three gets the boot? I dunno.
Well if we did take that route, I was planning on making either you or John come up with some questions to ask. Since we're assuming you guys are both town.
It wouldn't really prove anything, it would just be a way of getting responses to get a better feel for a person. But I guess you guys already have your thoughts on everyone else from whats happened so far. Yeah I dunno I just kinda threw that idea out there since I'm not sure what else to talk about.
It wouldn't really prove anything, it would just be a way of getting responses to get a better feel for a person. But I guess you guys already have your thoughts on everyone else from whats happened so far. Yeah I dunno I just kinda threw that idea out there since I'm not sure what else to talk about.
Well, I guess it's fair game on who we lynch. Westonini is the only person who I have dirt on (even though he dispelled it pretty well last in-game day) so I'm going to vote for him for now. Probably gonna end up changing my vote though.
Vote: Westonini
Vote: Westonini
Very eventful thread recently.
no idea what to do tbh
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Penguin has been prodded
To summarize the situation:
The vote is
We need to vote for someone or we lose. We have narrowed it down to three people, so it's a 2/3 chance to lynch Mafia. Westonini? Cravenfiner? Penguin? What do you guys think? Who do you want to vote for? Also, use this time to prove why you're not guilty, since all three of you are suspects.
The vote is
1 on Penguin by Death
1 on Westonini by johnmedina999
1 on Westonini by johnmedina999
We need to vote for someone or we lose. We have narrowed it down to three people, so it's a 2/3 chance to lynch Mafia. Westonini? Cravenfiner? Penguin? What do you guys think? Who do you want to vote for? Also, use this time to prove why you're not guilty, since all three of you are suspects.
who ill vote for, im not sure
and to defend myself, im not sure how to do this, saying anything won’t really do much for me, i could try using my role to prove it but that’s too risky
and to defend myself, im not sure how to do this, saying anything won’t really do much for me, i could try using my role to prove it but that’s too risky
Well I'm not too sure what else to say to defend myself since everythings been said when John questioned me in the previous day. I mean if anyone has anything to ask me then I can try to answer it.
Also I just find it strange how Penguin is unusually quiet lately. Normally they talk quite frequently. Even with not much to talk about the rest of us have been at least communicating somewhat.
Also I just find it strange how Penguin is unusually quiet lately. Normally they talk quite frequently. Even with not much to talk about the rest of us have been at least communicating somewhat.
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Vote Count 3.4
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999
Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999
Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
official mafia day is feb 23 now
I've already outed my role, so how risky could it possibly be?cravenfiner wrote:
who ill vote for, im not sure
and to defend myself, im not sure how to do this, saying anything won’t really do much for me, i could try using my role to prove it but that’s too risky
1/3 if there is only 1 mafia, again, we still technically don't know whether or not that is the case.johnmedina999 wrote:
We need to vote for someone or we lose. We have narrowed it down to three people, so it's a 2/3 chance to lynch Mafia. Westonini? Cravenfiner? Penguin? What do you guys think? Who do you want to vote for? Also, use this time to prove why you're not guilty, since all three of you are suspects.
i have a one-shot role and i dont wanna use it unless im 100% sure, and im not 100% sure
one-shot mafia boss
lvl 100 mafia boss, but only for a moment
I just haven't had anything to add to the discussion until now. It really seems like you've been trying to put suspicion on me though.Westonini wrote:
Also I just find it strange how Penguin is unusually quiet lately. Normally they talk quite frequently. Even with not much to talk about the rest of us have been at least communicating somewhat.
As far as who we should vote, I'm very confident that Death and John are town, so obviously I'm fine with voting Westo or craven if there's two mafia. I don't really know what the smartest play would be if we were to believe that there's only one mafia.
Penguin wrote:
It really seems like you've been trying to put suspicion on me though.
Well I don't exactly want to, but if Death & John are both town and there are two mafia members then I already know who they are. Although if there really is only one mafioso that complicates things a bit more.
I've also been thinking, if Penguin and Craven really are both mafia members they both could have quickly voted me back-to-back since it only required two more votes to lynch me. But its been over 24 hours and that hasn't happened. There are some possible answers to this.
1. There's only one mafia member
2. They'd have to both vote me quickly one after the other else John could unvote and it might make them seem suspicious
3. Somehow we got our information wrong and neither Craven nor Penguin are mafia. In that case there'd be something that we aren't seeing
1. There's only one mafia member
2. They'd have to both vote me quickly one after the other else John could unvote and it might make them seem suspicious
3. Somehow we got our information wrong and neither Craven nor Penguin are mafia. In that case there'd be something that we aren't seeing
4. You are mafia
You left that one out.
You left that one out.
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Less than 72 hours left
Death wrote:
4. You are mafia
You left that one out.
Heh, I knew someone would bring that up.
That was coming from my perspective anyways. You're free to interpret that situation however you want of course.
Well, we only have a short amount of time left. And if we don't vote for anyone, mafia is probably going to win. So I'm going to assume anyone that doesn't vote is a mafioso. I think it would be a smart idea to for the rest of the town to assume the same thing.
At the very least, that should get everyone to vote for someone.
At the very least, that should get everyone to vote for someone.
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Vote Count 3.5
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999
Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST[L-2] Westonini (1) - johnmedina999
Not voting (3) - cravenfiner, Westonini, Penguin
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
We have two days left.
Death, do you want to lynch penguin? If so, I can change my vote, and we would only need one more for hammer.
Death, do you want to lynch penguin? If so, I can change my vote, and we would only need one more for hammer.
Well if we have no objections that Death/John are town I only have two other people to vote for.
John already requested some time ago that we all say what we can to defend ourselves, so I won't wait around for that anymore.
Vote: Craven
I'll just leave this here for now. I can always change it if need be.
John already requested some time ago that we all say what we can to defend ourselves, so I won't wait around for that anymore.
Vote: Craven
I'll just leave this here for now. I can always change it if need be.
im 99% sure death and john are town, havent seen any arguements against them and they seem safe to me
sorry westo
https://gyazo.com/a430ab2296b9fc8bcae143d231a05793
is it bad that i relied on a wheel to make a decision
Vote: Westonini
sorry westo
https://gyazo.com/a430ab2296b9fc8bcae143d231a05793
is it bad that i relied on a wheel to make a decision
Vote: Westonini
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cravenfiner wrote:
https://gyazo.com/a430ab2296b9fc8bcae143d231a05793
is it bad that i relied on a wheel to make a decision
This is a warning but please dont do that again.Sakura wrote:
Rules:
- Do not use any form of provable randomness, saying that you flipped a coin and acted on that is fine, proving that you flipped said coin is not.
sorry, again
i forgot, again
i forgot, again
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Vote Count 3.FINAL
[LYNCH] Westonini (3) - johnmedina999, cravenfiner, Penguin
[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] cravenfiner (1) - Westonini
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 23rd: 10:08 PM EST[L-2] Penguin (1) - Death
[L-2] cravenfiner (1) - Westonini
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
Topic Starter
Westonini Vanilla Townie has been Lynched Day 3
Death Town Weak Jailkeeper has been endgamed
johnmedina999 Vanilla Townie has been endgamed
cravenfiner Mafia 1-Shot Governor has survived and won
Penguin Mafia Goon has survived and won
The Mafia wins the game!
Death Town Weak Jailkeeper has been endgamed
johnmedina999 Vanilla Townie has been endgamed
cravenfiner Mafia 1-Shot Governor has survived and won
Penguin Mafia Goon has survived and won
The Mafia wins the game!
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Night 1
Death No Action
Penguin Kills GuyInFreezer (GuyInFreezer dies)
GuyInFreezer Vaporizes abraker (abraker dies)
Husa No Action
Night 2
Death Imprisons johnmedina999 (johnmedina999 is roleblocked and protected)
Penguin kills johnmedina999 (failed)
Death No Action
Penguin Kills GuyInFreezer (GuyInFreezer dies)
GuyInFreezer Vaporizes abraker (abraker dies)
Husa No Action
Night 2
Death Imprisons johnmedina999 (johnmedina999 is roleblocked and protected)
Penguin kills johnmedina999 (failed)
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Everyone's free to post in thread now, Game Over
where da links?
Also town sucks so much
you had a miracle happen and you still fucked it up
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
you had a miracle happen and you still fucked it up
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK
yea as soon as i got a vote from someone who I believed wasn't one of the mafia members i thought it was over.
town had like a million clues to go by and you were blind to all of them
how even?
how even?
here is death chat from first post: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/KWZ4EA4NwEx3f/p-1.-1
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Post-Game analysis
First of all, day 1 should've never ended in a No Lynch, No Lynch denies information which is used to find scum, granted the game starting at evens and with 3 scum wasnt exactly an easy setup to begin with.
Second, dont forget to submit night actions, Death being worried from dying is understandable, but the Town Seer (who was useless since no werewolves) should've at least tried to get some information.
Third, If you strongly believe there's 2 groupscum remaining, then you should've noticed that Penguin not getting insta QH'd meant he or Death was scum, and should've been an easy lynch there since Penguin never counter claimed Death (the only way he can 1v1 Death), dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini who could've been sorted the next day.
Granted I dont know what you guys were thinking, some of you are new and all, plus Great Idea Mafia is hard to predict so at least hope you guys learned for next time.
First of all, day 1 should've never ended in a No Lynch, No Lynch denies information which is used to find scum, granted the game starting at evens and with 3 scum wasnt exactly an easy setup to begin with.
Second, dont forget to submit night actions, Death being worried from dying is understandable, but the Town Seer (who was useless since no werewolves) should've at least tried to get some information.
Third, If you strongly believe there's 2 groupscum remaining, then you should've noticed that Penguin not getting insta QH'd meant he or Death was scum, and should've been an easy lynch there since Penguin never counter claimed Death (the only way he can 1v1 Death), dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini who could've been sorted the next day.
Granted I dont know what you guys were thinking, some of you are new and all, plus Great Idea Mafia is hard to predict so at least hope you guys learned for next time.
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Last, hope you all had fun, but if you were as lost as you looked, this might not have been a good idea for a newbie game, newbies need at least some experienced players to guide them, and idea games are kinda... crazy.
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Sakura wrote:
If you're new check these out:
Gameplay basics: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/62209
New player guide: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/189774
I also put these here to help newbies, but dont know if anyone read them.
Oh shit
I'm sorry, Westo. I suspected you from the start but you were innocent >_<
Penguin was good tho
I'm sorry, Westo. I suspected you from the start but you were innocent >_<
Penguin was good tho
What do you mean, "dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini"?? The lynch shifted to Westo because john voted for him randomly and then the rest of the mafia eliminated him (which they could have done a while ago).
Honestly thats why I was so confused. As soon as I got the vote from John I thought immediately I'd get lynched by the other two. But that took a long time to actually happen.
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Ah yes, i mean the lynch should've been a 1v1 between you and Penguin, dunno how Westonini even got voted.Death wrote:
What do you mean, "dunno how the lynch shifted to Westonini"?? The lynch shifted to Westo because john voted for him randomly and then the rest of the mafia eliminated him (which they could have done a while ago).
That's how LyLo usually works, but idk if you guys thought there might've been only 1 mafia or what, so yeah, idk what went through your heads, idea games arent exactly great for introducing ppl imo.
at that point I have no idea why mafia hesitated. Prob waiting for critical point, but still. That was the most retarded vote
Thank you very much for hosting, Sakura!Sakura wrote:
Last, hope you all had fun, but if you were as lost as you looked, this might not have been a good idea for a newbie game, newbies need at least some experienced players to guide them, and idea games are kinda... crazy.
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No day chat makes QH coordination harder, but i was 100% sure town lost at that vote, until i had to prod Penguin lol.Westonini wrote:
Honestly thats why I was so confused. As soon as I got the vote from John I thought immediately I'd get lynched by the other two. But that took a long time to actually happen.
You should have timed john's posting and said it. I would be freaking out if I were youWestonini wrote:
Honestly thats why I was so confused. As soon as I got the vote from John I thought immediately I'd get lynched by the other two. But that took a long time to actually happen.
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The funny thing is when Penguin was being voted on LyLo while conftowning his voter i was like "Welp penguin fucked up, coz he cant CC now" funny how that ended upjohnmedina999 wrote:
Oh shit
I'm sorry, Westo. I suspected you from the start but you were innocent >_<
Penguin was good tho
abraker wrote:
You should have timed john's posting and said it. I would be freaking out if I were you
Yeah I was freaking out. But I thinking maybe John was using it as bait to see who would vote for me, then John would unvote.
Don't assume anything. You don't know
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Ok so here's a thing.
When town is in LYLO any townie voting any townie means town loses, variance dependent on how fast scum QHs and whether town unvotes before a QH happens.
I admit there was the possibility of it not being LYLO yet, which means there was 1 scum, and it's a possibility that could've crossed your minds.
So when town is in LYLO, if 2 people are voting each other (or one of them voting the other), generally the path to win (for town), is to wait for a QH (on 3 way lylo, lack of hammer means conftown on the non voting player), if no QH happens, then that means that either A) scum cant coordinate for some reason, or B) one of the voting parties is scum, this leads to a 1 v 1 between the voting players, because one of them is guaranteed scum, and is town's job to figure out who and then vote them out.
When town is in LYLO any townie voting any townie means town loses, variance dependent on how fast scum QHs and whether town unvotes before a QH happens.
I admit there was the possibility of it not being LYLO yet, which means there was 1 scum, and it's a possibility that could've crossed your minds.
So when town is in LYLO, if 2 people are voting each other (or one of them voting the other), generally the path to win (for town), is to wait for a QH (on 3 way lylo, lack of hammer means conftown on the non voting player), if no QH happens, then that means that either A) scum cant coordinate for some reason, or B) one of the voting parties is scum, this leads to a 1 v 1 between the voting players, because one of them is guaranteed scum, and is town's job to figure out who and then vote them out.
It's a possibility that I mentioned more than once...Sakura wrote:
I admit there was the possibility of it not being LYLO yet, which means there was 1 scum, and it's a possibility that could've crossed your minds.
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Onto other things:
Husa not claiming when being lynched was wtf really, but maybe they didnt know they could do that?, you cant copy paste your role PM, but you're free to claim any role either your own, or any fake one, at any time you deem necessary.
Also surprised no one questioned the fact that Husa admitting not submitting an action made them less likely to be scum, otherwise if they are solo scum who the f killed ppl, and if they are groupscum, their partner could've helped them take a night action.
Husa not claiming when being lynched was wtf really, but maybe they didnt know they could do that?, you cant copy paste your role PM, but you're free to claim any role either your own, or any fake one, at any time you deem necessary.
Also surprised no one questioned the fact that Husa admitting not submitting an action made them less likely to be scum, otherwise if they are solo scum who the f killed ppl, and if they are groupscum, their partner could've helped them take a night action.
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Yeah Great Idea Mafia makes it hard to predict anything. I went for it due to the ability to adapt to any player sizeDeath wrote:
It's a possibility that I mentioned more than once...Sakura wrote:
I admit there was the possibility of it not being LYLO yet, which means there was 1 scum, and it's a possibility that could've crossed your minds.
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I really would like to NOT have to worry about how many ppl are gonna play so i can run any setup with a fixed ammount of players, but unfortunately as you can see, not only I got a player dropping out at the start, some players had trouble keeping up with posting once every 48 hours and one of them ended up getting prodded and replaced, heck, i was worried i wouldnt even find a replacement, thanks a lot for replacing in btw john.
But that shows that it's very hard to even get to 9p reliably, and with such uncertainty i dont want to host a game that may end up like this one: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
But that shows that it's very hard to even get to 9p reliably, and with such uncertainty i dont want to host a game that may end up like this one: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/625397
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Oh also
For the love of god, dont post in a game thread that is still in progress if you arent part of the game.
For the love of god, dont post in a game thread that is still in progress if you arent part of the game.
Yeah, I realized this and I almost claimed the doc/heal claim on John, but I decided not to hoping that no one would notice.Sakura wrote:
Post-Game analysis
Third, If you strongly believe there's 2 groupscum remaining, then you should've noticed that Penguin not getting insta QH'd meant he or Death was scum, and should've been an easy lynch there since Penguin never counter claimed Death (the only way he can 1v1 Death)
johnmedina999 wrote:
Penguin was good tho
Westonini wrote:
Honestly thats why I was so confused. As soon as I got the vote from John I thought immediately I'd get lynched by the other two. But that took a long time to actually happen.
I was thinking that john was camping the thread waiting for the first vote on you, then he would unvote and everyone else vote the person who voted you. I was a little scared so that's why I waited to vote if craven did.abraker wrote:
at that point I have no idea why mafia hesitated. Prob waiting for critical point, but still. That was the most retarded vote
ty sakura for hosting!! was tons of fun!
you had this 100% rightabraker wrote:
I bet penguin is waiting on craven to show up and vote. Penguin is always around posting in the Necro thread so there would be around an hour delay after craven if craven goes first. John has been posting more often there too, so it's a gamble if John will react fast enough to unvote.
I was working so I couldn't reply "yes" to the post where john asked me if I wanted him to switch his vote to Penguin. Quite unfortunate.
If there will be another mafia game, I would aim for around May/June when school will be ending for most, and summer vacation starting.
ripDeath wrote:
I was working so I couldn't reply "yes" to the post where john asked me if I wanted him to switch his vote to Penguin. Quite unfortunate.
I didn't notice the craven vote either. I would changed my vote if I did.
would have*
:'(abraker in quicktopic wrote:
Either John thinks he is fast or completely overlooked it. I am willing to bet the latter.
Well, it was fun playing with you all. Thanks again for hosting, Sakura.
Topic Starter
You're all learning, just use this as a learning experience