There are many issues with the rules proposed, both in edge cases and that they imply that the bg of many past maps would be no longer suitable. It's not an excuse that those backgrounds slipped past the rules. They "slipped" through because they were intentionally allowed to go through. Nobody saw them as nsfw prior. I can't stress this enough: By bringing attention to the individual cases you suddenly change perspective from something that was acceptable to something that no longer is. Nobody bats an eye until someone changes the narrative in how the content is portrayed in the images. By including all of these examples you suddenly muddy up the waters to the point this becomes a catastrophic mess.
Ephemeral wrote:
the Miller test is good, but we still run into the issue of determining what does and doesn't satisfy its particular components. proving 'patent offense' without explicit examples and lengthy catalogues of legal precedent is difficult - it may work for the US supreme court, but it isn't going to for us.
hence, the listed rules/guidelines. what I am interested in foremost from this topic is discussion regarding whether:
- the suitability of the points listed in the draft re: appropriateness in visual content
- broad discussion whether these guidelines/rules are even needed at all, and if not, how we can approach the topic of consistency in these content rulings
Then how do you suppose you would objectively argue the suitability of the points you proposed? You need to provide examples (within reason of current rules and what was allowed) that violate the proposed points and state why you believe or do not believe the examples are appropriate for this community, and hence validating or invalidating the rule. Otherwise any statement that challenges anything you proposed will devolve into a subjective circlejerk, with one person believing one thing is appropriate and the other person believing otherwise and no means to argue other than what they believe. In one way or another if you want this to proceed constructively you need some sort of framework on how to approach this.
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I went through some 50 pages of older ranked beatmaps to gather examples that could or do violate some of the proposed points and examples stated. I believe these will allow a starting point to allow us to decide how the proposed points should be adjusted. I believe common sense is not an excuse as it's subjective and a hand wave in general, and we need to objectively decide why something should be allowed or not allowed. Some examples don't necessarily violate the rule, but you can see how one may think they violate something due to misinterpretation of rules or by just flat out assumption. Whether some modders decide to be edgy and challenge the mapper, or whether it's a legitimate case, it might give a sense on what the submissions would be, how many submissions from mappers to BN there might be, and what the Global Moderation team might be dealing with if and when this passes.
Depictions of excessive violence towards humans, human-like characters or animals
- Example: imagery that portrays gore, mutilation, severe maiming, wounding or graphical depictions of recent death with an obvious cause present (etc: hanging, asphyxiation, exasanguination/bleeding out)
Imagery of mild to moderate violence without excessive gore or bloodshed
- Good example: Two characters from a boxing anime actively fighting one another with bruises, swelling, and some blood present
- Unacceptable example: A sword fighter removing a limb from an opponent's body with much blood present
So how does the bg in this map fit in this? It portrays bleeding out with symbolic graphical depictions of recent death (shot to the head)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/508572Depictions of any sexual content involving or targeted at minors, or fantasy characters of uncertain/dubious age
- Example: Any form of overt sexual posturing, innuendo or portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style, regardless of their established narrative age
Depictions of swimsuit or 'scant' dress/undress so long as such imagery is not highly excessive or in violation of the posturing & innuendo rules listed above
- Good example: A particularly busty anime character enjoying some time on a dock with her seagull companion
- Unacceptable example: Three very busty anime characters wearing similar swimsuits with their breasts poised in obvious presentation, with said imagery occupying more than a third of the image's total scene
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/19628 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/24662 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/24315 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style/excessive or in violation of the posturing
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/22699 - possible violation of the posturing
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/22218 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/21155 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/15973 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/14036 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style/excessive or in violation of the posturing
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/14428 - portrayal from an anime character in the 'loli' style/excessive or in violation of the posturing
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/12920 - Some can argue attire (just throwing this into the mix)
Depiction of obviously artistic nudity within the context of a given work or domain
- Good example: Pairing classic Salvador Dali art containing mild nudity to a work cited to be inspired by said piece, or that otherwise houses an obvious, discernible reference to it
- Bad example: Using a nude model or figure with a work that has no obvious link to the piece, such as on an unrelated anime opening or ending theme
So would this then allow the bg schoolboy previously used in his map
Legend of Genesis?