DJ Totoriott - Chronoxia [CatchTheBeat] · forum

Kurokami

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Joined February 2010

Kurokami 2017-04-22T20:53:20+00:00

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osu file format v14

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[Editor]
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[Metadata]
Title:Chronoxia
TitleUnicode:Chronoxia
Artist:DJ Totoriott
ArtistUnicode:DJ Totoriott
Creator:Kyuare
Version:Kurokami's Rain
Source:REFLEC BEAT groovin'!!
Tags:CLSW WildOne94 JBHyperion Kurokami Furely konami bemani totto
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Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Deif 2017-04-23T11:21:08+00:00

It's over!

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,885 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-04-23T11:44:35+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
Where is that champagne?

Yumeno Himiko

Elite Storyboarder

1,168 posts

Joined August 2012

Yumeno Himiko 2017-04-23T11:50:54+00:00

It happens!

Nelly

Beatmap Nominator

1,533 posts

Joined August 2014

Nelly 2017-04-23T12:03:45+00:00

Its happening

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-04-23T14:00:51+00:00

yatta

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,252 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-04-23T20:26:57+00:00

Here we go!

I wanna preface this by saying the following: Making only the top difficulty in a mapset with this many difficulties is incredibly lazy. You're a good mapper, so why are you limiting your potential by putting the most minimal amount of effort into your maps?

You guys can't honestly tell me that this map passed the way things are snapped. Listen around 00:22:563 - at 25% speed. None of it sounds accurate in the slightest LOL.. Stuff like 00:23:104 (4,5,6) - sounds like it should be snapped to 1/8... the offset is so bad it's unbearable.

Without adjusting offset or anything, let's take a look at some issues in the top difficulty:

To start, the distance of the triplets like 00:03:229 (1,2,3) - and 00:03:563 (4,5,6) - are inconsistent. Why? Having varying distances when the music stays the same is only confusing to the player and can throw people off when there is constant variation.
00:06:563 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Inconsistent. In all the other places with this sound, you use hyperdash chains to connect the sounds. Nothing changes in the music, so why change it here?
00:13:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - More inconsistency. Nothing changes, yet you've changed the pattern to have less emphasis.
00:31:229 (5,6) - If you plan on doing a hyperchain like you did between 00:31:479 (6,7) - , then you'll need to move 00:31:229 (5) - to the left a bit.
00:32:063 (2) - nooooooooooooooooooooo why this? the vertical slider creates such a bad flowbreak here T_T... Tilt it to the right or something so there's some enhancement in the flow at least
01:19:063 (4,1) - another vertical pattern that creates awkward and harsh flow. Making 01:19:063 (4) - fully horizontal or at least tilted more towards horizontal would be really nice
01:19:729 (4,1) - a bit better, but more tilt would be much nicer.
Okay, going to be brutally honest here, the kiai feels really random to me. I'll point out a couple patterns, but the concepts apply to pretty much the entirety of the kiai.
01:22:563 (1,2,3,4) - Plays really badly for a couple reasons. The reverse stairs have different distances between notes 01:22:646 (2) - has 1.34x and 01:22:812 (4) - has 1.0x from the previous note, making awkward distances and a poor feeling between notes. Next, 01:22:896 (5,6) - is creating a downwards, left facing flow, and then you make a sharp, really awkward movement between 01:23:063 (7,8) - . Why? Third, 01:22:563 (1,2,3,4) - has no shift or emphasis in music, so why is there reverse stairs in the first place? Lastly, the distances are incredibly random between each pair of 2. 01:22:646 (2,3) - 3.35x, 01:22:812 (4,5) - 2.98x, 01:22:979 (6,7) - 2.98x. where's the consistency?
01:28:062 (3,4) - distance distance distance
01:37:063 (9,10,11) - Nothing calls for the 1/6 here :d

Just brush up on your consistency please, this map has a lot of potential but a lot of it is ruined by poor design choices and crucial playability issues. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Good luck!

Yuii-

2,501 posts

Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2017-04-23T20:44:16+00:00

Yuii- modding CtB in 2017 hahah

Hey, really fast comment. Offset is indeed off by around ~9~12 ms.

Also (both comments are on the highest difficulty) 01:37:063 (9,10) - these should have been 1/8, not 1/6. In fact I don't even know why (10) is being mapped, it's not even worth mapping; would consider keeping it as only 1 object.
Would also like to add something that Ascendance didn't mention: 00:42:896 (3,4,5) - this pattern has equal spacing when (5) should clearly be more emphasized. Not to mention that the flow is kinda abrupt if you are going for the back-and-forth in such a snappy pattern. I mean, it's being inconsistent with 00:44:063 (3,4,5) - anyway when they are supposed to be somewhat similar?

Other than that, map is very solid!

MorsayFanGirl

MorsayFanGirl 2017-04-23T21:25:55+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Just brush up on your consistency please, this map has a lot of potential but a lot of it is ruined by poor design choices and crucial playability issues. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Good luck!

git gud

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,252 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-04-23T21:43:36+00:00

MorsayFanGirl wrote:
Ascendance wrote:
Just brush up on your consistency please, this map has a lot of potential but a lot of it is ruined by poor design choices and crucial playability issues. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Good luck!

git gud

You make a valid point. How could I ever battle with your level of expertise?

Kyuare

252 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Kyuare 2017-04-23T21:49:41+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Here we go!

I wanna preface this by saying the following: Making only the top difficulty in a mapset with this many difficulties is incredibly lazy. You're a good mapper, so why are you limiting your potential by putting the most minimal amount of effort into your maps? I would have liked to have your comment BEFORE the qualification of my beatmap, just by courtesy.
Also, excuse me ? The most minimal amount of effort into my map ? Who are you to say something like that ? Please review your words, I didn't worked a whole year for nothing, thanks. Aren't you the one who told us to not undervalue people's work ? Anyway let's see what Ascendance, the omniscient, have to tell us.

You guys can't honestly tell me that this map passed the way things are snapped. Listen around 00:22:563 - at 25% speed. None of it sounds accurate in the slightest LOL.. Stuff like 00:23:104 (4,5,6) - sounds like it should be snapped to 1/8... the offset is so bad it's unbearable.

Without adjusting offset or anything, let's take a look at some issues in the top difficulty:

To start, the distance of the triplets like 00:03:229 (1,2,3) - and 00:03:563 (4,5,6) - are inconsistent. Why? Having varying distances when the music stays the same is only confusing to the player and can throw people off when there is constant variation. Sorry but we can clearly hear a stronger sound, I empathized it by increasing the spacing scaling.
00:06:563 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Inconsistent. In all the other places with this sound, you use hyperdash chains to connect the sounds. Nothing changes in the music, so why change it here? Because it's a new santza, having the same pattern will be repetitive and boring, and it's not inconsistent if it's a new santza. We call that innovation.
00:13:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - More inconsistency. Nothing changes, yet you've changed the pattern to have less emphasis. Again, I changed it to have more various patterns, in term of emphasis we don't have the hyperdash but I can say that this pattern is intense enough
00:31:229 (5,6) - If you plan on doing a hyperchain like you did between 00:31:479 (6,7) - , then you'll need to move 00:31:229 (5) - to the left a bit. No I wasn't planning to do a hyperchain here, I just worked the design to be more and more intense through the song
00:32:063 (2) - nooooooooooooooooooooo why this? the vertical slider creates such a bad flowbreak here T_T... Tilt it to the right or something so there's some enhancement in the flow at least Sorry if you can't play this, but this is the desired effect, I personnaly love it and some players too, I made it vertical for the symmetry and the antiflow is here for the challenge, it's also consistent with the song because we can clearly hear really strong beats
01:19:063 (4,1) - another vertical pattern that creates awkward and harsh flow. Making 01:19:063 (4) - fully horizontal or at least tilted more towards horizontal would be really nice It's consistent with the whole pattern, and the antiflow here isn't harsh at all, we just need to read the whole pattern and not only this slider, tilting it horizontally will just create a inconsistency with the next pattern and remove the antiflow wanted effect.
01:19:729 (4,1) - a bit better, but more tilt would be much nicer.
Okay, going to be brutally honest here, the kiai feels really random to me. I'll point out a couple patterns, but the concepts apply to pretty much the entirety of the kiai. To you.
01:22:563 (1,2,3,4) - Plays really badly for a couple reasons. The reverse stairs have different distances between notes 01:22:646 (2) - has 1.34x and 01:22:812 (4) - has 1.0x from the previous note, making awkward distances and a poor feeling between notes.
Making them equal distance will make it too hard and shitmissable, I nerfed it to make the pattern more playable. The effect is still here and I don't think it's bad, no one mentioned them before except you.
Next, 01:22:896 (5,6) - is creating a downwards, left facing flow, and then you make a sharp, really awkward movement between 01:23:063 (7,8) - . Why?
Because it's fun
Third, 01:22:563 (1,2,3,4) - has no shift or emphasis in music, so why is there reverse stairs in the first place? Because it's fun, and it fit the song because we can clearly hear strong beats chained with an other 1/4 beat, justifying the design of this pattern
Lastly, the distances are incredibly random between each pair of 2. 01:22:646 (2,3) - 3.35x, 01:22:812 (4,5) - 2.98x, 01:22:979 (6,7) - 2.98x. where's the consistency? You can just find the consistency by reading what you said.
01:28:062 (3,4) - distance distance distance no.
01:37:063 (9,10,11) - Nothing calls for the 1/6 here :d Indeed, I think that it's 1/8 but does it makes a difference at this bpm ?
Just brush up on your consistency please, this map has a lot of potential but a lot of it is ruined by poor design choices and crucial playability issues.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Good luck!

Sorry for my bad english. It doesn't really seem like you tried to understand my mapping choices much.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,885 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-04-23T22:08:25+00:00

Removed some unnecessary posts. Please keep discussion civil and on-topic. Anything not contributing to the betterment of the mapset will be removed and silences issued. There will be no further warnings.

I'd check the issues presented if my PC didn't shit itself yesterday, but now I have no access to osu! so I will unfortunately have to leave investigation of the report to Deif and Kurokami.

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,252 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-04-23T22:20:10+00:00

No offense Kyuare, but some of these mod replies, regardless of if your english is bad or not, are actually pathetic.

"Making them equal distance will make it too hard and shitmissable" - What the hell? In what way is making movement more comfortable too hard??
"Sorry if you can't play this, but this is the desired effect, I personnaly love it and some players too, I made it vertical for the symmetry and the antiflow is here for the challenge, it's also consistent with the song because we can clearly hear really strong beats" - I hear absolutely no musical shift here. Also, adding things for "challenge" because you love it doesn't make it an acceptable pattern. Also "sorry if you can't play this", I already fc'd the map so there's no need to bring player skill into this.
"Indeed, I think that it's 1/8 but does it makes a difference at this bpm ?" - this is honestly so sad to read
"Because it's a new santza, having the same pattern will be repetitive and boring, and it's not inconsistent if it's a new santza. We call that innovation." - I call that idiocy. It is inconsistent, because it's the one of only 2 times you've ever changed this pattern. Literally, the entire thing is "repetitive and boring" by your standards in that case. Please don't be unreasonable.
"Because it's fun" - Fun =/= good, sorry.
"To you." - Yes, to me, why do you think I made the DQ mod lmao
"no." - First time I ever laughed this hard at a mod reply, props to you

I could keep going with this, but please, rethink your responses. Some of these are blatantly made to defend from a DQ.

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Deif 2017-04-23T22:50:10+00:00

Kyuare wrote:
Ascendance wrote:
01:37:063 (9,10,11) - Nothing calls for the 1/6 here :d Indeed, I think that it's 1/8 but does it makes a difference at this bpm ?

It does a difference. Anyway, if you agree with that statement made by Ascendance, we can also turn the map down by now so you can fix it.

The timing should also be revised thouroughly and will probably be discussed internally before making a final statement on it. I'm getting offset differences of 15-20ms in different sections after checking it closely on the editor (and I assumed it was a plain 180BPM song). In fact, after the qualification I played the map more intensively so I found out that after the break time I performed way better changing the local offset.

Kyuare wrote:
I would have liked to have your comment BEFORE the qualification of my beatmap, just by courtesy.

Even Ascendance being ~~a dick~~ blunt with his comments, the qualification period is the perfect time so players TESTPLAY your beatmap. It's materially impossible to get your map checked by everybody within the community before the qualification, so you should expect their opinions whether they liked your beatmap or not and furthermore if it needs to be more polished.

With everything said, take your time answering Yuii-'s post as well and change the points you agreed on with Ascendance's mod.

Kyuare

252 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Kyuare 2017-04-23T23:40:19+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
No offense Kyuare, but some of these mod replies, regardless of if your english is bad or not, are actually pathetic.

"Making them equal distance will make it too hard and shitmissable" - What the hell? In what way is making movement more comfortable too hard?? Stay polite, thanks. I nerfed the second section to make the antiflow less harsh for the player, it's indeed LESS hard than if we keep both with equal distance, we can also hear that the second beat is slighly less intense that the first.
"Sorry if you can't play this, but this is the desired effect, I personnaly love it and some players too, I made it vertical for the symmetry and the antiflow is here for the challenge, it's also consistent with the song because we can clearly hear really strong beats" - I hear absolutely no musical shift here. Also, adding things for "challenge" because you love it doesn't make it an acceptable pattern. Here you impose your own idea of what mapping is, From the moment it is justified, I don't see why I should deprive myself of what I would like to have in my map, and we can clearly hear strong pitch at each White tic, which is enough for these jumps
"Indeed, I think that it's 1/8 but does it makes a difference at this bpm ?" - this is honestly so sad to read You didn't get the irony, I even wrote the answer in green
"Because it's a new santza, having the same pattern will be repetitive and boring, and it's not inconsistent if it's a new santza. We call that innovation." - I call that idiocy. It is inconsistent, because it's the one of only 2 times you've ever changed this pattern. Literally, the entire thing is "repetitive and boring" by your standards in that case. Please don't be unreasonable. Kurokami explained it differently, In a much clearer way: I will fix them, but please, explain it clearly.
"Because it's fun" -Fun =/= good, sorry. Then explain what is bad, thanks, because what you said was just a description.
"To you." - Yes, to me, why do you think I made the DQ mod lmao At least when you do a mod try to be objective, I said it because you were actually subjective.
"no." - First time I ever laughed this hard at a mod reply, props to you If you truly want to help me speak out clearly, sarcasm doesn't help, thanks. I said it because your advice was also comical: "distance distance distance", please, explain what is wrong because I don't find anything bad, it's your mod after all.
I could keep going with this, but please, rethink your responses. Some of these are blatantly made to defend from a DQ. Indeed I finally fixed some points, I was upset because you were rude in your mod: You did not seem to want to help me. It looked more like you were just trying to disquailfy my beatmap just to annoy me. Anyway if you really wanted to help me,thanks.

Yuii- wrote:
Yuii- modding CtB in 2017 hahah It's a good thing you finally gave your opinion on the map. Too bad you answered so late.

Hey, really fast comment. Offset is indeed off by around ~9~12 ms. Probably, I will fix it.

Also (both comments are on the highest difficulty) 01:37:063 (9,10) - these should have been 1/8, not 1/6. In fact I don't even know why (10) is being mapped, it's not even worth mapping; would consider keeping it as only 1 object. Fine
Would also like to add something that Ascendance didn't mention: 00:42:896 (3,4,5) - this pattern has equal spacing when (5) should clearly be more emphasized. Changed the pattern, fixed.
Not to mention that the flow is kinda abrupt if you are going for the back-and-forth in such a snappy pattern. I mean, it's being inconsistent with 00:44:063 (3,4,5) - anyway when they are supposed to be somewhat similar? I don't get it because 00:44:063 (3,4,5) - and 00:42:896 (3,4,5) - don't have the same timeline. The abrupt flow is wanted, there is clearly a shift to deeper tones in the music so it's consistent.

Other than that, map is very solid!

Thanks, I also fixed some spacing like 01:22:646 (2,3) - to make it more readable. Hope it's better now.

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-04-24T01:50:09+00:00

placeholder, there's a couple thingies I want to point out on the other diffs that i didn't feel were dq worthy on their own but could be improved

wait what happened to the posts in-between mine now i look like a post farmer rip

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-04-24T06:32:05+00:00

Kyuare wrote:
Yuii- wrote:
Yuii- modding CtB in 2017 hahah It's a good thing you finally gave your opinion on the map. Too bad you answered so late.

It seems like there's a misunderstanding of what the qualified section is for. Too late is when it's in the ranked section, your set was not ranked. The exact purpose of the qualified section is to make a larger audience aware of the map, and give it time to see if there are any issues that need to be solved before being ranked. Yuii was actually early, he commented on it just after it was qualified. Qualifying is not the "it's done and finished there is nothing that should be improved or changed" part of the process.

General
You can simplify the name of the bg, it doesn't need to be that long

Furely's Overdose
00:06:562 (1,1) - Directly stacking after a 1/1 is difficult to follow because of momentum. The hyper causes player to end up to the right of where the fruit is, so the player has to go left to be ablle to catch the next fruit, but has to press right again quickly directly after to follow flow. This creates a lot of key presses in a section where almost nothing is happening in the music.
Some nice diagrams of what is going on

Images, read this

The lines represent flow, the circles repesent significant changes in flow/antiflow

00:01:230 (3,1) - This pattern is fine. There is no emphasis put on the part where there is no sounds, and gives enough leniency to flow

00:04:229 (2,3) - This pattern however, requires an extra key press due to how it's organised and the large distance. This is over-mapping the section by how it's played, and should be simplified.

that on top of creating really awkward flow stops there. The pattern should be changed a little as well as other similar ones in the next section
00:12:452 (3,4) - What happened to the hypers here, the current pattern implies that 4 has identical importance compared to 3. This is inconsistent with the later identical sections such as 00:14:451 (9,1) - and 00:15:118 (3,4) - , which also use difficult flow to emphasise this even further.
00:18:229 (4) - There are drums here that should be mapped, since you've changed focus from violins to bass here.
00:20:007 (2) - I can't 100% tell because I don't have headphones, but I'm fairly sure there's no sound here to map
00:31:229 (5,6,7) - Edge dashes should not be used in conjunction with hypers, it's one of the guidelines from the ranking criteria. It's an easy edge dash, but it's still an edge dash. You'll need to either change it or explain why it's like this and why the quality of the set would be lowered if it was changed.
i thought there would be more but there wasn't

Kurokami's Rain
00:14:563 (1) - Can you change this slider angle so it's more lenient to catch droplets
00:42:229 (4,5) - Increase spacing? Seems kinda small compared to triplet size

Wild's Platter
00:22:229 (4,1) - Hyper into antiflow = unrankable, just make that slider straight or something
00:54:563 (1,2) - ^ It's not walkable, although this is lesser extent because it's 1/1

Chronos
00:07:118 (3,4) - Avoid major composition differences in similar sections. The basic spacing and rhythm should be similar, while patterning can vary. This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly. - Ranking Criteria

If you're going to innovate the ranking criteria, do it outside the ranked section. Respond to Ascendance's mod properly since he's covered basically everything.

CLSW

osu! Alumni

2,182 posts

Joined October 2010

CLSW 2017-04-24T07:34:10+00:00

Laws and codes of ethics establish minimum standards of behavior, but not the maximum. And sometimes the more important things than the rules exist for our community, especially in this ctb community.

Do not force your opinion which is having relative and abstract concept like 'better', 'well', 'poor design'. It shall be better for you, but could be not for the mapper itself. It doesn't help anything to mapper and also the whole ctb mapping community tbh. And also if modder made a reason with an abstract expression then mapper also can reply with an abstract expression. Cuz the modder deserved.

Just my 2 cents.

Kurokami

osu! Alumni

4,024 posts

Joined February 2010

Kurokami 2017-04-24T08:37:31+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
Kurokami's Rain
00:14:563 (1) - Can you change this slider angle so it's more lenient to catch droplets I don't think catching those droplets is hard. But if you really want that change then tell me how you think it could be better.
00:42:229 (4,5) - Increase spacing? Seems kinda small compared to triplet size Done.

Eh, I still don't like the AR9 on this difficulty at all. Every pattern is designed for a slightly lower one an it was much better to play it with that. :c

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256,64,86063,2,0,L|208:64,1,45
256,128,86229,2,0,L|352:128,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,192,86563,6,0,L|320:192,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,240,87063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,288,87146,1,0,0:0:0:0:
144,320,87229,2,0,L|240:320,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
372,340,87563,2,0,L|276:340,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
128,352,87896,6,0,L|96:320,1,45,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,304,88063,2,0,L|192:256,1,45,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,256,88229,2,0,L|80:224,1,45,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,224,88396,2,0,L|176:176,1,45,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
80,208,88563,2,0,L|16:144,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,144,88896,2,0,L|80:80,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,64,89229,6,0,L|480:160,2,180,2|8|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
448,16,90063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,128,90229,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,90396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
176,144,90563,6,0,L|80:144,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,224,90896,2,0,L|320:224,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,304,91229,1,2,0:0:0:0:
272,144,91396,1,8,0:0:0:0:
144,96,91563,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,48,91729,1,8,0:0:0:0:
32,48,91896,6,0,L|224:48,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,48,92396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
416,96,92479,1,0,0:0:0:0:
368,144,92563,2,0,L|458:144,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,112,92896,2,0,L|198:112,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,176,93229,5,2,0:0:0:0:
480,240,93313,1,0,0:0:0:0:
432,304,93396,1,8,0:0:0:0:
336,304,93479,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,240,93563,1,2,0:0:0:0:
336,176,93646,1,0,0:0:0:0:
384,144,93729,1,8,0:0:0:0:
224,112,93896,2,0,L|144:64,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,48,94229,2,0,L|400:96,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,128,94563,6,0,P|80:160|144:256,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,256,95063,2,0,L|336:256,1,45,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,192,95229,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,128,95396,1,2,0:0:0:0:
144,64,95563,1,8,0:0:0:0:
272,64,95729,1,0,0:0:0:0:
36,192,95896,6,0,L|132:192,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,96229,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,256,96396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,256,96563,2,0,L|416:256,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
480,160,96896,2,0,L|384:160,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
128,192,97229,6,0,P|64:160|128:112,1,180,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,48,97729,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,96,97813,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,144,97896,2,0,L|240:224,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,240,98229,2,0,L|480:160,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,96,98563,5,4,0:0:0:0:
128,128,98646,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,160,98729,2,0,L|64:208,1,45,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,224,98896,1,2,0:0:0:0:
208,256,98979,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,288,99063,2,0,L|272:336,1,45,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,336,99229,2,0,L|128:256,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,128,99563,2,0,L|416:208,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,208,99896,5,4,0:0:0:0:
272,288,100063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
128,320,100229,1,8,0:0:0:0:
256,208,100396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,192,100563,5,4,0:0:0:0:
64,176,100646,1,0,3:0:0:0:
32,128,100729,1,0,3:0:0:0:
48,80,100813,1,0,3:0:0:0:
144,48,100896,1,0,3:0:0:0:
192,16,100979,1,0,3:0:0:0:
112,0,101063,1,0,3:0:0:0:
64,0,101146,1,0,3:0:0:0:
208,0,101229,6,0,L|304:0,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,48,101563,2,0,L|48:48,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,96,101896,1,2,0:0:0:0:
96,160,102063,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,160,102229,2,0,L|352:160,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
64,96,102563,6,0,L|160:96,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,64,102813,1,0,0:0:0:0:
154,96,102896,2,0,L|58:96,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,32,103229,2,0,L|304:32,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,80,103563,2,0,L|64:80,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,176,103896,6,0,L|256:112,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,176,104229,2,0,L|416:112,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
272,304,104563,1,2,0:0:0:0:
384,272,104729,1,0,0:0:0:0:
272,208,104896,1,8,0:0:0:0:
400,160,105063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
160,160,105229,6,0,L|64:160,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,96,105563,2,0,L|288:96,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,96,105896,1,2,0:0:0:0:
288,96,106063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
432,32,106229,2,0,L|336:16,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,272,106563,6,0,L|96:272,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
368,160,106896,1,8,0:0:0:0:
368,80,107063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
208,80,107229,1,2,0:0:0:0:
144,16,107396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,32,107563,2,8,L|208:80,1,90
448,112,107896,6,0,L|496:192,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
432,224,108146,1,0,0:0:0:0:
368,256,108229,2,0,L|416:336,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,336,108563,2,0,L|208:256,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,256,108896,2,0,L|384:176,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,176,109229,6,0,L|192:128,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,128,109563,2,0,L|272:80,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
416,32,109896,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,16,110063,1,0,0:0:0:0:
416,32,110229,2,0,L|320:32,1,90,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
80,32,110563,6,0,L|176:32,1,90,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,96,110896,2,0,L|256:160,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
32,96,111229,1,4,0:0:0:0:
32,96,111396,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,176,111563,2,0,L|352:176,1,90,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,256,111896,5,4,0:0:0:0:
128,304,111979,1,0,3:0:0:0:
176,320,112063,1,0,3:0:0:0:
240,336,112146,1,0,3:0:0:0:
336,272,112229,5,8,0:0:0:0:
320,224,112313,1,0,3:0:0:0:
272,192,112396,1,0,3:0:0:0:
208,176,112479,1,0,3:0:0:0:
112,144,112563,5,2,0:0:0:0:
128,96,112646,1,0,3:0:0:0:
176,64,112729,1,0,3:0:0:0:
240,64,112813,1,0,3:0:0:0:
304,64,112896,5,4,0:0:0:0:
48,64,113063,1,4,0:0:0:0:

Yumeno Himiko

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Yumeno Himiko 2017-04-24T09:31:02+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
Chronos
00:07:118 (3,4) - Avoid major composition differences in similar sections. The basic spacing and rhythm should be similar, while patterning can vary. This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly. - Ranking Criteria

Not reading others just this one, this "rule" is from osu!Standard Ranking Criteria and it's only the Guidline instead of Rule.

Quote from RC wrote:
While all rules must be followed in any circumstance, guidelines may be violated under exceptional circumstances.

That's it.

Kurokami

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Kurokami 2017-04-24T09:46:45+00:00

Guys, there is a clear and global misunderstanding regarding Rules and Guidelines. Guidelines are must be followed and they are just as strong as Rules. The only difference is that Guidelines could be broken under special circumstances with a really good reason. This means "it is my style" or "I like it this way" is not an acceptable reason at all while "I mapped this way to avoid repetitive rhythms and if you recognize the timeline repeats itself at every second stanza" is.

I already explained to Kyuare that his patterns are not matters as long as the spacing and timeline is consistent. There is no need to keep pointing this out at all. Instead, provide useful information when you raise concerns about a certain part from the map.

CLSW

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CLSW 2017-04-24T09:59:21+00:00

iirc it was from standard not catch? Do osu!std guidelines also affect for osu!catch either?

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-04-24T10:25:13+00:00

The only reason they aren't on the CtB one is because the std one is newer. Things from the std rules are still enforced in CtB maps despite not being in our rules. Not following one of the guidelines in the std guidelines is a viable reason to DQ a map aside from 5, 6, 9 and 15

That said, this is starting to get offtopic from the set

Kurokami

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Kurokami 2017-04-24T10:39:55+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
The only reason they aren't on the CtB one is because the std one is newer. Things from the std rules are still enforced in CtB maps despite not being in our rules. Not following one of the guidelines in the std guidelines is a viable reason to DQ a map aside from 5, 6, 9 and 15

Excuse me? osu! and osu!catch is two entirely different mode and their rules does not affect each other in any way. You are mistaking osu! RC with General RC. While it is true that the currently discussed guideline should be in the osu!catch one as well, it is not currently so it is not necessary to follow it either and forcing it is actually makes no sense but you can still explain it to mappers and tell them why it could be better to actually follow it.

@JBHyperion brought up a discussion since the osu! RC is live so we will re-view it and see which points could be added into our Guidelines as well. There is no need to discuss this here and now.

That said, this is starting to get offtopic from the set

Yap, you are right here.

If you guys have any question or concern, please contact me via forum PM to keep this thread as clean as possible, it could be even a group conversation on discord. I will try to answer the best I can.

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-04-24T17:49:53+00:00

Fix the offset and please give a proper reply to my DQ suggestions, then call me back

Nelly

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Nelly 2017-04-24T18:56:47+00:00

Its time to stop... I beg you guys

Dea ex machina

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Dea ex machina 2017-04-24T19:04:44+00:00

Hey, I didn't notice this until now, but on Furely's Overdose, could you add a clap hitsound to the following notes? It sounds a lot better with them.

01:24:896 (7) - slider head
01:26:229 (6) - slider head
01:36:896 (6) - slider head

Kyuare

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Kyuare 2017-04-24T19:48:06+00:00

General
You can simplify the name of the bg, it doesn't need to be that long

Furely's Overdose
00:06:562 (1,1) - Directly stacking after a 1/1 is difficult to follow because of momentum. The hyper causes player to end up to the right of where the fruit is, so the player has to go left to be ablle to catch the next fruit, but has to press right again quickly directly after to follow flow. This creates a lot of key presses in a section where almost nothing is happening in the music. Maybe for Rain players, but Overdose players can control when they need stop or continue. This is not difficult to follow because it's a 1/1, players will have the time to analyze the situation and stop here.
Some nice diagrams of what is going on
Images, read this
The lines represent flow, the circles repesent significant changes in flow/antiflow

00:01:230 (3,1) - This pattern is fine. There is no emphasis put on the part where there is no sounds, and gives enough leniency to flow

00:04:229 (2,3) - This pattern however, requires an extra key press due to how it's organised and the large distance. This is over-mapping the section by how it's played, and should be simplified. We can't call that over-mapping since beat actually exist here, the extra movement is here to introduce the player for the next pattern because the more the music continues, the more the intensity increases
that on top of creating really awkward flow stops there. The pattern should be changed a little as well as other similar ones in the next section
00:12:452 (3,4) - What happened to the hypers here, the current pattern implies that 4 has identical importance compared to 3. This is inconsistent with the later identical sections such as 00:14:451 (9,1) - and 00:15:118 (3,4) - , which also use difficult flow to emphasise this even further. Because it's a new santza, Furely mapped it to avoid repetitive patterns.
00:18:229 (4) - There are drums here that should be mapped, since you've changed focus from violins to bass here. Yes, indeed
00:20:007 (2) - I can't 100% tell because I don't have headphones, but I'm fairly sure there's no sound here to map I can hear a small song but I think that it's less repetitive with a slider, done.
00:31:229 (5,6,7) - Edge dashes should not be used in conjunction with hypers, it's one of the guidelines from the ranking criteria. It's an easy edge dash, but it's still an edge dash. You'll need to either change it or explain why it's like this and why the quality of the set would be lowered if it was changed. This is not a edge dash, a edge dash would be at x:0 or x:512
i thought there would be more but there wasn't

Chronos
00:07:118 (3,4) - Avoid major composition differences in similar sections. The basic spacing and rhythm should be similar, while patterning can vary. This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly. - Ranking Criteria It actually follow the Ranking Criteria,
the timeline and the spacing is the same with 00:07:674 (5,6) - , while the slider shape vary.

If you're going to innovate the ranking criteria, do it outside the ranked section. Respond to Ascendance's mod properly since he's covered basically everything.

@-wwwww Fixed everything, thanks
I also changed some spacing about Chronos difficulty for the readability, nothing major.

@Ascendance We talked IRC, I changed 01:28:062 (3,4) -'s spacing to make it consistent with 01:22:729 (3,4) -
We will wait Deif's check for the offset problem.
I also changed 01:22:646 (2,3) - to ~3.00x because I finally got what you wanted to say, but you really need to be clear
Thank you.

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-04-25T01:04:51+00:00

Kyuare wrote:
This is not a edge dash, a edge dash would be at x:0 or x:512

Kyptoric

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Kyptoric 2017-04-25T01:23:26+00:00

i think the map is fine to be honest, its not perfect and i feel like it would be possible to polish it even further at some parts but it looks like rank quality to me

Yumeno Himiko

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Yumeno Himiko 2017-04-25T03:49:40+00:00

Let's do some more discussion before pusing forward

[Chronos]
00:31:479 (6) - the 1/4 here actually follows nothing, and I believe removing this won't hurt the whole pattern so please consider this.
00:32:646 (2,3,4) - Sampleset Normal hitsound? Is it just a mistake?
00:43:563 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - I listened to this part several times and I believe it's 1/6.
01:30:813 (4,5,6) - as I noticed you changed the later similar pattern like this, you'd better remove the 1/8 note 01:30:854 (5) here too.
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additional personal mods:
00:16:563 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - All triples in this part are anti-flows instead of this one, I know the rhythm will change here, what about keeping one anti-flow instead of 0?
00:24:063 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - imo the anti-flows are having a bit large movement and very easy to miss here, make the antis just 1.2x will be better.
00:42:563 (1,2,3,4) - make more movement? Like this one 00:47:229 (1,2,3,4)
00:59:673 (5) - remove this one since no beat calls for a note here, and move 00:59:784 (5) to x:160, also it'll be a nice idea if 00:59:562(4) changed to a slider. It'll still be a intense flow here, no worry.
01:24:563 (1,2,3,4) - Lack movement here too, ctrl+G on 01:24:896 (3,4)

Hope this requalified soon.

Kyuare

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Kyuare 2017-04-25T15:53:08+00:00

Yumeno Himiko wrote:
Let's do some more discussion before pusing forward

[Chronos]
00:31:479 (6) - the 1/4 here actually follows nothing, and I believe removing this won't hurt the whole pattern so please consider this. EDIT: Finally it's indeed too small to be emphasized like this, removed, sorry for the inconvenience
00:32:646 (2,3,4) - Sampleset Normal hitsound? Is it just a mistake? Wow didn't saw it before, thanks
00:43:563 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - I listened to this part several times and I believe it's 1/6. Indeed, if we hear with 25% playback rate 1/6 looks more consistent, I am ashamed.
01:30:813 (4,5,6) - as I noticed you changed the later similar pattern like this, you'd better remove the 1/8 note 01:30:854 (5) here too. For this one i'm pretty sure that 1/8 is fine here, try with 25% playback rate and you'll hear a really fast 1/8 melody.
------------------------
additional personal mods:
00:16:563 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - All triples in this part are anti-flows instead of this one, I know the rhythm will change here, what about keeping one anti-flow instead of 0? Done
00:24:063 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - imo the anti-flows are having a bit large movement and very easy to miss here, make the antis just 1.2x will be better. 1.2x will ruin the design but I agree that it's sometimes shitmissable for HD players, reduced to 1.34x
00:42:563 (1,2,3,4) - make more movement? Like this one 00:47:229 (1,2,3,4) Done, also fixed other spacing for the consistency
00:59:673 (5) - remove this one since no beat calls for a note here, and move 00:59:784 (5) to x:160, also it'll be a nice idea if 00:59:562(4) changed to a slider. It'll still be a intense flow here, no worry. Changed in my way, (6) is now emphasized
01:24:563 (1,2,3,4) - Lack movement here too, ctrl+G on 01:24:896 (3,4) Not for this one, first because it will be inconsistent with the following pattern: it will remove the hyperdash and it's really hard to fix that without destroying the whole pattern, but also because I really like as it is but it's personnal.

Hope this requalified soon. I'll do my best.

Thank you, It was useful.

@Ascendance, Deif, Yuii- Also, tasuke912 checked the timing and said that It should be fine.

EDIT: Kin asked Bonsai to check the timing too, he said the same thing

screnshot

That's why I think that we can keep this offset.

Last edited by Kyuare 2017-04-25T21:15:20+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

CLSW

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CLSW 2017-04-25T19:02:11+00:00

Just I would drop some for the highest diff

00:52:896 (7,8,9,10) - This one deserves to get longer distance with its pitch transition on 00:52:979 (8,9) - so try to make more distance at least longer than 00:52:813 (6,7) .
00:56:563 (1,2) - This one could be HDashed due to its pitch differences, even if you disagree at least I wanna see the different pattern usage compared with 00:55:896 (1,2,3) .

some recommendable usages

00:57:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:57:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I wanna hear the reason that why did you used 2 - 4 rhythm usage which isn't 3 - 3 like the others, do you have any proper things?
00:59:229 (1,2,3) - Same as 00:56:563 (1,2) .
00:59:563 (4) - With the instrumental emphasis I think full horizontal slider works well for here
01:01:896 (1,2,3) - Same as 00:56:563 (1,2) .
01:02:229 (4,5,6) - This one also can be different than the other triples
01:03:229 (1,2,3,1,2,3) and 01:04:119 (3,1,2,3) - Same as 00:57:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6) .
01:17:896 (3,4) - Flow transition here doesn't seem naturally for me. To fix this, I think you should flip every patterns after 01:18:479 (8) - this object, and try with this one :

SPOILER

Kyuare

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Kyuare 2017-04-25T20:51:15+00:00

CLSW wrote:
Just I would drop some for the highest diff

00:52:896 (7,8,9,10) - This one deserves to get longer distance with its pitch transition on 00:52:979 (8,9) - so try to make more distance at least longer than 00:52:813 (6,7) . I increased the distance to have the same spacing as (6,7) more will make it hard to read
00:56:563 (1,2) - This one could be HDashed due to its pitch differences, even if you disagree at least I wanna see the different pattern usage compared with 00:55:896 (1,2,3) . Done
some recommendable usages

00:57:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6) and 00:57:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I wanna hear the reason that why did you used 2 - 4 rhythm usage which isn't 3 - 3 like the others, do you have any proper things? To avoid repetitive movement, since it's a new santza I wanted to find something different than triangles and I found that 2 - 4 follow the song too so I got the idea of quadruplets
00:59:229 (1,2,3) - Same as 00:56:563 (1,2) . Done
00:59:563 (4) - With the instrumental emphasis I think full horizontal slider works well for here I don't think so because the spacing is already very big, the actual slider fit better imo because it creates a reverse effect
01:01:896 (1,2,3) - Same as 00:56:563 (1,2) . Done
01:02:229 (4,5,6) - This one also can be different than the other triples Done
01:03:229 (1,2,3,1,2,3) and 01:04:119 (3,1,2,3) - Same as 00:57:229 (1,2,3,4,5,6) . Same thing
01:17:896 (3,4) - Flow transition here doesn't seem naturally for me. To fix this, I think you should flip every patterns after 01:18:479 (8) - this object, and try with this one :
SPOILER
Fixed in my way but kept the good idea

Sorry for your recommendable usages but if I put some of them I will need to erase some of the triplets and it will be hard to fix the consistency, I prefer to keep them, but it will inspire me for my next map. Thank you for this mod, it was useful.

WildOne94

581 posts

Joined October 2013

WildOne94 2017-04-26T02:34:35+00:00

Platter Code

osu file format v14

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Title:Chronoxia
TitleUnicode:Chronoxia
Artist:DJ Totoriott
ArtistUnicode:DJ Totoriott
Creator:Kyuare
Version:Wild's Platter
Source:REFLEC BEAT groovin'!!
Tags:CLSW WildOne94 JBHyperion Kurokami Furely konami bemani totto
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Fixed both suggestions from Sinnoh's mod

ty Sinnoh :3

Kyuare

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Kyuare 2017-04-26T06:01:18+00:00

WildOne94 wrote:

Platter Code

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Fixed both suggestions from Sinnoh's mod

ty Sinnoh :3

Updated.

Spectator

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

1,843 posts

Joined February 2011

Spectator 2017-04-26T12:51:45+00:00

good luck!

this map deserves to be ranked

Deif

Elite Mapper / osu!catch Paragon

3,564 posts

Joined April 2010

Deif 2017-04-27T05:31:11+00:00

Kyptoric wrote:
i think the map is fine to be honest, its not perfect and i feel like it would be possible to polish it even further at some parts but it looks like rank quality to me

It's impossible to achieve a "perfect" beatmap that'd please everybody. Thousands of players would have different ideas on how to polish a beatmap, but I'm with you that this one deserves to be qualified again.

Timing was doublechecked and it feels more accurate, odd snaps in Chronos were fixed and its gameplay improved a bit more with the last mods you got in it. With all said, I'm confident to push the beatmap forward again:

Bubbled!

Nelly

Beatmap Nominator

1,533 posts

Joined August 2014

Nelly 2017-04-27T10:52:41+00:00

Not a modding thing but why is 01:45:396 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - dosent moved?

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,252 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-04-28T02:45:02+00:00

Looking good

Before it gets qualified (no more DQ drama this time):

Chronos

00:56:896 (4) - x:240 seems like a bit more of a comfortable distance here, such a sharp antiflow could be potentially jarring to the player
01:02:229 (4) - x:208 for the same above reason, if you could!
01:03:563 (1) - x:352 for consistent distance with 01:03:229 (1,2) - ? Looks nicer imo!

moe furely

01:38:896 (5,6) - I'd really make both of these fully horizontal. The current tilt on them makes them a bit awkward to play since you have to abruptly stop.

I'm really happy with the changes you made here. Looks good to be moved back to ranking!

the bg is showing some nipple so maybe a new bg is in order as well :thinking:

Pyrzhe

Pyrzhe 2017-04-28T11:23:37+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
the bg is showing some nipple so maybe a new bg is in order as well :thinking:

You complain about seeing a nipple that is covered... I understand your point of view... But for me I'm not 100% sure that there's a nipple, I can't say it only a fold, but even if there's a nipple, itsn't that obvious
Then if you look at your maps, on the Zerosiki Material - Love for example you can see a large part of his chest, as well as a much lighter outfit than the background of Kyuare...
In my opinion Zerosiki (and many others*) have a background that is less safe for work than Chronoxia...
So I think there is no need to change the background personally.

* others map :
- Another Infinity feat. Mayumi Morinaga - COME BACK TO MY HEART (Ryu* Remix)
- Umetora - Ifuudoudou
- Eclipse - nO limiT (TV Size)
- LEAF XCEED Music Division - Fur Elise

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,885 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-04-28T11:40:42+00:00

@Pyrzhe Just saying that the 4 maps you listed are all from 2013 or earlier - standards change, we have to change too. You can't judge current maps based on old rules and criteria.

That being said, I don't see anything overtly suggestive or sexual about this particular background, nor was there any such intention in the case of Zerosiki.

MorsayFanGirl

MorsayFanGirl 2017-04-28T11:45:52+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:
@Pyrzhe Just saying that the 4 maps you listed are all from 2013 or earlier - standards change, we have to change too.

So remove all beatmap with NSFW background... I don't understand why the background of this beat is a problem. I'm agree with Pyrzhe when he say : "" I'm not 100% sure that there's a nipple, I can't say it only a fold, but even if there's a nipple, itsn't that obvious""

MBomb

MBomb 2017-04-28T11:56:42+00:00

MorsayFanGirl wrote:
JBHyperion wrote:
@Pyrzhe Just saying that the 4 maps you listed are all from 2013 or earlier - standards change, we have to change too.

So remove all beatmap with NSFW background... I don't understand why the background of this beat is a problem. I'm agree with Pyrzhe when he say : "" I'm not 100% sure that there's a nipple, I can't say it only a fold, but even if there's a nipple, itsn't that obvious""

I get the feeling you didn't read the rest of what he said...

Bg seems fine to me too, will recheck later on today (also I think ascendance may have been joking with that comment)

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-04-28T12:13:42+00:00

actually that's not a tit it's quite clearly just another random bump of skin like the one on her neck

Vincs

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Vincs 2017-04-28T12:29:01+00:00

You guys get baited too easily :thinking:

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-04-28T13:32:22+00:00

I don't even remember writing it, it was late and I was out of it haha

Also as usual, MorsayFanGirl provides nothing of use to the conversation and is subsequently making himself look worse by ignoring everything except the stuff he can pour salt over 👀

Let's also remember that we can't use past ranked maps as references in any circumstance. Each map must be addressed individually. Obviously, it was my mistake, I wanted to mod this before it was qualified again and I was absolutely exhausted so there are bound to be some errors.

Kyuare

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Kyuare 2017-04-28T17:10:22+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Looking good

Before it gets qualified (no more DQ drama this time):

Chronos

00:56:896 (4) - x:240 seems like a bit more of a comfortable distance here, such a sharp antiflow could be potentially jarring to the player I don't think so, first because others similar triplets have the same spacing, but also because the adrenalline of the player just kicked in, his reflexes should be hightened
01:02:229 (4) - x:208 for the same above reason, if you could! same thing sorry...
01:03:563 (1) - x:352 for consistent distance with 01:03:229 (1,2) - ? Looks nicer imo! Sorry but no because it's a new santza, the consistency is here: 01:04:229 (1) - and 01:03:563 (1) -
moe furely

01:38:896 (5,6) - I'd really make both of these fully horizontal. The current tilt on them makes them a bit awkward to play since you have to abruptly stop. Furely told me that he really want to keep these pattern as it is, objectively it will be really tricky since we already have fully horizontal sliders just before, which increased the intensity a lot. Making them fully horizontal would be "too much" and will sometimes cause a shitmiss.
I'm really happy with the changes you made here. Looks good to be moved back to ranking! Thank you for your advices ! But I think that my map is better as it is actually... sorry.

the bg is showing some nipple so maybe a new bg is in order as well :thinking:I can't see them, she is wearing a dress o.o

MBomb

MBomb 2017-04-29T07:10:46+00:00

morning kyuare

Qualified <3

CelegaS

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CelegaS 2017-05-05T08:41:37+00:00

After 1 year of waiting congrat !

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Fortnitelord 2018-05-29T20:51:47+00:00

How am I supposed to do the original osu! ? I mean like, I can't do the real osu but I can do osu! catch.

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