As much as I agree but:UndeadCapulet wrote:
"circlejerking" isnt a problem at all for a number of reasons:what is there to even worry about?
- the job of bng is to push forward quality mapsets, and bn's are typically really good at making quality mapsets, so bn's pushing each other's maps is good for the game
- bn's get literally nothing for all the volunteer work they do to promote quality content to the ranked section, b4b'ing is the only thing close to an incentive they have for being in the bng (but again, most don't need that anyway bc their maps are usually easy to rank whether they're bn or not)
- as an extension of the first point, it typically doesn't take very long to check a set made by a bn. it's usually really easy for a bn to fit a b4b icon into their schedule without it being detrimental to the rest of their bn work
"bn's only rank each other's maps"
you can take a look at qualified section at any point in time and there's always more non-bn sets there than there are bn sets.
"bn's are circlejerking shitty maps to rank"
bn maps can be vetted by community just the same as other mappers' maps, maybe start pushing back against them in qualified if you think their maps are so shitty
"new mappers can't get their maps ranked at all"
first of all, this isn't true, as shown by the massive list of rookies mca just put out. and bn's were all once new mappers, too, and they didn't have such issue. maybe those new mappers that can't rank their maps should put more work in to contributing to the community instead of bitching on reddit/modhelp/twitter/wherever. a big part of the ranking process is becoming someone who people will actually want to help, and most people don't want to help idiots that whine about circlejerking all the time.
even if circlejerking is an issue, your proposal is nonsense:trying to stop people from doing the only thing that makes their countless hours of volunteer work remotely worth the effort is rly, rly stupid
- such a system effectively results in bn's losing out on potential bn's for their own sets. why would anyone ever want to be a bn when it makes their maps harder to get ranked
- it's virtually impossible for higherups to ensure people are obeying the rules. bn's pump out a lot of maps, and with each map creating a wait time, qat would be spending countless hours tracking wait times and scouring qualified. they also have no incentive to do this, since qat also "benefit from circlejerking". this is a massive, unproductive workload for people that have far better things to do with their time.
- arbitrary wait times only delay issues instead of fixing them, bn's can always just wait out the time period to circlejerk, or even just extend their circlejerk as large as they need so they don't get flagged by the system as circlejerking
"bn's are circlejerking shitty maps to rank"This is the real reason why bn circlejerk or just friend nominating is a problem, they look past the quality of the map and simply nominate it. There of course is no proof for that but it's fairly obvious in some cases. You know that vetted by community is not a thing though, the community has 0 vote and for such cases we're on the mercy of qat being brave enough to step in.
bn maps can be vetted by community just the same as other mappers' maps, maybe start pushing back against them in qualified if you think their maps are so shitty
I feel like there should be some sort of a rule in which a mapper can't get any same bn from a previous map of his that got ranked. For example: Lasse and Mir nominate a map from pishifat. Next map they can't nominate it and it gets nominated by lets say -mo- and mao. 3rd map lasse and mir have right to nominate the map. This suggestion is to ensure that mapper's maps are checked by a wider community. It may more easily lead to BNs with no affiliation to the mapper, without any bias, judge the map and push it for ranked.
To me it doesn't make any sense to just keep calling one guy for each of your maps that will nominate no matter what cus they're friends. BNs can not get in trouble for that unless they confess or leak somehow which is the source of the problem. It could also be that they're just unconsciously biased, being unable to spot issues within the map.