You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle
um.... please refer to kudosu rules. Because I separated into two posts of modding, and it is still count as one.J a c k wrote:
You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle
Kyle Y wrote:
M4M request
I talked about the problems in this mapset to Jack before, except my gd (because I cannot self mod). Problem in Easy, Normal diff is not that serious, but of course quality could be much more higher. So, I focus on insanes this time.
Elcheer's Insane
- 00:00:026 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - at this part, you use clickable objects for EVERY vocal, but in 00:05:539 (3,5) - you didn't. Actually, this rhythm is similar to 00:00:350 (3,4,6,7) - . So I think it is better to keep consistence here. i think how i have it is better to emphasize drums
- 00:08:458 (3) - This is an Insane diff, so I supposed to have jumping 1/4 slider. At the same this, it can emphasize the beat 00:08:458 -
and 00:08:782 (4) - by using a jump here. 00:08:782 - this is a strong beat, so I don't think overlapping is a suitable choice here. (similar modding applied to 01:27:593 (3) - ) would rather not- 00:19:809 (2,3,4) - I don't disagree you use stacking stream, but at least you need to stack 00:20:052 (5) - also. 00:20:052 (5) - is not a strong beat but 00:20:134 - instead. it is more reasonable that 00:20:052 (5) - is in stacking stream and 00:20:133 (1) - in the normal stream. fixed
- 00:20:782 - this part share the same rhythm as the very beginning 00:00:026 - . I think you can use different pattern but still same rhythm for consistency. imo it's fine the way it is, feels different than the very start anyways
- 00:25:566 - this triplet sound is quite loud, skipping this sound seems quite weird. fixed
- 00:30:350 (4) - I guess it is more reasonable to stack 00:31:161 - but not 00:31:080 - . fixed
- 00:41:539 (1,2) - you use stacking slider end for 1/2 rhythm here but 00:42:836 (5,1) - 1/1 rhythm follow by, so it is really good to do so? You use this pattern for twice only, other position is 01:10:728 (4,5) - . 01:11:053 - got a strong beat sound, so I don't think stacking is a good choice there. 00:42:025 (2) - still got a soft beat sound, but not too loud. If this pattern is not widely use across the map, I think it is better avoid it. fixed
- 00:51:188 (3) - if this pattern is widely used to represent 1/4 snapping in the map, then I think it is okay. BUT you only used for once only, and the visual distance is similar to 1/2 snapping like 00:52:890 (5,1) - , I think it should be avoided. suggested use simiar pattern as 00:40:566 (3,4,1) - . fixed
- in kiai time, overlapping problem appeared. some overlaps like 01:04:728 (1,4) - 01:05:539 (4,3) - 01:07:161 (5,2,4) - 01:12:512 (1,4) - etc. I suggested to avoid these overlap because it is not really good in looking. Play area is so large, why should they overlap? fixed all
- 01:24:998 (4,5) - same rhythm with 01:30:188 (4,5,6) - 01:32:782 (4,5,6,7) - but different combination of circle and sliders. Please make them consistence. fixed all but last, i think that one's fine
- Strong beats: 00:24:674 - 00:27:269 (1) - 00:51:917 (1) - 01:06:025 (1) - 01:13:809 (1) - 01:17:701 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - missing jumping to emphasize strong beat sounds. especially 00:51:917 (1) -, although you tried to put into a pattern, but it is not suitable to use this pattern here, because of the strong beats. fixed
- nc should be at 00:42:836 (5) - instead of 00:43:485 (1) - , because you put nc every big white ticks (or red tick before), it is better to keep consistent. fixed
- 00:45:431 (5) - 00:48:025 (5) - missing nc fixed
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Elcheer: Really sorry about it. I cannot stop myself.Elcheer wrote:
that was a lot
extra edit:Arphimigon wrote:
[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything? nc.
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk Both are okay.
1) Although both beats are strong here, I think using slider here can show the different between clam part (less dense) and normal part(more dense).
2) I didn't use the rhythm you suggested in the rest of the map, so I think it is better to prevent.
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OniKaree Pan wrote:
What do you mean late ? Better than never right ? Panda my Friend, glad to see you again
[Poii's Muzukashii]
00:23:215 (89) - k here would separate the bassdrums and add some depth to the guitar pitch dropping. its vocal
00:31:485 - You could add another 3plet in this section somewhere to map it a bit more intense than the previous section now that the drums have kicked in.
00:38:134 - ^ Here too add somthing
00:47:215 (172,179) - You could consider deleting these triplets (and then remap the section a bit cause k spam) I think it works better with the way you start this section and also has better spread with Oni. adjust it a lil
00:55:485 (198) - I think this should match the previous note. kat
01:13:404 (269) - Dont think this is necessary ? ithink its ok
01:27:593 (338) - d would emphasize the next note more, could even consider another d at 01:27:755 - don
[Poii's Oni]
00:19:809 (97) - k flows so much better and emphasizes the ddk ddk coming up more. doesnt fit with the kick
00:34:728 - A bit awkward with the two 3plets here, you could just move 00:34:809 (23) - to 00:35:215 - and map it kkddk did something
00:35:701 - Consider kdk_d, i think it suits better.did smth
00:54:188 (116) - d would separate this one from the upcoming k_k one more smth smth
01:06:188 (169) - Would delete this to match the way you map the long vocals in the kiai.
01:08:863 (186) - You could consider moving this triplet to 01:08:701 - and adding another one 01:09:998 - to be consistent with the way you map sets with two 3plets in the kiai. okay
It's good! This is mostly personal preferences.
Good luck with the set!
Kyle Y wrote:
Desperation
- If you choose remapping spacing after reading this modding, please consider to rise the SR also. Why would I raise the SR?
Remapping only means re-locate the objects with the given rhythm, doesn't mean mapping from zero.
Also, it doesn't mean you need to find a number of modding afterward if quality is acceptable to rank.
-----------------(major)---------------- (!) I think you should work more on spacing, currently the objects got similar spacing because you used distance snapped? turn out it will be less emphasizing effect. Please pay attention on which beats are stronger, and which are much more stronger to have a comparison, and place with a suitable spacing. here are some examples:
00:01:809 - is weak, 00:01:971 - more stronger, 00:02:620 - much more stronger.
00:10:566 - is weak, 00:10:728 - and 00:10:890 - beat stronger, 00:10:890 - stronger vocal (need to emphasize?) , 00:11:539 - much more stronger (highest among four, or break flowing?) Well, the thing is that I can't really emphasize everything at once. There are vocals, some sort of drum beats and piano sounds and since the vocals and drum beats are very monotonous, I decided to give the sliders with piano sounds a little more spacing because a modder suggested it. But the difference is still small because it's the intro and I feel like more or less consistent spacing fits very well so I'm not going to make the spacing significantly bigger anywhere in this section. I fixed something though.- (!) Some 1/1 slider can be break into 1/2 sliders or circles and it seems more reasonable, like 00:00:674 (4) -. Slider end got a weak emphasizing effect than clickable objects. Comparison again, 00:00:998 - vocal is stronger than 00:01:161 - , so at least 00:00:998 - need to be a clickable object here, and 00:01:161 - depends. This principle apply on the rest of the map, like 00:13:485 (4) - 01:03:431 (1) - etc.
Some 1/1 slider is reasonable like 01:02:134 (1) - because slider end is weak. I don't follow that logic in my map. In my opinion, using a 1/1 slider represents those parts of the song better since it's a prolonged sound that lasts until the next sound which is 1 beat after it. If I used a 1/2 instead,
I would basically break it in the middle which doesn't fit as well. Sliderends can also be used for sounds that are equally important as the ones on sliderheads so yeah I think the way I used them works perfectly.- (O) I think you are following vocal most of the time, so I think 00:31:161 - should be place this rhythm. because 00:31:647 - this got vocal sound but 00:31:971 - don't:
No I'm literally following the drums, idc about vocals in this section
another common rhythm is as below, circle 5 and 6, because it is more easy to emphasized 00:32:458 - . 00:32:134 (5,1) - slider to slider is hard to break-flow to emphasized beats (slider usually got drop-off flow)
I use this flow for most of this part, I don't see anything wrong with it?
If you want to remain the rhythm, I suggest you stacking 00:31:809 (3,4) - because movement stopped here and moving to object 5 got a emphasized effect to the stronger vocal here. um... this placement seems good here to emphasize 00:32:458 - . (still modding on rest of the rhythm like 00:32:458 - to 00:38:944 - ) I only use stacks if there is something special to emphasize but in this case there is nothing like that
-----------------(minor)---------------- (O) 00:25:566 - missing beat I don't map these sounds
- (O) 00:40:890 (1,2) - This is the highest diff, you can tried different rhythm like circles in 1/3 snapped, or this rhythm is also fun to play:
I don't like it, I simply prefer keeping reverse sliders.
In fact, Insane diff also got the same problem, because you use similar rhythm as Extra diff. Spacing problem still happened in Insane diff, like 00:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4) - . I saw you tried to use pentagon here (not drawn well). If it is light insane diff (or known as hyper diff), then jumping at 00:10:728 (3,4) - is acceptable. I fixed that pattern
I just mod insane diff next time, if I have time.
thxArphimigon wrote:
woah
[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that. there's no finish emphasis here
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix did
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Mitsuna- wrote:
[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive Alright changed
01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird already explainedKyle Y wrote:
M4M request
Space's Insane
- 00:07:890 - 00:08:053 - 00:08:215 - I cannot hear 1/4 sounds, please further confirm if any over-map here. Removed first 1/4 stack, 2nd one is introductary on the vocal pitch shift
- 00:08:458 (3,4) - 00:28:890 (2,3,4) - 00:56:134 (2,3,4) - because it is an 5-star map, I think it is not that good to use reverse slider here. Players suppose to have a higher intensity map for higher SR. Please use 1/4 slider jump or stream instead. I really hate streams + jump and I feel slider jumps would be way too extreme
- 00:49:971 (3) - should be a slider like 00:49:323 (1,2) - ? If you want to keep circle here, I guess 00:49:323 (1,2) - should change to circle also becasue both of them are vocal sound. If you remain, then please nc 00:50:296 (4) - because it is more clear to read between 1/2 and 1/1 snapped objects. Removed 2nd slider, kept first one due to it being on a downbeat.
- 00:51:431 - strong beat sound here, it should not be a slider end but clickable object to emphasize the beat. You're right, changed this to notes instead of sliders.
- 00:53:215 (1,2) - why here change to follow vocal so sudden. at the same time, 00:54:512 (1,2) - is follow beat again for similar things. There is no profound music to map to.
- 00:57:755 (3) - this slider seems weird here. Your followed vocal here, but 00:58:080 - this sound should not be slider end because it is major vocal sound. at the same time, 00:58:890 - should be delete because there is no vocal sound for you to follow. Kept first slider for consistent and removed note for vocal sound consistency.
- 01:17:620 (6) - any sound? changed
- 01:17:863 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this jump do not fit thr song here. There is no strong beat, then why this jump should be jump? The only reason I can think of it to rise SR, but osu! is a rhythm game..... Please map based on the songs. There is a very clear jump in intensity,
the guitar has profoundly changed and his vocals are getting progressive here, in line with the difficulty buildup.
These two set of jump consist of 0.2 stars.... that's mean it is pp jump. Nothing wrong with pp jumps.- 01:25:647 (1) - 01:30:836 (1) - this rhythm repeated 01:23:053 (1,2,3) - . and there is no reason for you to skip the strong sound 01:25:809 - . Forgot to add sharp curvature.
- 01:30:836 (1,3) - this flowing is not that smooth, please try to fix it. The cursor won't be moving for the majority of the slider, especially the beginning.
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still better than yours normalsShunao wrote:
irohas' normal is eurkkk
Sorry I didn't mean to go against the Kudosu rules, I thought that was allowed.Regraz wrote:
Modding this map soon. (M4M request about a month ago.)
Do NOT abuse Kudosu on this map, it could be deemed as a violation to the community rules. And it wil NOT help you with the ranking process, and even makes your map ranked SLOWER.
i'll ask more friend to mod oni diffSkylish wrote:
Re-check here as you have got a few Taiko mods already:
[General]
! Title naming is remained unsolved (referring to p/6458286). Try getting help from the BNs in metadata group.
[Muzukashii]
> 00:06:512 (17,18) - k k, be consistent with 00:05:215 (13,14) - mirror
> 00:30:836 - potential triplet here due to the presence of 1/4 drum hits in the music, same mapping style at 00:20:458 - .ok
> 00:51:107 - let's see if ddd d k fits better for the guitar glizzando (sliding notes) and drum hits on 00:51:269 - /00:51:431 - / 00:51:593 - yeah i can hear the guitar sound, but thats not what i mainly followed
> 01:04:728 - / 01:15:107 - they seem to be missing with Finishers! The cymbal crashes are clearer cymbal on 01:07:323 (245) - is louder than 01:04:728 (234) - and i think kat can cover the low cymbal crash there
> 01:20:296 - / 01:21:593 - same as above this one is louder than you mentioned above, ok finisher
[Oni]
> 00:19:647 - let's try modifying a bit: 00:19:647 (96) -
00:19:647 (96,97,98) - clear d d d for the melody
00:20:134 (99,100,101) - / 00:20:458 (102,103,104,105,106) - kkd and kkkkd reflect the drum well
The importance of this suggestion is the cut at 00:20:053 - , because if you put note on this timing, the whole pattern sound a bit blurred and clumsy. modified
> 00:34:323 - shift it to 00:34:485 - for a smoother flow ok
> 00:38:863 - same rationale as a both, 00:38:863 - is empty and 00:38:944 - is kkd here
> 00:40:485 - weird place for a triplet, shift it to 00:40:323 - if you want to keep a triplet in that phrase. will consider this
> 00:40:674 - remove this note (and green timing point as well)as the 1/3 section starts from 00:40:782 - ok
> 00:40:782 - it should be in d k k d k k d K to keep a steady and smooth flow. do smth here
> 00:55:971 - shift it to 00:55:647 - , for isolating the vocal notes at 00:56:134 - ok
! 01:04:728 - / 01:07:323 - / ... These notes are ought to be isolated K in Oni, variations of introduction to them could be varied to increase difficulty comparing with Muzukashii. Using a triplet to mask the obvious cymbal crashes lost the accent of this music.
An example of addressing the above mentioned issue, 01:03:755 (151) -
You will fix 01:07:323 - on your own. Please also check whether the cymbal crashes are consistent with K, I noticed that at the 2nd half of Kiai, they were almost all missed. (01:15:107 - / 01:20:296 - / ...)
> 01:12:836 - constant d k but not kkd
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I expect great changes in Kiai of Oni, please do self-modding after you finished applying my mods. When the metadata stuff and Taiko difficulties are settled, call me back.
Vulkin wrote:
M4M for ulko - look at her
-Poii's Muzukashii-
00:25:485 - Why not a kkk here? for that hi-hat (?) sound i followed the vocal
00:25:971 (98) - IMO this note could really use a finisher, cymbal sound is strong here sure
00:51:107 - kkk d d would fit pretty nicely to follow the guitar sound added triplet
01:03:917 - A note really feels like it could fit here, either k or d works imo, but d would be best im not sure, and the vocal is paused(?)
i dunno so i added space there
-Poii's Oni-
00:19:809 (97) - IMO this would be best as k, would do consistency with the previous patterns that you did, or is it different to warn of a small change incoming? kat'd
00:25:485 - maybe a kkk could fit here for that hi-hat sound thingy maybe yes, to make it lil bit differ with muzu
00:41:701 - why not follow the voice here? or is it to emphasize the calmness of this part of the song? don
OK
Poii maps this genre way too well, fits the song so nicely
I love it!
good job!
jack, can you change this 00:46:242 (171) - to clap ? on muzuWhiteLotus- wrote:
Halo!
langsung aja deh
muzu not futsuuPoii''s futsuu00:08:782 (28) - ganti d aja biar flow sama 00:08:458 (25,26,27) - 00:08:782 (28,29,30) - liriknya mendukung kdk
00:46:242 (171) - kalo cuma vokal k aja biar konsisten sama sebelahnya my bad, harusnya emang kk
00:47:701 (176) - d konsistensi ama oni
01:06:998 (244) - d naaa ii, liriknya gitu jadi k
01:20:620 (307) - d 01:20:620 (307) - high pitch vocal
Sori shortmod karena cuma bisa mod ampe futsuu doang
Gudlak
MuzuSpooky Mango wrote:
Both Taiko Difficulties
00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323 - These notes might not have to be large, they have less impact than the ones before them and the space after gives enough emphasis already. This also makes the large dons before each one feel more important they have loud cymbals sound
01:07:323 - The large note in both difficulties here should be small, theres no need to emphasize this point.cymbal + high vocal pitch, it deserve it
01:24:188 , 01:26:782 , 01:29:377 , 01:31:971 - Same issue as the first suggestion. (00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323)
Poii's Muzukashii
00:20:782 (80) - The sound isn't very impactful here and shouldn't be a large don, changing it to a small don would make more sense and be consistent with Oni.loud cymbal crash
00:31:161 (121) - Same issue as previous.consistency with prev
01:09:917 (257) - This doesn't need to be large, make it small. 01:08:620 (252) is the same tone and is small, Turn (257) small to keep consistent with this.i put big notes for every cymbal crash that i think important or have some impact on that part, so i keep them
01:17:701 (294) and 01:20:296 (306) - Make it small
Poii's Oni
00:25:971 (127) - Change this to a large Katu instead of a large Don, this adds consistency with Muzukashii. change muzu
00:41:539 (217) - Change this to a large Don instead of large Katu, once again for consistency with Muzu.
i put big notes for every cymbal crash that i think important or have some impact on that part, so i keep them
oniSkylish wrote:
Re^2 check:
[General]
> 00:36:350 - must be a common FINISHER, same as 00:25:971 - ok
[Oni]
> 00:25:485 - unnatural note flow, remove it since it does not match the vocal much del
> 00:35:782 - you can feel that this section is similar to 00:25:323 - , so the density should be lower here, remove the triplet
> 00:39:593 - should be rhythmic identical to 00:38:944 - , add a ddk at 00:39:593 - can fit well.
! 00:41:539 - 1/3 nN pattern should be in alternative colour, in this case d K please...
> 00:55:647 - shift it to 00:55:971 - and change it to k, same rationale as 00:39:593 - all ok
> 01:03:917 - flow problem again, let's try k dkd d k k: your original patterns nnn n nnn are a bit confusing in terms of flow. The change of intensity was awkward there. changed
> 01:14:296 - ^ apply something here too yes
> 01:17:134 - shift it to 01:17:458 - , little drum hit could be heard clearly in game-play. The absence of triplet does not feel good.
> 01:20:296 - similar to 01:09:917 - , add a triplet here. Suggestion: 01:19:809 - kkd k ddd k k did smth, but not double triplet, i think one triplet is enough bcs i have double 01:20:944 - here
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Only Oni has a few issues, fix them and find me to confirm the taiko, Poii!
Jack, you make a great step to rank this mapsetRegraz wrote:
M4M from queue. Sorry for late!
[Hard]
00:46:080 Should be mapped out for the vocal and piano.
changed to reverse slider here, 00:46:080 - added whistle for hitsound consistency with other diff, and rearranged the pattern to fit this rhythm change.
You could call me back when you are ready.
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fixed both, thanks!Regraz wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:16:728 (1) - Ctrl+G for better flow.
00:33:431 (6,1) - I think they are too close as if they were 1/4.
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Regraz wrote:
M4M from queue. Sorry for late!
[Easy]
00:07:890 (1) - Too short. Ok, replaced by regular notes
[Insane]
01:12:350 (5,1) - Should be larger in spacing, or at least equal to 01:12:188 (4,5) - . I ctrl+g'd this, spacing is larger now
01:22:890 (6,1) - Please apply same spacing as 00:08:944 (6,1) - . Increased spacing and changed pattern a little
[Desperation]
00:50:458 (4,1) - I think larger spacing should be placed so that people wont misread them as 1/2 jump. Increased spacing but not too much since the whole section uses low spacing
You could call me back when you are ready.
Regraz wrote:
[Fapu's Extra]
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Flow here is awkward. Try smoother ones.
00:54:512 (1,2,3,4) - I believe you could do blankets better.
01:17:539 (6,1) - I think they should be placed with larger spacing for emphasis on cymbal.
>All applied, for notice:
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - Decreased the DS a bit and still wanna retain the current pattern as it is the overall flow the diff is going to be.
00:54:512 (1,2,3,4) - Yes
01:17:539 (6,1) - Moved the 1/4 triple downwards
>Also made some minor changes to improve the aesthetics of the map
You could call me back when you are ready. Ooo Yes :3c
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Regraz wrote:
[Space's Insane]
00:14:620 (2,3,4,5) - I am not in favor of this placement. The stack is hard to read and I can't figure out any music support here as there are clear 1/4 beats within 00:14:944 (4,5) - . 01:27:593 (3,4) - Same here and 01:32:782 (3,4,1) - . Due to the difficulty I believe this is achievable given its star rating, also for the 1/4 I don't hear enough emphasis to add it to what I am mapping, especially since I focus on the guitar sound.
01:17:863 (1) - I would question the hitsound scheme for this part. Cymbal spam is not a good idea in my eyes. Also the default claps and whistles are really weird as to this song. I can see how - I have changed it to make the sounds more consistent
You could call me back when you are ready.
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