HoneyWorks feat. Gero - Jakusha no Sengen [Osu|Taiko] · forum

leo16834

471 posts

Joined August 2011

leo16834 2018-02-14T05:41:57+00:00

Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) -

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ?
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

Arphimigon

1,650 posts

Joined December 2014

Arphimigon 2018-02-14T14:58:05+00:00

woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also)

[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that.
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix

[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything?
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk

[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T15:21:32+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
woah

[Easy]
00:05:215 (1,2,3,4) - So you do this particular rhythms with the reverses and stuff when this vocal happens, but the next time it happens at 00:25:971 (1,2,3) - you chose something different! Try changing one of the two to be like the other? (also 00:36:350 (1,2,3) - this is the same vocal also) I did this because the drums at 00:05:215 (1,3) - are a lot stronger than in the other parts so I wanted to emphasize those drums but thanks for the suggestion

Last time I looked at the higher diffs afaik so here's a mod on the lower and newer ones.
Bai o/

Thanks for looking at my map again :3

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-02-14T17:05:48+00:00

leo16834 wrote:
Hi~ From my modding Q

I had discussed with Faputa before this xD p/6329218#p6329218

Poii's Muzukashii

00:25:323 (96,97) - Personally I would like this part use k d because the vocal is high to low 00:25:647 - have stronger sound
00:41:215 (157) - d ? I think this one can rendered next part 00:41:539 (158,159,160,161) - heavy note 00:40:890 (156,157) - vocal
00:43:485 (162,163,164,165) - how about use d k and k d ? Symmetrical is good xD kk and dd is fit tho, wont change
00:46:242 (168) - d , In order to express 00:46:404 (169) - high vocal k
01:20:782 (305) - d , symmetry 01:21:917 (310,311) - snare

Poii's Oni

00:08:863 - How about add some note on here ? no 5plet is fit, and doesnt make the gap in this part between oni and muzu too far
00:26:620 (131) - d ? 2d+2k with 1d is better than d d k k k because 00:26:944 (132,133,134) - is k k d. Personally I would think about good to read xD 30 to d
00:37:647 (39) - k ? long vocal use k I think can it which performed pause Rhythm k
00:53:863 (115,116,120,121) - k d and d k? the reason is the same. Symmetrical is good naah, k for strong vocal here

ok nice map set , shoot star~

Good luck with this set/

ty

Muzu

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Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-14T17:25:48+00:00

Updated again

Btw Poii thanks for all the kudo spam but you really shouldn't waste them on this map xd

Mitsuna-

286 posts

Joined January 2014

Mitsuna- 2018-02-14T22:26:41+00:00

[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe

01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ?
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ?

[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive

01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird

[Fapu's Extra]
I like this diff but i think the flow can be improved if you move some objects to the player expectation
For example, i expected that this slider 01:29:377 (1) - would be further in the top because the spacing is pretty large here 01:29:053 (4,5) - but pretty low here 01:29:215 (5,1) - even if the strongest beat is on this sliderhead 01:29:377 (1) -

Like this mapset, I didn't modded all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Last edited by Mitsuna- 2018-02-17T17:55:38+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-15T01:11:36+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
[Elcheer's Insane]
00:08:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - A small touch to show rising in volume would be to just ever so slightly raise the sv of the second reverse slider, say to 1.1x speed, so it's just a bit faster than the first. Little touches~ fixed
~~00:12:998 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern makes me smile for no good reason.~~ :))))))

jklsaifowefjad

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Serizawa Haruki

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Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-15T01:27:59+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Easy]
00:07:809 (1) - this spinner is really short for an easy diff, some new player might not hit 300 i think, i suggest to end it here 00:09:755 - maybe I can't make it longer because according to the ranking criteria, there need to be 4 beats of spinner recovery time after a spinner in an Easy diff
01:15:107 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:15:917 (2) - ? I think it's better like this because currently the NC is on the strongest beat
01:17:701 (1) - remove NC and put NC here 01:18:512 (2) - too ? Same as above

Like this mapset, I didn't mapped all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Thank you!

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-15T16:55:19+00:00

M4M request

I talked about the problems in this mapset to Jack before, except my gd (because I cannot self mod). Problem in Easy, Normal diff is not that serious, but of course quality could be much more higher. So, I focus on insanes this time.

Elcheer's Insane

00:00:026 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - at this part, you use clickable objects for EVERY vocal, but in 00:05:539 (3,5) - you didn't. Actually, this rhythm is similar to 00:00:350 (3,4,6,7) - . So I think it is better to keep consistence here.
00:08:458 (3) - This is an Insane diff, so I supposed to have jumping 1/4 slider. At the same this, it can emphasize the beat 00:08:458 -
and 00:08:782 (4) - by using a jump here. 00:08:782 - this is a strong beat, so I don't think overlapping is a suitable choice here. (similar modding applied to 01:27:593 (3) - )
00:19:809 (2,3,4) - I don't disagree you use stacking stream, but at least you need to stack 00:20:052 (5) - also. 00:20:052 (5) - is not a strong beat but 00:20:134 - instead. it is more reasonable that 00:20:052 (5) - is in stacking stream and 00:20:133 (1) - in the normal stream.
00:20:782 - this part share the same rhythm as the very beginning 00:00:026 - . I think you can use different pattern but still same rhythm for consistency.
00:25:566 - this triplet sound is quite loud, skipping this sound seems quite weird.
00:30:350 (4) - I guess it is more reasonable to stack 00:31:161 - but not 00:31:080 - .
00:41:539 (1,2) - you use stacking slider end for 1/2 rhythm here but 00:42:836 (5,1) - 1/1 rhythm follow by, so it is really good to do so? You use this pattern for twice only, other position is 01:10:728 (4,5) - . 01:11:053 - got a strong beat sound, so I don't think stacking is a good choice there. 00:42:025 (2) - still got a soft beat sound, but not too loud. If this pattern is not widely use across the map, I think it is better avoid it.
00:51:188 (3) - if this pattern is widely used to represent 1/4 snapping in the map, then I think it is okay. BUT you only used for once only, and the visual distance is similar to 1/2 snapping like 00:52:890 (5,1) - , I think it should be avoided. suggested use simiar pattern as 00:40:566 (3,4,1) - .
in kiai time, overlapping problem appeared. some overlaps like 01:04:728 (1,4) - 01:05:539 (4,3) - 01:07:161 (5,2,4) - 01:12:512 (1,4) - etc. I suggested to avoid these overlap because it is not really good in looking. Play area is so large, why should they overlap?
01:24:998 (4,5) - same rhythm with 01:30:188 (4,5,6) - 01:32:782 (4,5,6,7) - but different combination of circle and sliders. Please make them consistence.
Strong beats: 00:24:674 - 00:27:269 (1) - 00:51:917 (1) - 01:06:025 (1) - 01:13:809 (1) - 01:17:701 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - missing jumping to emphasize strong beat sounds. especially 00:51:917 (1) -, although you tried to put into a pattern, but it is not suitable to use this pattern here, because of the strong beats.
nc should be at 00:42:836 (5) - instead of 00:43:485 (1) - , because you put nc every big white ticks (or red tick before), it is better to keep consistent.
00:45:431 (5) - 00:48:025 (5) - missing nc

Space's Insane

00:07:890 - 00:08:053 - 00:08:215 - I cannot hear 1/4 sounds, please further confirm if any over-map here.
00:08:458 (3,4) - 00:28:890 (2,3,4) - 00:56:134 (2,3,4) - because it is an 5-star map, I think it is not that good to use reverse slider here. Players suppose to have a higher intensity map for higher SR. Please use 1/4 slider jump or stream instead.
00:49:971 (3) - should be a slider like 00:49:323 (1,2) - ? If you want to keep circle here, I guess 00:49:323 (1,2) - should change to circle also becasue both of them are vocal sound. If you remain, then please nc 00:50:296 (4) - because it is more clear to read between 1/2 and 1/1 snapped objects.
00:51:431 - strong beat sound here, it should not be a slider end but clickable object to emphasize the beat.
00:53:215 (1,2) - why here change to follow vocal so sudden. at the same time, 00:54:512 (1,2) - is follow beat again for similar things.
00:57:755 (3) - this slider seems weird here. Your followed vocal here, but 00:58:080 - this sound should not be slider end because it is major vocal sound. at the same time, 00:58:890 - should be delete because there is no vocal sound for you to follow.
01:17:620 (6) - any sound?
01:17:863 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this jump do not fit thr song here. There is no strong beat, then why this jump should be jump? The only reason I can think of it to rise SR, but osu! is a rhythm game..... Please map based on the songs.
These two set of jump consist of 0.2 stars.... that's mean it is pp jump.
01:25:647 (1) - 01:30:836 (1) - this rhythm repeated 01:23:053 (1,2,3) - . and there is no reason for you to skip the strong sound 01:25:809 - .
01:30:836 (1,3) - this flowing is not that smooth, please try to fix it.

Faputa

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Faputa 2018-02-17T12:24:35+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Fapu's Extra]
I like this diff but i think the flow can be improved if you move some objects to the player expectation
For example, i expected that this slider 01:29:377 (1) - would be further in the top because the spacing is pretty large here 01:29:053 (4,5) - but pretty low here 01:29:215 (5,1) - even if the strongest beat is on this sliderhead 01:29:377 (1) - Fixed here.
As well as polishing the diff for one more time.

Like this mapset, I didn't mapped all diffs because some of the diffs are really clean enough and everything i wanted to say has been updated xd
Good luck !

Thanks Mitsuna <3

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Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-19T06:50:53+00:00

No kudosu!!!!!!!!! No kudosu!!!!!!!!!
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(conc. modding)
Fapu's Extra

00:02:620 (1,2) - This is quite misleading that the visual ds is quite similar (or even the same with) 00:02:296 (4,5) -
00:04:323 (3,5) - Any sound here? I can hear nothing, and I think it is over-mapped here, unless you can explain why.
00:04:890 (7,1) - visual distance again(with 00:07:161 (4,5) - ). Also, 00:05:215 - is strong beat, missing jumping here to emphasize beat.
00:06:188 - this beat is much more stronger than 00:06:025 - , so it is more reasonable to have clickable object on 00:06:188 - instead of 00:06:025 - , I suggest you use this rhythm:
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm inconsistent with 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , they got similar rhythm. Guitar sound at 00:10:566 - and 00:10:890 - is major rhythm, I can understand why 00:10:566 - is slider end, but why 00:10:890 - ?
00:14:782 (3,4) - flowing is quite weird here. You use flowing break before like 00:13:971 (6,1) - is for emphasizing beats, so why flowing break here?
00:14:944 (4,6) - I suggest you not to stacking this two objects but small overlap for clear reading.
00:19:647 - stream actually started from here. 00:19:809 (2,3) - I expected to have circles instead of reverse 1/4 slider because it is extra diff, similar with 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
00:22:080 (1) - this is 3/4 slider, then why not 00:23:377 (1) - ? why not for those have similar vocal rhythm like 00:21:431 (4) - 00:22:728 (3) - ?
00:25:323 (3) - change to circle triplet?
00:25:647 (4) - this beat is quite strong, jump?
00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this rhythm can be much more fun to play, like 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or even this. Stacking seems even boring than my pattern in hard diff.
00:33:107 (3,4) - not clear to read.
00:47:377 (3,4) - stacking
00:51:917 (1,2,3,4) - I don't disagree to use this rhythm, but this pattern seems much more easier than Hard diff. See if this pattern feel better?
00:56:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this pattern is good. But 00:56:944 (7,1) - should be having larger ds than 00:56:782 (6,7) -
00:57:107 (1,2,3) - this rhythm is same as 00:59:701 (4,5,1) - if you stack circle 1 and 2, then it is more reasonable to stack circle 4 and 5 also. btw, 00:59:701 (4) - nc.
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Overall, flowing can be much more better. Some flow-breaking are for emphasizing strong beats, but some just quite meaningless to do so, like 00:14:782 (3,4) - 00:21:431 (4,5) - 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:23:053 (4,5,1) - 00:26:620 (3,4,5) - etc. I am not the only modder to talk about flowing, but I think I am not the last one if you do not work on it.
Object-placement can be better, now I can only feel that you use high ds to rise SR, like 00:13:323 (2,3,4,5,6) - , especially in kiai time, which I don't really agree to it. I think you need to know which beat should be emphasized and place a relatively high ds there.
If you can use high SR but I can't feel it is un-reasonable, then.... it's great.
Rhythm, I can see you tried to use extended slider, but I think you are still not familiar with it. 00:02:620 (1,2) - 00:07:161 (4,5) - and 00:22:080 (1,2) - both are okay to use extended slider, the problem is about consistency only.

Faputa

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1,081 posts

Joined May 2011

Faputa 2018-02-19T14:50:26+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
No kudosu!!!!!!!!! No kudosu!!!!!!!!!
[]
(conc. modding)
Fapu's Extra
00:02:620 (1,2) - This is quite misleading that the visual ds is quite similar (or even the same with) 00:02:296 (4,5) -
I think the slider tick gives enough clue that where the next note stands in (00:02:944 (2) - ), and the fact that the starting notes are all snapped in 1/2. So I don't think it would be too misleading. I've let some testplayers to test it, and they all can hit that.
00:04:323 (3,5) - Any sound here? I can hear nothing, and I think it is over-mapped here, unless you can explain why.
Why many people thinks so.. There's guitar sounds. Please slow down to 25% to hear it clearly. And overall when hearing the music, it feels like not a 1/2, but rather 1/4.
00:04:890 (7,1) - visual distance again(with 00:07:161 (4,5) - ). Also, 00:05:215 - is strong beat, missing jumping here to emphasize beat.
tbh it feels alright when playing. And the 9.3AR makes it legit enough for visual. Also for the argument of strong beat, I don't map jumps for calm -> strong sounds in this map, but only strong -> strong sounds. I think that it is not bad.
00:06:188 - this beat is much more stronger than 00:06:025 - , so it is more reasonable to have clickable object on 00:06:188 - instead of 00:06:025 - , I suggest you use this rhythm:

Actually I mapped here so that the clickable sounds all match with the guitar. The beat at 00:06:025 - is not to be emphasized actually, and the attention is grabbed into the stacks here, so player won't feel weird.
00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - rhythm inconsistent with 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - , they got similar rhythm. Guitar sound at 00:10:566 - and 00:10:890 - is major rhythm, I can understand why 00:10:566 - is slider end, but why 00:10:890 - ?
The rhythm choice here is not random, 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - corresponds to 00:15:593 (1,2,3,4,5) - and 00:12:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - corresponds to 00:18:188 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . The choice of two sliders doesn't make it weird, really.
00:14:782 (3,4) - flowing is quite weird here. You use flowing break before like 00:13:971 (6,1) - is for emphasizing beats, so why flowing break here?
Its also for emphasizing. The feeling of a star shape and ends it with a strong beat makes me want to insert a flowing break here.
00:14:944 (4,6) - I suggest you not to stacking this two objects but small overlap for clear reading.
By the time 6 fades in, the other notes already faded out. And remember this is an extra diff. Reading is another aspect of complicated map aesthetics.
00:19:647 - stream actually started from here. 00:19:809 (2,3) - I expected to have circles instead of reverse 1/4 slider because it is extra diff, similar with 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
I would rather not doing so. The streams occupied by the current sliders are not as loud as 00:20:458 (4,5,6,7) - , and it really doesn't sound like 00:08:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
00:22:080 (1) - this is 3/4 slider, then why not 00:23:377 (1) - ? why not for those have similar vocal rhythm like 00:21:431 (4) - 00:22:728 (3) - ?
Because the "Ko" sound is louder than any other sounds here, and it sustains longer.
00:25:323 (3) - change to circle triplet?
Doing so will make here overly emphasized.
00:25:647 (4) - this beat is quite strong, jump?
I think not. It is at the middle of the calm section of the first part of the song. Making jump here would make it straining.
00:29:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this rhythm can be much more fun to play, like 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - or even this. Stacking seems even boring than my pattern in hard diff.
I know this is quite boring, but making them to a less variation prepare players to hit the burst at 00:30:836 (7,8,9,10) -
00:33:107 (3,4) - not clear to read.
I think it is fine. I mapped trapezium shaped by circles here and players can quickly realize that and being able to hit them.
00:47:377 (3,4) - stacking Changed 00:47:377 (3) - to x:135 y:239
00:51:917 (1,2,3,4) - I don't disagree to use this rhythm, but this pattern seems much more easier than Hard diff. See if this pattern feel better?
Spaced them more, to 1.2x of original.
00:56:134 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this pattern is good. But 00:56:944 (7,1) - should be having larger ds than 00:56:782 (6,7) -
The vocal sounds give a hint on the music is going to be calm again. So a decreasing DS here looks fine.
00:57:107 (1,2,3) - this rhythm is same as 00:59:701 (4,5,1) - if you stack circle 1 and 2, then it is more reasonable to stack circle 4 and 5 also. btw, 00:59:701 (4) - nc. This is to create resemblance 00:57:107 (1,2,3) - for 01:00:998 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - . And agree for the NC
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Overall, flowing can be much more better. Some flow-breaking are for emphasizing strong beats, but some just quite meaningless to do so, like 00:14:782 (3,4) - 00:21:431 (4,5) - 00:10:404 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:23:053 (4,5,1) - 00:26:620 (3,4,5) - etc. I am not the only modder to talk about flowing, but I think I am not the last one if you do not work on it. I'll see if I can make it better sometime
Object-placement can be better, now I can only feel that you use high ds to rise SR, like 00:13:323 (2,3,4,5,6) - , especially in kiai time, which I don't really agree to it. I think you need to know which beat should be emphasized and place a relatively high ds there.The DS change is reasonably designed in this map I guess..
If you can use high SR but I can't feel it is un-reasonable, then.... it's great.
Rhythm, I can see you tried to use extended slider, but I think you are still not familiar with it. 00:02:620 (1,2) - 00:07:161 (4,5) - and 00:22:080 (1,2) - both are okay to use extended slider, the problem is about consistency only.
Maybe.

Thanks for your time and help! Kyle

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Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-19T18:58:26+00:00

You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-20T03:23:21+00:00

J a c k wrote:
You totally deserve kudosu for that Kyle

um.... please refer to kudosu rules. Because I separated into two posts of modding, and it is still count as one.
So, I write no kudosu. That kudosu will be declined soon by others, never mind.

Elcheer

419 posts

Joined May 2014

Elcheer 2018-02-20T17:31:43+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
M4M request

I talked about the problems in this mapset to Jack before, except my gd (because I cannot self mod). Problem in Easy, Normal diff is not that serious, but of course quality could be much more higher. So, I focus on insanes this time.

Elcheer's Insane
00:00:026 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - at this part, you use clickable objects for EVERY vocal, but in 00:05:539 (3,5) - you didn't. Actually, this rhythm is similar to 00:00:350 (3,4,6,7) - . So I think it is better to keep consistence here. i think how i have it is better to emphasize drums
00:08:458 (3) - This is an Insane diff, so I supposed to have jumping 1/4 slider. At the same this, it can emphasize the beat 00:08:458 -
and 00:08:782 (4) - by using a jump here. 00:08:782 - this is a strong beat, so I don't think overlapping is a suitable choice here. (similar modding applied to 01:27:593 (3) - ) would rather not
00:19:809 (2,3,4) - I don't disagree you use stacking stream, but at least you need to stack 00:20:052 (5) - also. 00:20:052 (5) - is not a strong beat but 00:20:134 - instead. it is more reasonable that 00:20:052 (5) - is in stacking stream and 00:20:133 (1) - in the normal stream. fixed
00:20:782 - this part share the same rhythm as the very beginning 00:00:026 - . I think you can use different pattern but still same rhythm for consistency. imo it's fine the way it is, feels different than the very start anyways
00:25:566 - this triplet sound is quite loud, skipping this sound seems quite weird. fixed
00:30:350 (4) - I guess it is more reasonable to stack 00:31:161 - but not 00:31:080 - . fixed
00:41:539 (1,2) - you use stacking slider end for 1/2 rhythm here but 00:42:836 (5,1) - 1/1 rhythm follow by, so it is really good to do so? You use this pattern for twice only, other position is 01:10:728 (4,5) - . 01:11:053 - got a strong beat sound, so I don't think stacking is a good choice there. 00:42:025 (2) - still got a soft beat sound, but not too loud. If this pattern is not widely use across the map, I think it is better avoid it. fixed
00:51:188 (3) - if this pattern is widely used to represent 1/4 snapping in the map, then I think it is okay. BUT you only used for once only, and the visual distance is similar to 1/2 snapping like 00:52:890 (5,1) - , I think it should be avoided. suggested use simiar pattern as 00:40:566 (3,4,1) - . fixed
in kiai time, overlapping problem appeared. some overlaps like 01:04:728 (1,4) - 01:05:539 (4,3) - 01:07:161 (5,2,4) - 01:12:512 (1,4) - etc. I suggested to avoid these overlap because it is not really good in looking. Play area is so large, why should they overlap? fixed all
01:24:998 (4,5) - same rhythm with 01:30:188 (4,5,6) - 01:32:782 (4,5,6,7) - but different combination of circle and sliders. Please make them consistence. fixed all but last, i think that one's fine
Strong beats: 00:24:674 - 00:27:269 (1) - 00:51:917 (1) - 01:06:025 (1) - 01:13:809 (1) - 01:17:701 (1) - 01:20:296 (1) - missing jumping to emphasize strong beat sounds. especially 00:51:917 (1) -, although you tried to put into a pattern, but it is not suitable to use this pattern here, because of the strong beats. fixed
nc should be at 00:42:836 (5) - instead of 00:43:485 (1) - , because you put nc every big white ticks (or red tick before), it is better to keep consistent. fixed
00:45:431 (5) - 00:48:025 (5) - missing nc fixed

that was a lot

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Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-21T18:14:55+00:00

Elcheer wrote:
that was a lot

Elcheer: Really sorry about it. I cannot stop myself.

[]
I found that I missed a modding:

Arphimigon wrote:
[Ky's Hard]
00:40:890 (4,5) - In terms of size, these are almost indistinguishable from the 1/2 sliders and there isn't really much to show that they are 1/3. Try doing something? A different slider shape, a NC, a different SV, anything? nc.
00:51:431 (3) - Two notes perhaps? Kinda feels dull to end on a slider end here before a small pause when both sounds here are pretty stronk Both are okay.
1) Although both beats are strong here, I think using slider here can show the different between clam part (less dense) and normal part(more dense).
2) I didn't use the rhythm you suggested in the rest of the map, so I think it is better to prevent.

extra edit:
00:41:539 (1,2) - ds in clam part changed to 1.3x snapped, many modder pointed out that the objects in this part just touch each other, and it is hard to fix with ds 1.20x
00:48:350 (1,2,3) - remain 1.20 ds (intended)

update!!

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:弱者の宣言
Artist:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
ArtistUnicode:HoneyWorks feat. Gero
Creator:J a c k
Version:Ky's Hard
Source:
Tags:EGOIST Jack J_a_c_k Irohas MugiwaraSekai Kyle_Y Elcheer -Space- Faputa Poii
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Karee Pan

185 posts

Joined December 2015

Karee Pan 2018-02-22T12:00:22+00:00

What do you mean late ? Better than never right ?

[Poii's Muzukashii]
00:23:215 (89) - k here would separate the bassdrums and add some depth to the guitar pitch dropping.
00:31:485 - You could add another 3plet in this section somewhere to map it a bit more intense than the previous section now that the drums have kicked in.
00:38:134 - ^ Here too
00:47:215 (172,179) - You could consider deleting these triplets (and then remap the section a bit cause k spam) I think it works better with the way you start this section and also has better spread with Oni.
00:55:485 (198) - I think this should match the previous note.
01:13:404 (269) - Dont think this is necessary ?
01:27:593 (338) - d would emphasize the next note more, could even consider another d at 01:27:755 -

[Poii's Oni]
00:19:809 (97) - k flows so much better and emphasizes the ddk ddk coming up more.
00:34:728 - A bit awkward with the two 3plets here, you could just move 00:34:809 (23) - to 00:35:215 - and map it kkddk
00:35:701 - Consider kdk_d, i think it suits better.
00:54:188 (116) - d would separate this one from the upcoming k_k one more
01:06:188 (169) - Would delete this to match the way you map the long vocals in the kiai.
01:08:863 (186) - You could consider moving this triplet to 01:08:701 - and adding another one 01:09:998 - to be consistent with the way you map sets with two 3plets in the kiai.

It's good! This is mostly personal preferences.
Good luck with the set!

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-02-22T12:19:23+00:00

Karee Pan wrote:
What do you mean late ? Better than never right ? Panda my Friend, glad to see you again

[Poii's Muzukashii]
00:23:215 (89) - k here would separate the bassdrums and add some depth to the guitar pitch dropping. its vocal
00:31:485 - You could add another 3plet in this section somewhere to map it a bit more intense than the previous section now that the drums have kicked in.
00:38:134 - ^ Here too add somthing
00:47:215 (172,179) - You could consider deleting these triplets (and then remap the section a bit cause k spam) I think it works better with the way you start this section and also has better spread with Oni. adjust it a lil
00:55:485 (198) - I think this should match the previous note. kat
01:13:404 (269) - Dont think this is necessary ? ithink its ok
01:27:593 (338) - d would emphasize the next note more, could even consider another d at 01:27:755 - don

[Poii's Oni]
00:19:809 (97) - k flows so much better and emphasizes the ddk ddk coming up more. doesnt fit with the kick
00:34:728 - A bit awkward with the two 3plets here, you could just move 00:34:809 (23) - to 00:35:215 - and map it kkddk did something
00:35:701 - Consider kdk_d, i think it suits better.did smth
00:54:188 (116) - d would separate this one from the upcoming k_k one more smth smth
01:06:188 (169) - Would delete this to match the way you map the long vocals in the kiai.
01:08:863 (186) - You could consider moving this triplet to 01:08:701 - and adding another one 01:09:998 - to be consistent with the way you map sets with two 3plets in the kiai. okay

It's good! This is mostly personal preferences.
Good luck with the set!

Oni

Muzu

Kyle Y

1,204 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2018-02-24T17:16:07+00:00

Desperation

If you choose remapping spacing after reading this modding, please consider to rise the SR also.
Remapping only means re-locate the objects with the given rhythm, doesn't mean mapping from zero.
Also, it doesn't mean you need to find a number of modding afterward if quality is acceptable to rank.

-----------------(major)---------------
(!) I think you should work more on spacing, currently the objects got similar spacing because you used distance snapped? turn out it will be less emphasizing effect. Please pay attention on which beats are stronger, and which are much more stronger to have a comparison, and place with a suitable spacing. here are some examples:
00:01:809 - is weak, 00:01:971 - more stronger, 00:02:620 - much more stronger.
00:10:566 - is weak, 00:10:728 - and 00:10:890 - beat stronger, 00:10:890 - stronger vocal (need to emphasize?) , 00:11:539 - much more stronger (highest among four, or break flowing?)
(!) Some 1/1 slider can be break into 1/2 sliders or circles and it seems more reasonable, like 00:00:674 (4) -. Slider end got a weak emphasizing effect than clickable objects. Comparison again, 00:00:998 - vocal is stronger than 00:01:161 - , so at least 00:00:998 - need to be a clickable object here, and 00:01:161 - depends. This principle apply on the rest of the map, like 00:13:485 (4) - 01:03:431 (1) - etc.
Some 1/1 slider is reasonable like 01:02:134 (1) - because slider end is weak.
(O) I think you are following vocal most of the time, so I think 00:31:161 - should be place this rhythm. because 00:31:647 - this got vocal sound but 00:31:971 - don't:

another common rhythm is as below, circle 5 and 6, because it is more easy to emphasized 00:32:458 - . 00:32:134 (5,1) - slider to slider is hard to break-flow to emphasized beats (slider usually got drop-off flow)

If you want to remain the rhythm, I suggest you stacking 00:31:809 (3,4) - because movement stopped here and moving to object 5 got a emphasized effect to the stronger vocal here. um... this placement seems good here to emphasize 00:32:458 - . (still modding on rest of the rhythm like 00:32:458 - to 00:38:944 - )

-----------------(minor)---------------
(O) 00:25:566 - missing beat
(O) 00:40:890 (1,2) - This is the highest diff, you can tried different rhythm like circles in 1/3 snapped, or this rhythm is also fun to play:

In fact, Insane diff also got the same problem, because you use similar rhythm as Extra diff. Spacing problem still happened in Insane diff, like 00:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4) - . I saw you tried to use pentagon here (not drawn well). If it is light insane diff (or known as hyper diff), then jumping at 00:10:728 (3,4) - is acceptable.

I just mod insane diff next time, if I have time.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-02-25T10:39:46+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:
Desperation
If you choose remapping spacing after reading this modding, please consider to rise the SR also. Why would I raise the SR?
Remapping only means re-locate the objects with the given rhythm, doesn't mean mapping from zero.
Also, it doesn't mean you need to find a number of modding afterward if quality is acceptable to rank.

-----------------(major)---------------
(!) I think you should work more on spacing, currently the objects got similar spacing because you used distance snapped? turn out it will be less emphasizing effect. Please pay attention on which beats are stronger, and which are much more stronger to have a comparison, and place with a suitable spacing. here are some examples:
00:01:809 - is weak, 00:01:971 - more stronger, 00:02:620 - much more stronger.
00:10:566 - is weak, 00:10:728 - and 00:10:890 - beat stronger, 00:10:890 - stronger vocal (need to emphasize?) , 00:11:539 - much more stronger (highest among four, or break flowing?) Well, the thing is that I can't really emphasize everything at once. There are vocals, some sort of drum beats and piano sounds and since the vocals and drum beats are very monotonous, I decided to give the sliders with piano sounds a little more spacing because a modder suggested it. But the difference is still small because it's the intro and I feel like more or less consistent spacing fits very well so I'm not going to make the spacing significantly bigger anywhere in this section. I fixed something though.
(!) Some 1/1 slider can be break into 1/2 sliders or circles and it seems more reasonable, like 00:00:674 (4) -. Slider end got a weak emphasizing effect than clickable objects. Comparison again, 00:00:998 - vocal is stronger than 00:01:161 - , so at least 00:00:998 - need to be a clickable object here, and 00:01:161 - depends. This principle apply on the rest of the map, like 00:13:485 (4) - 01:03:431 (1) - etc.
Some 1/1 slider is reasonable like 01:02:134 (1) - because slider end is weak. I don't follow that logic in my map. In my opinion, using a 1/1 slider represents those parts of the song better since it's a prolonged sound that lasts until the next sound which is 1 beat after it. If I used a 1/2 instead,
I would basically break it in the middle which doesn't fit as well. Sliderends can also be used for sounds that are equally important as the ones on sliderheads so yeah I think the way I used them works perfectly.
(O) I think you are following vocal most of the time, so I think 00:31:161 - should be place this rhythm. because 00:31:647 - this got vocal sound but 00:31:971 - don't:
No I'm literally following the drums, idc about vocals in this section
another common rhythm is as below, circle 5 and 6, because it is more easy to emphasized 00:32:458 - . 00:32:134 (5,1) - slider to slider is hard to break-flow to emphasized beats (slider usually got drop-off flow)
I use this flow for most of this part, I don't see anything wrong with it?
If you want to remain the rhythm, I suggest you stacking 00:31:809 (3,4) - because movement stopped here and moving to object 5 got a emphasized effect to the stronger vocal here. um... this placement seems good here to emphasize 00:32:458 - . (still modding on rest of the rhythm like 00:32:458 - to 00:38:944 - ) I only use stacks if there is something special to emphasize but in this case there is nothing like that

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(O) 00:25:566 - missing beat I don't map these sounds
(O) 00:40:890 (1,2) - This is the highest diff, you can tried different rhythm like circles in 1/3 snapped, or this rhythm is also fun to play:
I don't like it, I simply prefer keeping reverse sliders.

In fact, Insane diff also got the same problem, because you use similar rhythm as Extra diff. Spacing problem still happened in Insane diff, like 00:09:755 (2,1,2,3,4) - . I saw you tried to use pentagon here (not drawn well). If it is light insane diff (or known as hyper diff), then jumping at 00:10:728 (3,4) - is acceptable. I fixed that pattern

I just mod insane diff next time, if I have time.

Irohas

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Irohas 2018-02-26T10:47:52+00:00

Arphimigon wrote:
woah

[Irohas' Normal]
00:14:944 (1,2) - So there's a NC on the first note of this, why not 00:20:134 (5,6) - ? I guess it does sound a little quieter and stuff, but it's just odd with only one NC out of place like that. there's no finish emphasis here
00:48:998 (5,1) - and 00:54:836 (2,3) - there's two blankets to fix did

thx

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Spayyce

693 posts

Joined December 2013

Spayyce 2018-03-02T17:23:48+00:00

Mitsuna- wrote:
[Space's Insane]
00:11:539 (1,2) - the angle when we go for the second note is really sharp, i suggest to slightly curve this slider 00:11:539 (1) - like this https://puu.sh/znRfO.png to make a bit more intuitive Alright changed
01:17:863 - Why change hitsound ? It feels really weird already explained

Kyle Y wrote:
M4M request

Space's Insane
00:07:890 - 00:08:053 - 00:08:215 - I cannot hear 1/4 sounds, please further confirm if any over-map here. Removed first 1/4 stack, 2nd one is introductary on the vocal pitch shift
00:08:458 (3,4) - 00:28:890 (2,3,4) - 00:56:134 (2,3,4) - because it is an 5-star map, I think it is not that good to use reverse slider here. Players suppose to have a higher intensity map for higher SR. Please use 1/4 slider jump or stream instead. I really hate streams + jump and I feel slider jumps would be way too extreme
00:49:971 (3) - should be a slider like 00:49:323 (1,2) - ? If you want to keep circle here, I guess 00:49:323 (1,2) - should change to circle also becasue both of them are vocal sound. If you remain, then please nc 00:50:296 (4) - because it is more clear to read between 1/2 and 1/1 snapped objects. Removed 2nd slider, kept first one due to it being on a downbeat.
00:51:431 - strong beat sound here, it should not be a slider end but clickable object to emphasize the beat. You're right, changed this to notes instead of sliders.
00:53:215 (1,2) - why here change to follow vocal so sudden. at the same time, 00:54:512 (1,2) - is follow beat again for similar things. There is no profound music to map to.
00:57:755 (3) - this slider seems weird here. Your followed vocal here, but 00:58:080 - this sound should not be slider end because it is major vocal sound. at the same time, 00:58:890 - should be delete because there is no vocal sound for you to follow. Kept first slider for consistent and removed note for vocal sound consistency.
01:17:620 (6) - any sound? changed
01:17:863 (1,2,3,4) - 01:19:161 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this jump do not fit thr song here. There is no strong beat, then why this jump should be jump? The only reason I can think of it to rise SR, but osu! is a rhythm game..... Please map based on the songs. There is a very clear jump in intensity,
the guitar has profoundly changed and his vocals are getting progressive here, in line with the difficulty buildup.
These two set of jump consist of 0.2 stars.... that's mean it is pp jump. Nothing wrong with pp jumps.
01:25:647 (1) - 01:30:836 (1) - this rhythm repeated 01:23:053 (1,2,3) - . and there is no reason for you to skip the strong sound 01:25:809 - . Forgot to add sharp curvature.
01:30:836 (1,3) - this flowing is not that smooth, please try to fix it. The cursor won't be moving for the majority of the slider, especially the beginning.

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372,168,43809,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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148,240,63107,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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236,216,63917,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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408,312,70404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
396,88,70566,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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324,168,71053,2,0,P|322:207|337:244,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
412,104,71377,6,0,P|340:60|244:88,1,160,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,200,71863,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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272,156,74944,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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444,112,75593,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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60,144,76242,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,224,76404,6,0,L|236:392,1,160,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
312,176,76890,2,0,P|284:136|220:120,1,80,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,264,77215,2,0,P|420:224|420:172,1,80,8|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
420,172,77458,1,0,3:0:0:0:
413,149,77539,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2018-03-03T16:58:19+00:00

irohas' normal is eurkkk

Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Irohas 2018-03-03T19:53:18+00:00

Shunao wrote:
irohas' normal is eurkkk

still better than yours normals

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2018-03-03T21:11:11+00:00

:<
(but you're right)

Mafumafu

Beatmap Nominator

3,361 posts

Joined August 2013

Mafumafu 2018-03-08T06:05:23+00:00

Modding this map soon. (M4M request about a month ago.)

Do NOT abuse Kudosu on this map, it could be deemed as a violation to the community rules. And it wil NOT help you with the ranking process, and even makes your map ranked SLOWER.

Serizawa Haruki

1,656 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Serizawa Haruki 2018-03-08T07:06:26+00:00

Regraz wrote:
Modding this map soon. (M4M request about a month ago.)

Do NOT abuse Kudosu on this map, it could be deemed as a violation to the community rules. And it wil NOT help you with the ranking process, and even makes your map ranked SLOWER.

Sorry I didn't mean to go against the Kudosu rules, I thought that was allowed.
Anyways, thanks for accepting my request.

Skylish

1,070 posts

Joined June 2013

Skylish 2018-03-10T02:14:17+00:00

Re-check here as you have got a few Taiko mods already:

[General]

! Title naming is remained unsolved (referring to p/6458286). Try getting help from the BNs in metadata group.

[Muzukashii]

> 00:06:512 (17,18) - k k, be consistent with 00:05:215 (13,14) -

> 00:30:836 - potential triplet here due to the presence of 1/4 drum hits in the music, same mapping style at 00:20:458 - .

> 00:51:107 - let's see if ddd d k fits better for the guitar glizzando (sliding notes) and drum hits on 00:51:269 - /00:51:431 - / 00:51:593 -

> 01:04:728 - / 01:15:107 - they seem to be missing with Finishers! The cymbal crashes are clearer

> 01:20:296 - / 01:21:593 - same as above

[Oni]

> 00:19:647 - let's try modifying a bit: 00:19:647 (96) -

00:19:647 (96,97,98) - clear d d d for the melody
00:20:134 (99,100,101) - / 00:20:458 (102,103,104,105,106) - kkd and kkkkd reflect the drum well

The importance of this suggestion is the cut at 00:20:053 - , because if you put note on this timing, the whole pattern sound a bit blurred and clumsy.

> 00:34:323 - shift it to 00:34:485 - for a smoother flow

> 00:38:863 - same rationale as a both, 00:38:863 - is empty and 00:38:944 - is kkd here

> 00:40:485 - weird place for a triplet, shift it to 00:40:323 - if you want to keep a triplet in that phrase.

> 00:40:674 - remove this note (and green timing point as well)as the 1/3 section starts from 00:40:782 -

> 00:40:782 - it should be in d k k d k k d K to keep a steady and smooth flow.

> 00:55:971 - shift it to 00:55:647 - , for isolating the vocal notes at 00:56:134 -

! 01:04:728 - / 01:07:323 - / ... These notes are ought to be isolated K in Oni, variations of introduction to them could be varied to increase difficulty comparing with Muzukashii. Using a triplet to mask the obvious cymbal crashes lost the accent of this music.

An example of addressing the above mentioned issue, 01:03:755 (151) -

You will fix 01:07:323 - on your own. Please also check whether the cymbal crashes are consistent with K, I noticed that at the 2nd half of Kiai, they were almost all missed. (01:15:107 - / 01:20:296 - / ...)

> 01:12:836 - constant d k but not kkd

[]

I expect great changes in Kiai of Oni, please do self-modding after you finished applying my mods. When the metadata stuff and Taiko difficulties are settled, call me back.

Poii

1,438 posts

Joined February 2016

Poii 2018-03-10T09:59:39+00:00

Skylish wrote:
Re-check here as you have got a few Taiko mods already:

[General]

! Title naming is remained unsolved (referring to p/6458286). Try getting help from the BNs in metadata group.

[Muzukashii]

> 00:06:512 (17,18) - k k, be consistent with 00:05:215 (13,14) - mirror

> 00:30:836 - potential triplet here due to the presence of 1/4 drum hits in the music, same mapping style at 00:20:458 - .ok

> 00:51:107 - let's see if ddd d k fits better for the guitar glizzando (sliding notes) and drum hits on 00:51:269 - /00:51:431 - / 00:51:593 - yeah i can hear the guitar sound, but thats not what i mainly followed

> 01:04:728 - / 01:15:107 - they seem to be missing with Finishers! The cymbal crashes are clearer cymbal on 01:07:323 (245) - is louder than 01:04:728 (234) - and i think kat can cover the low cymbal crash there

> 01:20:296 - / 01:21:593 - same as above this one is louder than you mentioned above, ok finisher

[Oni]

> 00:19:647 - let's try modifying a bit: 00:19:647 (96) -

00:19:647 (96,97,98) - clear d d d for the melody
00:20:134 (99,100,101) - / 00:20:458 (102,103,104,105,106) - kkd and kkkkd reflect the drum well

The importance of this suggestion is the cut at 00:20:053 - , because if you put note on this timing, the whole pattern sound a bit blurred and clumsy. modified

> 00:34:323 - shift it to 00:34:485 - for a smoother flow ok

> 00:38:863 - same rationale as a both, 00:38:863 - is empty and 00:38:944 - is kkd here

> 00:40:485 - weird place for a triplet, shift it to 00:40:323 - if you want to keep a triplet in that phrase. will consider this

> 00:40:674 - remove this note (and green timing point as well)as the 1/3 section starts from 00:40:782 - ok

> 00:40:782 - it should be in d k k d k k d K to keep a steady and smooth flow. do smth here

> 00:55:971 - shift it to 00:55:647 - , for isolating the vocal notes at 00:56:134 - ok

! 01:04:728 - / 01:07:323 - / ... These notes are ought to be isolated K in Oni, variations of introduction to them could be varied to increase difficulty comparing with Muzukashii. Using a triplet to mask the obvious cymbal crashes lost the accent of this music.

An example of addressing the above mentioned issue, 01:03:755 (151) -

You will fix 01:07:323 - on your own. Please also check whether the cymbal crashes are consistent with K, I noticed that at the 2nd half of Kiai, they were almost all missed. (01:15:107 - / 01:20:296 - / ...)

> 01:12:836 - constant d k but not kkd

[]

I expect great changes in Kiai of Oni, please do self-modding after you finished applying my mods. When the metadata stuff and Taiko difficulties are settled, call me back.

i'll ask more friend to mod oni diff
Muzu
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Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki 2018-03-10T13:17:27+00:00

Thanks for the re-check Skylish and thanks for asking regarding metadata Poii.
I'll add that to the tags and update.

Vulkin

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Vulkin 2018-03-18T13:28:50+00:00

M4M for ulko - look at her

-Poii's Muzukashii-
00:25:485 - Why not a kkk here? for that hi-hat (?) sound
00:25:971 (98) - IMO this note could really use a finisher, cymbal sound is strong here
00:51:107 - kkk d d would fit pretty nicely to follow the guitar sound
01:03:917 - A note really feels like it could fit here, either k or d works imo, but d would be best

-Poii's Oni-
00:19:809 (97) - IMO this would be best as k, would do consistency with the previous patterns that you did, or is it different to warn of a small change incoming?
00:25:485 - maybe a kkk could fit here for that hi-hat sound thingy
00:41:701 - why not follow the voice here? or is it to emphasize the calmness of this part of the song?

OK
Poii maps this genre way too well, fits the song so nicely
I love it!
good job!

Poii

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Poii 2018-03-18T13:39:26+00:00

Vulkin wrote:
M4M for ulko - look at her

-Poii's Muzukashii-
00:25:485 - Why not a kkk here? for that hi-hat (?) sound i followed the vocal
00:25:971 (98) - IMO this note could really use a finisher, cymbal sound is strong here sure
00:51:107 - kkk d d would fit pretty nicely to follow the guitar sound added triplet
01:03:917 - A note really feels like it could fit here, either k or d works imo, but d would be best im not sure, and the vocal is paused(?)
i dunno so i added space there

-Poii's Oni-
00:19:809 (97) - IMO this would be best as k, would do consistency with the previous patterns that you did, or is it different to warn of a small change incoming? kat'd
00:25:485 - maybe a kkk could fit here for that hi-hat sound thingy maybe yes, to make it lil bit differ with muzu
00:41:701 - why not follow the voice here? or is it to emphasize the calmness of this part of the song? don

OK
Poii maps this genre way too well, fits the song so nicely
I love it!
good job!

thanks pulkin and bowashe(irc)

Muzu

Oni

WhiteLotus-

WhiteLotus- 2018-03-18T14:43:22+00:00

Halo!

langsung aja deh

Poii''s futsuu

00:08:782 (28) - ganti d aja biar flow sama 00:08:458 (25,26,27) -
00:46:242 (171) - kalo cuma vokal k aja biar konsisten sama sebelahnya
00:47:701 (176) - d
01:06:998 (244) - d
01:20:620 (307) - d

Sori shortmod karena cuma bisa mod ampe futsuu doang
Gudlak

Poii

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Poii 2018-03-19T06:23:56+00:00

WhiteLotus- wrote:
Halo!

langsung aja deh
muzu not futsuu

Poii''s futsuu
00:08:782 (28) - ganti d aja biar flow sama 00:08:458 (25,26,27) - 00:08:782 (28,29,30) - liriknya mendukung kdk
00:46:242 (171) - kalo cuma vokal k aja biar konsisten sama sebelahnya my bad, harusnya emang kk
00:47:701 (176) - d konsistensi ama oni
01:06:998 (244) - d naaa ii, liriknya gitu jadi k
01:20:620 (307) - d 01:20:620 (307) - high pitch vocal

Sori shortmod karena cuma bisa mod ampe futsuu doang
Gudlak

jack, can you change this 00:46:242 (171) - to clap ? on muzu

Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki 2018-03-19T15:40:37+00:00

Yes, changed and updated

Spooky Mango

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Spooky Mango 2018-03-19T21:07:37+00:00

Both Taiko Difficulties
00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323 - These notes might not have to be large, they have less impact than the ones before them and the space after gives enough emphasis already. This also makes the large dons before each one feel more important

01:07:323 - The large note in both difficulties here should be small, theres no need to emphasize this point.

01:24:188 , 01:26:782 , 01:29:377 , 01:31:971 - Same issue as the first suggestion. (00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323)

Poii's Muzukashii
00:20:782 (80) - The sound isn't very impactful here and shouldn't be a large don, changing it to a small don would make more sense and be consistent with Oni.

00:31:161 (121) - Same issue as previous.

01:09:917 (257) - This doesn't need to be large, make it small. 01:08:620 (252) is the same tone and is small, Turn (257) small to keep consistent with this.

01:17:701 (294) and 01:20:296 (306) - Make it small

Poii's Oni
00:25:971 (127) - Change this to a large Katu instead of a large Don, this adds consistency with Muzukashii.

00:41:539 (217) - Change this to a large Don instead of large Katu, once again for consistency with Muzu.

Poii

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Poii 2018-03-20T07:00:31+00:00

Spooky Mango wrote:
Both Taiko Difficulties
00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323 - These notes might not have to be large, they have less impact than the ones before them and the space after gives enough emphasis already. This also makes the large dons before each one feel more important they have loud cymbals sound

01:07:323 - The large note in both difficulties here should be small, theres no need to emphasize this point.cymbal + high vocal pitch, it deserve it

01:24:188 , 01:26:782 , 01:29:377 , 01:31:971 - Same issue as the first suggestion. (00:11:539 , 00:14:134 , 00:16:728 , 00:19:323)

Poii's Muzukashii
00:20:782 (80) - The sound isn't very impactful here and shouldn't be a large don, changing it to a small don would make more sense and be consistent with Oni.loud cymbal crash

00:31:161 (121) - Same issue as previous.consistency with prev

01:09:917 (257) - This doesn't need to be large, make it small. 01:08:620 (252) is the same tone and is small, Turn (257) small to keep consistent with this.i put big notes for every cymbal crash that i think important or have some impact on that part, so i keep them

01:17:701 (294) and 01:20:296 (306) - Make it small

Poii's Oni
00:25:971 (127) - Change this to a large Katu instead of a large Don, this adds consistency with Muzukashii. change muzu

00:41:539 (217) - Change this to a large Don instead of large Katu, once again for consistency with Muzu.

i put big notes for every cymbal crash that i think important or have some impact on that part, so i keep them

Muzu

Oni

tks

Skylish

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Skylish 2018-03-23T14:15:56+00:00

Re^2 check:

[General]

> 00:36:350 - must be a common FINISHER, same as 00:25:971 -

[Oni]

> 00:25:485 - unnatural note flow, remove it since it does not match the vocal much

> 00:35:782 - you can feel that this section is similar to 00:25:323 - , so the density should be lower here, remove the triplet

> 00:39:593 - should be rhythmic identical to 00:38:944 - , add a ddk at 00:39:593 - can fit well.

! 00:41:539 - 1/3 nN pattern should be in alternative colour, in this case d K please...

> 00:55:647 - shift it to 00:55:971 - and change it to k, same rationale as 00:39:593 -

> 01:03:917 - flow problem again, let's try k dkd d k k: your original patterns nnn n nnn are a bit confusing in terms of flow. The change of intensity was awkward there.

> 01:14:296 - ^ apply something here too

> 01:17:134 - shift it to 01:17:458 - , little drum hit could be heard clearly in game-play. The absence of triplet does not feel good.

> 01:20:296 - similar to 01:09:917 - , add a triplet here. Suggestion: 01:19:809 - kkd k ddd k k

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Only Oni has a few issues, fix them and find me to confirm the taiko, Poii!

Poii

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Poii 2018-03-24T06:28:18+00:00

Skylish wrote:
Re^2 check:

[General]

> 00:36:350 - must be a common FINISHER, same as 00:25:971 - ok

[Oni]

> 00:25:485 - unnatural note flow, remove it since it does not match the vocal much del

> 00:35:782 - you can feel that this section is similar to 00:25:323 - , so the density should be lower here, remove the triplet

> 00:39:593 - should be rhythmic identical to 00:38:944 - , add a ddk at 00:39:593 - can fit well.

! 00:41:539 - 1/3 nN pattern should be in alternative colour, in this case d K please...

> 00:55:647 - shift it to 00:55:971 - and change it to k, same rationale as 00:39:593 - all ok

> 01:03:917 - flow problem again, let's try k dkd d k k: your original patterns nnn n nnn are a bit confusing in terms of flow. The change of intensity was awkward there. changed

> 01:14:296 - ^ apply something here too yes

> 01:17:134 - shift it to 01:17:458 - , little drum hit could be heard clearly in game-play. The absence of triplet does not feel good.

> 01:20:296 - similar to 01:09:917 - , add a triplet here. Suggestion: 01:19:809 - kkd k ddd k k did smth, but not double triplet, i think one triplet is enough bcs i have double 01:20:944 - here

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Only Oni has a few issues, fix them and find me to confirm the taiko, Poii!

oni

Serizawa Haruki

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Serizawa Haruki 2018-03-24T08:56:32+00:00

Updated
I think you forgot to add a finisher in muzu at 00:36:350 - since Skylish wrote it under "General" but I fixed it myself.

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