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Silent Siren - LOVE no Shirushi [Taiko]

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Neto
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Neto
Using something relevant for BG discussion. Wafu in all honesty the only guidelines and rules we have about the background content in terms of rankability is about NSFW. If you think that from now on we should have a serious discussion about what content should be used for backgrounds I think that's a good idea, but not here with this map, without any rules that currently back you up here is just non-sense and arbitrary, since we all know that background unrelated content to the song is just something that's been done always in this game.

People use anime themed backgrounds for eletronic songs that are western, sometimes people just use random paitings or landscape images for pop/punk rock songs, etc. I can see what you're aiming for with this discussion, but you're doing it in the wrong place. I'm sure that since you're a BN you can suggest things to be changed according to guidelines and rules, so please, do that there for future use. I repeat, right now, is entirelly a pure subjective perspective of yours that this bg choice is worst compared to any other possible anime girl background that could be picked and ranked by any other person. You said the map he gave was one 1 year old and it was not a good line of argument. How about a map from a QAT that was ranked on 23/12/17? Do you also showed up to question why he used a landscape for a eletronic song?
_handholding
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_handholding
You know it's a bit controversial to say the least to go around and bubble a map when a BN has a problem with the tags for an objective reason. In a way I feel like supporting the veto as well. I think adding unnecessary tags to maps such as "rsi" or that "aaaa eee iii Oo" thing monstrata added to his brain power map, but I guess people don't care that much in the end in those cases. But this includes another mapper and would further break what people would deem is acceptable down the line( "it was done in this map so why can't I do it in mine?" Kind of thing).

Honestly before bubbleing this set without loppky being removed I suggest you having a QAT come in and give you the go ahead first
Wafu
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Wafu

Surono wrote:

I dont know but let other people giving more opinions about this and to determine it. as I thought, so it should be using artist, the album cover, or screenshot of the video clip from this song as bg? whats happening really
I would say, something with at least a bit of relevance. I'm not at all saying it can't be "an anime girl". It can be any wallpaper of the band, or just a nice photo of them, but it can also be a completely random anime/vn/whatever art that is irrelevant, but has a relevant theme at least (to the title or lyrics).

Ataraxia wrote:

So, say why don't competent, i see all the text but i just found some vague assumptions and random words, u are sayng that are a problem here, but u don't ever show any example of how mapper can fix that, u just pop and "go find other"

If you see the lyrics, how BG u think that fits with the song, any example ?, if u just wanted to "say", u just pop because u want, not because there's a real problem in BG
Saying that a background is not relevant to the song or the band nor the theme is not "random words and vague assumptions". It's objectively true. Surono's view is rather subjective because "atmosphere" of a song is different for everyone. Artist, lyrics and song is same for everyone, that's why I'm talking about these subjects when explaining the issue. I think that it's not my obligation to list the mapper all the possible backgrounds. If they asked, I'd be willing to help them search for some, but they may have a different taste for the concrete backgrounds. I'm not popping it only because the background is irrelevant, but also because discussion about it was skipped.

@Net0: Ranking criteria is the first, but not the only requirement that a map has to pass to be rankable. What was ranked is not my problem, I was not called to check it and it's not my job to do so. You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps.

Only text bellow is really important

From now on, I would like if this discussion could continue by addressing only the issues brought up. My concern again is:
  1. Background is not relevant to the band
  2. Background is not relevant to the song
  3. Background is not relevant to the lyrics or the theme of the song
Suggested solutions (sorted by priority):
  1. (1) Use a background directly related to the song
  2. (2) If none good exists, use a background that is related to the band
  3. (3) If none good exists, use an image from random source that is thematically relevant
  4. (4) Last resort, if none of above exist, choose a completely random background because that means any relevance can't be satisfied (usually will apply only to non-thematic instrumentals)
1# Examples: None seem to be very good, skipping
2# Examples: Example 1 Example 2 Example 3

If you don't like them then search for more, if that doesn't work, go for #3 and search for something let's say about love, a couple or whatever if you considered only the title. For 4#, I don't think you should get here with the amount of available images.

We should also get more input on the tags too, I think it was bubbled mid-discussion (not blaming Surono).
Ideal
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Ideal
there have been countless cases of unrelated bgs going through and nobody has ever had a problem with it, why create a big deal about it now and let everything else slide by just fine? lol

in this case lets dq every single electronic map that uses an anime girl bg as net0 said because they're unrelated to the song and doesn't fit the song's atmosphere! this whole deal is just ridiculous.

i do kinda agree with the tag thing though, imo tags should be only used when a mapper directly helped on the mapset by making gds and such.
Neto
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Neto
"You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps." Errors should be justified by rules. Errors cannot be justified by an uneven treatmeant of mapsets. I'm talking about isonomy. If there's no such rule about BG content (beyond of what I said), therefore, many people used and still use the background image as they want, there's ZERO legitimacy for you or anyone else to treat this mapset any different. Again, all this rules you're stablishing doesn't fit here, they fit on the BNG/QAT discussion on changes of the ranking criteria.
_handholding
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_handholding
ok to add a bit more on the subject of the tags I will add this

Surono wrote:

Rebubbled

Sinnoh wrote:

bg is fine, tags are not
idk but up to you guys
<Surono> " lopkyy " do you really want it on tags?
<Igor_Sprite> yes
<Igor_Sprite> it's very very important to me
<Surono> did he mapped at least 50% of your map?
<Surono> or just some?
<Surono> if yes, change muzukashii as collab muzukashii and you can keep that name on tags
<Surono> if no, yeah just delete.. or those people will, yeah in the description is enough. on tags zz idk
<Igor_Sprite> yes, he helped me since the begin of my ranking process
<Surono> hmm
<Surono> just muzukashii right?
<Igor_Sprite> but it's right with ranking criteria
<Igor_Sprite> muzukashii and oni
<Surono> "collab" on diffnaming or just standard diffnaming doesnt matter if you already put statment in the descreption.
<Igor_Sprite> but i already fixed according the ranking criteria
<Surono> nice
<Igor_Sprite> mapper name in tags and informations in descripition
You cannot use "yes, he helped me since the begin of my ranking process" as a means of justification. Just saying they helped you isn't enough, this basis would allow people to add so many unrelated mappers to their own sets. If they were involved with making so many changes then set sooo much that you deem it as a collab and/or GD then you must follow the other rules that apply, ie adding "Muzu by Loppky/Muzu collab with Loppky" or add "collab muzu" etc. You can't break this formality or it would aid in people trying to break other things as well

Net0 wrote:

"You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps." Errors should be justified by rules. Errors cannot be justified by an uneven treatmeant of mapsets.
Can you just stop. PLEASE!
Nardoxyribonucleic
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Well, it is time to step in as the discussion is going nowhere as it seems.

About the current BG choice, I think it somewhat fits the song. Relevance of BGs is in fact a relative concept. As we all know in the common practice, certain degree of freedom is allowed in choosing background images for a map to show some connections with the song, be it the lyrics, theme or overall atmosphere. Unless it goes completely unrelated to the song (in this case, say an image of a skull for example), limiting BG choices for songs that are sung by a band with reality images is just too strict and out of the scope of current mapping context.

In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
igorsprite
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igorsprite

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
already fixed the metadata and i will keep the lopkyy because he helped me to map some diffs
Neto
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Neto

Kisses wrote:

Net0 wrote:

"You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps." Errors should be justified by rules. Errors cannot be justified by an uneven treatmeant of mapsets.
Can you just stop. PLEASE!
Stop with what? Are you out of your mind? I'm seriouslly discussing an issue brought up on the background. I'm not memeing or insulting anyone like a certain person does in all my map threads.

About tags I also agree with Nardo. "You only need to provide information of guest mapper and corresponding guest part." that's why people who make hitsounds on mapsets are not supposed to go on tags, since that is reserved for people who actually take part on mapping something of their own.
igorsprite
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igorsprite
now this can end?
Irreversible
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Irreversible

Wafu wrote:

Only text bellow is really important

From now on, I would like if this discussion could continue by addressing only the issues brought up. My concern again is:
  1. Background is not relevant to the band Agree.
  2. Background is not relevant to the song Disagree. Even though you've said "using "atmosphere" as "it fits" doesn't seem very competent", I couldn't agree less. I think this is a very important aspect of choosing a background, no matter what - because the song is the main actor in a map.
  3. Background is not relevant to the lyrics or the theme of the song Can't judge at this point.
Wafu, I believe that you got a bit too heated up into believing that this background is not suitable because of whatever reason. Vetoing it with such a drive against it doesn't seem very logical at this point, even less because the background does fit to the song's mood and atmosphere.

EDIT: didn't see nardo posted smth, but yeah my verdict would be as well that it fits the map and it can proceed further.
Wafu
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Wafu

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Well, it is time to step in as the discussion is going nowhere as it seems.

About the current BG choice, I think it somewhat fits the song. Relevance of BGs is in fact a relative concept. As we all know in the common practice, certain degree of freedom is allowed in choosing background images for a map to show some connections with the song, be it the lyrics, theme or overall atmosphere. Unless it goes completely unrelated to the song (in this case, say an image of a skull for example), limiting BG choices for songs that are sung by a band with reality images is just too strict and out of the scope of current mapping context.

In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
The "atmosphere" reasoning is imo way too subjective, because that kind of goes against the "image of a skull" example (and yes, kissing a skull would still be more relevant than this, even though the song is probably rather happy). Because if the song gives someone a bit darker feeling than to others, that means it would be suitable. I was talking about relevance that you cannot doubt about and can describe (or that a mapper could also explain other than by saying they feel it).

I suggested this and I think that it still gives A LOT of freedom.
  1. (1) Use a background directly related to the song You can choose any frame of the clip, you can use any image featuring the song
  2. (2) If none good exists, use a background that is related to the band You can use any image relevant to the band
  3. (3) If none good exists, use an image from random source that is thematically relevant You can use any image that has one (yes, even just one) major feature in common
So I don't think I'm requiring that much. And I'm not even talking about the fact that the background's resolution is pretty low (and at that, it looks pretty distorted, so the replacement would make sense regardless of the relevance, here, you can directly connect it with the beatmap's quality regardless of agreeing with the relevance stuff or not, so if it would be changed, why not to something relevant?)

Anyway, that's all I'm willing to say about the background. But @Igor Sprite could say a word to it too, I don't feel like I deserve being ignored completely on this one by the mapper themselves.

Regarding the lopkyy in tags, I don't want to underestimate anyone, but I highly doubt that someone with no mods, no maps and 12 minutes played on taiko could help any further than with metadata. This seems more like just tagging your friend.

@Irreversible, the veto was not only because of the background. The discussion about tags was not finished and my suggestion about the background was entirely ignored. It must had been addressed by the mapper in order to be eligible for a bubble in the first place. I admit I should've stated all the reasons for a veto, I thought it was pretty obvious that the discussion was still happening. My apologies.
igorsprite
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Wafu wrote:

Anyway, that's all I'm willing to say about the background. But @Igor Sprite could say a word to it too, I don't feel like I deserve being ignored completely on this one by the mapper themselves.
it's my first map to rank i don't know nothing D:
Lumenite-
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Wafu wrote:

@Irreversible, the veto was not only because of the background. The discussion about tags was not finished and my suggestion about the background was entirely ignored. It must had been addressed by the mapper in order to be eligible for a bubble in the first place. I admit I should've stated all the reasons for a veto, I thought it was pretty obvious that the discussion was still happening. My apologies.
well, you didn't make that clear at all in the veto post, if you had i'm 90% sure none of this would've happened... poor igor
Okoayu
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Okoayu
Dude wafu wtf - the amount of braincells we waste arguing about this.

something fitting the song's mood is so relative and majority seems to be against making a huge deal about this, i'm more concerned about Surono trying to end any discussion by just nominating the goddamn map right in the middle of it.

Case in point: For most people seems suitable enough, especially since it is original artwork without relation to anything else so here have the bg in a not shit-resolution (yay):

https://puu.sh/yOjzt/e7a6240d6e.jpg
Nifty
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Nifty
I don't know about the title/artist, but it sounds to me like igor needs to just remove lopkyy from the tags or add him to the diff names.

In the description it says "but didn't changed these name diffs as your request" which is the downfall of language barriers, and I would like igor to try to rephrase this to make some sort of sense.

The way I read it, it sounds like someone told you to not put lopkyy's name in the difficulties he helped map, which is just incorrect, but I didn't find one person in this thread who's told you that. This leads me to assume that lopkyy themselves told you to not put their name on the diffs (perhaps to not take credit or whatever), and that's also wrong and kind of breaking the rules, since you have to put whoever is involved with mapping the diff in the name.
igorsprite
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Okoratu wrote:

Dude wafu wtf - the amount of braincells we waste arguing about this.

something fitting the song's mood is so relative and majority seems to be against making a huge deal about this, i'm more concerned about Surono trying to end any discussion by just nominating the goddamn map right in the middle of it.

Case in point: For most people seems suitable enough, especially since it is original artwork without relation to anything else so here have the bg in a not shit-resolution (yay):

https://puu.sh/yOjzt/e7a6240d6e.jpg
thanks, already fixed

Nifty wrote:

I don't know about the title/artist, but it sounds to me like igor needs to just remove lopkyy from the tags or add him to the diff names.

In the description it says "but didn't changed these name diffs as your request" which is the downfall of language barriers, and I would like igor to try to rephrase this to make some sort of sense.

The way I read it, it sounds like someone told you to not put lopkyy's name in the difficulties he helped map, which is just incorrect, but I didn't find one person in this thread who's told you that. This leads me to assume that lopkyy themselves told you to not put their name on the diffs (perhaps to not take credit or whatever), and that's also wrong and kind of breaking the rules, since you have to put whoever is involved with mapping the diff in the name.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset, if there is any guest mapper. This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately. You only need to provide information of guest mapper and corresponding guest part. Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset. This helps others to know if the map uploader is the main contributor of the mapset and who else contributed to the given mapset.
"The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset" "This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately." "Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset." so... ?
_handholding
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_handholding
Well your words turned from him helping you with some patterns to flat out collabing with you lol
igorsprite
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igorsprite

Kisses wrote:

Well your words turned from him helping you with some patterns to flat out collabing with you lol
sorry net0 ins't here now say "he put notes in editor and sent me a file with .osu format" have relation with "he did a GD diff for me" no?
defiance
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defiance

Igor Sprite wrote:

Kisses wrote:

Well your words turned from him helping you with some patterns to flat out collabing with you lol
sorry net0 ins't here now say "he put notes in editor and sent me a file with .osu format" have relation with "he did a GD diff for me" no?
okay, did he map an entire diff? or did he map part of one and you finished the rest?

if it's the first one you should add his name to what difficulty he did.
if it's the second one you can add a combination of your names or write "collab [diff name]" and possibly indicate in the map description who mapped which parts
igorsprite
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osuskrub wrote:

okay, did he map an entire diff? or did he map part of one and you finished the rest?

if it's the first one you should add his name to what difficulty he did.
if it's the second one you can add a combination of your names or write "collab [diff name]" and possibly indicate in the map description who mapped which parts
i don't want change diffs names, i already put lopkyy in tags and informations in description. probably no one did this, but different isn't wrong.
Nao Tomori
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Nao Tomori
that is allowed.
_handholding
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_handholding
can confirm it's rankeable
Wafu
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Wafu
So, the mapper at least addressed the background now, it's not what I suggested, but at least the quality is better now. I'm fine with this, but next time, it would be nice to hear the reason from mapper. It was just a suggestion, but the reason from mapper is still important. Just for the next time.

If lopkyy really did make a collab with you, sure, add lopkyy in tags. But he didn't post anything here (and has played 12 minutes of taiko overall), can we get some clarification from lopkyy? We need to know if he really participated to know if he truly can be in tags. Yes, it's okay to keep these difficulty names.

I also mentioned the mp3 quality in the older post, nobody still gave a response to it. I said I can give you a better one without changing offset. Yes, it is a suggestion, but you need to respond to everything with a reason. For the time being, I'll leave the sample-exact mp3 here. You are not forced to use it, but at minimum give your response to it.

After these 2 last things are answered, I believe this will fulfill the CoC and will be suitable for further action.
_handholding
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_handholding

Wafu wrote:

If lopkyy really did make a collab with you, sure, add lopkyy in tags. But he didn't post anything here (and has played 12 minutes of taiko overall)
Lol well this is interesting
igorsprite
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Kisses wrote:

Wafu wrote:

If lopkyy really did make a collab with you, sure, add lopkyy in tags. But he didn't post anything here (and has played 12 minutes of taiko overall)
Lol well this is interesting
regardless your abilities everyone know how to put circles in the editor, and i repeat it's a collab not a rankeable diff made by a "irrelevant" player with 12 minutes of taiko. no one posted anything here for a long time as you can see here and lopkyy stopped playing this game, because this i only called he again when i qualified this song, a thing that we dreamed 1 year ago.
Xinnoh
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Xinnoh
Stop twisting what Wafu said about irrelevant. The context he used it in was that the tag was not related to the set because Wafu assumed lopkyy did not map anything, not because lopkyy is irrelevant as a person.
igorsprite
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igorsprite

Sinnoh wrote:

Stop twisting what Wafu said about irrelevant. The context he used it in was that the tag was not related to the set because Wafu assumed lopkyy did not map anything, not because lopkyy is irrelevant as a person.
i already understood the context, i read wafu's reply
sorry if it appeared sarcastic or something else :(
Poii
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Wafu wrote:

If lopkyy really did make a collab with you, sure, add lopkyy in tags. But he didn't post anything here (and has played 12 minutes of taiko overall), can we get some clarification from lopkyy? We need to know if he really participated to know if he truly can be in tags.
agree with wafu's statement, if he only put 1 or 2 notes in your diff, its not a collab dude, at least tell me which part that he made ?
-Sh1n1-
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-Sh1n1-
dunno why this guy makes the map more complicated
@Igor: Lopkyy in description is more than enough if you really want to show gratitude, do you really want to rank the map? just remove and everything should be ready to go.

I just want to proceed with the requalification of the map and avoid the useless drama about BGs and tags, I hope this post will start a new discussion about the map itself and not irrelevant things.

General

  1. 01:15:424 - there are some things I wanna point out here:
    Click me~~
    kantan and Futsuu: Spinner until 01:16:608 -
    Muzukashii: Slider until 01:16:510 -
    Oni: stream until 01:16:510 -
    My suggestion here is map this part with notes:
    Click me~~
    Kantan: 01:15:424 - 01:15:819 - 01:16:213 - everything as k
    Futsuu: 01:15:424 - 01:15:621 - 01:15:819 - 01:16:213 - everything as k and then 01:16:608 - as d
    Muzukashii: 01:15:424 - 01:15:621 - 01:15:720 - 01:15:819 - as k, 01:16:016 - as d, 01:16:213 - 01:16:411 - as k and 01:16:608 - as d
    Oni: 01:16:608 - add a note here, it's true that drums are not prominent until here but voice is strong enough to deserve a note imo, also to match with my previous suggestions of additions on the other diffs.
  2. Same thing with 01:28:746 (34) - Futsuu and 01:28:845 (285) - Muzukashii, they should be mapped imo, also why they start in a different place?

Kantan

  1. 01:13:056 - add k here, this part feels too empty, current gap with higuer diffs is too long.
  2. 01:14:635 - I'll suggest you to add a note here too, d could be the best possible.
  3. 01:43:845 (42) - to avoid a repetitive pattern cause you have triplets in 1/1 at the next section I wanna recommend you to remove such object and add 01:43:845 - d and k at 01:44:635 -

Futsuu

  1. 00:12:069 - you miss a finish note here.
  2. 01:05:161 (151,152,153,154) - this part doesn't match with 01:08:319 (159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166) -, dunno what are you following tbh, a possible solution to fix the current inconsistent between both sections also between all difficulties is moving 01:05:358 (152) - to 01:05:753 -, then 01:09:306 - to 01:08:911 - and 01:09:503 (162) - to 01:09:108 -
  3. 01:11:871 (168,169) - this is kinda unconfortable for a newcommer imo and also for the sake of spread, I'll recommend you to move 01:11:871 (168) - to 01:11:674 -
  4. 01:23:121 - remove this note, you have more notes at this section than Muzukashii that is weird, also gap with katan is huge.
  5. 01:35:753 - remove pls, same as above
  6. kinda unfair that you have something to hit at 01:44:733 -01:44:832 - 01:44:931 - while Muzu is empty, I strongly recommend you to remove 01:44:437 - and then change 01:44:635 (75) - into d d k at 1/2.

Muzukashii

  1. 00:48:977 (149,150,151,152,153) - dunno why your rhythm choice is different than Futsuu, I recommend you to move 00:49:569 - to 00:49:174 - to keep consistency with your futsuu and to add more vocal enphasis to 00:49:766 (152,153) -
  2. 00:50:950 (157) - this is kinda controversial for me, less enphasis to 00:51:740 - that deserve to be finisher (D), there should be a triplet at 00:50:950 -, also if you wanna add a slider here, why didn't you do the same at lower diffs?, remove slider and put notes imo.
  3. 00:53:911 (165) - move to 00:54:503 - to keep the same rhythm base as lower diffulties, kinda weird that the same mapper is following another sounds on the same song.
  4. 01:23:121 - add a note here to fix spread.
  5. 01:26:477 - missing finisher here.
  6. 01:35:753 - a note here will add more balance to the spread, dunno why futsuu has more notes here.
  7. 01:41:477 (325) - it will be better as notes, trust me, what do you think about 01:41:477 - k, 01:41:674 - 01:41:773 - 01:41:871 - 01:42:069 - d and 01:42:266 - K
  8. 01:44:437 - remove cause adding more enphasis to drums it's important at this part, changing from 5-plet (Oni) into 1/2 transition (Muzukashii is too much imo), that's why I also wanna suggest you to add d at 01:44:733 - and 01:44:832 -

Oni

  1. 01:28:056 - what hapenned here? are you skipping this sound on purpose? cause other diffs are following this sound with notes.
  2. 01:54:898 - you miss a finish here to keep consistency with your previous patterns.

That's all from my side, I hope it could be re-qualified soon, it's a great map!, good luck and remove Lopkyy from tags, don't be stubborn or you won't receive more help.
_handholding
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@Sh1n1 I think the finish at 01:54:898 was intentionally skipped in the oni diff because of the fact the mp3 fades out

Oni
  1. 00:26:181 (127) - add don here? It flows well imo and would still keep the melody you were following from earlier
  2. 00:28:056 (131,135,137,141,143,147) - The finishes on these notes feel unnecessary. There doesn't feel a need to create so much emphasis when the song doesn't give it any. I'm not sure if it's your style but it does feel incredibly forced and plays a lot smoother when deleting the finishes
  3. 00:38:121 (152) - Listening to the drums surely a don would fit here better right? It would also give more emphasis to the final kat 00:38:319 (153) -
  4. 00:51:740 - For this section how about deleting notes like 00:53:319 (235) - 00:56:477 (250) - ? The long sequences doesn't really make me feel like I'm playing to a calmer part of the song and the long sequences don't work well with low SV
  5. 01:16:312 (342) - Personally I think this plays much better as a kat
  6. 01:23:121 (377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399,400,401) - Looking at the spread between Futsuu > Muzu > Oni , the pattern you used here makes the spread really skewed
  7. 01:46:115 (509) - 01:47:694 (519) - 01:49:273 (529) - I'm surprised you didn't have these notes as dons to play more closely to your patterns at the beginning of the map
[]I just wanted to test my modding skills ~
igorsprite
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-Sh1n1- wrote:

dunno why this guy makes the map more complicated
@Igor: Lopkyy in description is more than enough if you really want to show gratitude, do you really want to rank the map? just remove and everything should be ready to go.

I just want to proceed with the requalification of the map and avoid the useless drama about BGs and tags, I hope this post will start a new discussion about the map itself and not irrelevant things.

General

  1. 01:15:424 - there are some things I wanna point out here:
    Click me~~
    kantan and Futsuu: Spinner until 01:16:608 -
    Muzukashii: Slider until 01:16:510 -
    Oni: stream until 01:16:510 -
    My suggestion here is map this part with notes:
    Click me~~
    Kantan: 01:15:424 - 01:15:819 - 01:16:213 - everything as k
    Futsuu: 01:15:424 - 01:15:621 - 01:15:819 - 01:16:213 - everything as k and then 01:16:608 - as d
    Muzukashii: 01:15:424 - 01:15:621 - 01:15:720 - 01:15:819 - as k, 01:16:016 - as d, 01:16:213 - 01:16:411 - as k and 01:16:608 - as d
    Oni: 01:16:608 - add a note here, it's true that drums are not prominent until here but voice is strong enough to deserve a note imo, also to match with my previous suggestions of additions on the other diffs. you are only saying to remap
  2. Same thing with 01:28:746 (34) - Futsuu and 01:28:845 (285) - Muzukashii, they should be mapped imo, also why they start in a different place? @-@

Kantan

  1. 01:13:056 - add k here, this part feels too empty, current gap with higuer diffs is too long. ok
  2. 01:14:635 - I'll suggest you to add a note here too, d could be the best possible. yeah
  3. 01:43:845 (42) - to avoid a repetitive pattern cause you have triplets in 1/1 at the next section I wanna recommend you to remove such object and add 01:43:845 - d and k at 01:44:635 - no

Futsuu

  1. 00:12:069 - you miss a finish note here. yeah
  2. 01:05:161 (151,152,153,154) - this part doesn't match with 01:08:319 (159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166) -, dunno what are you following tbh, a possible solution to fix the current inconsistent between both sections also between all difficulties is moving 01:05:358 (152) - to 01:05:753 -, then 01:09:306 - to 01:08:911 - and 01:09:503 (162) - to 01:09:108 - i don't want change the structure here
  3. 01:11:871 (168,169) - this is kinda unconfortable for a newcommer imo and also for the sake of spread, I'll recommend you to move 01:11:871 (168) - to 01:11:674 - okay
  4. 01:23:121 - remove this note, you have more notes at this section than Muzukashii that is weird, also gap with katan is huge. again this (i'm looking Oni --> Kantan) see what i wrote in muzukashii
  5. 01:35:753 - remove pls, same as above ^
  6. kinda unfair that you have something to hit at 01:44:733 -01:44:832 - 01:44:931 - while Muzu is empty, I strongly recommend you to remove 01:44:437 - and then change 01:44:635 (75) - into d d k at 1/2. what it's the problem with my sliders? you only said remove all and change to... why i can't keep all change nothing ;-;

Muzukashii

  1. 00:48:977 (149,150,151,152,153) - dunno why your rhythm choice is different than Futsuu, I recommend you to move 00:49:569 - to 00:49:174 - to keep consistency with your futsuu and to add more vocal enphasis to 00:49:766 (152,153) - i want keep the enphasis here 00:48:977 -
  2. 00:50:950 (157) - this is kinda controversial for me, less enphasis to 00:51:740 - that deserve to be finisher (D), there should be a triplet at 00:50:950 -, also if you wanna add a slider here, why didn't you do the same at lower diffs?, remove slider and put notes imo. doesn't have triplets in my muzukashii @-@, and i put a slider because i want a transition less "agressive" to this calm part 00:52:135 -
  3. 00:53:911 (165) - move to 00:54:503 - to keep the same rhythm base as lower diffulties, kinda weird that the same mapper is following another sounds on the same song. it's a bit weird you say "the same mapper" when i call this a collab '^'
  4. 01:23:121 - add a note here to fix spread. i did the same thing here 01:35:753 -
  5. 01:26:477 - missing finisher here. yeah
  6. 01:35:753 - a note here will add more balance to the spread, dunno why futsuu has more notes here. as you can see, in futsuu doesn't have these notes 01:36:345 (309,311,313,315) - and in muzukashii doesn't have this note 01:35:753 (308) - so it's really to balance
  7. 01:41:477 (325) - it will be better as notes, trust me, what do you think about 01:41:477 - k, 01:41:674 - 01:41:773 - 01:41:871 - 01:42:069 - d and 01:42:266 - K i want keep my sliders
  8. 01:44:437 - remove cause adding more enphasis to drums it's important at this part, changing from 5-plet (Oni) into 1/2 transition (Muzukashii is too much imo), that's why I also wanna suggest you to add d at 01:44:733 - and 01:44:832 - i don't want triplets and i did the same thing here 00:12:463 -

Oni

  1. 01:28:056 - what hapenned here? are you skipping this sound on purpose? cause other diffs are following this sound with notes. yes,
    maybe only my imagination,but i think a note here it's weird
  2. 01:54:898 - you miss a finish here to keep consistency with your previous patterns. i think the sound here is a bit low, because this i didn't put note here 01:55:983 - too

That's all from my side, I hope it could be re-qualified soon, it's a great map!, good luck and remove Lopkyy from tags, don't be stubborn or you won't receive more help.
igorsprite
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Kisses wrote:

@Sh1n1 I think the finish at 01:54:898 was intentionally skipped in the oni diff because of the fact the mp3 fades out good good xd

Oni
  1. 00:26:181 (127) - add don here? It flows well imo and would still keep the melody you were following from earlier wait... here
  2. 00:28:056 (131,135,137,141,143,147) - The finishes on these notes feel unnecessary. There doesn't feel a need to create so much emphasis when the song doesn't give it any. I'm not sure if it's your style but it does feel incredibly forced and plays a lot smoother when deleting the finishes again talking about change the structure of certain session
  3. 00:38:121 (152) - Listening to the drums surely a don would fit here better right? It would also give more emphasis to the final kat 00:38:319 (153) - my intention here is low to high, a don here break this
  4. 00:51:740 - For this section how about deleting notes like 00:53:319 (235) - 00:56:477 (250) - ? The long sequences doesn't really make me feel like I'm playing to a calmer part of the song and the long sequences don't work well with low SV it's a bit hard keep the 1/2 rhythm with slow SV
    when you starts play oni. it's intentional, don't worry :)
  5. 01:16:312 (342) - Personally I think this plays much better as a kat too hard
  6. 01:23:121 (377,378,379,380,381,382,383,384,385,386,387,388,389,390,391,392,393,394,395,396,397,398,399,400,401) - Looking at the spread between Futsuu > Muzu > Oni , the pattern you used here makes the spread really skewed it's your opinion, a problem or something else? .-.
  7. 01:46:115 (509) - 01:47:694 (519) - 01:49:273 (529) - I'm surprised you didn't have these notes as dons to play more closely to your patterns at the beginning of the map ^
[]I just wanted to test my modding skills ~ back to std yeah, it's really nice when we are trying to improve :)
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se alguem souber alguma coisa sobre nos que não sabemos por favor que nos conte, alem do mais eu deixei as coisas
que eu fiz por conta do igor ja que eu nn to nem um pouco interessado nesse jogo
e fico feliz que o igor tenha levado nosso trabalho pra frente
:D
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-Sh1n1- wrote:

Lopkyy in description is more than enough if you really want to show gratitude, do you really want to rank the map? just remove and everything should be ready to go.
already said by Shini lol okay and so Lopkyy still on tags?

Poii wrote:

if he only put 1 or 2 notes in your diff, its not a collab dude, at least tell me which part that he made ?
right you can tell it now but it seems no clarity about this, I dont see lopkky involved with ranking process in here and from first time you made this set, theres no information about part which both of youve mapped, so the way out is remove lopkyy from tags. please reconsider about this if you really want this set get requalified
igorsprite
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Surono wrote:

-Sh1n1- wrote:

Lopkyy in description is more than enough if you really want to show gratitude, do you really want to rank the map? just remove and everything should be ready to go.
already said by Shini lol okay and so Lopkyy still on tags?

Poii wrote:

if he only put 1 or 2 notes in your diff, its not a collab dude, at least tell me which part that he made ?
right, you can tell it now. please reconsider about this if you really want this set get requalified
okay ;)
removed lopkyy, but lets try something else xd
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I saw Kisses point from 01:22:727 - here and its about spread

* delete 01:23:121 - this on futsuu and add notes on muzukashii, I dont know why 4plet 1/2 on futsuu
* 01:23:713 - 01:24:898 - 01:25:490 - add don around here, its similar with Kantan density
* 01:25:292 - just add don in here for muzukashii, since oni has 3plet + finishers (edited :resident_sleeper:)

I think the spread of this set would be fine and neat if you fix these
Last edited by Surono , edited 2 times in total.
igorsprite
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Surono wrote:

I saw Kisses point from 01:22:727 - here and its about spread

* delete 01:23:121 - this on futsuu and add notes on muzukashii, I dont know why 4plet 1/2 on futsuu ok
* 01:23:713 - 01:24:898 - 01:25:490 - add don around here, its similar with Kantan density ok
* 01:25:292 - just add don in here for futsuu, since oni has 3plet + finishers

I think the spread of this set would be fine and neat if you fix these
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no poii
igorsprite
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Wafu wrote:

I also mentioned the mp3 quality in the older post, nobody still gave a response to it. I said I can give you a better one without changing offset. Yes, it is a suggestion, but you need to respond to everything with a reason. For the time being, I'll leave the sample-exact mp3 here. You are not forced to use it, but at minimum give your response to it.
no i don't want your mp3, better now?
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saudades lopkyy foda . . .

qualifica ae nrml xddd
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Ataraxia wrote:

saudades lopkyy foda . . .

qualifica ae nrml xddd
vai ter volta ;)
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dakara poi te poi te shinai de yo
kyou o poi te shinai de yo
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yes poii

gratz igor
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(╯°□°）╯︵

After my checks, I believe everything from this discussion was taken into consideration and the mapper applied the changes.

Good luck!
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SILENT SIREN / Silent Siren / サイレント サイレン / サイレントサイレン
Regarding the artist field. When Silent Siren was published by Brand-New Music (http://www.brand-newmusic.co.jp/artist_ ... _siren.php) and dreamusic (http://dreamusic.co.jp/artist/silent-siren/profile/), they officially went by "Silent Siren" with "サイレント サイレン" (Brand-New Music) and "サイレントサイレン" (dreamusic) on the side for reading assistance. SILENT SIREN is now the bands current name under the label by EMI-RECORDS. (http://www.universal-music.co.jp/silent-siren/)

This song was published under Brand-New Music so the most appropriate Artist to use would be the first one

Artist: Silent Siren

The Katakana is just to assist the reader as shown on the official publisher site so it shouldn't be used (throw in tags). You can see the romanization only being used in the official music video as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4i1xbKCK7Y

Your current artist field uses dreamusic's artist choice.

tl;dr, remove the unicode artist and use Silent Siren.
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Lanturn wrote:

SILENT SIREN / Silent Siren / サイレント サイレン / サイレントサイレン
Regarding the artist field. When Silent Siren was published by Brand-New Music (http://www.brand-newmusic.co.jp/artist_ ... _siren.php) and dreamusic (http://dreamusic.co.jp/artist/silent-siren/profile/), they officially went by "Silent Siren" with "サイレント サイレン" (Brand-New Music) and "サイレントサイレン" (dreamusic) on the side for reading assistance. SILENT SIREN is now the bands current name under the label by EMI-RECORDS. (http://www.universal-music.co.jp/silent-siren/)

This song was published under Brand-New Music so the most appropriate Artist to use would be the first one

Artist: Silent Siren

The Katakana is just to assist the reader as shown on the official publisher site so it shouldn't be used (throw in tags). You can see the romanization only being used in the official music video as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4i1xbKCK7Y

Your current artist field uses dreamusic's artist choice.

tl;dr, remove the unicode artist and use Silent Siren.
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Igor Sprite wrote:

That's not a proper answer. I agree with Lanturn's reasoning, if you do not have anything else to say, I will proceed with the disqualification in order for you to fix the issues mentioned above. Thank you!
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Naotoshi wrote:

:?
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Kurai wrote:

Naotoshi wrote:

:?
Kurai tbm ta morrendo
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@Kurai It wasn't a reply tbh, more like a cry of despair mixed with memeing.
@Igor Sprite Para com os meme velho, fodendo Valdomiro velho kkkk, só ajeita o artist pra Silent Siren nos dois campos e vai estar pronto pra qualificar novamente.
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Net0 wrote:

@Igor Sprite Para com os meme velho, fodendo Valdomiro velho kkkk, só ajeita o artist pra Silent Siren nos dois campos e vai estar pronto pra qualificar novamente.
ta tudo dando errado xd

@Kurai already fixed
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Great, back to qualified!
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Gabe wrote:

:weary:
i don't know what is happening here :o
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qualify forever :oops:
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regrats!
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nice answer video accurate understandablah, come to indo ples.
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morre o meme "meu mapa ta qualificado desde o ano passado"
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