Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
Well, it is time to step in as the discussion is going nowhere as it seems.
About the current BG choice, I think it somewhat fits the song. Relevance of BGs is in fact a relative concept. As we all know in the common practice, certain degree of freedom is allowed in choosing background images for a map to show some connections with the song, be it the lyrics, theme or overall atmosphere. Unless it goes completely unrelated to the song (in this case, say an image of a skull for example), limiting BG choices for songs that are sung by a band with reality images is just too strict and out of the scope of current mapping context.
In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
The "atmosphere" reasoning is imo way too subjective, because that kind of goes against the "image of a skull" example (and yes, kissing a skull would still be more relevant than this, even though the song is probably rather happy). Because if the song gives someone a bit darker feeling than to others, that means it would be suitable. I was talking about relevance that you cannot doubt about and can describe (or that a mapper could also explain other than by saying they feel it).
I suggested this and I think that it still gives A LOT of freedom.
- (1) Use a background directly related to the song You can choose any frame of the clip, you can use any image featuring the song
- (2) If none good exists, use a background that is related to the band You can use any image relevant to the band
- (3) If none good exists, use an image from random source that is thematically relevant You can use any image that has one (yes, even just one) major feature in common
So I don't think I'm requiring that much. And I'm not even talking about the fact that the background's resolution is pretty low (and at that, it looks pretty distorted, so the replacement would make sense regardless of the relevance, here, you can directly connect it with the beatmap's quality regardless of agreeing with the relevance stuff or not, so if it would be changed, why not to something relevant?)
Anyway, that's all I'm willing to say about the background. But @Igor Sprite could say a word to it too, I don't feel like I deserve being ignored completely on this one by the mapper themselves.
Regarding the lopkyy in tags, I don't want to underestimate anyone, but I highly doubt that someone with no mods, no maps and 12 minutes played on taiko could help any further than with metadata. This seems more like just tagging your friend.
@Irreversible, the veto was not only because of the background. The discussion about tags was not finished and my suggestion about the background was entirely ignored. It must had been addressed by the mapper in order to be eligible for a bubble in the first place. I admit I should've stated all the reasons for a veto, I thought it was pretty obvious that the discussion was still happening. My apologies.