Modding my personal difficulties. I will contact Fort and Smoothie for their difficulties.

Yusomi wrote:

hii m4m from my queue

fort

00:05:584 (2) - how come you stopped using doubles to map this sound here? maybe just do something like this 00:01:834 (1,2) - He wanted me to mod it for him, so I mapped it
00:53:048 (6,7) - you could make the spacing of these two notes the same as 00:52:620 (3,4) - to improve consistency Fixed
01:01:620 (3) - i think this slider needs a more complex shape, looks out of place since all other sliders are so unique Fixed
01:14:691 (1,2,3,4,1) - looks very fun, but why such a dramatic change in spacing? Different sound, different style.
01:28:620 (6,7,8,9) - now it's the opposite, everything else is super spaced so why not space these as well? This is true, so I spaced it out for him.
01:59:798 (6) - there's a sound on the red tick just after this note. maybe make this a double similar to 01:56:370 (5,6) - ?Fixed

insane

00:39:548 (1,2) - maybe use a repeat slider like here 00:32:691 (1) - ? Very true, fixed!
00:48:548 (1) - hmm why nc? and here 00:50:262 (1) - too? It was mainly for the emphasis on "Everybody look at..." I'll remove it though
01:02:048 (1,2,3) - maybe space this triple out a little since the sounds here are so much stronger than on 01:02:691 (1,2,3) - . feels weird to have them mapped the same way. Fixed!
01:16:727 (3,4,5,6) - i'd consider spacing these out just a little, so it's really clear to the player that there's 4 notes here and not 3 That was a tough one to work with, but I think I got it haha
01:58:405 (1,2) - it might be better to space these much more to show that it's actually a 3/4 gap between the notes and not a 1/2 There was a sound I was missing anyways, so I mapped it as a triple.

advanced

01:25:620 (3,1) - i don't think a stack is the best choice here, all the other times you use a stack there are clearly 2 similar beats like here 01:21:120 (2,3) - . But this time it's more like one weird wubby sound. I ended up making it overlap the slider end (slightly overlap)
It feels better now haha
i think there's two more of these, idk maybe just use a 1/2 slider with a red anchor or something. i think that would be more fitting

this diff is really solid can't find anything else to discuss

hard

looks good Noted!

normal

check AIMod, there's some distance snap issues That ai is terrible. I just went through and it had insanely inconsistent ds and was telling me not to stack on some parts, but leaving others alone. I pleased it the best I could lol

good luck with map !

Marmorexx wrote:

Hey there

From My modding queue
That's a lot of difficulties o.o Since i have a lot of requests, i hope it's fine if i just tackle half of them. ^^'

Hard Difficulty ---

Not much to find here. Just some minor details
00:27:977 (2) - This feels kinda unexpected. Maybe a NC would fix that Fixed it by adding some distance spacing.
00:45:120 (2) - Same thing here. The ones in between are fine because there isn't such a significant break Did it a little differently. Should be better.
01:19:191 (2) - Throughout this entire difficulty you didnt use perfectly straight sliders. It's like this one is not part of the group Maybe turn it CCW by like 10° so it doesn't feel lonely Fixed it, but yeah. I don't like straight things. They look old.
01:28:405 (3,4,5) - This one feels like it should be in this order. It does feel better, but it has too much distance for the difficulty. I would do it if it looked good enough.
01:54:120 (3) - This could be mistaken for a faster hit. maybe don't let it touch the slider Good call!


Insane Difficulty ---

Really solid difficulty. I have a few suggestions, but i don't see why you should change anything, so it's totally up to you.
What you should change though, is your combo colour 4, the dark purple. Its too dark for some skins, which makes the approach circles fade into the background.

00:11:691 (5,6) - Compared to the other sections, this one is really close to (4). Feels a little weird to go so slow after a relatively fast start like that Tried to change it. A lot of other possibilities were too gross.
00:59:477 (1) - This shouldnt stack 100% because the 3 didnt really disappear yet. Maybe move it just a tiny bit to the side to make it pop out more Good call
01:40:620 (1,2,3) - These are really fast compared to the slow mapping style before. Make them more visible by increasing the distance between 01:40:405 (3) and 01:40:620 (1). I was skeptical, but boi was there a better solution. Check it out


Fort's Hollysh*t ---
Leaving this to Fort. (He didn't want to do it. Doing it for him.)

The same issue with Combo Colour 4 should be fixed

00:04:834 (1) - To make the doubles pop out better you should add a new combo here. Not adding that, because it may cause confusion with 00:06:655 (1,2) -

01:14:691 (1,2,3,4,1) - Woah dude, i love this part It's hard AF but the notes feel really naturally placed. Its such a fluid motion.

01:41:691 (2,3) - I don't particularily like the break between (2) and (3) here... Maybe you should make (2) a slider Fixed
01:56:370 (5,6) - I'd make them pop out more by adding a NC Updated to have triples instead.


That's all for now Really fun map! Can see it ranked in no time ! It doesnt need many changes

Good Luck!

Strategas wrote:

normal
these are too confusing for a lowest diff 01:12:977 (2,3,1) - 01:14:691 (2) - 01:22:405 (1,1) - 01:30:120 (2) - 01:35:262 (1,2,3,4,1) - 01:44:262 (2) - 01:51:120 (2) - 01:57:977 (3) - try to keep it as simple to read as possible

00:48:120 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - swap them - sliders first, circles later - much better buildup that way I'm just gonna redo this and be as clean as possible. I realize that this difficulty wasn't really touched from a year ago. Might as well

advanced
reduce ar, od, hp, they are way too high for such diff Fixed!

insane
don't think you need 9.2AR for 140 bpm 4 star diff, something around 8.5-9 would suit it better Fixed!

the rest is fine more or less

Kenneph wrote:

[Normal]

00:02:691 (4) - fits with music yes BUT ending on red tick with this placement seems a little odd to me
-This can be fixed by changing the slider at 00:03:548 (1) - to two notes instead. OPTIONAL(since it's normal and not "easy") I would fix it, but I feel that it gets the player ready for all the red ticks in the kiai.


00:06:334 (4) - starting on red tick immediately after a white at this part of the song can also lead to issues for beginners.
-any fix on this should work. same for any other red tick starting after white ticks in the song. BUT ITS OPTIONAL It's a sound in the song I really want to emphasize. I see the potential in messing it up... but it's good for the player to start learning that stuff.

00:23:048 (3) - I suggest moving this slider a little further away from the one next to it. since it begins on a red tick. and beginners should find it more pleasing and easier to learn when they notice the visual difference in space.That would break DS.

01:40:405 (1) - I think it would be better to stack this 1 onto the following 2 slider
01:33:548 (3) - same with this 3
01:47:262 (1) - ^ I tried not to stack the whole map since it's a normal and stacking would cause reading issues. Then again I'm contradicting myself earlier. It should be good.

1. You should add tags. Atleast the guest mappers belong there, but some additional keywords related to the song would be nice aswell.
2. I think the background is almost provocative and unfitting. The song's lyrics and tone are chearful but the background is extremely dark and shows some kind of warzone? I'm pretty sure you can find something more fitting here.

1. 00:07:834 (4,5) - Why is there suddenly such a huge jump after you've only used small spacing for similar patterns before? It's unintuitive to play because it can't really be expected by the player and there's nothing in the music to support such a drastic change. Same applies for 00:09:548 (3,4) -
2. 00:11:048 (3,4) - Similar thing here but now you actually put the jump towards the snare which is a completely different situation again and it seems very random.
3. 00:34:191 (2,3) - I understand that this large jump is used to highlight the impactful drum sounds, but exactly the same happens at 00:30:762 (2,3) - and 00:37:620 (2,3) - where small spacing is used. Inconsistencies like this are very noticable in a calm section without many objects and they make the section seem like it was mapped without thought.
4. 00:49:298 (7,8) - I think it's great that you introduce 1/4-jumps before they are required in a more complicated pattern during this part 00:52:405 -, but the high spacing threw me off when playing because it's so sudden. It would be much better if you used a lower spacing here and then repeat the pattern 00:50:691 (4,5) - where the music is the same anyway, with a larger spacing for the 1/4-jump.
5. 01:20:262 (1,2) - The slowed down sliders are introduced here to follow sounds that have been followed with regular speed sliders before (examples 01:14:262 (2,3) - 01:15:120 (1,2) - and so on) and then later used completely random throughout the map. Atleast I can't spot a concept behind their use since they are used for multiple different sounds, and not consistently for each. It seems like you tried to use different slider velocities and / or slidershapes to represent the different sounds, which is a great concept for a song like this, but you kept forgetting which slider you used for what after two measures so the fast section ends up feeling completely random. It's unfortunate because it has the potential to be great but is ruined by (what I suppose is) rushing the mapping process.
6. 01:37:834 - The whole part from here on to the end feels extremely underwhelming. Not only do the breaks feel unfitting (as Chromoxx already mentioned) but also the map's intensity goes down by an extreme degree. Yes, the song does get less intense, but the song still has its 'jumpy' beat until the very end while only going down in density, so suddenly having low spacing almost everywhere feels like an overdone contrast to the fast part before this.

Desperate-kun wrote:

I found this mapset while checking out random maps from Pending. Actually I really like your (Bandi's) difficulties, they are well made especially for a mapper without a ranked map. Smoothie World's diff is cool, too. However there are some general things and more importantly things about Fort's difficulty that I want to mention before this gets ranked. The process is very nearly complete. Thanks for the compliments! I'll see what I can fix since Fort doesn't really map for ranked anymore.

[General]

1. You should add tags. Atleast the guest mappers belong there, but some additional keywords related to the song would be nice aswell. Yeah, forgot about that part. Good call.
2. I think the background is almost provocative and unfitting. The song's lyrics and tone are chearful but the background is extremely dark and shows some kind of warzone? I'm pretty sure you can find something more fitting here. It's a warzone for the violent dubstep feel. It's also the Hollywood sign so it fits better than most random anime backgrounds.

[Fort's Style]

1. 00:07:834 (4,5) - Why is there suddenly such a huge jump after you've only used small spacing for similar patterns before? It's unintuitive to play because it can't really be expected by the player and there's nothing in the music to support such a drastic change. Same applies for 00:09:548 (3,4) - I wondered how some things passed for rankable with Fort's difficulty. I understand that a higher game skill + higher mapping skill allows for some funky stuff. This however can't be rankable, I'll fix that.
2. 00:11:048 (3,4) - Similar thing here but now you actually put the jump towards the snare which is a completely different situation again and it seems very random.
3. 00:34:191 (2,3) - I understand that this large jump is used to highlight the impactful drum sounds, but exactly the same happens at 00:30:762 (2,3) - and 00:37:620 (2,3) - where small spacing is used. Inconsistencies like this are very noticable in a calm section without many objects and they make the section seem like it was mapped without thought. I Ctrl+G'd these two sections as well as the unmentioned one later at 00:41:262 (1) -
4. 00:49:298 (7,8) - I think it's great that you introduce 1/4-jumps before they are required in a more complicated pattern during this part 00:52:405 -, but the high spacing threw me off when playing because it's so sudden. It would be much better if you used a lower spacing here and then repeat the pattern 00:50:691 (4,5) - where the music is the same anyway, with a larger spacing for the 1/4-jump. Fixed.
5. 01:20:262 (1,2) - The slowed down sliders are introduced here to follow sounds that have been followed with regular speed sliders before (examples 01:14:262 (2,3) - 01:15:120 (1,2) - and so on) and then later used completely random throughout the map. Atleast I can't spot a concept behind their use since they are used for multiple different sounds, and not consistently for each. It seems like you tried to use different slider velocities and / or slidershapes to represent the different sounds, which is a great concept for a song like this, but you kept forgetting which slider you used for what after two measures so the fast section ends up feeling completely random. It's unfortunate because it has the potential to be great but is ruined by (what I suppose is) rushing the mapping process. The first example you showed above were actually different sounds. One is a pluck bass, the other is just a bass. The pluck got a slower slider than the full bass section. I don't see too many problems with randomness, it should be alright.
6. 01:37:834 - The whole part from here on to the end feels extremely underwhelming. Not only do the breaks feel unfitting (as Chromoxx already mentioned) but also the map's intensity goes down by an extreme degree. Yes, the song does get less intense, but the song still has its 'jumpy' beat until the very end while only going down in density, so suddenly having low spacing almost everywhere feels like an overdone contrast to the fast part before this. This should be fine. I talked to Chromoxx and he seems to understand the reasoning and that a lot of it is down to the mapper's creative decision.

Overall I think Fort's diff is not ready for ranking in the slightest as it has random surprises in the beginning parts, inconsistent concepts and an underwhelming ending part. Fixing these things requires partial remapping so I didn't give many suggestions, I'll be happy to provide more advice if you deem it useful though. We'll give it a shot and see how it goes. Seems like everything is fine right now. If you want to help out, send a pm to me in-game and we can try to patch it up a bit more.

Good luck!

Chromoxx wrote:

upon further review of the map i do agree with desperate on the last 2 points. As for the breaks at the end i still feel like they are pretty unneccesary and should be mapped out, i just didn't mind it as much as desperate does apparently. Also the issue that the part is being mapped a lot less dense than similar parts at the beginning of the song is something i overlooked when checking the mapset, but it's something that i definitely agree on when brought to my attention.
I don't however agree on that the map is "not ready for ranked in the slightest". The general feel of the map seems fine enough to me, doing a bit of fine tuning should fix the issues pointed out to an extent where it is acceptable for everyone involved while still keeping the overall feel of the map.

Let's take a little bit of time to get some more opinions before pushing this further

I can maybe give a bit more input on the use of slider shapes for emphasis this weekend