Ambrew wrote:

Hi! reaaally good map. really not much to find wrong in here! my mod:

[Collab Extra]
01:50:557 (4,1,2) - This one seems more logical, though not sure about the NC'age here (only 2 combo?)
02:57:632 (4) - hmmm...slider on red tick to white tick... eh vocals, i changed the hitsounds up a bit so it's more obvious tho
03:55:368 (1) - I think a slightly faster sv could work here, I just feel like there's not enough emphasis seems fine to me for now, might consider it later tho

[Extra]
01:03:293 (1,2) - Interesting concept, but why such a small antijump emphasis hehe
01:59:330 (1) - niiiceee w
03:55:722 (1) - This feels pretttyy short, if anything not sure why it ends on red tick dunno, ask skystar x)

Very fun jumps!
great map, great hitsounding
goodluck!

Nostalgic wrote:

yo m4m from your q!

my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/637223

General

1. I feel like the bpm should be doubled the way the song is structured (percussion mainly) this is definitely 106 bpm
2. I am still not a fan of the soft-hitwhistle2, or at the very least lower the volume of it. Especially starting from 02:52:255 the triangle sound really stands out for nothing. it's supposed to highlight the guitar(?) sound, i think it fits.

Extra

1. 00:02:444 (1) - shouldn't it be a 1/16 repeat slider? no? i don't hear it
2. 01:25:085 (1) - stack on 01:24:519 (4) - sliderend instead? it makes the pattern here consistent with your style as well as the perfect stack it would be inconsistent with my other stacks so i'd rather not
3. 03:32:585 (6,1,2) - Compare the ds difference here with 01:03:151 (2,1,2) - the spacing of either of these must have been wrong they're 2 different sections, the latter being much more intense, and thus i gave it more distance despite still being an antijump

Collab

1. 00:12:632 (1) - 00:14:330 (3) - 00:17:161 (1) - 00:18:859 (3) - and more... you sure bass drum on slidertail? following vocals here so yea it's fine
2. 03:41:925 (4) - ctrl < ? mine flows better

Other diffs look fine to me and I am not really good at modding easy/normal diffs. Overall a very promising set. GL!

MaridiuS wrote:

Greetings from my queue. Songs without apparent melody or slow vocals compared to the maps tempo are not my forte to modding. The freestyle mapping suits the song well.

[Extra]

1. Consider giving an edgy name to the difficulty. You can analyze the lyrics or find synonyms for song name. Reason for that also is because you have another difficulty having "Extra" in its name. i'm open for suggestions, i guess? i dont really care either way so didn't really bother lol
2. Generally I want to mention one thing, you can make the map much more organized by simply putting all partial overlaps to overlap the same amount in the section. 00:10:368 (1,5) - For example this is a lot of amount overlapped while 00:10:368 (1,2) - is a bit less and before that 00:09:802 (4,5) - even less of amount overlapped. So if there is no "I want chaos" or any other philosophical thoughts, you should choose one overlapping amount in a section and stick to it, it should look much more organized. You probably know but, easy way to make sure everything is on same amount is to put on distance snap on desirable level, then put circles 1/8 in timeline, one after the next, finally placing the note wherever you want however you want, but on equal spacing: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9379239 an example on 0.9x. This could apply to like... the whole map (with different amount on different sections). Then, of course, return the circles on firstly destined timelines. honestly, it doesn't really matter. I map based on visual spacing and as long as they're similar enough that's good for me, I dont plan on going back and making everything spaced exactly the same down to the decimal, really something i dislike doing
3. 00:11:642 (2,4) - Further more, unless really planned, mixing full overlaps and partial usually (to me) leads to poor design. There are of course examples of good usage, but some are not. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9379249 if you do it like this, I don't see the aesthetics / movement spacing emphasis hurting at all. It could just bring out more structured pattern building when a section is based on one type of overlaps. Of course overlaps late in the timeline are seen differently and could be mixed with some full overlaps for some desired effects on patterns etc. With the variable spacing and rhythm usage, I don't see problems in less variable spacing, when it could bring to more tidy structure. similar to above i guess, i kinda just place them based on feeling,
   and let it fit in with the patterns around it
4. From the start to 00:04:708 - You should consider two things: Lowering the volume of the hitsounds, they're too loud for the song; Lowering the rhythm density, I had a lot of troubles picking up with the map, and so did a few other guys I asked for testplays. Especially on multiple retries players will get easily brainlocked and have to work with 100's to combo it. 00:00:180 (1,3) - good idea would be to make these two as sliders. Plus it doesn't make much sense for 00:00:321 (2,4) - to be circles since they're not of any importance like 00:00:180 (1,3) - in the section. Also the song is a bit messed up with offset going up and down on the start, which is probably why it is weird for me to play (00:00:321 (2) - this happens in the map before the sound is heard in the song) volume sure, density is perfectly fine. This is the top diff, and it's not like i severely overmapped them. in any case, the map is obviously catered towards higher ranking players, and players of that caliber should have no problems landing these notes.
5. 00:09:236 - In this section there are some inconsistencies in spacing emphasis: 00:10:368 (1) - is given spacing like usual notes 00:11:500 (1) - while this one bigger. You usually tend to give bigger spacing to (1) notes, which is never a mistake, since those are the notes pretty prominent in the section. 00:17:161 (1) - low spacing etc. Take a look for yourself if you agree. More about spacing emphasis at 01:31:595 (4,1) at the lower part of mod. changing flow is a nice way of showing emphasis, so i do that a lot. Again, my style is - as long as they're spaced similarly (meaning 1/2s won't get confused with 1/4s) then it's good in my books
6. 00:21:689 (1) - You should give this more spacing, prominent vocal, new comboed and a heavy kick, back in the section you also have usually given (1)'s bigger spacing. yea so like above, a bit of a flow change here, don't want the jump to be huge since it really isn't warranted
7. 00:23:670 (3) - It's touching the timing bar at the bottom, not unrankable but I don't like seeing my timing bar being violated.
8. 00:32:444 (3) - It is spaced too low. It should be like others: 00:27:349 (1,3,1) -
9. 00:46:453 (5,2) - Wait did you just take barely hearable hithats, do some mad hitsounding, and then emphasize the hitsounds with spacing. !? Is this even okay I don't know first time seeing something like this, but my mapping knowledge tells me you should follow the song idk, I'll need some explaining here of what's going on. Especially since there are tons of places where you didn't actively map the hitsounded notes as circles: 00:48:293 (3,4) -, 00:50:557 (3) - etc. uhh i didn't really map to the hitsounds tho, since i did the hitsounding after i finished mapping lol. the spacing in this section are all fairly standard, with the exception of jumps on snares, or powerful notes like the held vocals
10. 00:52:113 (6) - This one is the one I especially don't understand. 00:51:972 (5) - You tend to usually follow vocals with a slider, here you didn't and have given a huge jump to (6) which is barely audible without hitsounds. flow breakish thing with the vocal tho, idk i picked this up from kibb and i like it
11. 00:54:095 - There is a guitar sound hithat or whatever here. You seemed not to give any pauses in the song, and why now when it's right before the section reset. In fact I think now it should be the most spaced (considering you fill the 1/4 gap), like you did at the ending of the section 01:03:010 (1,2,1,2,1) - of course not with this spacing since it doesn't contain snares in the initial link. Very often do songs have a highest point right before a section reset, and here is no exception imo. i put the stop there to further emphasize the strong snare sound (it's colourhaxed), followed by 2 really low spaced notes for the pickup to the next section of the chorus. That sound you mentioned is really negligible since u can barely hear it lol
12. 00:46:736 (2) - As there is a clap here, I expected it to be hitsounded like that on other parts like 00:51:264 (2) - and other such notes after the first clap sound. not exactly what u mean here, i literally copied hitsounds across the choruses so they're identical lol
13. 01:01:736 (2,3) - This spacing is too low compared to 01:01:170 (6,1) - it's basically the same vocal line. same as earlier :s
14. 01:08:670 (3,1,3,1) - The way this pattern is right now, everything is on same spacing without anything really being emphasized. By utilizing spacing emphasis you can make these vocal sliders much more prominent, which I believe need to be since it is alwyas a good idea to emphasize something special and noticeable rather than keeping it all on same spacing. emphasis on 01:09:236 (1) -
15. 01:31:595 (4,1) - (1) is strongly emphasized here with big spacing and not so comfy flow, while here it is purely bland 01:30:746 (1) - . 01:36:264 (6,1) - tons of places where this happens in this section though. When going freestyle in mapping with very variable rhythm and spacing, one thing that should never change is emphasis on important notes. mm yea i agree, i gotta think about how i want to change this before i actually make the change tho.
    open for ideas !
16. 02:38:670 - Mman the scaling on this section. I'm pretty sure there are more people that would disagree on this section having this huge spacing, parrying kiais and such. In extra collab it is done much more easier than other parts, that means I assume you thought of intensity of sections, and decided on extra collab to give it less spacing and such. I just feel like you should rescale the whole section with lesser jumps and such, it is too spaced. actually these have the exact same melody as the chorus, so i chose this to be like-the-chorus-but-different-rhythm kinda thing. seeing how this is a 6.5 star extra i think it is perfectly fine.
17. 03:45:463 (1,1,1) - Same as 02:30:746 (1,1,1) - while in the first kiai it is not the same 01:16:029 (1,1,1) - . Just some connection I saw and I wouldn't make the last two have the same last pattern, especially if the first is not the same like them. You know music theory 1 3 2 4 xd lol omg i literally remapped these sections like 6 times and tbh I still am not satisfied. i'm open for suggestions if anyone has anything in mind

gl
it's a good mod, but i think the difference in our mapping values are too big so i had to disagree with a good portion of your suggestions.
Really appreciate your efforts though

cococolaco wrote:

mod4mod from ur q
map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/683677

[xtra]
01:59:330 (1) - i like this ty
00:46:312 (4,5) and 00:46:595 (1,2) - different space y not that big of a difference lol
00:49:991 (1) - i mean u could blanket this not blanket mod i promise
01:03:010 (1,2) - wow big that's.. the point
01:55:651 (1) - do u rly need nc ya i like doing this, in other sections of this diff, and in all my other maps
02:17:868 (2,1) vs 01:03:151 (2,1) spacing honestly as long as they give the same emphasis they don't have the be perfectly identical
02:38:670 (1) - section calmer than chorus but intensity of map feels too similar i wrote why in my response to MaridiuS above
03:54:378 (1,2) - just make 1/2 slider? actually im gunna change up the last 3 sliders
[collab]
01:33:010 (1,2) - circle and repeat slider? consistency with 01:23:953 (1,2) -
01:42:066 (1) - shouldnt section have denser rhythm i think it's calmer
02:28:764 (3,4,5) - obtuse uwu
03:34:991 (7) - isnt this too far? also it looks like an even bigger difference cuz 03:34:000 (5)

[hard]
ok

Dubturt wrote:

hi m4m changed to botan just 4 u good boi

[easy]

1. 00:30:746 (5) - this have drum additions but similar stuff like 00:28:481 (3,4) - are soft additions
2. 00:47:727 (4,5) - imo kind of hard movement looks fine 2 me
3. 01:29:613 (3) - maybe its just me but i dont here sound on blue tick? both r vocals
4. 01:38:670 (3) - ^
5. 03:26:783 (5,7) - dunno about this overlap perfectly fine, the reverse gives plenty of time for players to read it too

[normal]

1. 01:25:793 (5,1) - hmm this plays or maybe looks weird , i suggest putting the head of 1 like right beside the tail of 5 zzz i liek tho
   clean diff ^^ ^^"

[hard]

1. 00:20:557 (1,3,4,5) - doesnt look clean imo maybe because of the stacking caused by 4 and 1's tail
2. 01:09:802 (6,2) - uh fix overlap doesnt matter zzzz
3. 01:21:123 (3,1) - some players might think that they'll click the tail of 1 hehe ^-^
4. 03:43:198 (5,6) - too spaced compared to the other similar parts
   ye i like the chorus parts

nothing to say about insane (i like it)

sorry i cant really mod extra diffs

ye nub mod
gl!

newton- wrote:

m4m, modded around the same drain as my entire set to be fair

[collab extra]

1. 00:53:387 (1,2) // 03:22:821 (1,2) - not sure thisll easily be read as 1/4 due to spacing. maybe nc 2 to be apparent? (02:08:104 (1,2) - isnt rlly a problem bc they still overlap since they're both sliders, even if they misread this slider leniency will still save them B)
2. 01:40:651 (4) - ctrlg for circular flow? thats lame :/
3. 02:35:840 (1,2,1,2) - should be spaced more, some less intense kiai jumps have higher spacing than this really prominent snare thing

[extra]

1. 00:14:189 // 00:23:246 - should have a note here to stay consistent with 00:16:029 (1,2,3) - vocals are slightly different
2. 00:40:793 (5,1) // 03:10:227 (8,1) - having these stacked as a surprise would create more tension for the next section i think since you'll be abruptly stopping movement nah i prefer mine
3. 00:44:330 (1,1) // 01:59:330 (1,1) - 1/4 jump for emphasis? not what im going for
4. 00:49:566 (5,1) - y no blanket u wu
5. 00:52:113 (6,1) - should be more spaced than (5,6) since downbeat + that extra bell sound meh i still like this, blame kib
6. 01:12:349 (3,4) - shouldnt be as spaced as it is rn imo, (3,4) is a less prominent sound than (1,2) and yet it's more spaced
7. 02:30:746 (1,1,1) // 03:45:463 (1,1,1) - should be overlapped/spaced instead of stacked like the other ones :/ yeah give me good suggestions for these and i will consider it
8. 03:32:585 (6,1) - shouldnt this also be highly spaced like stuff like 02:17:868 (2,1) - no it shouldnt

alr posted my map to mod in ur q

good luck!

Itasha_S13 wrote:

• Extra
  00:05:557 (4,5) - ugly overlap there w beautiful overlapppp
  00:12:632 (1,2) - spacing to 2 is too much imo, should be less, like 00:11:076 (4,5) - theres a kick, also slider leniency makes this a lot easier than it looks
  00:17:161 (1) - do ctrl+g? so this slider heads to the right like 00:17:444 (2) - according to 00:08:104 (1,2) - both sound r the same so I think it would make more sense to make both sliders to head to the same direction w it makes more sense for it to not imo, distinction between the 2 sounds
  00:31:029 (2) - maybe rotate this like -33 (parallel as 00:30:746 (1) - ), while playing I was like uh that slider rotation is messed up but idk it's ctrl+h'd
  00:54:378 (2,1) - spacing between these is TOOOO short, 1 has a really strong sound + that "YYEEEEH" which is not emphasized at all, I can't feel it loool this was funny. but sadly that would ruin the pickup pattern i want to go for here
  01:03:293 (1,2) - spacing too short, kinda awkward to take this after that big jump ^, this is a 6.5 extra so players should b able to deal with stuff like this
  01:45:746 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - spacing should be nerfed, this part of the song is clearly less intense, but I feel like the map keeps the same as before, like 01:40:934 (1,2,3,4) - these jumps has the same spacing 3.18~ but as said, 01:45:746 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - is clearly less intense
  01:49:283 (2,3,4) - same, to much spacing imo suggestion-. http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9388867
  02:33:576 (3,4) - I think that both sliders should not head to the same direction because you used that for other kind of sounds, and in the other kiai parts you never placed them like that ill change it later
  02:26:783 (3,4,1,2) - should have mOre spacing these are fine as they are lol
  03:23:670 (1,2) - ^

Kisses wrote:

I took a look at the set in my own time and think it's good to be pushed

I'll give it a proper mod later this morning ~

Extra
I think having 1/8 gaps between spinners and another object is a bit overkill like 03:12:349 (1,1) (yh I know it's half bpm). Consider shortening spinners to blue ticks uhh i dont really mind either way but tbh it's not very hard to play these lol xd

00:01:453 (2) - im sitting on the fence with these... I'll get back to them later, maybe uhh i could colourhax them as red so ppl know they're different if u want

02:27:066 (1,2,1) - How about switching things up like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9392619 This would give much more spacing emphasis to 02:27:349 (1) which I think would be ideal, like you did at 03:23:670 (1,2,1) not really the flow that i want zzz i think mine's more natural to play

03:49:991 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - wow, and you call doormat a pp mapper but he is : ) my maps give negative pp

03:54:944 (1) - Move a bit closer so the 1/4 jump is more obvious? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9392633

Collab
02:56:642 (2) - I'm guessing you placed this here to keep the structure of the map with underlaps but I think it would be better if it were placed in a position where it gave more spacing to 02:56:783 (1) . I just believe this would play better. How about this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9392684

03:02:161 (4) - I think you can follow the vocals better here, since that's what you've been following in the whole section. Consider https://i.imgur.com/Hb9gMM5.png

[]I read the mods (including MariduiS' wall....) and added my own suggestions that werent mentioned. I'll mod the other diffs tomorrow ~

Kisses wrote:

Collab
02:05:274 (3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9401838 slightly offscreen

Extra
01:03:859 (2) - ^ https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9401854

Insane
Fix tags for Milan uhh i dont see anything wrong with it but fixed ??? lol

Hard
how about starting the map at 00:04:708 (1) - ? It comes off as a bit weird to the player that the earlier part was mapped in a lower difficulty and not a higher one (insane) . The density and spacing don't really portray the contrast in the different sections of the song. 00:00:180 (1) - and 00:04:708 (1) - edit: nvm the insane is actually the only diff that didn't map the intro, but I still think it'd be nice if you could show a bit more contrast with the intro and the section after lol dunno what exactly u want me to do, and besides its already kinda different with less note density with the 1/2 reverses

hp5 onegai ~ 4.5 at least, I won't rank anything lower than that

00:36:406 (1) - for this build I thought it would be nice and reflective of the song to reduce the density a little, so you can feel the calmness with a reduced amount of clicking. WHat do you think about deleting circles like 00:39:378 (2,5) - and/or some other changes of your preference?

03:34:566 (6,7) - A slightly harder pattern than the previous 2 kiais could be a nice and healthy difficulty spike, what do you think? 03:31:878 (1,2,3,4,5) - is alrdy hard enough for me , (i actualy had to nerf this diff before LOL)

Normal
hp4 i did 3.5 so now it's 2 -> 3.5 -> 5 at increments of 1.5

00:37:538 (2) - https://i.imgur.com/4Zoftzq.png ? based on how you mapped the previous measure should prob be consistent with 03:06:972 (2) - instead?

00:45:321 - no need to mute slider end. You can just have it as 80% like the start of the kiai. You will already have a contrast in volume with the hitsound additions given to 00:45:463 (1) and the muted slider end removes all feedback which is imho, un-ideal for 1/2 beats (1/4 at this bpm) for normal diffs.

01:32:161 (4) - missing whistle? There's a vocal sound here and you have a soft addition which makes me believe you meant to add whistle

Easy
00:39:802 (5) - whistle on end like 00:37:538 (2) . They're both vocals right?

01:31:595 (5) - suggestion ~ https://i.imgur.com/I6r2oSm.png i prefer instruments over vocals, just like 01:40:934 (5,6) - so i'd much rather skip vocals than the kicks

03:53:387 (1) - spinner suggestion. starting from 03:53:387 to 03:55:651 . I don't need to state my reasons for it just say whether you like it or not gomen lol ;;
[]w~

give me a source pls
http://recreators.tv/music/
http://www.sh-nzk.net/artist/sawanohiro ... /VVCL-1032
http://www.sh-nzk.net/artist/sawanohiro ... /VVCL-1098

AJamez wrote:

hello just some few problems i found for top diff pls only giv kudosu if helpful

1. 00:05:557 (4,5) - imo having whistles on the sliderends for this part sounds like a gall to me cus 00:05:840 (5) - you have a whistle here and another whistle here 00:06:123 (1) - and it's kinda unceasing or it just doesnt suit for the sound, why not put it on the sliderheads instead. i know u did it on 00:08:104 (1,2) - but here u used constant sliders so that's fine and the drum isnt that loud as the first one
2. 01:07:113 (1,2) - would look better if you'd avoid stacking these to keep the aesthetic flow u made here u know like what u did on 02:19:708 (2,2,2) - c: i kinda just placed them based on feeling since i like both semi-stack and fully stacked stuff lol oops
3. 01:44:896 (3,4) - this two notes here, the rhythm would be definetly better if you'd ctrl g cus the vocal starts on the white tick. i know i could hear different sounds on the bg but it'd be better if you'll follow the vocals that you've been following instead so 01:45:321 (4,1) - this would have a better transition to each other also to be consistent with the other ones like 01:46:453 (7,1,4,1) - i've been following the instrumentals this entire time thoo
4. 01:53:104 (3,1) - i feel like the spacing between these is quite underspaced compared to 01:50:981 (6,1) - since 01:53:387 - this gives a strong vocal sound cus downbeat why not lower this more and give 01:53:104 (3) - atleast a 3.0x ds to the next slider to have the same the same as ^^^ for the c0l0ur :S
5. 03:32:161 (3,5) - ok personal preference but i'd prefer these circles here to have ncs cus the sound is reasonable to emphasize the l0ud drums also u did it on 03:41:500 (1,2,1,2) - why not here as well and the follow points just look kinda messy to me xd 03:49:991 - while on this part the circles are arranged propely cus it uses only a vertical movement so i guess that's fine but up to u tho
6. 03:55:722 (1) - idk i just dont think this spinner kinda fit and just feels too forced imo, why not remove it instead dont u think? definitely not unrankable since auto hits 2000 on this, and tbh i stole this from skystar's bull's eye lmao. ive also seen Karen and cRyo do it (who did i actually copy from?
   hmmm)

that's all~ looking forward to see this ranked soon!!

Doormat wrote:

yo

[Easy]

1. 00:17:161 (4) - personally feel that dividing this into something like 00:12:632 (5,6) - would be better for emphasis

Normal is fine

[Hard]

1. 02:25:368 (2,3,4) - consider Ctrl+G the rhythm here; i feel it fits the instrumental focus a bit more nicely
2. 02:36:264 (1) - would rather see this divided into two circles rather than a slider; 02:36:258 - and 02:36:406 - are two completely different sounds so it doesn't make much sense to combine the two like this. alternatively you could Ctrl+G 02:36:123 (3,1) - tell me if u think this is too edgy

Milan's diff is also fine

[Collab Extra]

1. 01:50:698 (1) - why the NC here? feels really unnecessary
2. 03:50:557 (1,2,3,4) - personally i don't feel these should be 1/8 sliders; the sound emphasis and rhythm patterning here are fundamentally different from how they are used in the choruses, so it feels out of place here. probably better to just make these jumps like 03:49:991 (1,2,3,4) -

[Altair]

1. 01:12:066 (1,2,3,4) - i feel spacing should be lowered a bit here; doesn't have as much impact as the other two choruses due to the lack of snares, so the spacing should be slightly lowered as well to reflect that
2. 01:44:896 (3,4) - shouldn't this be Ctrl+G'd lol thats what i thought at first too but theres a tiny click sound in the bg lol x)
3. 02:44:896 (3,4) - spacing here is unusually high compared to everything around it
4. 03:46:453 (1,2) - could probably nerf this jump a little bit too, actually
5. 03:49:000 (2,3) - the spacing here could probably be made a little bit bigger to help with momentum buildup

ok do what you need to do