I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase
hmm...
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Getting banned from a forum for voicing unpopular opinions/being annoying is not a violation of free speech, and neither is getting your posts removed. Getting arrested by the state for voicing an unpopular opinion is a violation of free speech. Forums got nothing to do with it.B1rd wrote:
Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it.
Yes, that's kind of how it works when you have a small circle of people that just want to be among themselves and aren't looking for annoying, drawn-out fights. Tuuba is a forum for said in-group. If you don't fit and constantly clash with other users, you are no longer wanted. This is no different to how it works irl, by the way. You consistently provocate people and generally act in annoying ways? Eventually you're gonna get kicked out. Would you then complain about "missing impartiality" the same way you're complaining here? Have some common sense, man.B1rd wrote:
The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say".
Yeah, you being an ass is subjectiv, that's the whole point! It's subjective to THEM, so THEY removed your stuff because THEY don't want to deal with annoying shit.B1rd wrote:
And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.
who on earth does something like that? Being annoying on purpose to verify the rules, excuse me what? No wonder they deleted your shit, lol.B1rd wrote:
I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
Railey2 wrote:
Getting banned from a forum for voicing unpopular opinions/being annoying is not a violation of free speech. Getting arrested by the state for voicing an unpopular opinion is a violation of free speech. Forums got nothing to do with it.B1rd wrote:
Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it.Yes, that's kind of how it works when you have a small circle of people that just want to be among themselves and aren't looking for annoying, drawn-out fights. Tuuba is a forum for said in-group. If you don't fit and constantly clash with other users, you are no longer wanted. This is no different to how it works irl, by the way. You consistently provocate people and generally act in annoying ways? Eventually you're gonna get kicked out. Would you then complain about "missing impartiality" the same way you're complaining here? Have some common sense, man.B1rd wrote:
The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say".
Here you even admit to being an annoying prick:Yeah, you being an ass is subjectiv, that's the whole point! It's subjective to THEM, so THEY banned YOU because THEY don't want to deal with ASSES.B1rd wrote:
And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.
But to sum this up: You broke the rules by posting politics in a place where it wasn't wanted. In other words: You were being annoying, even more so after mocking them afterwards. Now you double down on it by basically calling them all pussies who need "safe spaces" (very patronizing). Charming as always.
Are you really surprised that they wanted to get rid of you?
But this is the kicker:who on earth does something like that? Being annoying on purpose to verify the rules, excuse me what? No wonder they banned you, lol.B1rd wrote:
I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
Do you not have any experience with RL social interaction? Are you a sociopath? What's going on here?
I really don't dislike you that much, in my book you're just one hell of a weird guy. But damn this looks like you really need to get out of your cave. You got banned on fucking tuuba my man. If that's not a sign that you need to reconsider your life choices, then I don't know what is.
B1rd wrote:
Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything. People will not post in this ITT thread for a week and then complain because a couple people talked about politics in it. It's silly, really.
B1rd wrote:
I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase
hmm...
Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.Tupsu wrote:
B1rd wrote:
Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything. People will not post in this ITT thread for a week and then complain because a couple people talked about politics in it. It's silly, really.B1rd wrote:
I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase
hmm...
Feels like a challange.B1rd wrote:
Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything.
abraker wrote:
Feels like a challange.B1rd wrote:
Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything.
Let's to turn this thread in a counting thread.
death to ITT2DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Why would you pick the most boring possible subject for a derail? Kys
O~O~O~O~O~O~O~O~O~O~Oabraker wrote:
death to ITT2DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Why would you pick the most boring possible subject for a derail? Kys
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Yeah, if you open a thread and see two pages of politics in a clearly heated discussion, the probability of you dropping a lighthearted comment inbetween is exactly the same as if you open a thread where everyone is just chatting away, light-heartedly. I don't think so.B1rd wrote:
Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Jesus Christ man.B1rd wrote:
I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: You're living in your own crazy world. Step out of it sometime, see that whoever you're talking to is a person as well. Sometimes they get annoyed, sometimes they lash out, and if you treat them well they will probably get along with you.B1rd wrote:
To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.
Abraker Is A Furry Lover confirmed!!!abraker wrote:
b1rd should make his own forum
Well people are certainly capable of ignoring certain posts and in Tuuba there was definitely occasions with two or more separate discussions going on in one thread. To be honest, I'm not sure if people unable to master this skill are people I care about preventing being alienated. But regardless, political discussions are few and far between and they're not stopping people from shitposting for 90% of the time. And the thing with the Tuuba community is you didn't have such a big dichotomy between shitposters/social posters and abstract economic theory posters (and that's really giving credit to the discussions we have here). We could actually have conversations about relevant and meaningful facets of daily life and the discussion was more often on a midpoint of intellectual stimulation rather than being on one of the two extremes we have here.Railey2 wrote:
Yeah, if you open a thread and see two pages of politics in a clearly heated discussion, the probability of you dropping a lighthearted comment inbetween is exactly the same as if you open a thread where everyone is just chatting away, light-heartedly. I don't think so.B1rd wrote:
Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
Don't pretend like politics doesn't alienate a good part of the userbase, and I'm not arguing that we should stop going on about politics, but at least be honest here.
ANYWAY
I get it, you feel like you got treated unfairly, and maybe that is true or maybe it is not. I can't really tell, as I'm not willing to go on tuuba to check, but I can tell you one thing: Your attitude is off the fucking rails. That's what my post was mainly about, whether or not you were treated unfairly on tuuba, you CLEARLY have a lot to sort out regardless. If you ask me, you need to spend some more time with people and learn how to get along instead of reading questionable articles about macroeconomics and systems of governance.
I am sure that this issue was something that could have been figured out with some PMs (the right PMs), but instead you do this:Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Jesus Christ man.B1rd wrote:
I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
Tuuba is just a small forum with people that try to get along, yeah? Meanwhile, this is what you have to say about it:I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: You're living in your own crazy world. Step out of it sometime, see that whoever you're talking to is a person as well. Sometimes they get annoyed, sometimes they lash out, and if you treat them well they will probably get along with you.B1rd wrote:
To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.
Not everything has to be seen through the lense of theoretical, detached and convoluted sociological theory. Just try to be a bit more normal, yeah?
the funniest thing is all this was triggered by me just posting a link to the forumsMilkshake wrote:
listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Drama I can handle, but not being in a toxic environment where I have to self censor or get my posts deleted. You think going back on my word and me apologising for something I'm not sorry about would change anything? I doubt it. There is no reason why I'd want to go back, I have more freedom to post over here, no reason for me to go and suck up to people I don't like.Milkshake wrote:
listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to themB1rd wrote:
Drama I can handle, but not being in a toxic environment where I have to self censor or get my posts deleted. You think going back on my word and me apologising for something I'm not sorry about would change anything? I doubt it. There is no reason why I'd want to go back, I have more freedom to post over here, no reason for me to go and suck up to people I don't like.Milkshake wrote:
listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Basically, there are two things that need to happen before I'd post at Tuuba again:
-ITT would have to be for all content, and no content, such as political stuff, should be banned from there
-forum policy should be decided by votes, not by one guy (IppE) deciding whatever he wants himself
If you actually wanted the forum to be run democratically then you could probably do it. Draw some analogies from unions. If you don't want to, then we have nothing to talk about.Milkshake wrote:
well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to them
excuse me sir but literally what does your response have to do with what I wrote youB1rd wrote:
If you actually wanted the forum to be run democratically then you could probably do it. Draw some analogies from unions. If you don't want to, then we have nothing to talk about.Milkshake wrote:
well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to them
okay yes, I agree on that idea as well but it throws me back to my initial point - his forums, his rules (and that means he can decide in what way they're agreed upon as well- all by himself or the whole userbase). if people disagree with the rules that were set or the way there were set, well, they are free to leave.B1rd wrote:
All I'm really talking about it have the users have a vote on forum rule and policy changes. It makes more sense on a forum with like less than 20 active users.
cliques form even in smaller social groups tho, which would become voting blocsB1rd wrote:
All I'm really talking about it have the users have a vote on forum rule and policy changes. It makes more sense on a forum with like less than 20 active users.
he seemed like an upstanding human being that had contributed a lot to society.lol wrote:
rip lil peep x
Just like Trayvon Martin.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
he seemed like an upstanding human being that had contributed a lot to society.lol wrote:
rip lil peep x
He will be missed.