hi again
[Cool's Easy]
[Chalwa's Normal]
[ReFaller's Hard]
get kurai to recheck after this then call me (need rebub first considering gameplay elements are changed)
[Cool's Easy]
- 00:26:997 (2,3,4,5) - Rhythm is rather vague and not to the point, seems a bit unfitting for Easy. I don't understand why they're on offbeat notes, try this rhythm: https://voli.s-ul.eu/87F3Ay6M.png
- 00:30:910 (2,3) - again offbeats, strange rhythm, consider rhythm that you used here too 00:36:453 (2,3) - https://voli.s-ul.eu/Qw39xcfc.png
- 00:41:344 (2,3) - too pls
[Chalwa's Normal]
- 00:31:888 (1,2) - I don't really understand the rhythm here, there's nothing on 00:32:377 (2) - . Perhaps make it similar to 00:27:323 (2) - ? Same goes for 00:33:192 (4,5) - . I'd accentuate the piano notes if I were you
- 01:07:268 (3,4,5) - rhythm seems a bit too complicated for a normal (and compared to the rest of your diff). Consider simplifying it like this? https://voli.s-ul.eu/C9Xi1N1n.png - or alternatively, similar to 01:11:997 (3,4,5) -
- 00:03:192 (2,3) - these seem super undermapped/underwhelming compared to the rest of the patterns in this intro. I understand that you don't want to start the map with complicated patterns, but could you at least make every white tick clickable like 00:11:018 (1,2,3,4) - ? Even the normal is more dense here now
- 00:16:888 (2,3) - this seems a bit overdone, you use 2 sliders for patterns like 00:18:192 (2,3) - with two vocal chords, perhaps simplify this to differentiate them
- 00:42:975 (2) - balance out the spacing? its the only object in the entire map with 0,70 so ya
[ReFaller's Hard]
- 01:15:583 (4) - you mentioned you want to keep ''one way flow'' but this doesn't flow one way at all because of the counter intuitive positioning of the slider tail. Consider something like this or another placement of the slider: https://voli.s-ul.eu/f7Ju1X8l.png
- 00:40:855 (1,2) - My problem with these is that you suddenly swapped to this for no reason while you were following a vocal line here 00:39:714 (1,2,3) - . Could you follow the entire vocals through here? Swapping there seems unreasonable.
irc insane
20:14 Asserin: Do you rember about me?
20:14 Asserin: remember*
20:23 Voli: yea
20:23 Asserin: Okok
20:25 Voli: yea i still dont understand why you wouldnt make those sliders into notes
20:27 Asserin: Cus has lower priority than other parts in song
20:27 Asserin: Thats it is mapper easier to play
20:29 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1) - I can make it as 2 notes but i have reason to keep it as slider
20:29 Asserin: But mostly it doesnt metter
20:31 Voli: the thing is
20:31 Voli: when all of those objects are sliders
20:32 Voli: what you´re trying to achieve by putting a slider gets less effective
20:32 Voli: because there is no differentiation
20:33 Asserin: She is not shouting? I dont know how to explain it
20:34 Voli: but theyre still two vocals
20:34 Asserin: Sliders can take 2 notes as 1 note
20:35 Asserin: A lot of maps got it like that
20:35 Voli: yea i know but
20:35 Voli: 01:05:801 (1) - the vocal on the sliderend is STRONGERT
20:35 Voli: than on the head
20:36 Voli: thats why it plays better as two notes because then the strongest vocal is CLICKABLE
20:36 Voli: and its a prominent vocal as well since its the first one of that entire section
20:36 Voli: so idk why you'd make it underwhelming by putting a slider
20:36 Voli: 01:11:018 (1,2) - its literally the same here
20:37 Asserin: I know it but i just said my version of it is still good. It is possible to change, sure. I just said i had reason to keep it like that
20:37 Voli: =.=
20:37 Voli: its about making smth better than it is
20:37 Voli: thats what modding it
20:37 Voli: is
20:37 Asserin: Indeed
20:38 Voli: im not forcing you to change it but
20:38 Voli: well i jsut dont see any reason why you wouldn't
20:39 Voli: 01:13:627 (1) - spacing feels lower than usual
20:39 Voli: i'd expect a bit bigger movement from 01:13:301 (5) -
20:39 Asserin: I just mostly wont accept modding who are interfere with my style/rhytmic thats all and your opinion about it is correct but i just said my version is still okey
20:40 Asserin: Yea there is lower space cus i used ds here xD
20:41 Asserin: I think i just forgot to change posiotion but mostly disctance is the same
20:41 Asserin: 1.3x for nc
20:41 Asserin: 1.5x
20:41 Asserin: But from time to time you know
20:41 Asserin: It is impossible to keep ds with some patterns
20:42 Voli: i also think the aesthetic/angle of that pattern can be improved
20:42 Voli: how about this? https://voli.s-ul.eu/LPvzlyhU.png
20:42 Voli: 01:12:975 (4) - 90 degree
20:43 Asserin: Yea but it will be problem for 01:13:872 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
20:43 Voli: then you work around it ? XD
20:43 Asserin: Just give me moment
20:46 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxhRU.jpg
20:46 Asserin: I think it will be ok
20:46 Voli: huh
20:46 Voli: did you remove the entier slider o,o
20:46 Asserin: entier?
20:46 Voli: entire
20:47 Voli: wheres the slider in that picture
20:47 Asserin: Same like in your ss
20:48 Voli: wheres 01:13:627 (6) -
20:48 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxhYo.jpg
20:48 Voli: oh okay
20:48 Asserin: Btw i fixed hs which you finded earlier
20:49 Asserin: So dont worry about it
20:49 Voli: ohj ok
20:49 Voli: and well
20:49 Voli: the same goes for
20:49 Voli: 01:18:844 (1) - and 01:19:497 (3) -
20:49 Voli: wouldnt you make them notes
20:49 Voli: so mny sliders in a row D:
20:50 Asserin: Hmm
20:50 Asserin: Lemme check it
20:50 Voli: 01:19:497 (3,4) - these sounds are represented by the same objects
20:51 Voli: but 01:19:497 (3) - are two vocals and 01:19:823 (4) - is one
20:51 Voli: thats why im suggesting two notes for 01:19:497 (3) -
20:53 Asserin: I can switch all sliders to 2notes if you want but i will need sth like 10min for that
20:53 Voli: take your time lol
20:53 Voli: 01:08:410 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern
20:53 Voli: is rly cool to represent this
20:54 Asserin: Thanks xD
20:55 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/xxijs.jpg
20:56 Asserin: Tell me if you agree it
20:58 Voli: dont know if you should do the overlap since you dont do this mechanic anywhere else
20:58 Voli: other than that ok
20:59 Asserin: So i will fix it
20:59 Voli: 01:08:083 (6,1) - could you fix this spacing as well
21:00 Voli: it should be bigger following your logic
21:00 Voli: maybe alter this slider a bit 01:08:083 (6) -
21:00 Asserin: I will move it to left side
21:06 Asserin: 01:08:083 (6,1) - http://puu.sh/xxiLg.jpg
21:06 Asserin: I think its enough
21:06 Voli: yea thats better
21:06 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/xxiMY.jpg
21:07 Asserin: Cus i made the same 01:07:105 (1,2,3,4,5) -
21:07 Voli: yea that seems nice too
21:10 Asserin: 01:16:236 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - http://puu.sh/xxiTM.jpg http://puu.sh/xxiUw.jpg http://puu.sh/xxiVY.jpg
21:11 Voli: alrighto
21:11 Voli: seems ok to me
21:11 Voli: well you can update the diff so i can see it
21:11 Voli: dont forget to hs
21:11 Asserin: Indeed
21:16 Asserin: 01:18:844 - This is a bit harder to change XD
21:18 Voli: hmm
21:18 Asserin: I can switch it but i need more time for that XD
21:19 Voli: could i give you an example
21:19 Voli: ?
21:19 Asserin: Oh
21:19 Asserin: I got idea
21:19 Voli: ill send you a diff
21:19 Voli: oh
21:20 Voli: well either way
21:20 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/oWZhNW4T.osu
21:20 Voli: open it in a new diff
21:20 Voli: maybe it'll give you inspiration
21:21 Voli: 01:18:844 -
21:22 Asserin: Holy its pretty good
21:22 Asserin: I made similar thing but your looks better at all
21:22 Asserin: XD
21:22 Voli: hm XD
21:22 Voli: well i couldnt explain my idea
21:22 Voli: withotu showing
21:22 Voli: thats why
21:22 Asserin: But 01:20:801 (3,4) - is too big
21:22 Voli: hmm yea
21:22 Voli: well its just an example either way
21:23 Asserin: Lemme moment
21:27 Asserin: I had to replace a lot of note but it mostly the same just moved xy
21:28 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxjLy.osu
21:30 Voli: 01:07:594 (4) - maybe move it like https://voli.s-ul.eu/s04I5fkj.png
21:30 Voli: because you kinda removed the symmetrical nature of the pattern
21:30 Voli: so this looks less forced
21:30 Asserin: k
21:30 Asserin: Btw
21:31 Asserin: 01:09:062 (4,5,6) - Reduced space here cus 01:18:844 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is the same part
21:31 Asserin: I made sth silimar
21:31 Voli: oh yea
21:31 Asserin: But its stacked a bit ugly
21:31 Asserin: ;-;
21:32 Voli: hmm you wont see it
21:32 Voli: outside of editor
21:32 Asserin: I see but it looks better out of editor
21:32 Asserin: XD
21:33 Asserin: Have you more suggestion about this map?
21:34 Voli: okay
21:34 Voli: the diff looks better to me now
20:14 Asserin: remember*
20:23 Voli: yea
20:23 Asserin: Okok
20:25 Voli: yea i still dont understand why you wouldnt make those sliders into notes
20:27 Asserin: Cus has lower priority than other parts in song
20:27 Asserin: Thats it is mapper easier to play
20:29 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1) - I can make it as 2 notes but i have reason to keep it as slider
20:29 Asserin: But mostly it doesnt metter
20:31 Voli: the thing is
20:31 Voli: when all of those objects are sliders
20:32 Voli: what you´re trying to achieve by putting a slider gets less effective
20:32 Voli: because there is no differentiation
20:33 Asserin: She is not shouting? I dont know how to explain it
20:34 Voli: but theyre still two vocals
20:34 Asserin: Sliders can take 2 notes as 1 note
20:35 Asserin: A lot of maps got it like that
20:35 Voli: yea i know but
20:35 Voli: 01:05:801 (1) - the vocal on the sliderend is STRONGERT
20:35 Voli: than on the head
20:36 Voli: thats why it plays better as two notes because then the strongest vocal is CLICKABLE
20:36 Voli: and its a prominent vocal as well since its the first one of that entire section
20:36 Voli: so idk why you'd make it underwhelming by putting a slider
20:36 Voli: 01:11:018 (1,2) - its literally the same here
20:37 Asserin: I know it but i just said my version of it is still good. It is possible to change, sure. I just said i had reason to keep it like that
20:37 Voli: =.=
20:37 Voli: its about making smth better than it is
20:37 Voli: thats what modding it
20:37 Voli: is
20:37 Asserin: Indeed
20:38 Voli: im not forcing you to change it but
20:38 Voli: well i jsut dont see any reason why you wouldn't
20:39 Voli: 01:13:627 (1) - spacing feels lower than usual
20:39 Voli: i'd expect a bit bigger movement from 01:13:301 (5) -
20:39 Asserin: I just mostly wont accept modding who are interfere with my style/rhytmic thats all and your opinion about it is correct but i just said my version is still okey
20:40 Asserin: Yea there is lower space cus i used ds here xD
20:41 Asserin: I think i just forgot to change posiotion but mostly disctance is the same
20:41 Asserin: 1.3x for nc
20:41 Asserin: 1.5x
20:41 Asserin: But from time to time you know
20:41 Asserin: It is impossible to keep ds with some patterns
20:42 Voli: i also think the aesthetic/angle of that pattern can be improved
20:42 Voli: how about this? https://voli.s-ul.eu/LPvzlyhU.png
20:42 Voli: 01:12:975 (4) - 90 degree
20:43 Asserin: Yea but it will be problem for 01:13:872 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
20:43 Voli: then you work around it ? XD
20:43 Asserin: Just give me moment
20:46 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxhRU.jpg
20:46 Asserin: I think it will be ok
20:46 Voli: huh
20:46 Voli: did you remove the entier slider o,o
20:46 Asserin: entier?
20:46 Voli: entire
20:47 Voli: wheres the slider in that picture
20:47 Asserin: Same like in your ss
20:48 Voli: wheres 01:13:627 (6) -
20:48 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxhYo.jpg
20:48 Voli: oh okay
20:48 Asserin: Btw i fixed hs which you finded earlier
20:49 Asserin: So dont worry about it
20:49 Voli: ohj ok
20:49 Voli: and well
20:49 Voli: the same goes for
20:49 Voli: 01:18:844 (1) - and 01:19:497 (3) -
20:49 Voli: wouldnt you make them notes
20:49 Voli: so mny sliders in a row D:
20:50 Asserin: Hmm
20:50 Asserin: Lemme check it
20:50 Voli: 01:19:497 (3,4) - these sounds are represented by the same objects
20:51 Voli: but 01:19:497 (3) - are two vocals and 01:19:823 (4) - is one
20:51 Voli: thats why im suggesting two notes for 01:19:497 (3) -
20:53 Asserin: I can switch all sliders to 2notes if you want but i will need sth like 10min for that
20:53 Voli: take your time lol
20:53 Voli: 01:08:410 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this pattern
20:53 Voli: is rly cool to represent this
20:54 Asserin: Thanks xD
20:55 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/xxijs.jpg
20:56 Asserin: Tell me if you agree it
20:58 Voli: dont know if you should do the overlap since you dont do this mechanic anywhere else
20:58 Voli: other than that ok
20:59 Asserin: So i will fix it
20:59 Voli: 01:08:083 (6,1) - could you fix this spacing as well
21:00 Voli: it should be bigger following your logic
21:00 Voli: maybe alter this slider a bit 01:08:083 (6) -
21:00 Asserin: I will move it to left side
21:06 Asserin: 01:08:083 (6,1) - http://puu.sh/xxiLg.jpg
21:06 Asserin: I think its enough
21:06 Voli: yea thats better
21:06 Asserin: 01:05:801 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/xxiMY.jpg
21:07 Asserin: Cus i made the same 01:07:105 (1,2,3,4,5) -
21:07 Voli: yea that seems nice too
21:10 Asserin: 01:16:236 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - http://puu.sh/xxiTM.jpg http://puu.sh/xxiUw.jpg http://puu.sh/xxiVY.jpg
21:11 Voli: alrighto
21:11 Voli: seems ok to me
21:11 Voli: well you can update the diff so i can see it
21:11 Voli: dont forget to hs
21:11 Asserin: Indeed
21:16 Asserin: 01:18:844 - This is a bit harder to change XD
21:18 Voli: hmm
21:18 Asserin: I can switch it but i need more time for that XD
21:19 Voli: could i give you an example
21:19 Voli: ?
21:19 Asserin: Oh
21:19 Asserin: I got idea
21:19 Voli: ill send you a diff
21:19 Voli: oh
21:20 Voli: well either way
21:20 Voli: https://voli.s-ul.eu/oWZhNW4T.osu
21:20 Voli: open it in a new diff
21:20 Voli: maybe it'll give you inspiration
21:21 Voli: 01:18:844 -
21:22 Asserin: Holy its pretty good
21:22 Asserin: I made similar thing but your looks better at all
21:22 Asserin: XD
21:22 Voli: hm XD
21:22 Voli: well i couldnt explain my idea
21:22 Voli: withotu showing
21:22 Voli: thats why
21:22 Asserin: But 01:20:801 (3,4) - is too big
21:22 Voli: hmm yea
21:22 Voli: well its just an example either way
21:23 Asserin: Lemme moment
21:27 Asserin: I had to replace a lot of note but it mostly the same just moved xy
21:28 Asserin: http://puu.sh/xxjLy.osu
21:30 Voli: 01:07:594 (4) - maybe move it like https://voli.s-ul.eu/s04I5fkj.png
21:30 Voli: because you kinda removed the symmetrical nature of the pattern
21:30 Voli: so this looks less forced
21:30 Asserin: k
21:30 Asserin: Btw
21:31 Asserin: 01:09:062 (4,5,6) - Reduced space here cus 01:18:844 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is the same part
21:31 Asserin: I made sth silimar
21:31 Voli: oh yea
21:31 Asserin: But its stacked a bit ugly
21:31 Asserin: ;-;
21:32 Voli: hmm you wont see it
21:32 Voli: outside of editor
21:32 Asserin: I see but it looks better out of editor
21:32 Asserin: XD
21:33 Asserin: Have you more suggestion about this map?
21:34 Voli: okay
21:34 Voli: the diff looks better to me now
get kurai to recheck after this then call me (need rebub first considering gameplay elements are changed)