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16:48 _DT3: Hey o/
16:48 lazyboy007: oy!
16:48 lazyboy007: \o
16:48 lazyboy007: doing goood?
16:48 _DT3: Yep, and you?
16:49 lazyboy007: ye pretty good ^^
16:49 _DT3: About this
16:49 *_DT3 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1078718 Demetori - Yumeshoushitsu ~ Lost Dream [Insomniac]]
16:49 lazyboy007: aha modding my map I see
16:49 _DT3: Can we IRC it?
16:50 lazyboy007: sure
16:50 lazyboy007: :3
16:50 _DT3: Oky
16:52 _DT3: So first off
16:53 _DT3: Your bg dimensions are unrankable
16:53 lazyboy007: oh? :o
16:53 _DT3: As well as some of your sb pics' dimensions
16:53 _DT3: They have the dimension 1777x1191
16:53 _DT3: Will double check that
16:54 lazyboy007: hm actually rankable
16:54 lazyboy007: Storyboard images must not exceed a width of 1920 pixels and a height of 1200 pixels
16:54 _DT3: They have a non-rankable ratio though
16:55 lazyboy007: I don't see anything about ratio in the ranking criteria unless I'm mistaken
16:55 _DT3: It's neither 4:3 nor 16:9
16:55 _DT3: Was recently added I think
16:56 lazyboy007: it's maybe in one of the suggestions for new ranking criteria
16:56 lazyboy007: but it's not in the final version
16:56 lazyboy007: if you check
16:56 lazyboy007: https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria
16:56 _DT3: Yeah true
16:57 _DT3: Ok, then lets move on
16:58 lazyboy007: yep ^^ I'm always confused with bg sizes and so on so it's cool that you checked :p
16:58 _DT3: To understand a bit better, what was your intention with stacks like these 00:50:060 (2,3) - ?
16:58 lazyboy007: hm I was spacing according to the high notes
16:58 lazyboy007: but on 3 there was no high note
16:59 lazyboy007: so I stacked them in order to represent that
16:59 _DT3: Ok
16:59 lazyboy007: I still needed to put a click there in order to not ignore the other sounds at that same time
16:59 _DT3: Yeah
17:00 _DT3: My main issue though is how it ruins the movement of the map since you stop moving your cursor although the song still is rather intense
17:00 lazyboy007: ye that's intentional
17:01 lazyboy007: I like making movement stop when the melody's absent
17:01 lazyboy007: unless I can justify a slider
17:02 _DT3: Well, if your intention was to make 00:50:225 (3) - less emphasized because the melody was absent then I think a slider fits better here to represent that absence by not making it clickable
17:03 lazyboy007: I don't like a slider in that spot because the sound in 2 is not prolonged
17:03 lazyboy007: unlike 00:51:874 (1) -
17:03 lazyboy007: where I did use a slider
17:04 _DT3: Ok, it's up to you
17:05 _DT3: But wait
17:05 _DT3: I do hear higher pitched sounds on the second note of the stacks
17:07 lazyboy007: very faint yes
17:07 _DT3: At first I wasn't sure but when I set the volume higher I could hear higher pitched sounds which carried onto the whole pwrt
17:07 lazyboy007: but it's because it's just so much weaker that I don't space it
17:07 lazyboy007: the melody is pretty much absent there
17:07 lazyboy007: it's the same pitch as 1
17:07 lazyboy007: but weaker volume
17:08 _DT3: True but then I wouldn't space it too less because you can hear it if not also faintly
17:09 _DT3: Doesn't have to be even much of a difference, it's just to bring in some movement
17:09 lazyboy007: I really like killing the momentum on that note
17:09 lazyboy007: plus it's consistent
17:09 _DT3: Ok then
17:11 _DT3: 01:02:423 (1,2,3) - This has different movement than most of the patterns like this: The other patterns have circular like flow while this has some sort of antiflow
17:11 _DT3: And that makes it a bit inconsistent
17:11 lazyboy007: ye
17:11 lazyboy007: will rotate 1 and 2 to be vertical maybe
17:11 lazyboy007: should work
17:12 lazyboy007: ye makes it better ^^
17:12 _DT3: Good ^^
17:16 _DT3: 01:13:632 (1) - Here, why use that fancy slider when you barely use it for other strong guitars?
17:16 lazyboy007: uh idk tbh
17:16 lazyboy007: should've been the same as 2
17:17 _DT3: I guess same goes for here 01:24:181 (1) -
17:17 lazyboy007: ye
17:17 lazyboy007: fixed both
17:18 _DT3: Btw, how did you achieve the 0% volume green lines?
17:18 lazyboy007: changin the .osu
17:19 lazyboy007: not sure it's allowed
17:19 lazyboy007: if any BN mentions it I'll put it back to 5
17:19 _DT3: That is unrankable, definitely
17:19 lazyboy007: ye thought so
17:19 lazyboy007: k I'm changing them all lol
17:20 lazyboy007: Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor
17:20 lazyboy007: indeed
17:23 _DT3: 01:21:544 - For this part I noticed you didn't use the 1/4 sliders like 01:16:764 (3) - anymore. Was intentional probably but could I still have an explanation? :o
17:24 lazyboy007: because intensity is higher so I wanted to increase the spacing
17:24 lazyboy007: and replace the kickslied + circle with jumps
17:24 lazyboy007: also the fact that it would've been very repetitive otherwise
17:24 _DT3: But then you could still use the kickslider
17:25 lazyboy007: limits my freedom on jumps and also makes it harder
17:25 lazyboy007: 01:22:038 (3) -
17:25 lazyboy007: this if I had as a kicklider pointing to 4
17:25 lazyboy007: it'd overlap with 1
17:25 _DT3: True
17:27 _DT3: 01:24:428 (2,3,4) - This flow is very weird imo since it is very wide in comparison to the previous patterns like 01:15:198 (2,3,1) - . Plus, it doesn't emphasize 01:24:676 (3) - as much as previously imo
17:28 lazyboy007: oh right
17:28 lazyboy007: that section is in higher angle jumps
17:28 lazyboy007: from 01:24:181 - to 01:26:159 -
17:28 lazyboy007: because of the intensity increase
17:29 lazyboy007: so to create a bit of discomfort it goes in counter-flow
17:29 lazyboy007: not much but a little
17:29 _DT3: But higher angles kinda underemphasize notes, there are other ways to create discomfort
17:30 _DT3: Like a different unexpected transition to 01:24:841 (4) - which has a sharper angle
17:31 _DT3: I mean, I like the concept of creating discomfort on higher intensity but the notes shouldn't get unemphasized like that
17:31 lazyboy007: hm
17:32 lazyboy007: move 3 to...227 44
17:32 lazyboy007: or so
17:32 _DT3: Yeah
17:33 lazyboy007: ye works better
17:33 lazyboy007: actually I'll move it to blanket with 1
17:33 _DT3: Ok sure
17:33 lazyboy007: and ctrl+g 2
17:34 _DT3: 01:28:137 (1,2) - Why suddenly this kinda antiflow here when you don't use it other times?
17:35 lazyboy007: 01:26:819 (1,2) -
17:35 lazyboy007: is the same?
17:35 lazyboy007: no?
17:35 lazyboy007: like in that higher pitch section it is all anti flow
17:35 _DT3: Well, not visually
17:35 lazyboy007: ah
17:35 _DT3: That's what I mean
17:35 lazyboy007: I can ctrl+h 1
17:35 _DT3: Yeah, would work better
17:36 lazyboy007: ^^
17:36 lazyboy007: I tend to be bad at visual stuff tbh slider design and such :p
17:37 _DT3: Well, it is fine with this song I would say
17:40 _DT3: 01:45:527 (2,3,4) - Having this rather linear transition doesn't fit in with the previous patterns imo
17:41 lazyboy007: oh and I should change 1's shape
17:41 _DT3: Ah yes
17:42 lazyboy007: imma ctrl+j 3
17:42 lazyboy007: and move the rest down
17:42 _DT3: Yep
17:44 _DT3: 02:15:280 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Ok, this hard reading was intended but it is a bad combination with antiflow imo
17:45 lazyboy007: umm
17:45 lazyboy007: that wasn't intended
17:45 lazyboy007: actually
17:45 lazyboy007: how'd that happen
17:45 _DT3: Oh
17:46 lazyboy007: cuz when I do hard reading patterns I repeat them usually
17:46 _DT3: Ah ok
17:46 lazyboy007: but
17:46 lazyboy007: 02:16:927 (6,7,8) -
17:46 lazyboy007: so that was def not intended
17:46 _DT3: Yeah
17:46 lazyboy007: moved 8 to 194 275
17:46 lazyboy007: should work better
17:48 _DT3: 02:19:894 (5) - Might wanna NC this because you did sth similar here 02:22:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - but I'm not sure
17:49 lazyboy007: oh shoot
17:49 lazyboy007: color coding on the 1/6
17:50 lazyboy007: I'll have to change all the combo colors xD
17:50 lazyboy007: nc is correct there
17:50 lazyboy007: but ye
17:50 _DT3: Oh god xD
17:50 lazyboy007: rip me
17:52 _DT3: 02:30:608 (10,1) - This transition doesn't fit here imo since 02:30:774 (1) - is rather weak so I don't think it deserves this sharp of an angle
17:52 _DT3: *weak in comparison to other doenbeats
17:52 _DT3: *downbeats
17:53 lazyboy007: agreed
17:53 lazyboy007: will flip the triplle
17:53 lazyboy007: triple
17:53 lazyboy007: 90 degree
17:55 _DT3: 02:33:741 (3,4) - I know that you wanted to represent the same sound here by stacking them but here at this point I think stopping momentum really is a bit off since nothing really stops here
17:55 _DT3: Could maybe use linear flow instead
17:56 _DT3: Like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6949879maybe
17:56 lazyboy007: moved to the left of 4
17:56 lazyboy007: oh
17:56 lazyboy007: linear
17:56 _DT3: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6949879
17:56 _DT3: Up to you if you don't want
17:56 lazyboy007: hm
17:56 lazyboy007: no I prefer the stacking
17:56 _DT3: Ok
17:57 lazyboy007: it doesn't kill much momentum since it's low intensity anyways
17:57 _DT3: Actually, maybe lowering spacing could work
17:57 _DT3: Again, up to you but I did sth like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6949885
17:58 lazyboy007: well tbh
17:58 lazyboy007: later in the song I didn't stack
17:58 lazyboy007: 04:55:829 (1,2,3,4) -
17:58 lazyboy007: :p
17:58 lazyboy007: so I'll change this one
17:58 _DT3: Oh ok
18:00 lazyboy007: I'm still changin the combo colors
18:00 lazyboy007: oh goodness
18:00 _DT3: :o
18:05 _DT3: 03:18:906 (1,2,3,4) - I am not sure about the snapping of these but might just be me
18:06 lazyboy007: hmm I checked on 25% speed
18:06 lazyboy007: pretty sure it's correct
18:06 _DT3: Ok
18:07 lazyboy007: ^^
18:07 _DT3: 03:30:774 (1,2,1) - I think these should be spaced out more because this is rather low spacing for the intensity of the song
18:07 _DT3: Or at least for 03:31:433 (1) -
18:08 lazyboy007: I like this because the drums are missing
18:08 lazyboy007: that one makes sense
18:08 lazyboy007: ye
18:10 _DT3: And we're back to the next part
18:10 _DT3: 04:07:038 (1,2) - Same about what I mentioned before
18:11 _DT3: 04:08:357 (1) - And same about this what I mentioned for the fancy sliders xd
18:11 lazyboy007: oh right
18:11 _DT3: Oh and btw
18:11 lazyboy007: yep
18:12 _DT3: 04:01:763 (1) - Not sure if you only want to do this for clickable objects but do you also want the red for the 1/6 here?
18:12 lazyboy007: oh that was only for 1/6 streams
18:12 lazyboy007: I am NOT changin everything again
18:12 lazyboy007: xD
18:12 _DT3: Ok xD
18:13 lazyboy007: I'm almost done
18:13 lazyboy007: lol
18:13 _DT3: Wooo
18:13 lazyboy007: still 10 seconds of combo colors left
18:13 lazyboy007: for one NC 15 minutes of recoloring haha
18:14 _DT3: A am getting a bit lazy so I am probably missing do much lol
18:14 lazyboy007: ah possible haha
18:14 lazyboy007: but most mods on the map don't point out many mistakes
18:14 lazyboy007: just mistakes that take 50 minutes of fixing each
18:14 lazyboy007: x)
18:14 _DT3: x)
18:15 _DT3: 04:16:269 (1,2) - Oh and same about this too x)
18:15 lazyboy007: that one's fine no?
18:16 _DT3: Still has that same different visual thing which doesn't fit in
18:16 _DT3: It's just cause you fixed the others
18:16 lazyboy007: I think it's ok
18:16 lazyboy007: maybe not perfect
18:16 lazyboy007: well I fixed the other to look like this
18:16 lazyboy007: lol
18:17 _DT3: lol
18:17 lazyboy007: others*
18:19 _DT3: Well, because of my laziness, that's it xD
18:19 _DT3: Cause I literally can't find much anymore
18:19 lazyboy007: oh ok haha
18:19 lazyboy007: well you're one of the best mods i've had tho
18:19 lazyboy007: lol
18:19 _DT3: :
18:19 _DT3: :o
18:19 lazyboy007: made me change more than anyone besides hysteria haha
18:19 _DT3: :xD
18:19 lazyboy007: hysteria's mod was the biggest
18:20 lazyboy007: yours would be second biggest
18:20 lazyboy007: well if that's all you can find ^^
18:20 lazyboy007: you can post the log on the forum
18:20 lazyboy007: I will kds you
18:20 _DT3: Oky
18:20 _DT3: Maybe just something in general, I didn't point out much of this issue, just at the start, just check that you are using the flow for some objects intentionally
18:21 _DT3: Because I noticed how much it varied
18:21 lazyboy007: tbh the start is almost 6 months old
18:21 lazyboy007: xD
18:21 _DT3: xD
18:21 lazyboy007: so ye didn't know much about flow or such back then
18:21 lazyboy007: it's suboptimal
18:22 _DT3: Oky, then posting on the forum~