What if the only problem is I can't match my hands with the beatmap speed?
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Just don't worry too much about improving as fast as you can, otherwise you will lose motivation when u hit a skill wall which will probably cause you to stagnate even more.
I mean the ranked map compared to other 4k rythm game.
I've never seen any 4k PC rythm game other than SM and osu
spamming, this game doesnt care if you spam (kinda) while you get punished very hard for spammming in lr2 and o2jam
i think
Second of all, whether you think of yourself as an advanced player or not is entirely up to you, I like to set my bar high to push myself but if you think u have good basic knowlegde at the game with decent skill than sure.
also, newer skin don't have those. they have it in the skin.ini instead.
First, in beatmaps I am good (~r90%+) I hit around the middle, in equal measure
Then, in beatmaps I am not good (below 90%), I hit more early.
Does that mean something ? Thanks
Not applicable to 4K? Seriously?
Thats true but after i start to play regulary my scores is still decreasing. Last week i played a song and get 630K but yesterday i play it again and get 519K thats so frustrating
PD: thanks to tell me this xd i feel better
sometimes you have a really really good day you get so many new Personal Bests and stuff and you cant beat your own scores for several month it happens you are still a young bird in the Mania sky just keep playing
Likely no, perhaps over-generalization of actual helpful tips. "Find what star level you're good at and expand from there" is what I was told by some friends.
Download everything. There are so many different ways that different patterns are used too. The BPM affects how a pattern plays. The transitions between 2 patterns also affect things. Diversity is always better, and the only way you get diversity is downloading everything you can.
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Your skills won't improve at the same speed, so it's common to run into problems where your speed is holding you back. When that happens, you should try to find maps that are just a little bit too fast to play properly and practice on those.
Ahh sometimes I just randomly find beatmap and I even don't know its speed xDBobbias wrote:
Your skills won't improve at the same speed, so it's common to rub into problems where your speed is holding you back. When that happens, you should try to find maps that are just a little bit too fast to play properly and practice on those.
Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.
so you need to play the same map over and over again right??Bobbias wrote:
Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.
Okay. I already repeat some beatmap and at the same time it's inspire me to get better at osu!mania, like beatmap Imprinting 4kBobbias wrote:
Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.
No, you shouldn't replay the same map over and over. Playing it a few times is ok, but if you keep playing a map over and over, you will improve your scores on ONLY that map. Even though it looks like you're getting better, you won't see nearly as much improvement on other maps.
The idea is to find as many different maps that all have the kind of patterns you need to practice.
The idea is to find as many different maps that all have the kind of patterns you need to practice.
So you mean repeating same beatmap over and over isn't helping much?Bobbias wrote:
No, you shouldn't replay the same map over and over. Playing it a few times is ok, but if you keep playing a map over and over, you will improve your scores on ONLY that map. Even though it looks like you're getting better, you won't see nearly as much improvement on other maps.
The idea is to find as many different maps that all have the kind of patterns you need to practice.
I repeat the same 150 beatmaps over and over again
Repeating a beatmap causes you to memorize the patterns in that beatmap. When you memorize the patterns, you are no longer learning how to read patterns better when you play that map. You can still get some improvement from playing it, but the improvement will not be as fast as if you didn't replay the same song a lot.
Personally, One of my areas of strength is sightreading beatmaps. When I play a beatmap, chances are I won't play the same one again for a few weeks at least, sometimes I don't replay it for a few months. There are maps I play more often than that, but even then I usually play my favorite maps less than once a week on average.
Personally, One of my areas of strength is sightreading beatmaps. When I play a beatmap, chances are I won't play the same one again for a few weeks at least, sometimes I don't replay it for a few months. There are maps I play more often than that, but even then I usually play my favorite maps less than once a week on average.
well if you play same map over and over again i think use random will help to improve
All random seems to do is reverse the notes?
Random swaps the columns around. So every note on a column will switch to a different column with random. So a pattern like 1234 might become 2134 next time you play it with random.
While i'm fine with speeding up, I tend to avoid beatmaps that slows down scroll speed, is it okay if I skip them? Is there an abundance of them in later levels?
No. Slowdowns are not that common at higher skill levels, but they are still more common than they are at low skill levels. I personally can't play maps with slowdowns at all, because I play with flashlight and have always been really bad at them even before I started using that mod. It does mean there are a few maps I can't play without nofail, but it doesn't bother me too much. If I really enjoy a map, I will sometimes make an edited copy with the slowdown removed.
DJ Profetti
for slowdowns i usually play the song a few times listen closely to the music, and than i play slow parts "just" by listening to the music feel the rhythm and play what i see cant really describe but it helps me allot to know the song
Thanks for the guide.
I'm really a noob before I see your guide. and now.. I can messed up
with 3~4* in mania. I'm looking to play with you someday.
I'm really a noob before I see your guide. and now.. I can messed up
with 3~4* in mania. I'm looking to play with you someday.
Everyone learns at a different speed, so yes that's pretty normal. If you were Sing things like empress SHD after 3 months, that would be extremely fast.
If you're hitting the wrong key, you're not actually reading it correctly. When I watch staiain play, I can 'read' the patterns he's playing. That is, I can understand what the patterns are when I watch him play, but if you asked me to play with that scroll speed, I would not be able to react fast enough to play even easy maps because I can't actually read the patterns.
When you press the wrong key, this happens when your brain cannot read the notes fast enough to actually figure out the correct finger to press. Instead, your brain just picks a finger and hopes it gets it right.
Of course, your brain can still make these mistakes once in a while even when you're perfectly capable of reading a pattern, but these usually result in a single missed note or 2 through an entire song.
Reading is something that you develop over time. As far as I can tell, the best way to train your ability to read is to avoid playing the same songs over again as much as possible. Learning to sightread beatmaps (in other words, learning to play completely new maps you've never seen before) will help develop reading skill faster than if you played the same few maps over and over.
3 months is still quite new to the game, so don't worry too much about it, you will keep getting better for a while no matter what you do.
When you press the wrong key, this happens when your brain cannot read the notes fast enough to actually figure out the correct finger to press. Instead, your brain just picks a finger and hopes it gets it right.
Of course, your brain can still make these mistakes once in a while even when you're perfectly capable of reading a pattern, but these usually result in a single missed note or 2 through an entire song.
Reading is something that you develop over time. As far as I can tell, the best way to train your ability to read is to avoid playing the same songs over again as much as possible. Learning to sightread beatmaps (in other words, learning to play completely new maps you've never seen before) will help develop reading skill faster than if you played the same few maps over and over.
3 months is still quite new to the game, so don't worry too much about it, you will keep getting better for a while no matter what you do.
Yea just play alot, you will get the hang of patterns the more you play which allow you to play harder maps using the same patterns but faster or slightly more complex. It's important that you 'master' your appropriate skill level before jumping to a harder diff and never looking back at easier charts.ooux wrote:
Many thanks , i suppose i just have to practice more and more . Just by the way already did A ond the Team Grimoire - C18H27NO3 and after one week of relax i can play bit harder maps .
Just don't worry too much about improving as fast as you can, otherwise you will lose motivation when u hit a skill wall which will probably cause you to stagnate even more.
It is, but you also need to be sure that you fall into the trap of focusing on accuracy over everything else. Too much focus on perfecting scores on easy maps ends up making improvement extremely slow. The key is to find a balance of pushing your skill and improving your fundamentals.Yetified wrote:
It's important that you 'master' your appropriate skill level before jumping to a harder diff and never looking back at easier charts.
Hi personaly i never focused on Accuracy oWo maybe it is just a bad habbit from o2Jam but i dont realy care about my ACC.
Maps i mostly Play when im warm looks like this afeter 2years of playing arround 5* in 7k
https://puu.sh/rx9Td/84a63a2931.jpg
some 6* like the ranked dreadnout are also possible got an A there!
What i experienced over my 2years is ACC in tearms of hitting Things will come by it self to a certain Point like here:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6354810
https://puu.sh/ruc3q/dc6baa2121.jpg
But my Ratio is almost in every map range 50%/50% on easy maps 30%/70% i think if you want to improve Ratio it is importand to Focus on it!
For me, i want to get in the lvl 70-80 range in o2jam as fast as possible at least for me besides work and stuff. Once iam there i just stay until i get a good Ratio or maybe i can get it on the way because i like so many Song in this lvl range and i also like the maping style Noodles every where.
I hope it was understandable sorry for my poor englisch.
Maps i mostly Play when im warm looks like this afeter 2years of playing arround 5* in 7k
https://puu.sh/rx9Td/84a63a2931.jpg
some 6* like the ranked dreadnout are also possible got an A there!
What i experienced over my 2years is ACC in tearms of hitting Things will come by it self to a certain Point like here:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6354810
https://puu.sh/ruc3q/dc6baa2121.jpg
But my Ratio is almost in every map range 50%/50% on easy maps 30%/70% i think if you want to improve Ratio it is importand to Focus on it!
For me, i want to get in the lvl 70-80 range in o2jam as fast as possible at least for me besides work and stuff. Once iam there i just stay until i get a good Ratio or maybe i can get it on the way because i like so many Song in this lvl range and i also like the maping style Noodles every where.
I hope it was understandable sorry for my poor englisch.
Hey ReTLoM. I don't focus on acc either. I found out with an experiment years ago that when I do, I very quickly lose the ability to play anything hard, and the improvement to accuracy is way too slow compared to the speed that I lose my ability to play hard things which makes it completely useless for me.
Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>
Does anyone have a pack or list of LN heavy maps for 4 and 7k? Preferably around the 2.5-3* range. I'm trying hard to get better at them but while I'm improving at other things whenever a map starts throwing them at me my acc goes out the window and it's frustrating
easy or hard depends on the map, not the game.genkicho wrote:
Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>
Yea i know :/Eraser wrote:
easy or hard depends on the map, not the game.genkicho wrote:
Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>
I mean the ranked map compared to other 4k rythm game.
I've never seen any 4k PC rythm game other than SM and osu
If you want "ranked" hard maps, try private servers. Unranked maps give pp there.
For 4k games, i don't know, haven't seen many too... The ones I know are O2Jam U and SDVX. Though sdvx isn't actually 4k.
For 4k games, i don't know, haven't seen many too... The ones I know are O2Jam U and SDVX. Though sdvx isn't actually 4k.
Try this thread. t/191952boh123321 wrote:
Does anyone have a pack or list of LN heavy maps for 4 and 7k? Preferably around the 2.5-3* range. I'm trying hard to get better at them but while I'm improving at other things whenever a map starts throwing them at me my acc goes out the window and it's frustrating
This is not the first time I read something like this, but every time it comes up nobody explains what these "bad habits" actually are. Can someone elaborate on this?Drace wrote:
For starters, I really recommend playing other games like lr2 or o2jam because this game tends to enforce bad habits with it's mechanics that mostly impedes your progress.
Skelif wrote:
This is not the first time I read something like this, but every time it comes up nobody explains what these "bad habits" actually are. Can someone elaborate on this?Drace wrote:
For starters, I really recommend playing other games like lr2 or o2jam because this game tends to enforce bad habits with it's mechanics that mostly impedes your progress.
spamming, this game doesnt care if you spam (kinda) while you get punished very hard for spammming in lr2 and o2jam
i think
LR2 and O2Jam operate very differently. In LR2, there is the Poor Judgement, which I believe is triggered when you press WAY too early. IIRC Poors reduce your life like a miss would, making spamming through difficult sections essentially impossible since you'd end up killing yourself by pressing keys that have notes coming up soon. In LR2, I believe LNs work similarly to stepmania (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I think they require you to press in the beginning, but do not require lifting right at the end of the LN. I have no idea how releasing early works, or if repressing does anything in LR2, so someone who actually knows about LR2 will have to cover that.
In O2Jam, you can actually spam notes pretty well. The judgement windows are very lenient, so BMS style patterning (patterns with lots of notes, but not LNs) is pretty easy to spam. On the other hand, LNs in O2Jam are much harder than LR2 or o!m. Even though the timing windows are easier, in O2, you can't repress an LN. If you make any mistake on an LN it counts a miss immediately. On top of that, you are required to press the LN at the beginning, and release at the end, like in o!m, but with much stricter health when it comes to LNs. Missing hurts a lot, and holding LNs does not increase your health over time like in o!m. LN mechanics and the fact that starting around level 30, most charts have a fair bit of LNs, mean that anything with LNs requires you to play the LNs legit (IE not spam).
In short, both games have some element of the mechanic that makes it harder to spam through their charts, neither of which are present in osu!mania.
In O2Jam, you can actually spam notes pretty well. The judgement windows are very lenient, so BMS style patterning (patterns with lots of notes, but not LNs) is pretty easy to spam. On the other hand, LNs in O2Jam are much harder than LR2 or o!m. Even though the timing windows are easier, in O2, you can't repress an LN. If you make any mistake on an LN it counts a miss immediately. On top of that, you are required to press the LN at the beginning, and release at the end, like in o!m, but with much stricter health when it comes to LNs. Missing hurts a lot, and holding LNs does not increase your health over time like in o!m. LN mechanics and the fact that starting around level 30, most charts have a fair bit of LNs, mean that anything with LNs requires you to play the LNs legit (IE not spam).
In short, both games have some element of the mechanic that makes it harder to spam through their charts, neither of which are present in osu!mania.
In LR2, you are judged for timing the press as well as the release. You are judged once, I suppose based on a combination of your press/release timing. If you press too late or release too early, the LN is missed. Missed LNs cannot be repressed.Bobbias wrote:
In LR2, I believe LNs work similarly to stepmania (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I think they require you to press in the beginning, but do not require lifting right at the end of the LN. I have no idea how releasing early works, or if repressing does anything in LR2, so someone who actually knows about LR2 will have to cover that.
I don't know too much about O2Jam, but I'm pretty sure LNs are equally hard in both games when ignoring timing windows. I'm also pretty sure LR2's timing windows for LNs are slightly harder, maybe depending on the song's timing difficulty.Bobbias wrote:
On the other hand, LNs in O2Jam are much harder than LR2 or o!m
no LNs in o2jam are WAY harder
on HX you die within 34 misses even less with bads they remove more life than a miss and recover from almost ded to full life in like 1.5k combo around 50 combo for each miss depends on your cool rate. if you miss the starting point of a LN you receive 2 misses or you SPAM it you will get 1 bad 1 miss and die very very quickly in lr2 and osu you can pretty much spam you way thru a LN wall
on HX you die within 34 misses even less with bads they remove more life than a miss and recover from almost ded to full life in like 1.5k combo around 50 combo for each miss depends on your cool rate. if you miss the starting point of a LN you receive 2 misses or you SPAM it you will get 1 bad 1 miss and die very very quickly in lr2 and osu you can pretty much spam you way thru a LN wall
can I ask here?
how to read hard pattern (*4 or more) on 4k mode?
can you suggest me how to impruv that?
how to read hard pattern (*4 or more) on 4k mode?
can you suggest me how to impruv that?
What makes a player an advanced player?
I've been playing for about 1 year, and I can almost clear 7k 2nd dan on Osu!(95.2%), while clearing the 8th easy dan on LR2
I can do the 3rd dan of 4k in Osu!, and got 6 dan in the 4k LN dan in Osu!
I can play the patterns (somewhat) in the pattern list in the advanced category
But OFC I still cant do any ET maps except when half timed and/or with easy
SO does that make be an advanced player?
I've been playing for about 1 year, and I can almost clear 7k 2nd dan on Osu!(95.2%), while clearing the 8th easy dan on LR2
I can do the 3rd dan of 4k in Osu!, and got 6 dan in the 4k LN dan in Osu!
I can play the patterns (somewhat) in the pattern list in the advanced category
But OFC I still cant do any ET maps except when half timed and/or with easy
SO does that make be an advanced player?
Well first off all 'advanced player' is just some random bullshit title the author used to describe a category of players, it doesn't really have clear outlines.dennischan wrote:
What makes a player an advanced player?
I've been playing for about 1 year, and I can almost clear 7k 2nd dan on Osu!(95.2%), while clearing the 8th easy dan on LR2
I can do the 3rd dan of 4k in Osu!, and got 6 dan in the 4k LN dan in Osu!
I can play the patterns (somewhat) in the pattern list in the advanced category
But OFC I still cant do any ET maps except when half timed and/or with easy
SO does that make be an advanced player?
Second of all, whether you think of yourself as an advanced player or not is entirely up to you, I like to set my bar high to push myself but if you think u have good basic knowlegde at the game with decent skill than sure.
Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know the specifics, but I knew that LNs were brutal because every time I go back and try to play O2 I think "wtf, how do you lose so much HP on a single LN".ReTLoM wrote:
no LNs in o2jam are WAY harder
on HX you die within 34 misses even less with bads they remove more life than a miss and recover from almost ded to full life in like 1.5k combo around 50 combo for each miss depends on your cool rate. if you miss the starting point of a LN you receive 2 misses or you SPAM it you will get 1 bad 1 miss and die very very quickly in lr2 and osu you can pretty much spam you way thru a LN wall
I think Jhlee0133 qualifies as ET LN player
Just look at this :
Just look at this :
what does it mean by
does this mean I have to go into each separate .ini in my skins folder for the skin I use?. does that mean I have to keep redoing this on 5k and 6k.. ect.
Go in your xK.ini
does this mean I have to go into each separate .ini in my skins folder for the skin I use?. does that mean I have to keep redoing this on 5k and 6k.. ect.
just the key you want to change.Space-Dandy wrote:
what does it mean byGo in your xK.ini
does this mean I have to go into each separate .ini in my skins folder for the skin I use?. does that mean I have to keep redoing this on 5k and 6k.. ect.
also, newer skin don't have those. they have it in the skin.ini instead.
Okay now , ET is a not good solution to gain more pp , it's making developer sad and unhappy
I know what is my problem... I can't focus on the screen and on the keyboard at the same time. It's an irony that i can full combo on other rhythm game's HARDEST DIFFICULTY (like llsif) and i can't even play an easy 4k on osu!mania 
3 notes at the same time
This guide seems fairly interesting, however I'd like to give my insight on improving as an osu!mania player.
osu!mania is not an easy gamemode. In fact I'd argue it's got a pretty challenging learning curve, however this learning curve can easily be slimmed given how you practice. Mania has a lot of techniques, such as LNs, SVs, Jacks, streams, and more. Your goal as a mania player is to improve each of these skills over time. The good thing about the community is that they make a lot of practice maps so you can easily get specific practice in whenever you want!
An example of this would be my Galaxy Collapse pass. I couldn't hit the speedjacks to save me life, so I remembered my friend gave me a vibro practice map he made. I played it for a day or two before trying Galaxy Collapse again and I noticed significant improvement to my play!
I ended up passing it.
Also note one important thing: Always push yourself! If you think a play is just out of your reach, keep going for it until you succeed. I do that and it never fails.
One of the most important things to understand
Do NOT get into the habit of pausing! Always play stamina draining maps and do not pause during them. Pausing constantly reduces your stamina and your consistency! It's the worst habit you could get into
osu!mania is not an easy gamemode. In fact I'd argue it's got a pretty challenging learning curve, however this learning curve can easily be slimmed given how you practice. Mania has a lot of techniques, such as LNs, SVs, Jacks, streams, and more. Your goal as a mania player is to improve each of these skills over time. The good thing about the community is that they make a lot of practice maps so you can easily get specific practice in whenever you want!
An example of this would be my Galaxy Collapse pass. I couldn't hit the speedjacks to save me life, so I remembered my friend gave me a vibro practice map he made. I played it for a day or two before trying Galaxy Collapse again and I noticed significant improvement to my play!
I ended up passing it.
Also note one important thing: Always push yourself! If you think a play is just out of your reach, keep going for it until you succeed. I do that and it never fails.
One of the most important things to understand
Do NOT get into the habit of pausing! Always play stamina draining maps and do not pause during them. Pausing constantly reduces your stamina and your consistency! It's the worst habit you could get into
i hope they make the score unranked as soon you press ESC
Hello ! First of all thanks a lot for your guide. I am a beginner and I want to improve at Osu!mania.
I play beatmap around from 2 to 3 stars, (4K) and 1 to 1.5 stars in 6K and 7K and I noticed few things :
I managed to end songs without any miss and still got something around 80% in my score. I guess it's because I don't hit the note perfectly, but I don't really know how to improve.
I got something like ~-25ms; + 30ms every time, sometimes it's -25+40 sometimes it's -50;+30 but the average is around ~-25ms ; +30ms.
I think I have to check my 4k.ini and do something with my HitPosition but I don"t really understand what to do.
Thanks
I play beatmap around from 2 to 3 stars, (4K) and 1 to 1.5 stars in 6K and 7K and I noticed few things :
I managed to end songs without any miss and still got something around 80% in my score. I guess it's because I don't hit the note perfectly, but I don't really know how to improve.
I got something like ~-25ms; + 30ms every time, sometimes it's -25+40 sometimes it's -50;+30 but the average is around ~-25ms ; +30ms.
I think I have to check my 4k.ini and do something with my HitPosition but I don"t really understand what to do.
Thanks
In your options make sure you have your “score meter” setting set to “hit Accuracy”, then watch through some of your replays. Look at the bar at the bottom center. If you are hitting early it’ll be the left of center while if your hitting late it’ll be to the right of center.
Ok I did that, and notice two different things :Edgar_Figaro wrote:
In your options make sure you have your “score meter” setting set to “hit Accuracy”, then watch through some of your replays. Look at the bar at the bottom center. If you are hitting early it’ll be the left of center while if your hitting late it’ll be to the right of center.
First, in beatmaps I am good (~r90%+) I hit around the middle, in equal measure
Then, in beatmaps I am not good (below 90%), I hit more early.
Does that mean something ? Thanks
It’s usually quite common for more challenging maps for a person to rush or hit late patterns they aren’t comfortable with. If on easier maps you are right on average then you don’t need to adjust your offset. For harder songs since you are hitting early try relaxing more. Often hitting early means you are too tense.
Hitting late can also be a sign you are struggling to read a pattern fast enough. Even if you think you're reading it properly if it's just a bit too fast you can end up hitting a few ms late and losing acc from it.
Hey there ! It's me again ! So I am only playing in 7K right now, manage to reach some songs around 2 stars. Which is nice ! (I guess ?)
But I am stuck with something from the very beginning : Every time I have to hit combinaison of Green/Blue or Blue/Green I mess up quite every time.
Two greens are ok and 2 blues too, but something like _ B _ _ G _ _ or _ _ G _ _ B _ ... damn.
I am doing less mistakes now, but still. it's bother me because I feel like I won't improve until I remove completely this bad habit.
Do I have to play easy map until I get rid of this or should I keep trying 2+ stars and it will disappear one day ?
Thanks ~
But I am stuck with something from the very beginning : Every time I have to hit combinaison of Green/Blue or Blue/Green I mess up quite every time.
Two greens are ok and 2 blues too, but something like _ B _ _ G _ _ or _ _ G _ _ B _ ... damn.
I am doing less mistakes now, but still. it's bother me because I feel like I won't improve until I remove completely this bad habit.
Do I have to play easy map until I get rid of this or should I keep trying 2+ stars and it will disappear one day ?
Thanks ~
The color of the notes is different for different skins, so just calling them by colors is a bad idea. Instead you should refer to them by the number of the column they're no. in 7k it would be 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 with 4 being the middle key (usually space bar). When I write down patterns, if the patterns are just single notes, I write them like 2461357 with 1 number for each note. This pattern would be the left hand middle key, then the middle key/space bar, then the right hand middle key, then left hand first key, third key, left hand first key, then third key. If the pattern is chords (multiple notes at once) I write them like this: 246/1357. The slash separates chords.
The patterns you showed there would be 25 and 36.
You're still in the early stage of learning to play mania. This means you haven't learned how the play those chords yet. I'd suggest actually focusing on playing maps that have those chords more often. I don't mean grinding plays on them, just forcing yourself to play them a bit more often than you do right now. Eventually your brain will figure out how to hit them and you can move on to other patterns you have trouble with.
Since mania requires a few different kinds of skills, one of those skills is the ability to recognize a pattern and hit it correctly. In the beginning, simple patterns like this will cause you trouble. Once you get better, you might be able to hit those chords properly, but if they have a few of those in a row, you might still have trouble hitting them. In this stage of learning the thing you want to do is find as many of those tricky chords or patterns and practice them. Eventually you'll notice that there aren't very many kinds of patterns you have trouble with, but the ones you do find hard will be very hard to learn. That's when you know you've got past the early stages of learning and now you're at the point where most of the basic skills are developed.
The thing about mania is that your learning is never over. There will always be something you can't play.
The patterns you showed there would be 25 and 36.
You're still in the early stage of learning to play mania. This means you haven't learned how the play those chords yet. I'd suggest actually focusing on playing maps that have those chords more often. I don't mean grinding plays on them, just forcing yourself to play them a bit more often than you do right now. Eventually your brain will figure out how to hit them and you can move on to other patterns you have trouble with.
Since mania requires a few different kinds of skills, one of those skills is the ability to recognize a pattern and hit it correctly. In the beginning, simple patterns like this will cause you trouble. Once you get better, you might be able to hit those chords properly, but if they have a few of those in a row, you might still have trouble hitting them. In this stage of learning the thing you want to do is find as many of those tricky chords or patterns and practice them. Eventually you'll notice that there aren't very many kinds of patterns you have trouble with, but the ones you do find hard will be very hard to learn. That's when you know you've got past the early stages of learning and now you're at the point where most of the basic skills are developed.
The thing about mania is that your learning is never over. There will always be something you can't play.
Alright thanks, that is quite interesting ! Do you think I should find a skin with different colors for every different fingers regardless the hand ?
Like Blue for left/right hand first key, green for left/right hand middle key and, red for left/right hand third key with extra yellow for space bar ?
It seems a bad idea because I would get in trouble if I want to switch mode like 7K -> 6K or other things no ?
For now I am trying to finish song first, then, after a week, I play again my very first songs, trying to raise the note. Like D -> C , or B -> A
So far I managed to improve almost every songs I played, maybe it's something like 81% -> 83% but still. I think that shows I am improving and "hard" setup I used to have on early songs are now readable and doable almost perfectly (with a big emphasis on ALMOST ).
So I should keep going reaching higher songs until I hit a wall (I mean not be able to pass a song even with multiple tries) ?
I know I am still in the early stage of learning, but I want to be sure that I am not having bad habit by doing this or this. That's why I am asking a lot of questions and I will continue
(or maybe should I make a new topic ? I feel like my questions could help other too so)
Anyway. Thanks a lot a again !
Like Blue for left/right hand first key, green for left/right hand middle key and, red for left/right hand third key with extra yellow for space bar ?
It seems a bad idea because I would get in trouble if I want to switch mode like 7K -> 6K or other things no ?
For now I am trying to finish song first, then, after a week, I play again my very first songs, trying to raise the note. Like D -> C , or B -> A
So far I managed to improve almost every songs I played, maybe it's something like 81% -> 83% but still. I think that shows I am improving and "hard" setup I used to have on early songs are now readable and doable almost perfectly (with a big emphasis on ALMOST
).So I should keep going reaching higher songs until I hit a wall (I mean not be able to pass a song even with multiple tries) ?
I know I am still in the early stage of learning, but I want to be sure that I am not having bad habit by doing this or this. That's why I am asking a lot of questions and I will continue
(or maybe should I make a new topic ? I feel like my questions could help other too so)Anyway. Thanks a lot a again !
Skins are basically just personal preference. Some people can read skins where the notes are all the same color, some people need the notes to be different colors. Some players can read arrows best, some prefer circles, and others prefer bars. I personally use an old o2jam skin where the columns are "white, blue, white, yellow, white, blue, white" with very small columns.
I think the way you practice depends on what you want to be good at, at least to some degree. If you're a player who likes to be able to get SS on easy maps, but doesn't care about playing harder stuff, you would probably want to just keep playing the same difficulty of stuff over and over again. But if you want to get better at harder maps, then the key is to keep trying to push your skill level up by playing stuff that's outside your comfort level.
I enjoy playing hard stuff, so I actually practice on some songs that I need nofail for. I also play a wide range of difficulty. Sometimes I play stuff I can get 97-98% on, sometimes I play stuff I can barely pass (usually if I can barely pass it I get somewhere in the 80% range, depending on the hp drain and whether there's a hard difficulty spike in the map).
Some people argue that playing stuff you can't get at least around an A is bad because it means you're "mashing" to get through the song, but I feel like that depends on whether you're a very accurate player or not. I'm not an accurate player, so even getting above 97% on easy maps is hard for me, and my accuracy really gets bad when something is actually hard. I don't focus too much on getting a specific score or accuracy on what I play. I just focus on trying to beat my top score the next time I play it.
I don't replay maps very often either. I personally feel like by playing a very wide range of different kinds of maps and learning to get good at sightreading patterns is better than relying on memorizing songs and replaying the same map over and over to try to get a good score on it.
I think the way you practice depends on what you want to be good at, at least to some degree. If you're a player who likes to be able to get SS on easy maps, but doesn't care about playing harder stuff, you would probably want to just keep playing the same difficulty of stuff over and over again. But if you want to get better at harder maps, then the key is to keep trying to push your skill level up by playing stuff that's outside your comfort level.
I enjoy playing hard stuff, so I actually practice on some songs that I need nofail for. I also play a wide range of difficulty. Sometimes I play stuff I can get 97-98% on, sometimes I play stuff I can barely pass (usually if I can barely pass it I get somewhere in the 80% range, depending on the hp drain and whether there's a hard difficulty spike in the map).
Some people argue that playing stuff you can't get at least around an A is bad because it means you're "mashing" to get through the song, but I feel like that depends on whether you're a very accurate player or not. I'm not an accurate player, so even getting above 97% on easy maps is hard for me, and my accuracy really gets bad when something is actually hard. I don't focus too much on getting a specific score or accuracy on what I play. I just focus on trying to beat my top score the next time I play it.
I don't replay maps very often either. I personally feel like by playing a very wide range of different kinds of maps and learning to get good at sightreading patterns is better than relying on memorizing songs and replaying the same map over and over to try to get a good score on it.
Ok so for now I will stick with the regular skin. I want to improve both in being able to reach SS in songs and beating harder maps so I will take my time Slowly.
For now, I manage to reach around 80%-ish in kinda every song I try, even when I try to beat harder ones. The only "bad" ranks I get are from songs with specific pattern I can't read .. or slow songs. I downloaded a lot of packs and I just playing every song from 1 star to higher one. Just marking "cool" songs and nice music in a specific folder, but I nearly don't replay songs in the very first time. I play them one week later, trying to improve score and accuracy, and so I can notice if I am improving little by little or not. I am aware that I will hit a wall somehow, and I will need to start practicing if I want to reach a specific spot.
But for now, it's play whatever I have on my list until I get smacked by a song, tryhard a bit, then if I fail I try next one or I replay older ones.
For now, I manage to reach around 80%-ish in kinda every song I try, even when I try to beat harder ones. The only "bad" ranks I get are from songs with specific pattern I can't read .. or slow songs. I downloaded a lot of packs and I just playing every song from 1 star to higher one. Just marking "cool" songs and nice music in a specific folder, but I nearly don't replay songs in the very first time. I play them one week later, trying to improve score and accuracy, and so I can notice if I am improving little by little or not. I am aware that I will hit a wall somehow, and I will need to start practicing if I want to reach a specific spot.
But for now, it's play whatever I have on my list until I get smacked by a song, tryhard a bit, then if I fail I try next one or I replay older ones.
Drace wrote:
Ladders or Trilling stairs
(not applicable to to 4k)
1/4 beats an up
Not applicable to 4K? Seriously?
Good luck convincing drace to log back in and edit the post...
Hi there, i have been playing osumania like 4 months, i play both 4k and 7k. Well, in 4k im getting better and better but in 7k i cant improve 
I was playing songs that 2 month ago i get a S and now only I gets like 92% I don´t know what happens to me... need help.
And also when i play 7k i have 2 big problems:
-I can´t play maps with a lot of LNs
-Sometimes my fingers don´t react to the notes .Im maps that are moreless easy for me, i can perfectly read all the notes but some times my fingers don´t react specialy the one in the keys S and L (i use SDF space JKL)
Thanks for read this and sorry for bad english hope someone can help me
I was playing songs that 2 month ago i get a S and now only I gets like 92% I don´t know what happens to me... need help.And also when i play 7k i have 2 big problems:
-I can´t play maps with a lot of LNs
-Sometimes my fingers don´t react to the notes .Im maps that are moreless easy for me, i can perfectly read all the notes but some times my fingers don´t react specialy the one in the keys S and L (i use SDF space JKL)
Thanks for read this and sorry for bad english hope someone can help me
after a 2 month brake from 7k in the early days (you play 4 month) its normal to deprove fast if you dont use it think about it like this
you learn something in school a few weeks write a test and than you never use it will you still remember after 4 month ? most likely not 95% of it only 90%. But if you learn it and use every day a bit of it you will still remember a lot of it since it is present for you every day. there is no secret it is just play regular both mods if you want to get good in both of them.
you learn something in school a few weeks write a test and than you never use it will you still remember after 4 month ? most likely not 95% of it only 90%
. But if you learn it and use every day a bit of it you will still remember a lot of it since it is present for you every day. there is no secret it is just play regular both mods if you want to get good in both of them.ReTLoM wrote:
after a 2 month brake from 7k in the early days (you play 4 month) its normal to deprove fast if you dont use it think about it like this
you learn something in school a few weeks write a test and than you never use it will you still remember after 4 month ? most likely not 95% of it only 90%
Thats true but after i start to play regulary my scores is still decreasing. Last week i played a song and get 630K but yesterday i play it again and get 519K thats so frustrating
PD: thanks to tell me this xd i feel better
sometimes you have a really really good day you get so many new Personal Bests and stuff and you cant beat your own scores for several month it happens you are still a young bird in the Mania sky just keep playingRetlom is 100%correct. Some days will be better than others. Some players have really big day to day score differences. I have scores over a year old I cant beat.
Oh ReTLoM so poetic jajaja. Well i think im just was getting some bad, days thanks for the help. I will keep playing mania , im really enjoying this game and i hope some day can become good as you guys are
Hey.
I recently changed my keybindings to a new setup that feels more natural and comfortable. Since I've played with my old setup since I started osu!mania my accuracy isn't really the greatest with the new setup, which makes me question whether I should keep on playing with my new one or revert back to the old one.
My question is, how long do you guys think I should try the new settings before determining whether I should keep them or not? I know this would be different from person to person but maybe someone has any experience of this and could give me a hint of how long it would take.
Thanks.
I recently changed my keybindings to a new setup that feels more natural and comfortable. Since I've played with my old setup since I started osu!mania my accuracy isn't really the greatest with the new setup, which makes me question whether I should keep on playing with my new one or revert back to the old one.
My question is, how long do you guys think I should try the new settings before determining whether I should keep them or not? I know this would be different from person to person but maybe someone has any experience of this and could give me a hint of how long it would take.
Thanks.
I'd say it also depends on how much you play. For me, I'd give it a week of playing every day, or longer if you play less than every day. If you start to see some improvement in that week, definitely keep with it, and even if you don't, I'd suggest maybe sticking with it a bit longer. Usually what feels more comfortable ends up being a better layout.
I wish I could remember how long it took me to see noticeable changes when I switched to my current layout.
I wish I could remember how long it took me to see noticeable changes when I switched to my current layout.
Thanks for answering. I'll keep at it with these settings for a while then.
wow.
i was really getting nowhere, stuck in <2.5* where i was still pretty bad. i just tried looking at the middle of the screen for once after reading this and instantly, while i was doing rather bad today, got from my previous best 90% with lots of tries to 98% acc. it's pure wizardry!
thonks <3
Adjust your speed and where you look: If you're playing while looking at the bottom of the screen, then your scroll speed isn't fast enough. Adjust it until you're looking somewhere around the middle area of the board. You want it to be as fast as you can while still playing good since it spreads out the notes and facilitates the reading. If you're not used to playing while looking in the middle, try a couple easier maps with flashlight on. Now, don't expect to do good, it's just to give an "average feel" of what a good speed and concentration area is. Looking at the center of the playing field with an appropriate speed is crucial to properly read harder patterns.i'm not gonna lie. this must be the single best tip i ever received in osu!
i was really getting nowhere, stuck in <2.5* where i was still pretty bad. i just tried looking at the middle of the screen for once after reading this and instantly, while i was doing rather bad today, got from my previous best 90% with lots of tries to 98% acc. it's pure wizardry!
thonks <3
lifehack: don't look at any particular area of the playfield, look at every pattern you see, you should move your eyes from up to down every time you see some piece of pattern (or reverse, if you play with ddr style).
^LoL
works until you have 10 lines full of pattern when you follow #1 you need to move up with your eyes BAM after moving 1mm up a wild note/pattern suddenly appear and you have no space to follow it to your hit line "OHHHH BOI 0.0001second reaction time inc"!!
If you follow them you will get serious reading problems in higher/denser charts every time you go up with you eyes your scroll speed is basically quadrippelt depend how fast you go up and you have a high chance to Drop/dont see notes while you move your eyes up in dense pattern!!
Example:
you know that news shows with moving txt in the bottom when you stare some where in the middle at it you can read it fine but if you focus EVERY word/letter and follow it until it starts to disappear and start to follow the txt against its moving direction to find the new word/letter you will have a way harder time to read it even when it is slow
i bet you don't really follow it by your self. Its just in your mind you have a view field somewhere in the middle where you follow the notes about 1cm up and down with your eyes but the rest is only by reflex sure you still see notes at the bottom/top on the edge of your focus field of view and react to it by muscle memory like all of us do but following notes is a bad advise in general for newbies i think! because it is not a real following its more a type of muscle memory/reflex you build up by time
works until you have 10 lines full of pattern when you follow #1 you need to move up with your eyes BAM after moving 1mm up a wild note/pattern suddenly appear and you have no space to follow it to your hit line "OHHHH BOI 0.0001second reaction time inc"!!
If you follow them you will get serious reading problems in higher/denser charts every time you go up with you eyes your scroll speed is basically quadrippelt depend how fast you go up and you have a high chance to Drop/dont see notes while you move your eyes up in dense pattern!!
Example:
you know that news shows with moving txt in the bottom when you stare some where in the middle at it you can read it fine but if you focus EVERY word/letter and follow it until it starts to disappear and start to follow the txt against its moving direction to find the new word/letter you will have a way harder time to read it even when it is slow
i bet you don't really follow it by your self. Its just in your mind you have a view field somewhere in the middle where you follow the notes about 1cm up and down with your eyes but the rest is only by reflex sure you still see notes at the bottom/top on the edge of your focus field of view and react to it by muscle memory like all of us do but following notes is a bad advise in general for newbies i think! because it is not a real following its more a type of muscle memory/reflex you build up by time
Following notes is bad. I have never seen a good player advise anyone to do anything but pick a spot near the middle and focus on that spot only. Following notes down the screen means you dont see whats after them, meaning the time to read that first pattern has cut into the time you need to read the next one. Following notes is either a bad habit, or a sign that you are struggling to read those patterns and are compensating by trying to give yourself more time to read it.
tip: if you have trouble keeping your eyes in one spot, adjust your combo position to be in the spot you want to look at. It will act as makeshift reading aid.
About following notes: it works sometimes in vertical reading, for example if you have a very long anchor, trill or inverted pattern layered with something different (think Agony 7k lvl 44 in 7th LN dan). This way you can identify and "shut out" the pattern that only requires you to stay in tempo and focus on the other one.
Playing SV charts helps with that kind of reading. A lot.
About following notes: it works sometimes in vertical reading, for example if you have a very long anchor, trill or inverted pattern layered with something different (think Agony 7k lvl 44 in 7th LN dan). This way you can identify and "shut out" the pattern that only requires you to stay in tempo and focus on the other one.
Playing SV charts helps with that kind of reading. A lot.
22 hours of playtime, 1k pp, rank 45k. Is that on par for average?
Thanks, this thread is very helpful 😆
Really helpful thread but it's been 5 years and we need a new one that actually applies to today's beatmaps patterns.
And the way you point out the difference between novice and advanced players doesn't make any sense and its way too steep. I've seen people get to ET level in just a year, and some people such as myself will get easily to 5k ranking in just a year, which is an advanced player according to your thread. You generalize the speed of learning of a player too much and too slow which is not right because this thread is suppose to apply to every player individually and not a crowd of players.
And the way you point out the difference between novice and advanced players doesn't make any sense and its way too steep. I've seen people get to ET level in just a year, and some people such as myself will get easily to 5k ranking in just a year, which is an advanced player according to your thread. You generalize the speed of learning of a player too much and too slow which is not right because this thread is suppose to apply to every player individually and not a crowd of players.
1) Find a good skin for you understand the notes. Where ? Watch youtube, search google or use skin top player .
2) Set your keybind . Test it for yourself.
3) Recommend to uncheck scale things & remember ... thingy in general settings . Up to you actually
4) Adjust the speed. Find your suitable speed. 25-30 maybe ? Experiment it out !
5) Then, set times to play. 1 day - 4 hour ? Play more is really wide sentences but, you really need to play it more . Because ? Your eye & brain need to understand the notes very well ><
That's all from me!
Good luck ^^
2) Set your keybind . Test it for yourself.
3) Recommend to uncheck scale things & remember ... thingy in general settings . Up to you actually
4) Adjust the speed. Find your suitable speed. 25-30 maybe ? Experiment it out !
5) Then, set times to play. 1 day - 4 hour ? Play more is really wide sentences but, you really need to play it more . Because ? Your eye & brain need to understand the notes very well ><
That's all from me!
Good luck ^^
The funny thing is, that is exactly what I have been doing since I started playing mania and now I can do 4 stars in 4k, but I've been focusing on 4k the most so I can only do 2 stars in 7k and 3 stars in 5k.
I use an arrow skin but deleted the arrows because it is a lot easier to read because the notes are larger.
I'm also getting a mechanical keyboard to press notes a whole lot easier than my laptop keyboard.
I've only been playing mania for a month and I'm still gaining much skill by learning patterns and slowly increasing my scroll speed by increasing my reaction time/reading skill.
Whenever I'm not on my computer, I play opsu! on my phone (I know it isn't mania but it helps you learn patterns). Everyday when I come back to opsu! I get better at it and that also affects my skill in mania. Right now I can read 9 star songs. I think opsu! helps with hand eye coordination so you can quickly react with really fast patterns because my hand eye coordination is extremely good. I don't play osu!standard but since my hand eye coordination is good, I can aim at the notes perfectly, I just need to increase my timing which I'm doing right now.
I would say I'm a novice but with these techniques I use, I'm gaining on being able to beat 4k songs easily with a lot less effort.
Another way of being fit, (but a terrible way to go) is to probably drink coffee, but there are no shortcuts in life so being fit and active is the way to go!
I would say to make it easier to read patterns in mania you have to change skins to the one that fits you and helps you most, increasing that scroll speed, playing levels you have never played, and just perfecting your hand eye coordination.
I recommend trying other game modes too so then your mind finds it easier to learn the main things for playing a rhythm game. Taiko is very similar to mania, and osu!standard greatly increases your skills once you get good at it. Catch only deals with hand eye coordination, I don't like to play it because it is very easy for me.
I use an arrow skin but deleted the arrows because it is a lot easier to read because the notes are larger.
I'm also getting a mechanical keyboard to press notes a whole lot easier than my laptop keyboard.
I've only been playing mania for a month and I'm still gaining much skill by learning patterns and slowly increasing my scroll speed by increasing my reaction time/reading skill.
Whenever I'm not on my computer, I play opsu! on my phone (I know it isn't mania but it helps you learn patterns). Everyday when I come back to opsu! I get better at it and that also affects my skill in mania. Right now I can read 9 star songs. I think opsu! helps with hand eye coordination so you can quickly react with really fast patterns because my hand eye coordination is extremely good. I don't play osu!standard but since my hand eye coordination is good, I can aim at the notes perfectly, I just need to increase my timing which I'm doing right now.
I would say I'm a novice but with these techniques I use, I'm gaining on being able to beat 4k songs easily with a lot less effort.
Another way of being fit, (but a terrible way to go) is to probably drink coffee, but there are no shortcuts in life so being fit and active is the way to go!
I would say to make it easier to read patterns in mania you have to change skins to the one that fits you and helps you most, increasing that scroll speed, playing levels you have never played, and just perfecting your hand eye coordination.
I recommend trying other game modes too so then your mind finds it easier to learn the main things for playing a rhythm game. Taiko is very similar to mania, and osu!standard greatly increases your skills once you get good at it. Catch only deals with hand eye coordination, I don't like to play it because it is very easy for me.
The Judgement on Osumania is so strict that i literally cried out of frustration..
The fact i played other rhythm games made this much harder for me </3
The fact i played other rhythm games made this much harder for me </3
WolfyFawkes
zvirtual wrote:
well i was half taking this seriously but then i realized you yourself aren't even at a skill level where you can teach people how to improve, so im not even sure if this should be taken seriously at all
Likely no, perhaps over-generalization of actual helpful tips. "Find what star level you're good at and expand from there" is what I was told by some friends.
Really helpful.. Thanks!
This Is helpful this Is great. I will sure visit this thread to see what to improve.
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What are some recommended maps to learn a variety of patterns for 4k and others. or should i just download everything i see on the beatmaps page?
vinicus_vmngyt wrote:
What are some recommended maps to learn a variety of patterns for 4k and others. or should i just download everything i see on the beatmaps page?
Download everything. There are so many different ways that different patterns are used too. The BPM affects how a pattern plays. The transitions between 2 patterns also affect things. Diversity is always better, and the only way you get diversity is downloading everything you can.
just play more. thats it.
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