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Dream Theater - Moment of Betrayal [Taiko]
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https://osu.ppy.sh/s/559371
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/603069
sorry if I interrupt here
but I believe there should be a clear limit what's "unrelated to the song" and what's "unrelated unrelated". The two examples are unrelated to the songs or to their meanings and had no complains in getting them ranked. While I see that the capitalization was probably the thing that looks silly to some users I don't think it's completely necessary. my 2ct
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/603069
sorry if I interrupt here
but I believe there should be a clear limit what's "unrelated to the song" and what's "unrelated unrelated". The two examples are unrelated to the songs or to their meanings and had no complains in getting them ranked. While I see that the capitalization was probably the thing that looks silly to some users I don't think it's completely necessary. my 2ct
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Just drop it. The capitalisation was stupid, but it was fun while it lasted. The song deserves a proper diff name rather than a meme in all honesty. And I'm not too bothered with waiting.
Well, that is the better decision anyways. It's just weird how easily you can go through with "such names" in Standard but that's all. Hope to see the map ranked soon. :eyes:
And back as no gameplay elements are affected upon the change.
Approved~
Approved~
there is time for fun and for serious, yeah enough fair.mangomizer wrote:
Just drop it. The capitalisation was stupid, but it was fun while it lasted. The song deserves a proper diff name rather than a meme in all honesty. And I'm not too bothered with waiting.
"rank map is srsbns" -DekakadoDakededekakane
Oi, since this was DQd for a bit already I'll now post properly what I mentioned to mangomizer somewhere else already but didn't have enough time to finish yet:
so ya, as it is now the NC-stuff is only halfway fixed so if you actually care about that I think I listed everything there is to change, ofc feel free to poke me if you have any more questions, I gotta go to bed rn lol
- Sections like 00:11:550 seem like they're supposed to keep Nightcore's cymbalcrash-pattern intact, but that's far from correct. Concerning this area here, there's already a 'missing crash' at 00:05:660 while there's one occurring at 00:08:605 which doesn't fit, so that section would already have to be placed there. This sorta thing obviously repeats a few more times in the intro and also later on at 01:40:261 where you didn't even 'fix' it at 01:46:151 etc.
- If you actually set the timing sections correctly according to that previous point, you won't need those clusters like 00:21:487 - 00:22:223 - 00:22:962 anymore as your two-barline-issue doesn't occur when the pattern has been fixed at 00:17:070 and you wouldn't need a sections at 00:22:962 anymore anyways because it's obviously already fixed LOL
- Now if you actually care about those cymbalcrashes, 00:48:728 is a very ridiculous one lol, so if you wanna have it more correct you'd need to add a section at 00:47:991
In a similar manner 04:07:133 is a weird crash too so that could need some sort of tweaking around too - 03:22:593 - I don't think spots like these are correct measure-wise, I see that your timing here is coming from the note-pattern that starts repeating at 03:24:617 but rhythmically that seems completely unnatural to me even though I've listened to as many songs odd time signatures that I could find lately - From 03:22:593 to 03:26:089 you've got a eighth-note-rhythm of 3-3-2-3-3-3-2, and in patterns like that the "2"s are usually foreshadowing accentuated beats - The beat after the first "2" is 03:24:065 which would be the downbeat if you keep the signature running at 4/4, so everything would fit in that way, that's why I personally find it extremely weird to delay the downbeat another "3" like you did - My suggestion is to time it like this (which is missing NC-fixing-sections at 03:27:561 etc. I guess but it's just a mess anyways lol). There isn't really an objective "true" or "false" when it comes to signatures, so I'm not 100% sure about it myself, but I just feel like that's much more natural so just take that into consideration and do whatever you want with it, none of my other odd-measure-friends are online rn so I couldn't ask for more opinions on that rn ^^
- Again a NC-fix-section would be missing at 03:43:575 if you wanna have it properly, which would also make the one at 03:55:354 superfluous
- Also 05:24:066 seems like it should be a downbeat instead of 05:23:698 -, I'm too tired to find a way to make this work for NC rn tho
- I see that you timed the final part at 05:25:538 following the guitar, and again there is no objective right or wrong probably, but I just gotta say that having kicks and snares at half-tempo-offbeat at 05:31:428 - 05:32:164 - 05:32:900 - etc seems extreemely weird to me, I'd suggest this timing following the drums instead of the guitar because to me drums are a much stronger indicator of rhyhtm than guitars, and the stuff that the guitars are doing is just weird either way so ya idk, think about it xd
so ya, as it is now the NC-stuff is only halfway fixed so if you actually care about that I think I listed everything there is to change, ofc feel free to poke me if you have any more questions, I gotta go to bed rn lol
bless
O nooo
Topic Starter
Alright before I even get into this response, I will say that Dream Theater timing is rather ambiguous and only Dream Theater themselves know "the true timing" for 100%. Also regarding your posts about NC cymbalcrashes, I don't really see the point? The point of Nightcore is to keep a steady beat, not the placement of cymbalcrashes. The reason why my current NC fixes are there is simply because the NC beat does not remain constant in those areas (eg. double beats). So I will ignore any comment made regarding cymbal crashes.
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Bonsai wrote:
Oi, since this was DQd for a bit already I'll now post properly what I mentioned to mangomizer somewhere else already but didn't have enough time to finish yet:timing (dream theater) is a happy thing : )
- Sections like 00:11:550 seem like they're supposed to keep Nightcore's cymbalcrash-pattern intact, but that's far from correct. Concerning this area here, there's already a 'missing crash' at 00:05:660 while there's one occurring at 00:08:605 which doesn't fit, so that section would already have to be placed there. This sorta thing obviously repeats a few more times in the intro and also later on at 01:40:261 where you didn't even 'fix' it at 01:46:151 etc.
- If you actually set the timing sections correctly according to that previous point, you won't need those clusters like 00:21:487 - 00:22:223 - 00:22:962 anymore as your two-barline-issue doesn't occur when the pattern has been fixed at 00:17:070 and you wouldn't need a sections at 00:22:962 anymore anyways because it's obviously already fixed LOL
- Now if you actually care about those cymbalcrashes, 00:48:728 is a very ridiculous one lol, so if you wanna have it more correct you'd need to add a section at 00:47:991
In a similar manner 04:07:133 is a weird crash too so that could need some sort of tweaking around too- 03:22:593 - I don't think spots like these are correct measure-wise, I see that your timing here is coming from the note-pattern that starts repeating at 03:24:617 but rhythmically that seems completely unnatural to me even though I've listened to as many songs odd time signatures that I could find lately - From 03:22:593 to 03:26:089 you've got a eighth-note-rhythm of 3-3-2-3-3-3-2, and in patterns like that the "2"s are usually foreshadowing accentuated beats - The beat after the first "2" is 03:24:065 which would be the downbeat if you keep the signature running at 4/4, so everything would fit in that way, that's why I personally find it extremely weird to delay the downbeat another "3" like you did - My suggestion is to time it like this (which is missing NC-fixing-sections at 03:27:561 etc. I guess but it's just a mess anyways lol). There isn't really an objective "true" or "false" when it comes to signatures, so I'm not 100% sure about it myself, but I just feel like that's much more natural so just take that into consideration and do whatever you want with it, none of my other odd-measure-friends are online rn so I couldn't ask for more opinions on that rn ^^ Hmm... I'm really not sure here. Time signatures are always subjective - you can completely transform how a song feels simply by the emphasis of strong beats. Here I think (3+3+2)/8 is not the right solution, because I feel that the following sections would lose a bit of momentum (as it is a monotonous 3+3+3 etc,). If you use 11/8, the "12th beat" has an interesting repeating emphasis? Not really sure how to explain, but I feel it carries the momentum slightly better.
- Again a NC-fix-section would be missing at 03:43:575 if you wanna have it properly, which would also make the one at 03:55:354 superfluous
- Also 05:24:066 seems like it should be a downbeat instead of 05:23:698 -, I'm too tired to find a way to make this work for NC rn tho VALID, but applying different fix. Turning the entire section into 3/4, not sure, reqeusted DQ from JBH
- I see that you timed the final part at 05:25:538 following the guitar, and again there is no objective right or wrong probably, but I just gotta say that having kicks and snares at half-tempo-offbeat at 05:31:428 - 05:32:164 - 05:32:900 - etc seems extreemely weird to me, I'd suggest this timing following the drums instead of the guitar because to me drums are a much stronger indicator of rhyhtm than guitars, and the stuff that the guitars are doing is just weird either way so ya idk, think about it xd I'm actually follwing the synth when it changes pitch...lol
so ya, as it is now the NC-stuff is only halfway fixed so if you actually care about that I think I listed everything there is to change, ofc feel free to poke me if you have any more questions, I gotta go to bed rn lol
DQ on mapper request to fix some timing signatures.
Might as well try and throw my 2c in here since it's timing related, feel free to agree or disagree:
Might as well try and throw my 2c in here since it's timing related, feel free to agree or disagree:
- Not sure what progress happened prior to this regarding downbeats and NC mod, but if you're gonna try and make it NC-friendly and ruin a great song but that's beside the point, do it for the whole thing to avoid a weird half-and-half mix
- 03:22:593 - This definitely sounds better as 4/4 + 7/4 to me as Bonsai suggested
- 05:25:538 - Either current or suggested metronome works here for me, really depending on whether you wish to follow drums or guitar+synth, so up to you
Topic Starter
Will be put on a brief hiatus for now (~2 weeks?). I have other stuff to get on with in the meantime.
Topic Starter
OK 1st point ignored, it simply is really hard to judge and is totally subjective.JBHyperion wrote:
DQ on mapper request to fix some timing signatures.
Might as well try and throw my 2c in here since it's timing related, feel free to agree or disagree:
- Not sure what progress happened prior to this regarding downbeats and NC mod, but if you're gonna try and make it NC-friendly and ruin a great song but that's beside the point, do it for the whole thing to avoid a weird half-and-half mix
- 03:22:593 - This definitely sounds better as 4/4 + 7/4 to me as Bonsai suggested
- 05:25:538 - Either current or suggested metronome works here for me, really depending on whether you wish to follow drums or guitar+synth, so up to you
Thought about the 2nd point, stuck with current.
rip caps intensifies on diffname
05:24:066 - fixed two vol. conflict
05:24:066 - fixed two vol. conflict
Topic Starter
Alright Round 3! Let's see what thing will DQ this map next!
o no, you seems hypee with that. X"d
Topic Starter
Alright really need to stop popping my own bubble, but now it should be 2 DQ's and 2 bubble pops.
Timing points should be fixed, if you have issues COME FIGHT ME.
Timing points should be fixed, if you have issues COME FIGHT ME.
Timing of Betrayal
Timing is not a happy thing.
WOOOOOOOOOOOO
bcus same thing x'dStefan wrote:
Timing is not a happy thing.