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Sotarks

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-04-06T12:59:58+00:00

if you give up on this i'll take my diff and give it to haruto's set, but i would highly prefer you to rank this one tho.

Irohas

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Irohas 2017-04-06T19:09:33+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
if you give up on this i'll take my diff and give it to haruto's set, but i would highly prefer you to rank this one tho.

lol it's as u want dud but i wont let this set in graveyard by respect gders' work

Sotarks

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Sotarks 2017-04-06T19:38:35+00:00

Irohas wrote:
Sotarks wrote:
if you give up on this i'll take my diff and give it to haruto's set, but i would highly prefer you to rank this one tho.
lol it's as u want dud but i wont let this set in graveyard by respect gders' work

Then gogo

Irohas

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Irohas 2017-04-06T19:59:15+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
Then gogo

french privilégié

iYiyo

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iYiyo 2017-04-09T01:41:28+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
Then gogo

Mir

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Mir 2017-07-01T17:04:40+00:00

Irohas wrote:
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eyes emoji

set looks pretty polished already.. i'll see what i can find

[Easy]
- 00:24:690 (3) - looks slightly off-kilter, move the red point down a bit http://i.imgur.com/PHzeske.png

fine

[Normal]
- 00:16:953 (3,5) - a little too close for comfort maybe, try http://i.imgur.com/HZDVesf.png // 01:07:479 (3,5) -

fine x2

[Hard]

Ranking Criteria wrote:
If stacks are used, Stack Leniency must be set high enough for 1/2 hit objects to stack. Directly overlapping hit objects cause reading problems for players of this level.

- 00:13:795 (2) - not really a fan of this reverse since the drums are on 00:13:953 - and 00:14:111 - which also has the guitar. I'd try to make 00:14:111 - clickable - maybe a circle or rhythm like 00:18:374 (1,2,3) - would work // 00:16:321 (3) - for all instances pretty much
- 00:41:111 (1) - you use circles like 00:37:953 (3,4) - for weaker sounds but not for these that actually call for circles imo o.o // 00:43:637 (1) -

[pkhg's Insane]
- 00:28:479 (1,3) - edgy, would recommend offsetting slightly just to be safe
- 00:49:321 (3,4) - can you make these the same slider?
- 01:22:953 - why switch to drums when the guitar is still going and continuing this rhythm 01:22:005 (3,4,1) -

eh.. a lot of vocals that could be mapped with circles are ignored in favor of sliders even when placed right after or right before a slider that doesn't have a vocal on the end of it like 00:56:584 (2) - 01:01:953 (3) - (which even has a double drum on it) - 01:03:847 (1) - 01:07:953 (3) - etc etc and i don't really agree with it.

[Janpai's Insane]
- 00:59:268 (2) - i think a reverse might fit here to capture the drum if you want
- 01:07:953 (2,4,7) - erm.. maybe http://i.imgur.com/RQAmdwn.png

fine for the most part

[Sotark's Extra]
- 00:01:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - what exactly is this following? i just hear constant 1/2, not what this is following o.o
- 00:05:111 (1,2,3,4) - 2,3 have nearly the same emphasis as 1,2 but 1,2 stand out way more. not to mention 00:05:426 (3,4) - does as well, so the drum hits are kind of low emphasis
- 00:27:847 - 00:28:163 - would follow the guitar here since the same sounds are being played that you followed here 00:26:742 (1,2,3,2) - and switching to the drums is kinda ignoring that
- 01:05:899 (3,4,5) - nazi ds lol

yeah.

[Kanto's Memories]
- 00:03:216 (1,2,3,4) - emphasis on 1,2 is drowned out by the spacing of 3,4 which is very similar but on weaker sounds
- 00:40:637 (6,7,8) - nazi ds again

like the rhythm of the whole set i just can't agree with and it would take me way too long to point out every single instance. at that point it just becomes subjective so yeah. i elaborated more on pkhg's difficulty but basically i think that the higher diffs ignore a lot of the vocals for drums and with a song with such animated vocals ignoring them like 01:13:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - on the topdiff is

. i would do http://i.imgur.com/6QWi06B.png or something but then again - subjective

sotark's diff actually follows the vocals the best imo lol but even then stuff like 01:04:005 (2) - 01:08:268 (4) - 01:12:532 (1,2,3) - (slider should just be on 2 imo) is stuff that can be circles or just following the vocals better overall

^ that's why the mod is so short btw, the rest of the stuff looks pretty polished so no comment on that

Good luck~

Irohas

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Irohas 2017-07-01T17:33:45+00:00

Mir wrote:
Irohas wrote:
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eyes emoji 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

set looks pretty polished already.. i'll see what i can find

[Easy]
- 00:24:690 (3) - looks slightly off-kilter, move the red point down a bit http://i.imgur.com/PHzeske.png okay did

fine

[Normal]
- 00:16:953 (3,5) - a little too close for comfort maybe, try http://i.imgur.com/HZDVesf.png // 01:07:479 (3,5) - okay

fine x2

[Hard]
Ranking Criteria wrote:
If stacks are used, Stack Leniency must be set high enough for 1/2 hit objects to stack. Directly overlapping hit objects cause reading problems for players of this level.
oops, dont know why sl is on 2 actually, lol
- 00:13:795 (2) - not really a fan of this reverse since the drums are on 00:13:953 - and 00:14:111 - which also has the guitar. I'd try to make 00:14:111 - clickable - maybe a circle or rhythm like 00:18:374 (1,2,3) - would work // 00:16:321 (3) - for all instances pretty much did did
- 00:41:111 (1) - you use circles like 00:37:953 (3,4) - for weaker sounds but not for these that actually call for circles imo o.o // 00:43:637 (1) - i dont wanna circles in calm parts u know D:

like the rhythm of the whole set i just can't agree with and it would take me way too long to point out every single instance. at that point it just becomes subjective so yeah. i elaborated more on pkhg's difficulty but basically i think that the higher diffs ignore a lot of the vocals for drums and with a song with such animated vocals ignoring them like 01:13:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - on the topdiff is . i would do http://i.imgur.com/6QWi06B.png or something but then again - subjective

sotark's diff actually follows the vocals the best imo lol but even then stuff like 01:04:005 (2) - 01:08:268 (4) - 01:12:532 (1,2,3) - (slider should just be on 2 imo) is stuff that can be circles or just following the vocals better overall

^ that's why the mod is so short btw, the rest of the stuff looks pretty polished so no comment on that i can understand, it kinda an old set, i'll try to rework it a bit if gders would want to rework too

Good luck~

Thanks Mir, for that quick and helpful mod!

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2017-07-04T20:01:15+00:00

song is so good why do i need to find this now orz fck me
i would love to gd this lmao but set is completed so eh
tell me when you've reworked your hard. I'll give you a mod

Irohas

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Irohas 2017-07-05T08:12:20+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
song is so good why do i need to find this now orz fck me
i would love to gd this lmao but set is completed so eh
tell me when you've reworked your hard. I'll give you a mod

yeah the set is kinda completed sorry, and thank you for supporting, I'll poke you then!

EDIT: reworked normal+hard i think it's fine now

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2017-07-07T15:45:52+00:00

as promised

[Hard]

00:04:479 (1) - Jump here for consistency but tbh since this is just the intro and the music is really calm here, deleting jumps at 00:03:216 (1) - 00:05:111 (1) - makes more sense cuz it improves the relative intensity stuff
tbh the 1.4 DS in the next part is so minuscule that it provides no emphasis and besides it's also inconsistent lol >> 00:16:953 (1) - 00:13:321 (1) - etc. Just stick with the 1.3
00:18:374 (1) - this kinda jump works but it should be at 00:19:479 (1) - instead to indicate the transition. Stick to the 1.3 DS here and do something like https://puu.sh/wDTm0/8958488375.jpg at 00:19:479 (1) -
00:25:953 (1) - don't like how you skip the second red line here lol. 00:25:321 (3,4) - seem like they are mapped to the vocals and 00:27:847 (3,4) - seem like they are mapped to the guitar. The second red line has both vocal and guitar so ya it doesn't make sense to skip it
00:39:216 (3,4) - flip this rhythm around (slider after circle) cuz you are clearly mapping to the secondary guitar elsewhere like 00:37:953 (3,4,5) - . for consistency
00:51:216 (1) - because the SV changes so does the spacing multiplier. Change this so that 00:50:584 (3,4,1) - are equally apart from each other
00:41:111 (1) - 00:43:637 (1) - don't like how these were mapped with sliders like 00:43:005 (5,6) - . Please use two circles for emphasis. Maybe also stack those circles for more emphasis XD
00:46:795 (3,5) - no need for jumps here. Just stick to the DS; the music is still calm and stuff. Save the jumps for 00:49:953 (1) -
that being said 00:49:953 (1) - a jump here instead of ^ works better
I also checked the Insane and imo you should add more jumps to the kiai for spread and emphasis. You can either jump on cymbals like 01:01:321 (1) - 01:15:058 (1) - etc. or you can jump on strong vocals like 00:57:374 (1) - 00:59:900 (1) - 01:02:426 (1) - etc. But either way make it consistent and don't do random jumps and make sure all sounds you choose have jumps. The jump is really small already so you need to be really consistent for the emphasis to work. Also I recommend buffing the jump to 1.5x. Jumps rn are moderately random so there is no emphasis effect.
01:13:953 (1) - this is unexpectedly large. Understandable if this were on 01:15:058 (1) - but that's not the case so eeh nah this is too big
01:08:268 (3,4,1) - fyi this type of movement is very different from 01:09:532 (3,4,1) - 01:07:005 (3,4,1) - because 01:08:268 (3,4,1) - forms a complete curved line and is a wide angle stuff which feels kinda random being on its own. However if you can exploit this it can be used to emphasize the rising vocals here. so either make 01:08:268 (3,4,1) - kinda like the rest or make the rest like this one lol. The latter is much better but might be hard to map
01:19:005 (1) - 01:24:058 (1) - missing jumps

yea most stuff are nazi but pls be more consistent with spacing irregularities xd

can't mod normal lmao I don't map normal like that XD
gl

Irohas

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Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-07T16:34:08+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
as promised

[Hard]
00:04:479 (1) - Jump here for consistency but tbh since this is just the intro and the music is really calm here, deleting jumps at 00:03:216 (1) - 00:05:111 (1) - makes more sense cuz it improves the relative intensity stuff ok did somehow
tbh the 1.4 DS in the next part is so minuscule that it provides no emphasis and besides it's also inconsistent lol >> 00:16:953 (1) - 00:13:321 (1) - etc. Just stick with the 1.3 lol but it's 1.3x just remove one of these note stacked and you'll see
00:18:374 (1) - this kinda jump works but it should be at 00:19:479 (1) - instead to indicate the transition. Stick to the 1.3 DS here and do something like https://puu.sh/wDTm0/8958488375.jpg at 00:19:479 (1) - fine i guess since they both have jumps
00:25:953 (1) - don't like how you skip the second red line here lol. 00:25:321 (3,4) - seem like they are mapped to the vocals and 00:27:847 (3,4) - seem like they are mapped to the guitar. The second red line has both vocal and guitar so ya it doesn't make sense to skip it just consistency with 00:20:900 (1) -
00:39:216 (3,4) - flip this rhythm around (slider after circle) cuz you are clearly mapping to the secondary guitar elsewhere like 00:37:953 (3,4,5) - . for consistency again, consistency with 00:33:532 (1,2,3) - 00:36:058 (1,2,3) - etc.
00:51:216 (1) - because the SV changes so does the spacing multiplier. Change this so that 00:50:584 (3,4,1) - are equally apart from each other
00:41:111 (1) - 00:43:637 (1) - don't like how these were mapped with sliders like 00:43:005 (5,6) - . Please use two circles for emphasis. Maybe also stack those circles for more emphasis XD mmh dunno actually, since i dont want circles in this kind of part
00:46:795 (3,5) - no need for jumps here. Just stick to the DS; the music is still calm and stuff. Save the jumps for 00:49:953 (1) - lol but loud clap
that being said 00:49:953 (1) - a jump here instead of ^ works better there's already a jump there
I also checked the Insane and imo you should add more jumps to the kiai for spread and emphasis. You can either jump on cymbals like 01:01:321 (1) - 01:15:058 (1) - etc. or you can jump on strong vocals like 00:57:374 (1) - 00:59:900 (1) - 01:02:426 (1) - etc. But either way make it consistent and don't do random jumps and make sure all sounds you choose have jumps. The jump is really small already so you need to be really consistent for the emphasis to work. Also I recommend buffing the jump to 1.5x. Jumps rn are moderately random so there is no emphasis effect. it's already much 3.45* imo, i guess spread is fine
01:13:953 (1) - this is unexpectedly large. Understandable if this were on 01:15:058 (1) - but that's not the case so eeh nah this is too big
01:08:268 (3,4,1) - fyi this type of movement is very different from 01:09:532 (3,4,1) - 01:07:005 (3,4,1) - because 01:08:268 (3,4,1) - forms a complete curved line and is a wide angle stuff which feels kinda random being on its own. However if you can exploit this it can be used to emphasize the rising vocals here. so either make 01:08:268 (3,4,1) - kinda like the rest or make the rest like this one lol. The latter is much better but might be hard to map actually i made this kind of movement due to vocal, i thought it would be nice to play this moment as that
01:19:005 (1) - 01:24:058 (1) - missing jumps consistencies

yea most stuff are nazi but pls be more consistent with spacing irregularities xd

can't mod normal lmao I don't map normal like that XD
gl

thanks!

Sotarks

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Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-07-12T13:41:49+00:00

Mir wrote:
[Sotarks' Extra]
- 00:01:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - what exactly is this following? i just hear constant 1/2, not what this is following o.o 00:01:953 - here there's a strong guitar sound that i want to hold by a 1/2 slider, and make a rythmn through that, that's all.. don't want to spam jump here
- 00:05:111 (1,2,3,4) - 2,3 have nearly the same emphasis as 1,2 but 1,2 stand out way more. not to mention 00:05:426 (3,4) - does as well, so the drum hits are kind of low emphasis
- 00:27:847 - 00:28:163 - would follow the guitar here since the same sounds are being played that you followed here 00:26:742 (1,2,3,2) - and switching to the drums is kinda ignoring that like my current rhythm here, i want also to focus voice after so that's why, don't wanna change that
- 01:05:899 (3,4,5) - nazi ds lol

yeah.

no reply fixed, thx mir.

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Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-07-17T01:00:59+00:00

CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Wolf
General

Offset is a bit off, try 694?
MA says soft-hitfinish.wav has a 5 MS delay on it, any reasons why?
Hitsounds feel all over the place, will try to mention them throughout.
00:20:900 (1) - Missing finish

Easy

Rhythm feels way too dense in the intro IMO, I think it'd be better to undermap some notes to better contrast later intensities in the kiai and such. I think something to help this would be to make 00:01:953 (2,3) - and 00:04:479 (2,3) - circles, if not at least one of them to make the buildup feel stronger.
00:13:321 (1) - Re-DS this, slightly off.
00:19:479 (2) - Sliders like this can be a tad bit subjective since the slightly curved-in section makes the direct path a little less clear. To make sure it's as clear as can be, could you make it like 01:25:163 (2) - perhaps? Same at 00:44:900 (3) - .
00:24:690 (3,4,1) - Improve visual spacing here, (1) is closer to (3) than it is to (4). Easiest fix is to pull (1) up.
Referring to intensity as from here: http://puu.sh/wLgAC/08ca3442cf.png, the section from 00:20:900 (1) - to 00:29:268 (2) - is one of the most dense in the map and would thus be one of the hardest parts for a newer player to play, and it really doesn't make much sense across the difficulty that this is as hard as it is. Yeah, there's a constant 1/1 beat sure, but it doesn't hurt to undermap an easy to better establish a demonstration of intensity across the map as a whole. Follow the vocals a bit more and add some rhythm gaps to make this less difficult.
00:29:268 (2,1) - Don't believe this is really appropriate for an easy. Time-distance equality is really important and doing stacks like this can be confusing for someone new to the game, I think a better alternative would be to just move it further away altogether. It might take some re-arranging on your part but I'd rather see this changed.
In terms of rhythm density over this diff, 00:41:111 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - is the hardest part of the map, and it's not really fitting IMO. I think you could reduce some density here by removing 00:43:321 (4) -
00:44:900 (3) - Maybe do a 3/2 reverse slider here? 00:45:374 - feels underrepresented.
00:51:216 (1,2) - So going with overdone intensity again, this could definitely have 2/1 gaps between the sliders since strong sounds fall on the 2nd beats at 00:51:847 - and 00:53:111 -. Better follows the vocals since that's what you've been doing anyways.
00:54:374 (2) - So, circles in general in an easy create a build-up since they are by nature harder to play. Given that the song is building intensity here going into the chorus, would you consider putting two circles here instead of a slider? Could be cooler in that sense.
01:26:268 (3) - Throwing in a 1/2 like this at the ending is just really awkward for the overall map. Just put a circle on the red tick.

Normal

I personally disagree with your rhythm choice in the intro. A lot of what people chose to map in the GDs and such is to the vocals since they're the strongest part there, then drums after that. The simple 1/1 slider intro just feels to ignore it. Try to incorporate the vocals more maybe by introducing 1/2 rhythms but still keeping density low.
00:26:584 (2,3) - This is really offputting for me. Why do you suddenly follow the guitar sounds but ignore them at 00:26:426 - and 00:27:690? Building on that, if you include those guitar sounds as something you map to at some point shouldn't you do it at 00:28:479 (1,2,3) - as well? Lots of rhythm choice inconsistency here.
00:51:216 (1,2) - Same thing with the sliders from the easy, this just doesn't feel right to have the strong sounds be within the slider.
Don't have anything else, difficulty looks good!

Hard

Lots better since last time!
Again with overly dense intro IMO. Do away with 00:02:742 (3) - to give this part a little less umph, constant 1/2 feels excessive.
I liked how you stacked things to give a little less motion to these things in the intro, and I feel you should do that at 00:03:690 (2,3) - too.
00:19:163 (3) - Feel like these should both be clickable, two strong drum beats on head and tail.
Aesthetic nitpick, make 00:20:900 (1,1) - same angle pls
00:25:953 (1) - This doesn't make sense to me rhythmically. You focus on vocals and guitar later but this covers both.
00:55:795 (4) - Same thing about both being clickable here, these sounds should be imo.
00:46:795 (3) - I like the spacing emphasis concepts throughout the diff, this feels overdone though. Same at 01:13:953 (1) - . I saw you mentioned to crys that it's a loud clap but it really doesn't need this much emphasis in the slow part. It's already a sharp flow change, that emphasises it a bunch.
00:53:742 (1,2,3,4) - I'm a little unsure about this rhythm choice. It doesn't really suit the build-up since it's about as dense as the strong drums in the next measure. What I liked about the other diffs in this set is that they make this very weak then going into a stronger buildup with the drums, and I think you could better reflect the music by doing the same.
00:58:795 (1,3) - Another aesthetic nitpick, same angle pls <3?
Rest looks fine to me, but what I really still find uncomfortable about this difficulty is how you don't really change overall flow in a broader sense. To better explain this, look at 00:00:690 (1) - to 00:24:690 (1) - . If you'll notice, you'll see that you're just going around clockwise the entire time. There's no back and forth motion, no switch in direction. You do a lot better in this case with the slow part, but then you do the same but counter clockwise through the kiai. This might be overly nitpicky but it would be more interesting to see more diverse movement in gameplay rather than just moving in circles around the playfield for an entire section.

pkhg's Insane

Use some finish hitsounds on the cymbal crashes, feels really empty on strong notes.
Just HP 6 maybe? 6.5 feels a bit punishing.
Love your difficulty, super clean and very nicely made. My only real big issue is that your intro from 00:00:690 (1) - to 00:09:374 (6) - is harder than most of the opening sequence of the song: http://puu.sh/wLkeg/de6ad3cd89.png and quite harder than the section upcoming. I think you could nerf some distance between notes and stuff to make it more balanced overall.
00:26:742 (4,5) - Would be cool if you could make this all clickable for the guitar sounds.
00:28:084 - triple?
01:15:847 (7) - I feel like you could put a slider here to better emphasize vocals since your difficulty strongly focuses on them. Since this is the last instance where vocals are present in the song it'd be a cool way to play them out one last time.

Janpai's Insane

I feel like you use the finish hitsound a bit too much in this difficulty, it becomes too frequent and loses some of its emphasis, or over-emphasizes sounds that shouldn't be. Here's the ones I think should be removed: 00:15:532 (6) - (consistency across diffs, and it makes the next one stronger), 00:29:584 (1) - , 00:32:111 (1) - to 00:39:690 (1) - (these aren't cymbal crashes), 01:13:953 (1) - , 01:15:847 (1) - (almost no sound here)
I swear every diff's done this lol, your intro is one of the hardest parts of the map even though it's by far one of the calmest. http://puu.sh/wLlPQ/7358d506e3.png It doesn't make sense that the buildup into the beginning sequence of the song is as hard as it is. Don't overemphasize the drums with consistently hard jump patterns like 00:04:479 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - . Make them bigger, but not that much bigger in comparison to the rest, definitely want to see this changed.
00:10:163 (2,3,4) - Given that these sounds are pretty weak, they play really strongly and almost overpower some of the notes in the section that is preludes. Could you tone the spacing down a bit? Love the 1/4 slider idea but the spacing is pretty large (larger than upper two diffs, for example)
00:26:900 (3,4,1) - Don't think that this sound justifies as big a spacing increase as you've made, especially to the standard of spacing you've created leading into this.
00:41:111 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Turn on stacking, doesn't quite line up.
00:44:584 (7,1,2) - Could be nicer aesthetically, make 1 a part of the blanket http://puu.sh/wLmoO/4b8ec940fc.jpg
00:55:005 (1,6) - Did you mean to stack these?

Sotark's Expert

Why not use some hitfinish hitsounds throughout this diff? It'll add some more emphasis to the cymbal crashes and make sections feel more prominent in gameplay.
I like the overlap style but I feel you could do it more precisely/accurately. A lot are a bit quickly done, like 00:12:690 (4,2,1) - for example and are inconsistent visually making for some awkward aesthetics. Maybe use consistent numbers, click on the coordinates and then move them relatively by a set amount for all notes, and it'd look really, really nice.
The intro feels overdone for the most part in terms of spacing imo, it should lead into the section starting at 00:10:637 (1) - as a weaker start rather than a stronger one. It'll help to emphasize the chorus better.
00:01:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm having trouble understanding as to what rhythm you're following here. Vocals end halfway through the pattern, the guitar falls on each white tick, and that scratchy noise is only on beat 1 and 4. IMO this rhythm feels a bit arbitrary. As I interpret it, you start the intro by following the vocals at 00:00:690 (1,2) - , and it'd help for consistency if you continued with that.
00:06:690 (5,6) - Going on, these feel a bit arbitrary as well. If you're going to map the scratchy sounds like this, why not include them at 00:01:953 (1) - or 00:02:900 (5) - 00:04:795 (3) - too? If you include it it'd help to include a few more within this section. Next I interpret this as starting with vocals: 00:05:742 (1,2,3,4) - , but then a switch to drums at 00:07:005 (1,2,3) - . I don't see any consistent focus on a few select instruments in the song, which I think you could improve a bit to help playability.
00:12:690 (4) - why not make these both clickable? Equally strong sounds on the head+tail. You do at 00:15:216 (3,4) - , for example.
00:26:347 - include this note perhaps since you focus on the guitar a lot?
00:37:637 (2,3,4) - It's random that you include this triple here but nowhere else. Why not 00:31:558- , or 00:32:821 - , or 00:34:005 (3) - , or 00:35:663 - , or 00:36:532 (4) - ? Not saying you necessarily need to include all of them, emphasize what you'd like, but it's weird in gameplay when you only express one. Also, imo, I disagree with the flow between 00:37:637 (2,3) - , since the strong beat falls on (4) it'd be cool to make the flow emphasis fall there as well by making 3 like this instead: http://puu.sh/wLqku/8df23bf93b.jpg
I'd also like to see some more of 00:37:953 (4) - become clickable due to the equally strong beats.
00:39:058 (3) - So here, going off of the drums, this should be both clickable. If you're going off of the vocals, then shouldn't 00:39:690 (1) - be a slider to be held out?
00:44:268 (6,7) - Seeing vocal emphasis here, but nowhere at 00:41:111 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - feels inconsistent. I think it'd be better if you incorporate more rhythms from the vocals into the first section here to make this overall part more consistent and easy to follow.
00:42:690 - (that timestamp tho) could you maybe put a sliderend here? This sound feels a bit downplayed imo.
00:47:347 (4,5) - More subjective, but this sort of motion is really sharp, playing it like this instead: http://puu.sh/wLo9e/f2087d8229.jpg would put more emphasis on the downbeat rather than the 1/4 kick and thus making the vocals feel stronger in gameplay.
00:53:742 (1,2,3,4) - Love the idea here, but the placement feels a bit uncomfortable. It doesn't stand out much in terms of other elements of the map and doesn't feel special by how the flow goes. Giving it some unique difference would make this a lot cooler.
00:59:268 (3) - Feel you could make head+tail here clickable instead
01:06:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This feels overemphasized, not a fan of the spacing increase in this part of the map. It doesn't really fit at this point in the song seeing as it is the biggest jump pattern in the difficulty, IMO it'd be better elsewhere. I think a pattern like this would be better represented at 01:09:374 (2,3,4,5,1) - where the vocals grow in intensity and peak at the highest point in the song. I think the spacing here would be better reflected as something like 01:07:953 (2,3,4,5,6) - .
01:09:374 (2,3,4,5,1) - Going with the previous point, this feels underdeveloped in contrast although the vocals are so strong in comparison, I think you could do more to make this stand out more than the previous two measures.
01:25:163 (4) - compare to 00:19:479 (1) - , same sound across sections would be nicer as same rhythm.

Kanto's Memories

Up OD to 8.5 maybe? Better for the spread since Sotarks has 8.2. Also consider HP 6.5 instead, 7 is quite punishing.
Fell in love with this difficulty when I saw it, very well done! Just a few things I wanted to mention.
So my only real big issue with this difficulty is that it feels almost too consistent in spacing, and that it doesn't ever get that much less difficult. I would really, really love to see the intro and this section from 00:20:900 (1) - to 00:29:584 (6) - get less spacing than the rest, they're almost on par with the kiai at some parts even though it's a calm section of the song.
00:26:742 (4) - Both clickable maybe, since you follow the guitar strongly at 00:26:347 (2,3) - and at 00:27:690 (3,4) - .
00:39:374 (4) - Maybe make this clickable on head/tail, since you follow vocals a lot it'd better represent that imo.
00:40:795 (8) - DS error
00:41:111 (1,2,3,4,5) - Compare to 00:43:637 (1,2,3,4) - , you stay in the same place in one but then go back to the first jump in the other, for consistency's sake I think it'd be better to do it one way or the other.

The custom hitsounds feel alright with each difficulty, but it'd be nice to see some things emphasized similarly across the set like the cymbal crashes. Not entirely sure how I feel about bubbling this yet so call me back when this is fully responded to and I'll see about it then

KantoKun

1,114 posts

Joined December 2011

KantoKun 2017-07-18T12:04:07+00:00

fix all, maybe?

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Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-18T13:27:11+00:00

Plaudible wrote:
CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Wolf
General
Offset is a bit off, try 694? okay did
MA says soft-hitfinish.wav has a 5 MS delay on it, any reasons why? dunno o:
Hitsounds feel all over the place, will try to mention them throughout.
00:20:900 (1) - Missing finish okay did in all diffs

Easy
Rhythm feels way too dense in the intro IMO, I think it'd be better to undermap some notes to better contrast later intensities in the kiai and such. I think something to help this would be to make 00:01:953 (2,3) - and 00:04:479 (2,3) - circles, if not at least one of them to make the buildup feel stronger. it should make much circles in this kind of calm part imo
00:13:321 (1) - Re-DS this, slightly off. oops
00:19:479 (2) - Sliders like this can be a tad bit subjective since the slightly curved-in section makes the direct path a little less clear. To make sure it's as clear as can be, could you make it like 01:25:163 (2) - perhaps? Same at 00:44:900 (3) - . mmh fixed it in some way
00:24:690 (3,4,1) - Improve visual spacing here, (1) is closer to (3) than it is to (4). Easiest fix is to pull (1) up. okay
Referring to intensity as from here: http://puu.sh/wLgAC/08ca3442cf.png, the section from 00:20:900 (1) - to 00:29:268 (2) - is one of the most dense in the map and would thus be one of the hardest parts for a newer player to play, and it really doesn't make much sense across the difficulty that this is as hard as it is. Yeah, there's a constant 1/1 beat sure, but it doesn't hurt to undermap an easy to better establish a demonstration of intensity across the map as a whole. Follow the vocals a bit more and add some rhythm gaps to make this less difficult. okay did in some way hope its fine
00:29:268 (2,1) - Don't believe this is really appropriate for an easy. Time-distance equality is really important and doing stacks like this can be confusing for someone new to the game, I think a better alternative would be to just move it further away altogether. It might take some re-arranging on your part but I'd rather see this changed. just check that
In terms of rhythm density over this diff, 00:41:111 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - is the hardest part of the map, and it's not really fitting IMO. I think you could reduce some density here by removing 00:43:321 (4) - not really hard theres only 1/1 sliders imo but removed
00:44:900 (3) - Maybe do a 3/2 reverse slider here? 00:45:374 - feels underrepresented. okay okay
00:51:216 (1,2) - So going with overdone intensity again, this could definitely have 2/1 gaps between the sliders since strong sounds fall on the 2nd beats at 00:51:847 - and 00:53:111 -. Better follows the vocals since that's what you've been doing anyways. the best way to represent vocals imo i guess circles and sliders wont fit
00:54:374 (2) - So, circles in general in an easy create a build-up since they are by nature harder to play. Given that the song is building intensity here going into the chorus, would you consider putting two circles here instead of a slider? Could be cooler in that sense. dont really want to circles there, especially bc it sounds totally the same as 00:53:746 (1) -
01:26:268 (3) - Throwing in a 1/2 like this at the ending is just really awkward for the overall map. Just put a circle on the red tick. the last sound must be clickable it's much more heavy being skipped

Normal
I personally disagree with your rhythm choice in the intro. A lot of what people chose to map in the GDs and such is to the vocals since they're the strongest part there, then drums after that. The simple 1/1 slider intro just feels to ignore it. Try to incorporate the vocals more maybe by introducing 1/2 rhythms but still keeping density low. i dont really follow vocals in the whole diff, i guess here would be a kind of inconsistency but i guess it's still playable and noticeable
00:26:584 (2,3) - This is really offputting for me. Why do you suddenly follow the guitar sounds but ignore them at 00:26:426 - and 00:27:690? Building on that, if you include those guitar sounds as something you map to at some point shouldn't you do it at 00:28:479 (1,2,3) - as well? Lots of rhythm choice inconsistency here. okay did
00:51:216 (1,2) - Same thing with the sliders from the easy, this just doesn't feel right to have the strong sounds be within the slider. here the rhythm could be more complicated, so i guess its fine
Don't have anything else, difficulty looks good! thx!!

Hard
Lots better since last time! thanks!
Again with overly dense intro IMO. Do away with 00:02:742 (3) - to give this part a little less umph, constant 1/2 feels excessive. same same, i guess this part is fine
I liked how you stacked things to give a little less motion to these things in the intro, and I feel you should do that at 00:03:690 (2,3) - too. okay did
00:19:163 (3) - Feel like these should both be clickable, two strong drum beats on head and tail. whistles not drums i'm following here D:
Aesthetic nitpick, make 00:20:900 (1,1) - same angle pls did
00:25:953 (1) - This doesn't make sense to me rhythmically. You focus on vocals and guitar later but this covers both. consistency with 00:20:904 (1) - didnt follow vocals there too
00:55:795 (4) - Same thing about both being clickable here, these sounds should be imo. okay changed into circles this one
00:46:795 (3) - I like the spacing emphasis concepts throughout the diff, this feels overdone though. Same at 01:13:953 (1) - . I saw you mentioned to crys that it's a loud clap but it really doesn't need this much emphasis in the slow part. It's already a sharp flow change, that emphasises it a bunch. reduced a bit then
00:53:742 (1,2,3,4) - I'm a little unsure about this rhythm choice. It doesn't really suit the build-up since it's about as dense as the strong drums in the next measure. What I liked about the other diffs in this set is that they make this very weak then going into a stronger buildup with the drums, and I think you could better reflect the music by doing the same. tried removing 00:54:220 (2) -
00:58:795 (1,3) - Another aesthetic nitpick, same angle pls <3? ya ya did did
Rest looks fine to me, but what I really still find uncomfortable about this difficulty is how you don't really change overall flow in a broader sense. To better explain this, look at 00:00:690 (1) - to 00:24:690 (1) - . If you'll notice, you'll see that you're just going around clockwise the entire time. There's no back and forth motion, no switch in direction. You do a lot better in this case with the slow part, but then you do the same but counter clockwise through the kiai. This might be overly nitpicky but it would be more interesting to see more diverse movement in gameplay rather than just moving in circles around the playfield for an entire section. kinda understand what you mean, it'll surely help me with my future next hard diffs. thanks!

The custom hitsounds feel alright with each difficulty, but it'd be nice to see some things emphasized similarly across the set like the cymbal crashes. Not entirely sure how I feel about bubbling this yet so call me back when this is fully responded to and I'll see about it then

thx plaudible!!
+upd8 kanto's diff
waiting for sotarks pkhg and janpai

pkhg

2,507 posts

Joined May 2010

pkhg 2017-07-19T17:58:47+00:00

fixed all thanks xd

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Irohas

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Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-19T19:10:54+00:00

rip old phgk diff updated!!

KantoKun

1,114 posts

Joined December 2011

KantoKun 2017-07-19T20:51:37+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
song is so good why do i need to find this now orz fck me
i would love to gd this lmao but set is completed so eh
tell me when you've reworked your hard. I'll give you a mod

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Jub Jub

Hot Loli

96 posts

Joined March 2013

Hot Loli 2017-07-19T21:05:06+00:00

thank you for map, like it :3

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Plaudible

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Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-07-23T02:57:57+00:00

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Sotarks

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Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-07-23T15:56:15+00:00

Plaudible wrote:

Sotark's Expert
Why not use some hitfinish hitsounds throughout this diff? It'll add some more emphasis to the cymbal crashes and make sections feel more prominent in gameplay. Added some finish lol
I like the overlap style but I feel you could do it more precisely/accurately. A lot are a bit quickly done, like 00:12:690 (4,2,1) - for example and are inconsistent visually making for some awkward aesthetics. Maybe use consistent numbers, click on the coordinates and then move them relatively by a set amount for all notes, and it'd look really, really nice. wat it's just slight curve slider structure, and what overmap are you talking about, there's nothing overmapped here.
The intro feels overdone for the most part in terms of spacing imo, it should lead into the section starting at 00:10:637 (1) - as a weaker start rather than a stronger one. It'll help to emphasize the chorus better. It's expert difficulty, and it's note ven dense with jumps, i'm trying to folow guitar and drums propelly, no change here since that section is already cool imo.
00:01:953 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm having trouble understanding as to what rhythm you're following here. Vocals end halfway through the pattern, the guitar falls on each white tick, and that scratchy noise is only on beat 1 and 4. IMO this rhythm feels a bit arbitrary. As I interpret it, you start the intro by following the vocals at 00:00:690 (1,2) - , and it'd help for consistency if you continued with that. it follow the guitar peak here 00:01:957 (1,3,5) - and plays pretty well and represent the song, i can't map full jump here.
00:06:690 (5,6) - Going on, these feel a bit arbitrary as well. If you're going to map the scratchy sounds like this, why not include them at 00:01:953 (1) - or 00:02:900 (5) - 00:04:795 (3) - too? If you include it it'd help to include a few more within this section. Next I interpret this as starting with vocals: 00:05:742 (1,2,3,4) - , but then a switch to drums at 00:07:005 (1,2,3) - . I don't see any consistent focus on a few select instruments in the song, which I think you could improve a bit to help playability.i'm folowing guitar here, and the next one you mentionned is more based on vocals, and it's not the same rhythm, it's variety.
00:12:690 (4) - why not make these both clickable? Equally strong sounds on the head+tail. You do at 00:15:216 (3,4) - , for example.
00:26:347 - include this note perhaps since you focus on the guitar a lot?
00:37:637 (2,3,4) - It's random that you include this triple here but nowhere else. Why not 00:31:558- , or 00:32:821 - , or 00:34:005 (3) - , or 00:35:663 - , or 00:36:532 (4) - ? Not saying you necessarily need to include all of them, emphasize what you'd like, but it's weird in gameplay when you only express one. Also, imo, I disagree with the flow between 00:37:637 (2,3) - , since the strong beat falls on (4) it'd be cool to make the flow emphasis fall there as well by making 3 like this instead: http://puu.sh/wLqku/8df23bf93b.jpg
I'd also like to see some more of 00:37:953 (4) - become clickable due to the equally strong beats.
00:39:058 (3) - So here, going off of the drums, this should be both clickable. If you're going off of the vocals, then shouldn't 00:39:690 (1) - be a slider to be held out? prefer get rhythmn like that to emphasis kicks and vocals
00:44:268 (6,7) - Seeing vocal emphasis here, but nowhere at 00:41:111 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - feels inconsistent. I think it'd be better if you incorporate more rhythms from the vocals into the first section here to make this overall part more consistent and easy to follow.
00:42:690 - (that timestamp tho) could you maybe put a sliderend here? This sound feels a bit downplayed imo. prefer a break here than slider end
00:47:347 (4,5) - More subjective, but this sort of motion is really sharp, playing it like this instead: http://puu.sh/wLo9e/f2087d8229.jpg would put more emphasis on the downbeat rather than the 1/4 kick and thus making the vocals feel stronger in gameplay. hmm prefer my pattern tbh, it's not so hard
00:53:742 (1,2,3,4) - Love the idea here, but the placement feels a bit uncomfortable. It doesn't stand out much in terms of other elements of the map and doesn't feel special by how the flow goes. Giving it some unique difference would make this a lot cooler. it plays well wot
00:59:268 (3) - Feel you could make head+tail here clickable instead following vocals in priority here
01:06:373 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This feels overemphasized, not a fan of the spacing increase in this part of the map. It doesn't really fit at this point in the song seeing as it is the biggest jump pattern in the difficulty, IMO it'd be better elsewhere. I think a pattern like this would be better represented at 01:09:374 (2,3,4,5,1) - where the vocals grow in intensity and peak at the highest point in the song. I think the spacing here would be better reflected as something like 01:07:953 (2,3,4,5,6) - .
01:09:374 (2,3,4,5,1) - Going with the previous point, this feels underdeveloped in contrast although the vocals are so strong in comparison, I think you could do more to make this stand out more than the previous two measures.
01:25:163 (4) - compare to 00:19:479 (1) - , same sound across sections would be nicer as same rhythm.

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Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-23T16:40:28+00:00

all updated!
fixed instead of janpai. since she's busy IRL, i guess!

Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-07-23T18:49:27+00:00

hey! rechecking, few more things, sorry

fix the little tidbit in the easy

@pkhg 00:16:167 (2) - could use a whistle, extremely quiet rn. last complaint is just the 3/2 gaps at 01:07:483 (8) - , the map feels really empty given how strong the vocals are at this point, and the stop and go motion just doesn't fit it

@sotarks in regards to the overlaps, it was more nitpicky if anything but it's nothing major so i'll just leave it at that. i'm relatively okay with your diff for now i guess, but i really don't like the jump patterns at 01:06:377 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - . they work better than before, but they're just pretty poor design and i know you can do something more interesting than this. even then, spacing between objects within the pattern weren't done consistently: http://puu.sh/wR8yX/5b58a7d598.jpg would really like to see some more work here before i push this forward

@kanto i don't think some of your fixes went through, DS wasn't fixed at 00:40:795 (8) - for example. http://puu.sh/wR8AU/3174c8fb63.jpg
Your timing point and preview point are inconsistent due to timing changes so please get that fixed

alright, after this i think im happy with the set overall, so call me back for a bubble when these things get addressed.

KantoKun

1,114 posts

Joined December 2011

KantoKun 2017-07-24T09:45:29+00:00

blame me . please

hue hue

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Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-24T09:48:33+00:00

ok updated, waiting for pkhg and sotarks!!

pkhg

2,507 posts

Joined May 2010

pkhg 2017-07-25T16:01:09+00:00

Plaudible wrote:
@pkhg 00:16:167 (2) - could use a whistle, extremely quiet rn. it has a finish rn :eyes:
last complaint is just the 3/2 gaps at 01:07:483 (8) - , the map feels really empty given how strong the vocals are at this point, and the stop and go motion just doesn't fit it spacing and density arent the only way to emphasise stuff. strictly following vocals is what im doing to emphasise them

just in case

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Tags:mugiwarasekai pkhg janpai sotarks kantokun カヌレと canelé to album cut version gom oji 海賊王 shito cake atsyuk! ヤマコ
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Plaudible

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Plaudible 2017-07-25T17:06:59+00:00

pkhg wrote:

Plaudible wrote:
@pkhg 00:16:167 (2) - could use a whistle, extremely quiet rn. it has a finish rn :eyes: think i switched it off on accident then, mb
last complaint is just the 3/2 gaps at 01:07:483 (8) - , the map feels really empty given how strong the vocals are at this point, and the stop and go motion just doesn't fit it spacing and density arent the only way to emphasise stuff. strictly following vocals is what im doing to emphasise them they aren't, but since you are following the vocals strictly like this, given that it's the strongest part in the song arguably, shouldn't the intensity be more represented somehow? The spacing and density are hardly noticeable in contrast to the rest of the chorus, and in gameplay it feels downplayed, if anything. if you could make it stand out more in density/spacing that'd be better imo. for reference, look at the difficulty strain here: http://puu.sh/wSN9z/0ee725b02d.png the timestamps for the spikes around the middle are 1:06 and 1:12, which are surrounding those strong vocals

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unsnapped objects now, seems to be in multiple diffs

pkhg

2,507 posts

Joined May 2010

pkhg 2017-07-25T17:45:57+00:00

i highlighted that section by strictly following vocals as i said. It doesnt need to be objetively hard like how that program shows
you said "The spacing and density are hardly noticeable in contrast to the rest of the chorus" what is noticeable here is the rhythm. the rest of the map has a kind of mixed rhythm between drums and vocals but im only mapping vocals here, i guess everyone can notice that while playing and thats what im aiming for

pls fix unsnapped things for me mugi :eyes:

Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-07-25T17:49:30+00:00

alright then, good enough for me

once Sotarks responds and snapping issues are fixed we should be good to go

Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-25T18:08:10+00:00

okay updated unsnapped things+pkhg's diff, waiting for sotarks 👀

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-07-26T12:53:55+00:00

waiting for me

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osu file format v14

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Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-26T13:13:26+00:00

okay all is updated waiting for plaudible now

Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-07-26T19:25:27+00:00

alright then

looking great guys, good luck!

Irohas

1,353 posts

Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-07-26T19:26:42+00:00

thanks

pkhg

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Joined May 2010

pkhg 2017-07-27T02:28:48+00:00

hyp e

KantoKun

1,114 posts

Joined December 2011

KantoKun 2017-08-02T16:16:37+00:00

Summon Irohas!!!

pishifat

osu! Paragon

3,802 posts

Joined August 2013

pishifat 2017-08-07T23:37:36+00:00

kkanto
00:41:115 (1,3,4,5) - should pay attention to how stacks ruin your pattern

would want to move 345 down and to the right by 7 units

sotark
00:56:115 (1) - cymbal crash finish would be better than a bass drum finish cuz songggggg

sotarks 00:30:536 (6) - janpai 01:16:009 (2) -pkhg 00:00:378 (1) - tail should be silenced. stands out a lot when song is so quiet

pkhg
00:01:799 (3) - 00:04:325 (6) - think you should keep 1/4 sliders to only 00:03:220 (1,2) - these fancy things. otehrwise seems like you're using them as a replacement for circles instead of emphasizing sounds in a different way

hard
00:05:115 (1) - tail clap
00:09:062 (3,4,1) - feel like you uh forgot hitsounds or something lol. like i'd assume these would be claps

normal
00:09:378 (3) - should have the same snare clap as 2 tbh

call me back!!!

Irohas

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Joined May 2014

Topic Starter

Irohas 2017-08-08T09:09:45+00:00

okay fixed all of mine waiting for gders, thanks pishi!!

pkhg

2,507 posts

Joined May 2010

pkhg 2017-08-08T15:46:51+00:00

fixed all
pkhg 00:00:378 (1) cant add greens befor red lines : (

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Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-08-08T16:58:55+00:00

fixed all

pishi qualify master race

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