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Foxtrot
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Foxtrot
There's plenty of people who want to have that job, what are you on about?
they want it because it sounds fun, but they don't realize that being a good mod is not fun, no matter which board. of course the idea sounds attractive, but do they actually want it? and even if they do, they can't guarantee doing a good job.

Those people asked for the position, got the position and are responsible for their own reputation within the community. If they do a shit job at it, they earn their own reputation based on it.
That's why mods who did a decent job aren't disrespected in the same manner these new ones are.
true, but that doesn't mean mods should be given no respect from the getgo, like OP was suggesting.

Point is null and void because of the first line up there being wrong, but is even more so because mods here are absolutely sad examples of "hard work". On other forums I'd agree with you on that point, but not here.
and that's because the mods that we have right now didn't apply with the idea of taking care of OT. give them some lax. they didn't know how OT works (i don't know if they do now), but then again there was nobody else was here to moderate this place. imagine if there was no Stefan or Flanster locking all those bad threads. they did their best to weed out the worst, and they have failed at times to do so. don't forget that they're human too. i used to be mad at them, but now i'm just sad that they have to deal with such childish kids. i'm sure they did their hard work in other sections of the forum though.

If we don't respect them they did something inherently wrong. I don't have an opinion on most mods, meaning that I'm going to approach them with some standard respect (as for pretty much any person I don't know) until they do something that makes me lose it.
Then again, it's the mismatch between respecting the rules and respecting moderators. If I respect the rules I'm not going to start to break the law just to troll that stupid idiot that incidently happens to have moderator privileges.
when i said "if you expect mods to respect you, then respect them back", it also counted vice versa. if the mods go out of their way to disrespect the users, then they shouldn't expect respect. my point was that mods deserve BASIC respect just like any other human being. some mods deserve less, and some mods deserve more, and it all depends on what they have done and if they're trying to repent themselves. no need to spit towards their way if they're trying to fix what they have wronged, either.

And on the mods that are not fitting. Well, I'm not going to blackmail by name, you can do 1+1 here but there is a certain NL mod that consistently came over to #german to casually talk in english there and wouldn't stop in spite of several people asking him to either try and communicate in german (he has german at school and understands half of the stuff written in the channel so this is actually a sensible request).
Add the following situation:
200k player asks in german in #help how to improve faster, I check his profile and tell him (also in german) to play less big bleck and more easier maps because he has sub90% weighted accuracy and over 300 playcount on big bleck and airman. 200k guy becomes vocal and starts insulting me because i'm giving trash advice. That mod comes in and calls me out.
I'm like "okay, if the mod doesn't want me to support in this channel, i'm gonna leave, but i know for sure that HE is not going to answer noob questions"
then you should report them instead of gossiping about it, mmhh? i mean, if you have the evidence, then you might as well do it.
Zain Sugieres
579 posts
Joined January 2013
Zain Sugieres
I should've been accepted as GMT

also you are all retarded
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani
they want it because it sounds fun, but they don't realize that being a good mod is not fun, no matter which board. of course the idea sounds attractive, but do they actually want it? and even if they do, they can't guarantee doing a good job.
That still doesn't change the fact that many people want the job, which clashes with your initial statement that barely anyone applies for the position.


true, but that doesn't mean mods should be given no respect from the getgo, like OP was suggesting.
Oh, no, I was just responding to your lines. Enetro is a fucking dickwad so I don't really take him seriously. Your statements are the point of our discussion here.


and that's because the mods that we have right now didn't apply with the idea of taking care of OT. give them some lax. they didn't know how OT works (i don't know if they do now), but then again there was nobody else was here to moderate this place. imagine if there was no Stefan or Flanster locking all those bad threads. they did their best to weed out the worst, and they have failed at times to do so. don't forget that they're human too. i used to be mad at them, but now i'm just sad that they have to deal with such childish kids. i'm sure they did their hard work in other sections of the forum though.
Well, we should blame whoever is responsible for hiring mods, then. I'm not going to start respecting people like Stefan for reasons that go beyond his moderation skills, but I'm not going to blame him in this situation IF he indeed didn't apply for modding OT. Instead, I'm going to put that argument towards his superiors who don't give a shit about proper moderation of this place.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
as far as respect goes: nobody "deserves" your respect. this does not however make your respect a commodity that people must be aware of attaining, because in reality, who gives a fuck about what you think?
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
Oh god, Eph, I'm not surprised about the denial. I got more lose in my behaviour here in osu! and I simply applied to make an offer. I also didn't try to make myself appear as the best person in my application because I know that's not gonna help you at all.
It was the same for the other forum I moderated, I already mentioned in my app for that one that I would probably drop out at month X to focus on the begin of university.

I'm also very aware that people don't become mods because they seek power. There is a reason why I would usually think of mods as people who know more about the stuff at hand than the average guy and being approachable and supportive in general. You can't really deny the supportive part of my activity within the community either so please don't think I'm not aware of that.
I'm arguing from the power/rules/respect standpoint in this conversation because I truly think that titles don't matter and should never ever be a reason to behave differently in front of a certain person than usual.
even though you worked hard to deserve that title?
^important part of that sentence
ptar124
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ptar124
now I'm cringing at the fact that I even tried applying to GMT lmfao

Ephemeral wrote:

if anything, it makes me wonder why you stopped there, or if you're already a mod somewhere else, why aren't you giving them all of your attention instead?
I do give a lot of attention to the places I do moderate, but still, thanks for slapping some sense into me to not think about power. Reminds me of the time when someone spam p***/music ads into that place. I and another mod took care of that in like a few minutes.

Endaris wrote:

Personally I even volunteered specifically to take care of forum instead of chat mostly (like Brian) and pointed out how some sectons of the forum are literally unmoderated but looks like I can't be trusted with power 8)
but with that, yeah Endaris does have a point. There are WAY too many unmoderated places in osu, especially language-specific channels/subforums like how there are literally no Thai moderators and someone named jameyou001 wreaked havoc in irc for dozens of times last year. We reported him, guess what, you can't read Thai, so didn't do anything. New players were driven away and regulars(like me) failed miserably to chase him away with counter-trolling without the help of a mod. #thai stayed like that for months, either deserted or full of real cancer (not the joking kind of cancer like OT) until people slowly came back.

I don't want power, I want to help, and if this happens again, I will really lose respect for moderators.
Aurani
762 posts
Joined January 2013
Aurani

Ephemeral wrote:

as far as respect goes: nobody "deserves" your respect. this does not however make your respect a commodity that people must be aware of attaining, because in reality, who gives a fuck about what you think?
No one is really obliged to give a fuck about anyone or anything - we're not discussing the tangibility someone's respect here, but you are right about respect not being a commodity mods should strive to obtain like some kind of currency. We're discussing what the consequences are of being a shit mod vs being a good mod.
Foxtrot
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Foxtrot
That still doesn't change the fact that many people want the job, which clashes with your initial statement that barely anyone applies for the position.
then let me rephrase that since i obviously didn't clarify myself enough. when i said that nobody wanted to do that shit job, i meant that nobody wants to do what mods actually do. when people think of OT mods, they usually think of somebody who just fucks around with the rest of them. i'm not saying that they're not allowed to have fun, but they mustn't forget about the clerical work. makes sense?

Well, we should blame whoever is responsible for hiring mods, then. I'm not going to start respecting people like Stefan for reasons that go beyond his moderation skills, but I'm not going to blame him in this situation IF he indeed didn't apply for modding OT. Instead, I'm going to put that argument towards his superiors who don't give a shit about proper moderation of this place.
i guess it makes sense for you not to respect the mods here since you mostly frequent this forum, and they have done a bad job at moderating it. i don't like how they treated this place, but i've seen Flanster modding the #osu chat and i think he does a good job at it, whereas Stefan seems pretty respectable in the modding community.

Oh, no, I was just responding to your lines. Enetro is a fucking dickwad so I don't really take him seriously. Your statements are the point of our discussion here.
sorry, i usually try to follow the OP in discussion threads no matter where the conversation leads.
Aurani
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Joined January 2013
Aurani
then let me rephrase that since i obviously didn't clarify myself enough. when i said that nobody wanted to do that shit job, i meant that nobody wants to do what mods actually do. when people think of OT mods, they usually think of somebody who just fucks around with the rest of them. i'm not saying that they're not allowed to have fun, but they mustn't forget about the clerical work. makes sense?
Absolutely. I like when you clarify your points, even though you don't have to.


i guess it makes sense for you not to respect the mods here since you mostly frequent this forum, and they have done a bad job at moderating it. i don't like how they treated this place, but i've seen Flanster modding the #osu chat and i think he does a good job at it, whereas Stefan seems pretty respectable in the modding community.
If they are respected within their community, power to them, I suppose. Every person reaps what they sow.


sorry, i usually try to follow the OP in discussion threads no matter where the conversation leads.
My apologies, then.
Endaris
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Endaris
The mildly fun thing is how there is more than 1 BAT-member that got sentenced to a lifetime in jail later on.
It is of utmost importance to notice that the deciding factor for administrative positions (not only in osu!) is not qualification but being in the correct place at the correct time. That is how these people became BAT-members in the first place or how Ephemeral became Lord Farquaad.
In a parallel university I might have not dropped osu! after my initial installation to return after 5 years and I'd be a famoose GMT/mapper/whatever now because staff wasn't crowded with cool, german-speaking people yet, causing the entrance requirements to be lower (not to mention that I was a lot more concerned about appearing as impolite or stupid back then).
Aurani
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Joined January 2013
Aurani

Endaris wrote:

In a parallel university
http://parallel-university.org/
Endaris
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Endaris
Oh god that typo xD
B1rd
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B1rd
Alight, let's go over some generalised statements in this thread:

"Moderating is a shit job"

No, not really. If that were the case, then 75% of people wouldn't want to do it. I have no experience with higher administrative levels, but moderating a simple forums like OT is not difficult at all. People like to mod because they like to move up in the "power hierarchy" so to speak, but because they view it that way, it's why most people aren't good mods.

"golden rule"

The golden rule is to treat others as you want to be treated. Not respect everyone regardless. I don't expect to be treated with respect if I'm doing a shit job at something, rather I'd expect other people to call me out on my behaviour so I can change it.


Regarding my experiences with mods, I've never found any mods, besides one or two like Brian that I like. I tend to find that the job of moderating attracts a certain type of person, and that person doesn't treating modding like a responsibility - which it is - but rather treats is like being "the boss", and this really is a cancerous attitude. As I've stated before, moderating, for the most part, isn't a difficult job. However what is very important above all that the moderator develops the right philosophy for moderating. Since we've been talking about Biblical concepts, let my bring out another one:

"But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves." -Luke 22:26

And from my experience, most moderators cannot do the simply task of doing an objective evaluation of how to moderate to most benefit the community without inserting their ego. That is as it is, I don't respect most mods, and I hold them to a higher standard than I do for most people.
Aurani
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Joined January 2013
Aurani
It's definitely not as black and white as you make it out to be, Birdman.

The respect mods get from moderating comes from more than just doing a good job, but it is in a way tied to it.
To explain, you stated that only a certain type of people are fit to rule, which is completely correct, however, you have not explained correctly WHAT makes the right type of person. The right guy is the guy who has experience, charisma and the proper personality to do the job. Someone who can act with authority without squashing the ones below him with his delusions of grandeur.
With the right type of person comes the right amount of respect, automatically.

Eph said how respect is not something that anyone should look to attain like some form of currency, but it IS a fairly good indicator of how good you fit into the professional environment, regardless of the position.

With that being said, my original point was that you shouldn't rule out the "being a boss" as some kind of negative, because a healthy amount of authority is most definitely needed to rule the rats and people alike.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
it's a shit job. most people (99.9% or something like that probably, you could calculate it exactly by taking staff+gmt and posing it against the rest of the playerbase) don't want to do it, or they'd be doing it already. you feel responsible for other people's enjoyment, and yet you're acutely aware that you essentially get to decide who participates and who doesn't, and doing that with a clear head in some circumstances is very difficult, and never fun.

i wont deny that there's more than a small portion of being in the right place at the right time as far as becoming a moderator is concerned, but the good news about that sort of stuff is if you're not blisteringly fucking stupid, you can generally see where the right place is, and figure out when the right time is. i saw a huge need for people skilled in discussing things and being proactive with issues 8 years ago when i started playing, so i got off my ass and started getting involved. easy as shit. if you're not doing this, you're not fit for the position.

call it sycophantry or w/e you like, but it's just being smart as far as i'm concerned.

it's pretty shitty to lowkey hint at the "cool, mostly german staff" as being a product of a certain someone's preference when in fact all of the people who are indeed the "cool, mostly german staff" work their fuckin asses off to make sure you dudes have content to play.

it's all the same with people, unfortunately. covet what you don't have, and pin what others do have on circumstances that are beyond their control to make yourself feel better about how empty your life is
roshan117
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roshan117
they take time out of their day to keep us all in line and they dont even get paid, why would you not have respect for them


inb4 tae comments about how i "made OT super shitty, you dont deserve to be here" like she has before
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Aomi
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Aomi

roshan117 wrote:

they take time out of their day to keep us all in line and they dont even get paid, why would you not have respect for them
apparently they didnt do a good enough job since youre still here
DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro
Please, let's try to get back on-topic here.

roshan117 wrote:

inb4 tae comments about how i "made OT super shitty, you dont deserve to be here" like he has before
I don't think (s)he should say that, imo it's 1v2m i guess...

roshan117 wrote:

they take time out of their day to keep us all in line and they dont even get paid, why would you not have respect for them
you know what? ...ok. this is just pure bias against Flanster for locking my threads. but mod-bashing? why should that not be a thing? imo if mods don't like they can just ignore it. :kms:

I guess i'll respect mods (good ones of course) from now on.
Tae
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Tae

roshan117 wrote:

inb4 tae comments about how i "made OT super shitty, you dont deserve to be here" like she has before
Not quite. You've improved from how you used to be, so you've moved down the hitlist a considerable amount.
roshan117
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roshan117

Aomi wrote:

roshan117 wrote:

they take time out of their day to keep us all in line and they dont even get paid, why would you not have respect for them
apparently they didnt do a good enough job since youre still here
quit confoosin me wit te pronounz :(
DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro
roshan please keep this on-topic
Railey2
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Railey2
@b1rd: Saying that 75% wanting to moderate somehow proves that moderating is a good job is completely wrong.

Consider this;

- people might only be thinking that they want to moderate, but when they start moderating they quit pretty soon cause it wasn't what they thought it would be.

- people are drawn to the role as a moderator not for the works sake, but for the sake of the increased status that comes with being a mod.

- people might like power, but trust me that most people do not like work.

Conclusion:
Pertaining to mod-work, what people think they want seems to only be mildly correlated with what they actually want. The reasons being: Most people only have a desire for things that come with being a mod rather than a desire for actual mod work + wrong conceptions of what mod work is actually like (tedious, unpaid)
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Endaris
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Endaris
What I don't understand is why you're taking everything with so much salt, Eph. I said it already and I will say it again: I'm not disappointed or surprised at all by the outcome of the applications. My expectation from the app was that Pawsu gets in and if that wouldn't have happened I would have laughed about those apps really hard.
I'm generally happy with my situation (aside from the fact that I don't have enough time to spend on mapping to make satisfying progress without ditching a lot of my other activities in osu!).

Please notice that the hint on the cool german staff people who ARE doing a lot was merely pointing towards "the ratio of supply and demand for german GMTs is on a level that will make it much harder to get into GMT because you're not adding someone because you really need a moderator for that neglected language channel".
I know that most of them are listed as QAT and not bound to actually doing moderation work but I know for a fact that some of them DO it actively and also that #german is generally well monitored and it's easier to get someone for a critical case who can read the language and has the power to act
I don't get from where you got the interpretation that I am suspecting any kind of nation-favoritism in staff selection. Like, what the actual fuck. Read my posts again, this stupid assumption comes from you, not from me. I'm going to let it pass because I can see how certain people would drop such shitty hints and you probably got confronted with such people more than once but know that I'm not going to accept if you keep putting words into my mouth.

Last but not least, it should be noted (and even be obvious?) that I brought the example with banned BATs to portray the change of requirements over time (same context as the cool german people above). It was definitely not to cry about missed opportunities, what the fuck, Eph, how much bleach did you have to drink to only assume the worst things from people?
DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro
Time to silence myself for two weeks.
(Until Aug 2 11:49A HST)
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Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
the bitter draught of experience is far more potent than bleach unfortunately
Railey2
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Railey2

DJ Enetro wrote:

Time to silence myself for two weeks.
Maybe pose a question that doesn't have an "it depends"-answer next time? That would be a step in the right direction.

Is it ok to punch someone in the face? Bla bla bla



This thread could make for an interesting topic, but with an opening post like that you just set it up for disaster, as you can see it unfolding on the first page.
Endaris
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Endaris
I was about to make a funny comment on this but then I realised that it is too sad to make fun of.
Hang in, gull, the sun is shining for you too.
Aurani
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Aurani
This thread is now a thread about the Roman heating system - hypocaust.

Hypocausts were heating systems that distributed the heat from an underground fire throughout a space beneath the floor. The heat was absorbed by the floor and then radiated into the room above. The effect on thermal comfort must have been similar to that of a modern-day hot water or electricity-based radiant floor heating system. The Roman hypocaust was characterised by its under-floor flue passages, created by small pillars bearing the floor's paving slabs. Sometimes, the heat was also fed through cavities in the walls before escaping from the building, thereby warming up the walls, too.

The Romans were not the first to develop a heating system in which the heat from a fire was fed under the floor from one side of a room to the other. The Chinese kang and dikang, the Korean ondol and the Afghan tawakhaneh were based on similar principles and date back to even earlier times. What's more, the Romans probably learned the technology from the Greeks. Nevertheless, it was the Romans who developed the hypocaust into a more sophisticated heating system, especially in their public bath houses, which were built all across Europe and around the Mediterranean.



The picture above is the picture of a defective hypocaust, as it lacks a floor above to heat and as you can see, it also lacks proper walls.
This type of shoddy building is generally attributed to the Brits, who largely lived in feces and never figured out what a brain is used for.
B1rd
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B1rd

Ephemeral wrote:

it's a shit job. most people (99.9% or something like that probably, you could calculate it exactly by taking staff+gmt and posing it against the rest of the playerbase) don't want to do it, or they'd be doing it already. you feel responsible for other people's enjoyment, and yet you're acutely aware that you essentially get to decide who participates and who doesn't, and doing that with a clear head in some circumstances is very difficult, and never fun.

i wont deny that there's more than a small portion of being in the right place at the right time as far as becoming a moderator is concerned, but the good news about that sort of stuff is if you're not blisteringly fucking stupid, you can generally see where the right place is, and figure out when the right time is. i saw a huge need for people skilled in discussing things and being proactive with issues 8 years ago when i started playing, so i got off my ass and started getting involved. easy as shit. if you're not doing this, you're not fit for the position.

call it sycophantry or w/e you like, but it's just being smart as far as i'm concerned.

it's pretty shitty to lowkey hint at the "cool, mostly german staff" as being a product of a certain someone's preference when in fact all of the people who are indeed the "cool, mostly german staff" work their fuckin asses off to make sure you dudes have content to play.

it's all the same with people, unfortunately. covet what you don't have, and pin what others do have on circumstances that are beyond their control to make yourself feel better about how empty your life is
Okay. I have no idea what you can say your first statement when everything else you have said contradicts that. You said that you denied 85% of people applying to be GMT. And that's only the people who applied, a lot of people wouldn't bother because they wouldn't think they had a chance. If you want to see how many people are willing to actually be a mod, ask a random person if they want to be, and I guarantee that a large percentage will say yes.

Is a mod responsible for other people's enjoyment? No. A mod is responsible for creating an environment where people can enjoy themselves without any unnecessary troubles affecting people's enjoyment. Such as spamming or harassment. And if we compare a forum to real life social situations: how many times do you need to get the police involved because someone is bothering you? Rarely ever. Of course you might respond that an anonymous forum doesn't have the same consequences for bad behaviour as real life, and that's true to an extent, but the fact remains that in general people don't stay where they're not wanted, and if they are wanted then there's no reason for a moderator to take action. It's self evident that a community self-regulates, and forceful intervention by a moderator is rarely necessary.

And why don't I respect mods? Isn't is obvious just by your conduct in this thread? As I have already mentioned, a mod's job is that of a servant, not as a ruler, but that's not how most mods act. Here you are, acting as if yourself and your buddies are God's gift to mankind. I have dealt with mods a lot, and the large majority have an elitist attitude; they're not interested in helping the users. They will go banning and silencing at a whim, yet actually getting help from one is like getting water out of a stone. As you have mentioned, the way to become a mod is not through virtue but through sycophancy. Drawing some parallels between mods and politicians, it's often said that politicians don't have any particular talent for ruling, but for keeping and holding office, and there is truth in that when it comes to mods as well.


Railey2 wrote:

@b1rd: Saying that 75% wanting to moderate somehow proves that moderating is a good job is completely wrong.

Consider this;

- people might only be thinking that they want to moderate, but when they start moderating they quit pretty soon cause it wasn't what they thought it would be.

- people are drawn to the role as a moderator not for the works sake, but for the sake of the increased status that comes with being a mod.

- people might like power, but trust me that most people do not like work.

Conclusion:
Pertaining to mod-work, what people think they want seems to only be mildly correlated with what they actually want. The reasons being: Most people only have a desire for things that come with being a mod rather than a desire for actual mod work + wrong conceptions of what mod work is actually like (tedious, unpaid)
And as I've already mentioned, being a mod isn't a whole lot of work. And it might be said that the increased status and pleasure from wielding authority is a lot more common a motivator than a genuine desire to better a community. It's also apparent that nepotism - not technically the right word but you know what I mean - is just as important - if not more - than merit. Because the people who decides whether someone is a mod or not aren't the people whom the mod servers, i.e. the userbase, but people above in the hierarchy who are actually in the same group as the mods. It's like cops deciding if other cops have abused their power. It's apparent form many real-world examples that that doesn't work out very well.
abraker
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abraker
Sometimes I wonder why applied while knowing I am not active enough through osu! to even be considered. I didn't even make any community related events/things. I guess it's that try even if you don't think so mentality, but that also makes me wonder if I just wasted their time and shouldn't have bothered.
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B1rd
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Aurani wrote:

This thread is now a thread about the Roman heating system - hypocaust.
Was this a precursor to the holocaust - the German heating system?
Aurani
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Aurani
That's exactly why I like you, Bird.

It makes me wonder, though, what ARE the requirements for becoming a mod of this godforsaken place? I've only seen what vaguely reads as "only the best are selected", but best at what? Drinking piss out of a jar dangling from the tooth of a bear? Do you have to ask someone directly what the criteria are, or do you just apply and take a shot in the dark?
Endaris
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Endaris
Based on what made me be 100% sure that Pawsu would pass GMT apps:

Pawsu was #1 duplicate finder in feature requests but half of the found dupes never got moved
Pawsu is very helpful, frequently helping people in #help and Help
Pawsu is very active
Pawsu is nice, humble and actively trying to expand her knowledge

I mean she got added to the Support Team instead, but that was her own wish and it also fit the best based on her occupations.
The main thing that convinced me was really the activity, huge interests in helping users, big knowledge and the absolute role model behaviour in terms of language and interaction overall. Especially the last thing sets her apart from other active users that I personally consider as most valuable community members like Deimos and others.
She was already doing the job of a moderator better than most without being one.
Aurani
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Aurani
How do you explain other mods, then? I'm sure there are more than one who act like complete children (immaturity should be the number 1 red flag in apps), have absolutely disgraceful behaviour when it comes to helping others, etc.

The one good guy I can and will ALWAYS support is deadbeat. He's a shining beacon when it comes to being a rolemodel, as he possesses both kindness and knows how to hold a certain degree of authority at the same time, all while finding enough time to help others whenever he can.
I'm guessing that's why he's in such a high position.
roshan117
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roshan117
:P

Aurani wrote:

That's exactly why I like you, Bird.

It makes me wonder, though, what ARE the requirements for becoming a mod of this godforsaken place? I've only seen what vaguely reads as "only the best are selected", but best at what? Drinking piss out of a jar dangling from the tooth of a bear? Do you have to ask someone directly what the criteria are, or do you just apply and take a shot in the dark?
I actually asked Stefan about this one time (about how he became GMT), and he told me that you become GMT by various people in the community recommending that you become GMT
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kai99
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Foxtrot wrote:

my point here is, everyone deserves respect on the same level. some mods deserve more respect depending on their experiences and history
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abraker
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roshan117 wrote:

and he told me that you become GMT by various people in the community recommending that you become GMT
You win osu! by getting the popular vote whether it's becoming GMT, ranking a map, or being a player everybody cares about.
Railey2
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B1rd, everything you said about "nepotism" and the like is completely irrelevant to what i wrote to call you out on your incorrect claim.

So I am going to say it again, please try staying on topic this time.



You say that 75% wanting to be mods proves that mod work isn't hard.
My counter argument was that many people only want to be mods for status and power, not because they like mod-work. Of the 75%, which is already an unrealistically high number, you can not expect everyone to like mod-work.

Mod work is easy in the sense that it doesn't require a shitload of expertise or an IQ of 140+ to be done successfully.

But it is indeed a "shit job" because it's just not that rewarding. Mod work is..
1) tedious (try reading through 10 pages of shit-threads every day to see if someone broke rules, try dealing with biased reports and PMs every day. Gets old really fast)
2) unpaid
3) Aggravating, when dealing with asshats. Many people aren't exactly grateful for what you do, so there is a lot of hostility to go around

This is why is not easy work to most people. You might like the side effects of being a mod, leading to a "oh yeah being a mod is totally sweet"-feeling, but the work itself? Nah.

But what am I trying to convince you for, right? Just take Eph's word for it. He clearly knows better than you.
B1rd
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I'm going to clarify my points in my previous argument.

1) modding isn't necessarily tedious. It's not just that people may be drawn to the position for the authority, but one may like to stay in the position because they like to exercise authority over others. People who want to mod out of an altruistic desire to help their community are rarer than the first sort by nature of the fact that they don't have as strong an incentive to seek out moderating positions, since they don't desire to wield power for its own sake.

2) mods don't need to even do the job they're supposed to do because there is no pressure on them from the people whom they affect. No mod actually reads through dozens of pages to check if someone broke the rules. I have had many experiences with mods and they are very unwilling to help anyone else with problems. They're only accountable to the people above them, who have no incentive to make sure their subordinates are always doing a good job - unless they get really out of hand.
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