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55x55 - MRAZ' (feat. Larin)

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ByBy wrote:

as your req
lol dat face

[A r M i N's Easy]
*00:46:244 (3) - in this section you used 2/1 slider + note + 2 1/1 sliders and suddenly you're changing the rhythm structure, when the vocal is exactly stronger like the previous ones to be honest you can split this 2/1 slider into an 1/1 slider and an 1/1 note so you will follow much better the vocal and also you'll keep the consistency throughout the whole section before the song's chorus Since this part is different than the others why should I leave the same patterning? Here you have that guy scream: 00:40:244 - But suddenly here: he says a phrase 00:46:244 - wich in my opinion is better represented by a 2/1
*00:59:744 (4) - this should be a hitclap not a hitwhistle since here's a snare
*01:00:244 (1) - it would fit more with the song's final cymbal if you'll move the spinner's end to the 1/1 tick (i mean to 01:01:244 -) also you can add an inherited line there with 5% volume since the song is not really loud there imo removed spinner completely

clean diff

gl!
ty^^

ezek wrote:

Hello~

[Easy]
I feel there's a spread issue between Easy and Normal.
Ignoring sr, the spacing chosen on Easy make notes closer on 1/1 than it is at 1/2 spacing on Normal. Also, while on Easy there is absolutely 0 usage of 1/2 rhythm, there's many of it in Normal (1/2 should be acceptable at this BPM on repeat sliders on Easy diffs). These two factors I mentioned make the spread between the two diffs very unbalanced. See, there are people who like using 1/2 rhythm on Easy and there are people that dont. Me personally i've experienced spread issues in the past where the SR was way too high since i was using too many 1/2 rhythms. Constantly remapping the diff so that it fits the spread pissed me off so i decided to keep it simple in the future. Also Easy is for beginners right? So why is it so bad that my Easy is actually Easy? I dont want to offend you but isnt this a bit picky (really no offense i just dont know how to express it differently) because of course from a mapper / BN side this is maybe a thing worth mentioning but.. Is a beginning player really going to notice this? They just want a nice song (wich of course depends) and an Easy map to pass nothing more.
Easy is more like Beginner, which as you may already know, it's a difficulty below Easy (at least in my opinion). To fix this you would have to add some 1/2 rhythms on it + increase the main spacing from 0.9x to 1.1x. This may be a pain in the butt, so you could also rename this diff to Beginner and create something between this diff and Normal. The diff by itself is fine, but the spread doesn't feel good. See above
  1. 01:00:244 (1) - You should ask for opinions about this spinner (especially to other BNs). Personally, I believe it's too short for beginners. Besides that,
    seems you were the only one who decided to add this spinner at the end :eyes: removed that spinner
Good luck Chalwa!
thanks a lot to you two :D

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Venix
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ByBy wrote:

as your req
lol dat face

[general]
*in A r M i N's easy русский Дмитрий YouTube are missing from tags make sure to add them
*all difficulties end at different spots rip ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*disable widescreen support since there's no any sb nor video
*from 00:00:244 - to 00:16:244 - you could've mapped this section because of the guitar and of the hihats so this section is mappable to be honest (it applies for all difficulties) I don't feel like I want to map it :( This part is boooring D:

[Hard]
*00:36:244 (1,2)- maybe space them a bit more? just to look like they have their spacing increased visually speaking since they're supposed to emphasize the stronger vocal // 00:44:244 (1) - same goes here // 00:48:244 (1,2) - and so on
*00:39:744 - here's the a sound which is the vocal and is pretty prominent but you did not add anything here you can add a note here to give emphasis to that vocal instead of ignoring it, even if you wanted to leave a gap between the slider and the next note but not like this ignoring the prominent sound (i mean the vocal) I tried but it plays bad :/
*00:45:994 - and 00:46:244 - even if you wanted to leave a gap here you can at least to add a note on that 1/2 tick and 1/1 tick to emphasize properly the vocal instead of ignoring it // 00:59:994 - and 01:00:244 - same here

[Charasho]
*00:25:244 (3,4,5) - i don't know why the spacing between (3)- and (4)- is bigger than (4)- and (5)- since there the vocal is more stronger than the first pair to be honest the spacing between (4)- and (5)- should be bigger than (3)- and (4)- in order to emphasis the stronger vocal // 00:27:244 (3,4,5) - same goes here
*00:39:744 - same as I said in Hard same as I said in Hard
*00:40:244 (1,2,3) - that's literally the same thing as I said for 00:25:244 (3,4,5) - // 00:43:744 (8,9) - and here aaa
*00:43:744 (8,9) - the same thing as I mentioned in Hard
*00:50:744 (4) - I don't think this angle slider would fit here speaking of flow and movement because right after this there's a curved one and it totally breaks the flow so having this a curved slider and placed like this https://puu.sh/wD2zp/8a05759565.jpg would improve the flow to be honest but also be careful at 00:49:744 (5) - there will be an overlap after and better avoid it fixed by another way
*00:54:244 (1,2,3) - that's the only rhythm structure you used for this section, basically for whole diff so why don't change the rhythm into this one as you did before? https://puu.sh/wD2Gg/e686c19879.jpg you'll keep the consistency of rhythm usage of this section (actually of the whole diff imo lol)
*00:59:244 (6,7,8) - i know that the song and the vocal are getting more and more intense but why did you make a screen jump so suddenly? i don't see any logic behind these high jumps even if the song itself is very intense decreasing them a bit would emphasize the song's intensity properly than these screen jumps I did this because here you've high pitch jump

that's all for now! though i'm aware of the spread gap between Normal and Hard. The normal uses constant 1/2 and 1/1 while the Hard is pretty dense with 1/2s spam and fulfilled with triplets so that's what makes me worry. in rest everything is good and neat.
gl!

ezek wrote:

Hello~

[General]
I read ByBy's mod so I don't repeat the same stuff besides the following here in general~
  1. I agree with ByBy about the unmapped section. It has potential to be mapped; besides that, the song itself is already very short, so I really don't see why not to map it. explain on reply to ByBy's mod
[Hard]
  1. 00:25:744 (4) - This slider overlaps a bit with the life bar on the default skin, as you can see here
[Charasho]
  1. 00:30:244 (1,2,3,4) - This isn't even mapped in Hard and where the spinner is in every other diff, you have a 1/4 stream. I suggest to at least make these 4 circles into 1/2 sliders so players feel a more balanced rest after the 1/4 stream + using sliders could be used to represent the change in the music anyway. tbh I like how it's now
@Venix Since this wasn't a regular sized mod, you don't have to check my whole set, I'm fine with just 2-3 diffs of your choice https://osu.ppy.sh/s/550956

Good luck Chalwa!
no reply = fixed
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Shmiklak
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w fixed venix is gay
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Venix
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Shmiklak wrote:

w fixed venix is gay
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shmiklak is gay
riffy
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riffy
Did a quick irc check for the harder difficulties. I find the rhythm overgeneralized. Additionally, the cut of the mp3 file destroys any kind of variety in the song (which originally was like 120 seconds long, or so).

Additionally, the difficulty name for the Insane made no sense, so I asked the mapper to change that. The difficulty name for the normal doesn't make much sense either as the creator has already changed their name long time ago.

To whoever is going to nominate that: please doublecheck the lyrics with a Russian moderator to make sure that the "lyrics" indeed are rankable. It's nothing but insults and foul language.

IRC log
15:34 Venix: hi
15:34 Venix: mby want you mod/irc my russian song map? xD
15:35 Bakari: oh, what song?
15:36 *Venix is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1347841 55x55 - MRAZ' (feat. Larin)]
15:36 Venix: D:
15:37 Bakari: lol okay
15:38 Bakari: not a single non-insluting word
15:38 Bakari: what
15:39 Venix: mby
15:39 Venix: XD
15:39 Venix: idk russian
15:40 Bakari: then why would you map something without reading the lyrics?
15:40 Bakari: idk, probably needs a warning of some kind
15:40 Venix: ok will add it into description
15:40 Bakari: also, why is it cut?
15:41 Venix: my friend sent me dat mp3
15:41 Venix: i like how it's now
15:44 Bakari: except it's missing like half of the song and has no variety in the beat/style unlike the original
15:44 Bakari: whoever that friend is
15:44 Venix: shmik
15:44 Bakari: please tell him to stop sending this kind of mp3
15:45 Bakari: oh, yeah, that's expected from him
15:49 Bakari: anyway
15:49 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1347841 55x55 - MRAZ' (feat. Larin) [Charasho]]
15:49 Bakari: why is this one named this way?
15:49 Bakari: what does it mean?
15:51 Venix: i can change it to insane
15:51 Venix: if u want
15:51 Venix: D:
15:51 Bakari: i just wanna know why
15:51 Bakari: what does this have to do with the song where pretty much every word is an insult?
15:53 Venix: im not russian but this word isn't insult I guess
15:53 Bakari: it is translated as "good"
15:54 Bakari: the song itself has nothing to do with it
15:54 Bakari: as in
15:54 Bakari: literally nothing
15:54 Venix: ok then will change it to insane
15:54 Venix: lol
15:54 Bakari: also, who's marvollo?
15:54 Venix: shmiklak
15:54 Bakari: and why is it named marvollo's normal in that case?
15:55 Venix: i asked him
15:55 Venix: and he told me he had this nick a few days
15:55 Venix: but he use it to gds
15:55 Venix: D:
15:56 Bakari: what's his logic here?
15:56 Bakari: he changes the username
15:56 Bakari: meaning he no longer wants to be addressed this way
15:57 Bakari: yet, he keeps it for difficulties? that makes no sense whatsoever
15:57 Venix: yeah for me too
15:57 Venix: but it's his decision D:
15:58 Bakari: oh well, a different name doesn't really help him anyway
15:58 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1347840 55x55 - MRAZ' (feat. Larin) [Hard]]
15:59 Bakari: 00:24:244 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - there is no progression though the part is clearly showing pitch/intensity increase
16:00 Venix: should i increase spacing on more pitched sounds?
16:00 Bakari: how about something like gradual difficulty increase for this part?
16:00 Bakari: https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/3Zw8VPEz.jpg
16:00 Bakari: this would work
16:00 Venix: isn't that too hard for hard?
16:01 Bakari: nah, I don't think so. it's definitely easier than triplets
16:01 Venix: ok
16:01 Bakari: you can compress spacing and arrange stuff differently, as long as there's some clear progression it's all cool
16:02 Bakari: 00:33:244 (3) - 00:37:244 (3) - there is no any bass sound and this breaks the rhythm you were following before
16:02 Bakari: as well as ruining the emphasis on the following beats (4,5) which follow much stronger bass line
16:03 Bakari: tl;dr, these beats really shouldn't be clickable
16:04 Bakari: 00:45:244 (3) - same / 00:41:244 (4) - and same here
16:05 Venix: then what should i do with these circles?
16:05 Bakari: simple, try to remove them
16:06 Bakari: so, you'd have a clear focus on the stronger line of the sounds, emphasisng the song better
16:06 Venix: but I can hear strong sound here lol
16:06 Bakari: and making the rhythm feel less spammed
16:07 Bakari: yeah, except we aren't talking about just "strong sounds"
16:07 Bakari: you really have to mind the kind of sound
16:08 Venix: ok deleted them D:
16:09 Bakari: 00:50:244 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - and again, a slight difficulty increase from pattern to pattern would work better
16:11 Venix: what can I do instead? ._.
16:12 Bakari: just slowly increase the ds in each combo
16:12 Bakari: for example, start with x1.3 00:52:244 (1) -
16:12 Bakari: 00:54:244 (1) - x1.4
16:13 Bakari: as there is quite a few of those patterns repeated it should work well
16:13 Venix: oh ok
16:13 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1347841 55x55 - MRAZ' (feat. Larin) [Insane]]
16:15 Bakari: 00:30:244 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:32:244 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - there is practically no difference in spacing/object density between these too
16:15 Bakari: yet the first one is just the bass line, while the other is supported with a bunch of other tones/rhythms
16:16 Venix: ok I'll nerf that first one
16:16 Venix: I think
16:16 Venix: ok nerfed
16:17 Bakari: 00:33:244 (5) - which of the beats is stronger? 00:33:244 or 00:33:494?
16:18 Bakari: hint, the one on the red tick has more than just a snare sample, hence, it is meant to be a lot more powerful
16:19 Venix: oh
16:19 Venix: ok
16:20 Venix: 00:33:244 (5) - then i should replace this slider with circles?
16:20 Bakari: or ctrl+G 00:32:994 (4,5) -
16:20 Bakari: this is a lot like the thing I've mentioned on Hard
16:21 Venix: ok
16:21 Bakari: the same would reoccur in similar patterns
16:22 Bakari: the rhythm in these two difficulties is kind of overgeneralized as in you try to follow everything, rather than focus on a specific aspect and get more out of the song
16:23 Venix: i think i just was focused on another rythms .-.
16:23 Bakari: what rhythms were you following, in that case?
16:24 Bakari: i don't really understand you, I can't see a clear line that you'd stick to
16:24 Bakari: you shift from one thing to something different
16:24 Bakari: and that makes the rhythm feel somewhat random
16:24 Venix: there are mixed vocals D:
16:25 Venix: that mraz lyric
16:25 Bakari: well, if that's the case then you're definitely not following them with 00:45:244 (3) - stuff like this
16:25 Bakari: 00:45:244 (3,4,5) - here, compare these three
16:25 Bakari: (4) is emphasized less than (3) and (5)
16:26 Bakari: yet, out of these circles the weakest one is (3)
16:27 Bakari: 00:54:244 (1,2) - this probably needs larger distance
16:27 Bakari: as everything else around this pattern is spaced aggressively
16:28 Bakari: also, the appearance can be improved. for instance, 00:18:744 (4,5) - these have similar shapes and follow similar sounds
16:29 Bakari: basically everything suggests that they should be symmetrical, yet they are not
16:30 Venix: ok
16:31 Bakari: the song that is generally repetitive suggests a lot of visually similar patterns and consistent rhythm
16:31 Bakari: so, I'd probably focus on that
16:32 Bakari: easy is a bit overgeneralized as well, but that should probably be okay in this case
16:32 Bakari: i'll leave that up to nominating bns
16:32 Bakari: so yeah, that should be it for now
A r M i N
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A r M i N
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Shmiklak
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Shmiklak

Bakari wrote:

The difficulty name for the normal doesn't make much sense either as the creator has already changed their name long time ago.
I don't mind, if I want to use M a r v o l l o as my name for GDs I can do it like many other mappers do. For example Rizia, he uses wkyik what is also his old name, there is no rule which would forbid me this ability and just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's wrong, there are already some maps with this name. I'm not going to change it in any cases. Thank you for checking and about lyrics. There is no NSFW context, we can see a lot of maps with filthy language, it is totally acceptable in osu!
A r M i N
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A r M i N

Shmiklak wrote:

There is no NSFW context, we can see a lot of maps with filthy language, it is totally acceptable in osu!
Choroscho is nice word :)
Also i got banned for 2 Days for having a map with bad german lyrics and i also find it unfair that other mappers get through the ranking process with their bad language maps
Therefor imo bad language should be allowed
Kurai
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Kurai
[General]
  1. Maybe add a kiai in every difficulty the way Armin did in his Easy?
[Easy]
  1. 00:19:494 (4) - This circle is unnecessary as this is an Easy difficulty and there is nothing much to emphasize here. Especially since right after this pattern you have a 2/1 slider (00:20:244 (1) - ) where you omit a strong beat (00:20:744 - ).
  2. 00:23:494 (4) - Even if I understand why you want to add a 1/2 ircle here, I believe it's safer to remove it as it seems kind of forced here in an Easy difficulty.
[Normal]
  1. 00:18:244 (1,4) - Try not to make them touch because 1. it's not visually appealing and 2. the pattern looks clustered together giving somehow a feeling of suffocation.
  2. 00:23:744 - Isn't a clap missing here?
  3. 00:26:244 (1,2) - It's really weird to have to reverses on these two sliders here. Mainly because you didn't add any object on 00:24:994 - and 00:25:994 - (which is understandable) and right after that you start adding objects on those red lines. I think if you want to go crescendo to fit the song here, one reverse is more than enough as you switch from 1/1 sliders to 1/2 sliders with one reverse.
    i.e. it's better like this in my opnion:
[Insane]
  1. Try adding a spinner somewhere maybe? :x
  2. 00:58:994 (5,6,7,8) - Those jumps are a bit too much in my opinion. I don't know, do you really need to make them THAT large? x)
Larin is a sexy beast uwu
Shmiklak
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Venix
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Topic Starter
Venix

Kurai wrote:

[General]
  1. Maybe add a kiai in every difficulty the way Armin did in his Easy?
[Insane]
  1. Try adding a spinner somewhere maybe? :x I think it doesn't matter tbh XD
  2. 00:58:994 (5,6,7,8) - Those jumps are a bit too much in my opinion. I don't know, do you really need to make them THAT large? x) I think these jumps play fun, and these are suitable for that strong pitch increase
Larin is a sexy beast uwu
no reply = fixed
Thanks for mod!!
Last edited by Venix , edited 2 times in total.
A r M i N
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fixed all kurai
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Shmiklak wrote:

I don't mind, if I want to use M a r v o l l o as my name for GDs I can do it like many other mappers do. For example Rizia, he uses wkyik what is also his old name, there is no rule which would forbid me this ability and just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's wrong, there are already some maps with this name. I'm not going to change it in any cases.
That is true, but I am not labeling it as something that is rankable or unrankable. It's more so about being reasonable or unreasonable. You have given up on that name while changing it, so it clearly not the name you'd want to be used. Moreover, you have literally zero ranked sets with that name (unlike wkyik or, say, osuplayer111). So, the question remains. Is there really a reason for you to keep it?

And I still remember how hard it was to type this name in the search bar, oh man, typing in all those underscores was, indeed, a thing I hated a lot. Come on, Shmiklak is so much easier to type :р

Shmiklak wrote:

Thank you for checking and about lyrics. There is no NSFW context, we can see a lot of maps with filthy language, it is totally acceptable in osu!
However, you are missing the point here. The message of the song, if there is any, is built around insulting and abusing foul language excessively and exclusively. And that, is something, that staff might not want to allow at this point.

As for the jumps, pointed out by Kurai, I have to agree that the spacing could be reduced. I see that the whole kiai revolves around repetitive concept with sme spacing increase, but even in that context increasing spacing by this much does not feel reasonable at all. I'd say that x2.5 spacing is the limit for this part.
Venix
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Bakari wrote:

Shmiklak wrote:

I don't mind, if I want to use M a r v o l l o as my name for GDs I can do it like many other mappers do. For example Rizia, he uses wkyik what is also his old name, there is no rule which would forbid me this ability and just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's wrong, there are already some maps with this name. I'm not going to change it in any cases.
That is true, but I am not labeling it as something that is rankable or unrankable. It's more so about being reasonable or unreasonable. You have given up on that name while changing it, so it clearly not the name you'd want to be used. Moreover, you have literally zero ranked sets with that name (unlike wkyik or, say, osuplayer111). So, the question remains. Is there really a reason for you to keep it?

And I still remember how hard it was to type this name in the search bar, oh man, typing in all those underscores was, indeed, a thing I hated a lot. Come on, Shmiklak is so much easier to type :р

Shmiklak wrote:

Thank you for checking and about lyrics. There is no NSFW context, we can see a lot of maps with filthy language, it is totally acceptable in osu!
However, you are missing the point here. The message of the song, if there is any, is built around insulting and abusing foul language excessively and exclusively. And that, is something, that staff might not want to allow at this point.

As for the jumps, pointed out by Kurai, I have to agree that the spacing could be reduced. I see that the whole kiai revolves around repetitive concept with sme spacing increase, but even in that context increasing spacing by this much does not feel reasonable at all. I'd say that x2.5 spacing is the limit for this part.
good, I'm ok with x2.5
riffy
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Oh, and you forgot to update the Creator's Word after renaming the Insane.
Venix
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Bakari wrote:

Oh, and you forgot to update the Creator's Word after renaming the Insane.
ok fixed
Kurai
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Bakari wrote:

Shmiklak wrote:

Thank you for checking and about lyrics. There is no NSFW context, we can see a lot of maps with filthy language, it is totally acceptable in osu!
However, you are missing the point here. The message of the song, if there is any, is built around insulting and abusing foul language excessively and exclusively. And that, is something, that staff might not want to allow at this point.
I wouldn't say the lyrics are much of an issue here. Insults are quite common in mainstream music nowadays and the media are overwhelmed by them. I'm not saying it is a positive thing but we can't really prevent maps from being ranked because of this I think. "Artistic" choices. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Of course there should be exceptions, i.e. when the insults are towarded against someone or a (/n ethnic) group in particular inciting hatred and/or racism, when the message is a bit too political (for bad reasons), etc.
However, here, the insults are thrown at random "for the memezzz". You can find this foolish, but I don't think there is anything to be offended about.

I can bubble now but I'd like to know Bakari's opinion on what I just said first.
riffy
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Yeah, that makes sense. Besides, you, obviously, are way more experienced with moderation and addressing community issues. I'd still let Shmiklak explain their difficulty name choices, though. Don't you think that it is something illogical?
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ezek wrote:

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what a troll
Kurai
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Bakari wrote:

Shmiklak wrote:

I don't mind, if I want to use M a r v o l l o as my name for GDs I can do it like many other mappers do. For example Rizia, he uses wkyik what is also his old name, there is no rule which would forbid me this ability and just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean it's wrong, there are already some maps with this name. I'm not going to change it in any cases.
That is true, but I am not labeling it as something that is rankable or unrankable. It's more so about being reasonable or unreasonable. You have given up on that name while changing it, so it clearly not the name you'd want to be used. Moreover, you have literally zero ranked sets with that name (unlike wkyik or, say, osuplayer111). So, the question remains. Is there really a reason for you to keep it?
I discussed with Bakari and I'd actually like to have an answer to this. It's true it doesn't make much sense since sometimes you use Shmik and sometimes M a r v o l l o. Any actual reasoning behind that?
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Shmiklak
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wtf I just said you go ahead. I didn't allow you to change it. I use M a r v o l l o for all my new gds which were created this summer, I guess this can stop your questions?
Kurai
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Well, whatever, I guess you won't change your mind. Enjoy your bubble!
Namki
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ok looks like you're already fine with all stuff
this guy asked me to give an opinion but as far as I can see I'm late w/e
gl~
Venix
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Kurai wrote:

Well, whatever, I guess you won't change your mind. Enjoy your bubble!
thank you! :3
Shmiklak
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Thank you, Kurai.
riffy
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Eh, that didn't really answer my question. You've reverted the name in game, why keep it for GDs? I just fail to see any sensible reason here.
Shmiklak
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I don't see any reasons to disallow me it. Just because you don't like it, it doens't mean it's wrong. Come on, go ahead, it's okay and Kurai already bubbled it so he agrees with it.
riffy
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Interesting definitions you're using here. Again, I'm not saying it's wrong nor am I trying to veto it, yet. I just want to have a clear reason to use this particular name that you have quickly reverted and never actually used in-game. I mean, there is no actual point for you in doing that, as far as I can see. Additionally, this will damage the community as those, who have enjoyed your sets will now have an extra difficulty of finding more.

It's just a matter of being reasonable, rather than doing something just for the sake of doing it.

Note: I see it as a quality issue, and I am technically allowed to veto it by popping the bubble. Which I will do in case you have no objective reason to keep the naming.
ZekeyHache
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I agree with Bakari here. You're not giving a real reason to use that name. Basically there's no point on using it because you don't have any ranked mapset/GD with that name, so why bothering with this? Also, I can't see any artistic reason to choose it. An example of an artistic reason would be like Blue Dragon (aka Mismagius) using the name "Nogard" because it's basically "Dragon" backwards; but in your case, I see nothing. 👀

Besides that, have you looked for "M a r v o l l o" in the ranked section? You get a lot of results that doesn't even have to do anything with you, so it's better to just use your name "Shmiklak", which brings the right results. ✔️

And finally, please don't see this as an attack, we're just trying to help and have a reasonable dialogue with you. 💖

Please don't reply just saying "I don't see any reasons to disallow me it", because even though it is not technically wrong as there is no rule for it, we as beatmap nominators have to use our common sense to judge quality apart from the established rules and guidelines. 🤔

So you have to give us a real reason to keep it as it is, or just change it. 👨‍🎓
Pls don't get mad and suddenly start using an avatar of a girl with an eye patch in a black background.
Shmiklak
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at first, you can search my gds with this name by typing m_a_r_v_o_l_l_o or marvolo, I add it to all my maps. There are already some ranked maps with this name: https://puu.sh/wKkeS/e540c087dd.jpg
Also another map got bubbled with this name: t/593918/start=30
As I said before, I use M a r v o l l o for all my new GDs.
Also, you say "don't see this as an attack, we're just trying to help and have a reasonable dialogue with you." If so, then why not just understand my point of view and do not force me to change it? As we see Kurai already understood me and we all know that there is no rule which would really dissallow me to do this. I gave you reasoning which you asked me for, you said "you don't have any ranked maps with this name", I gave you these maps, you said "artistic reason", I say you I use it for new GDs, what do you need? It's actually an attack, you know it isn't a problem and if you are really gonna veto this map I am not going to change my mind, I will better just leave this set. I really hope you will understand me and stop your attack "dialogue"
riffy
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You're not answering our questtions, though. I'm vetoing it over difficulty naming being unreasonable.

Shmiklak wrote:

at first, you can search my gds with this name by typing m_a_r_v_o_l_l_o or marvolo, I add it to all my maps. There are already some ranked maps with this name: https://puu.sh/wKkeS/e540c087dd.jpg
Also another map got bubbled with this name: t/593918/start=30
As I said before, I use M a r v o l l o for all my new GDs.
yet literally every map in the list uses "Shmik's X" for naming, disproving your point. Additionally, the other set is a matter that needs to be discussed on it's own and that is something we can handle later. Oh, and all your new GDs are made under the username Shmiklak (which is ironical, in a way), which, yet again, makes no sense with what you are trying to explain.

Shmiklak wrote:

Also, you say "don't see this as an attack, we're just trying to help and have a reasonable dialogue with you." If so, then why not just understand my point of view and do not force me to change it? As we see Kurai already understood me and we all know that there is no rule which would really dissallow me to do this. I gave you reasoning which you asked me for, you said "you don't have any ranked maps with this name", I gave you these maps, you said "artistic reason", I say you I use it for new GDs, what do you need? It's actually an attack, you know it isn't a problem and if you are really gonna veto this map I am not going to change my mind, I will better just leave this set. I really hope you will understand me and stop your attack "dialogue"
We are not allowing you to do something without an objective reason to do so. Please, try to come up with an explanation that is convincing enough rather than a reasonless "i want to".

Have a great day.
Shmiklak
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You don't convice me, I want to use this name. We'll find another BNs to nominate it.
Nao Tomori
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this is weird; there are plenty, plenty of ranked maps with stupid diff names like "quib's insane" or "bor bor's hard" (on my own set) or "kamal's extra"

there is literally 0 reason to restrict his diff name choice to his name and his name only, since it's even technically rankable to not credit him in the first place and leave it in the description.

additionally, he already had that name in the past, and as you can see it is added on all of his ranked maps. the "objective reason" you want him to give doesn't exist because diff names can really be anything that shows ownership of the map; if he chooses to show it with his old name, that is definitely not a reason to veto the map.

an example of this is xexxar's recently ranked "jiyuu no hane" map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/561640 upon which kisses named his gd NK's extra (standing for Nathan Kiss, his old name.) there's nothing wrong with what's happening here at all.
Chalwa
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JUST RANK IT AND NO PROBLEM C:





joke
Venix
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Chalwa wrote:

JUST RANK IT AND NO PROBLEM C:





joke
don't shitpost xD
Nozhomi
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That's because we accepted stupid diffname before than now this kind of problem appears. Tho it don't mean we have to continue doing it the wrong way and accept everything like it was acted to be good. Totally agree with Bakari on that case.
Voli
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To be frank with you guys, I don't think anyone (besides the people now involved in ranking this map) cares about him using his previous nick for a gd. It's within his right as a gd'er to use it, as there are no rules saying he cannot.
riffy
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The fact that there is no direct rule disallowing that does not make it any more rankable, though. In this case, I'd classify that as a quality issue as there is no reasoning nor purpose behid this decision.
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