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Etsu

Joined October 2013

Etsu 2017-06-06T20:17:51+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
1234

[Etsu]

wat is happening with the OD and HP here? /*was changed not know what happened xd

00:14:738 (14738|1) - can i ask what is this LN for? its no different with - 00:17:404 (17404|2) - which is kinda inconsistent /*better change to note

00:25:404 (25404|2) - same

00:33:071 (33071|1) - remove C

00:39:738 (39738|2) - add W

00:41:738 (41738|1) - C

00:43:738 (43738|1,43904|2,44071|3) - should be C

00:49:738 (49738|0) - this shouldnt exist. refer your consistency at - 00:47:071
or else, add the note at that empty space /*remove

01:00:404 (60404|3) - same

01:07:404 - add a note to indicate percussion /*okay

01:16:071 (76071|0) - somehow its too long. compare with higher diffs /*fixed

check HS consistency once more

Thanks for the mod

Updated 7

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Tags:each primary ゆいこんぬ DustMoon Etsu
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DustMoon

430 posts

Joined June 2016

DustMoon 2017-06-09T10:20:43+00:00

No reply=Fixed
[quote="Rivals_7"]1234

[Dustmoon]

00:00:905 (905|1,1071|2,1238|3) - 4|3|2 respectively. the current stair doesnt look aesthetical-ish - 00:00:571 (571|2,655|1,738|0,905|1,1071|2,1238|3) - emmm,i changeed 00:00:571 (571|2,655|1,738|0,905|1,1071|2,1238|3) - Ctrl+hhttps://puu.sh/wf9Qv/27c5650dc8.jpg

00:18:404 (18404|1,18571|3,18738|2) - 00:21:071 (21071|1,21238|3,21404|2) - 00:26:404 (26404|0,26571|1,26738|0) - etc. you do this particular thing here but not anywhere else ex: -The sound of guitar strings and catch follow {Lie} diffhttps://puu.sh/wfa0r/f2f08f8619.jpg[url]The sound of guitar strings[/url]https://puu.sh/wfa8a/ffdb716f1d.jpg
00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - . why is that? pls be consistent this my pattern ,i try use Stream to mapping https://puu.sh/wf9U7/d257eeaabd.jpg

00:19:404 (19404|1) - and a random LN out of nowhere? this is inconsistent ok change single note

00:25:404 (25404|0,25738|0) - ?? all this time you cover the kick with singles then suddenly a note +LNs? LN means strings

00:34:071 (34071|0) - remove F

00:37:404 (37404|2,37738|2,37738|1) - 4|13 would be better ok

00:40:071 (40071|2) - remove C

00:42:738 (42738|2,42904|1) - swap position. more intuitive

very thanks

DustMoon

430 posts

Joined June 2016

DustMoon 2017-06-09T10:24:09+00:00

Lenfried- wrote:
hiii

you might run into issues because of the audio edit

normal
WARNING: Turn on 'Show Sample Name" before applying this mod

00:00:655 (655|1,738|0,905|1) - motion is kinda bad so you might want to do a 241 or a 231 combination. Moreover, 1/4ths early on a normal diff might be an issue raised during the bn check phasechange
00:43:238 (43238|1,43279|2,43321|3) - this is reallllly bad for a normal diff consider using a different patternchange
00:43:071 (43071|0,43404|0,43738|0,44071|0) - stack is a bit problematic so 00:43:738 (43738|0,43904|1) - moving to the right once should do the tricklol,runningman pattern
01:04:904 (64904|1,65071|0) - ctrl j the flow here can easily trip up playersemmm no

A major issue here is how the 1/4ths and how 1/8 sweep managed to make it into a normal diff. Please consider using something different.

Best of luck!

Thanks

Illya X Ram Li wrote:
Hello , im From Illya x Ram Li's Mania 4k modding queue [NM/M4M] [OPEN]

this NM from my queue

1 | 2 | 3 | 4

I love your HS <3

song is wasn't over yet ?

DustMoon's Normal
I think your Diff forgot much drum sound from 00:01:405 - 00:11:738
I know your Consistence with That Guitar Sounds.

00:02:071 (2071|3) add note to 4
00:03:071 (3071|1) add note to 2
00:03:404 (3404|2) add note to 3
00:04:071 (4071|2) add note to 3
00:04:738 (4738|0) add note to 1
00:05:738 (5738|1) add note to 2
00:06:071 (6071|2) add note to 3
00:08:738 (8738|3) add note to 4
00:11:404 (11404|0) add note to 1
00:29:404 (29404|3) move to 2
00:30:738 (30738|3) move to 3
00:38:071 (38071|3,38238|3,38404|0,38571|0) i think this mini jacks too Hard for new player > better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8257916,but you see00:38:071 (38071|3,38238|3) - 00:38:404 (38404|0,38571|0) - are not same sound
00:39:238 (39238|1) add note 2
01:06:071 (66071|3) add note to 4
01:07:404 (67404|2) add note to 3
01:08:738 (68738|0) add note to 1
01:10:071 (70071|2) add note to 3
01:11:404 (71404|1) add note to 2
01:12:738 (72738|3) add note to 4
01:14:071 (74071|2) add note to 3
i check,but i won't to catch durm. sorry say that
Hope this helpful

DustMoon

430 posts

Joined June 2016

DustMoon 2017-06-09T10:34:43+00:00

UPDATE

osu file format v14

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Tags:each primary ゆいこんぬ DustMoon Etsu
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dkingo

550 posts

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Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-06-09T10:44:48+00:00

DustMoon's Normal

00:19:404 (19404|1) - 00:25:404 (25404|0,25738|0) - 我的想法和rival一样，这两个LN感觉没必要

00:20:404 (20404|3,20738|2) - Ctrl+G换个位置

没其他问题了

DustMoon

430 posts

Joined June 2016

DustMoon 2017-06-09T22:39:51+00:00

dkingo wrote:
DustMoon's Normal
00:19:404 (19404|1) - 00:25:404 (25404|0,25738|0) - 我的想法和rival一样，这两个LN感觉没必要已经改成单note了

00:20:404 (20404|3,20738|2) - Ctrl+G换个位置ok

没其他问题了

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64,192,23904,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,24071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,24404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,24738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,24738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,25071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,25404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,25404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,25738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,25738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,26071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,26071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,26404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,26571,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,26738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,27071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,27404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,27404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,27738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,28071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,28404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,28738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,28738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,29071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,29238,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,29404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,29738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,30071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,30071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,30404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,30571,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,30738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,31071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,31404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,31404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,31738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,31904,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,32071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,32238,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,32404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,32738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,32738,128,8,33404:0:0:0:0:
320,192,32904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,33071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,33238,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,33404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,33404,1,4,0:0:0:0:
64,192,34071,1,12,0:0:0:0:
448,192,34071,1,12,0:0:0:0:
192,192,34404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,34404,1,4,0:0:0:0:
448,192,34904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,35071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,35404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,35404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,35738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
448,192,35738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
192,192,36071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,36404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,36738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,36738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,37071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,37404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,37738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,37738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,38071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,38238,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,38404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,38571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,38738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
320,192,38738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
320,192,39404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,39404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,39738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
448,192,39738,1,6,0:0:0:0:
320,192,40071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,40238,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,40404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,40738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,40738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,41071,1,6,0:0:0:0:
448,192,41071,1,6,0:0:0:0:
64,192,41571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,41654,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,41738,1,12,0:0:0:0:
64,192,42071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,42071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,42238,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,42404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,42571,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,42738,1,12,0:0:0:0:
192,192,42904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,43071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,43238,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,43321,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,43404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,43571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,43738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,43904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,44071,1,4,0:0:0:0:
448,192,44071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,44404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,44738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,44738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,45071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,45404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,45738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,46071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,46071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,46404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,46738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,47071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,47404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,47404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,47738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,48071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,48404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,48738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,48738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,49071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,49404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,49738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,50071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,50071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,50404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,50738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,51071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,51404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,51404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,51738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,52071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,52404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,52738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,52738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,53071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,53404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,53571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,53738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,53904,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,54071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,54071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,54404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,54571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,54738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,54738,1,4,0:0:0:0:
64,192,55404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,55404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,55738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,56071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,56404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,56738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,56738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,57071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,57404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,57738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,58071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,58071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,58404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,58738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,58904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,59071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,59404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,59404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,59738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
448,192,60071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,60404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,60738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,60738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,61071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,192,61404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,61738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,62071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,62071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,62404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,62738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,63071,1,2,0:0:0:0:
192,192,63404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,63404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,63738,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,192,64071,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,192,64404,1,2,0:0:0:0:
64,192,64571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,64571,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,64654,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,64738,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,64904,1,8,0:0:0:0:
64,192,65071,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,192,65238,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,65404,128,2,65904:0:0:0:0:
192,192,65904,128,0,66404:0:0:0:0:
64,192,66404,128,0,66904:0:0:0:0:
448,192,66904,128,0,67404:0:0:0:0:
192,192,67404,128,8,67738:0:0:0:0:
64,192,67738,128,0,68071:0:0:0:0:
448,192,68071,128,2,68571:0:0:0:0:
192,192,68571,128,0,69071:0:0:0:0:
320,192,69071,128,0,69571:0:0:0:0:
64,192,69571,128,8,70071:0:0:0:0:
448,192,70071,128,8,70404:0:0:0:0:
192,192,70404,128,0,70738:0:0:0:0:
320,192,70738,128,2,71071:0:0:0:0:
448,192,71071,128,2,71238:0:0:0:0:
64,192,71238,128,0,71738:0:0:0:0:
320,192,71738,128,0,72238:0:0:0:0:
192,192,72238,128,2,73404:0:0:0:0:
64,192,73404,128,2,73738:0:0:0:0:
448,192,73738,128,2,73904:0:0:0:0:
192,192,73904,128,0,74404:0:0:0:0:
448,192,74404,128,0,74904:0:0:0:0:
192,192,74904,128,0,75404:0:0:0:0:
64,192,75404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,192,75404,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,192,75738,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,192,75904,1,2,0:0:0:0:
448,192,76071,128,2,77404:0:0:0:0:
64,192,76071,1,4,0:0:0:0:

Rivals_7

Beatmap Nominator

2,978 posts

Joined July 2014

Rivals_7 2017-06-10T14:39:26+00:00

No reply=Fixed

[Dustmoon]

00:18:404 (18404|1,18571|3,18738|2) - 00:21:071 (21071|1,21238|3,21404|2) - 00:26:404 (26404|0,26571|1,26738|0) - etc. you do this particular thing here but not anywhere else ex: -The sound of guitar strings and catch follow {Lie} diffhttps://puu.sh/wfa0r/f2f08f8619.jpg[url]The sound of guitar strings[/url]https://puu.sh/wfa8a/ffdb716f1d.jpg
00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - . why is that? pls be consistent this my pattern ,i try use Stream to mapping https://puu.sh/wf9U7/d257eeaabd.jpg

pls........use img tag not url. also separate your reply and mine with color (fix the tag too. its too confusing for me whenever i try to recheck smh)
also that is doesnt make any sense because - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - 00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - doesnt follow "Lie" like you've explained. compare both

Fix HS first. then the pattern

[L]

00:11:738 (11738|2) - add F

00:11:738 (11738|2,11738|3) - change W

00:30:571 (30571|0) - remove W

00:32:904 (32904|2,32904|1) - change W

00:33:071 (33071|3,33071|1,33238|2,33238|0) - change C

00:35:738 (35738|3,35738|2) - change W

00:52:071 (52071|3,52071|0,52404|3,52404|0) - should not be stacked. see the rest of your pattern choice for this particular kick. for ex: - 00:49:404 (49404|0,49404|1,49738|3,49738|2) - 00:46:738 (46738|2,46738|0,47071|3,47071|1) -

00:57:404 (57404|3,57404|0,57738|3,57738|0) - ^
01:02:738 (62738|1,62738|3,63071|1,63071|3) - ^

01:14:904 (74904|1,74904|2,74904|3) - Vs - 00:10:904 (10904|1,10904|0) - what will you choose?

[Dustmoon]

00:01:405 (1405|2) - add one more note and F. cymbal

00:11:738 (11738|2) - change W

00:13:404 (13404|1) - remove W

00:20:738 (20738|3) - change C

00:34:071 (34071|3) - Remove F

00:35:071 (35071|0) - Change W

00:38:404 (38404|0,38571|0) - ^

00:40:071 (40071|2) - remove C

00:54:404 (54404|0,54571|1) - change W

00:57:404 (57404|2,57738|1) - W

01:05:071 (65071|0) - ^

01:05:404 (65404|2) - add note and F

00:19:738 - missing guitar strings. add note

00:26:571 (26571|1,26738|0) - 4|2 respectively hand balance
00:29:238 (29238|2,29404|3) - 1|3 respectively ^

00:32:738 (32738|3) - either change to note or delete it. no guitar strings

00:40:738 (40738|1,41071|0) - move to 4|2 respectively. more intuitive

00:42:738 (42738|2,42904|1) - swap position
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|0) - 4|2 respectively
to gain more hand balance

etsu's seem fine but if there's inconsistency with "Lie", should be fixed. in case you change some HS in Lie as well
i'll probably will lose my interest to nominate this if this kind of HS incocnsistency wasnt done right

dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-06-10T14:58:29+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
[L]

00:11:738 (11738|2) - add F There isn't cymbal sound

00:11:738 (11738|2,11738|3) - change W Ok

00:30:571 (30571|0) - remove W Ok

00:32:904 (32904|2,32904|1) - change W I think it's closer to C but fine

00:33:071 (33071|3,33071|1,33238|2,33238|0) - change C Ok

00:35:738 (35738|3,35738|2) - change W Ok

00:52:071 (52071|3,52071|0,52404|3,52404|0) - should not be stacked. see the rest of your pattern choice for this particular kick. for ex: - 00:49:404 (49404|0,49404|1,49738|3,49738|2) - 00:46:738 (46738|2,46738|0,47071|3,47071|1) -
00:57:404 (57404|3,57404|0,57738|3,57738|0) - ^
01:02:738 (62738|1,62738|3,63071|1,63071|3) - ^All fixed

01:14:904 (74904|1,74904|2,74904|3) - Vs - 00:10:904 (10904|1,10904|0) - what will you choose? The last one

[Dustmoon]

00:01:405 (1405|2) - add one more note and F. cymbal

00:11:738 (11738|2) - change W

00:13:404 (13404|1) - remove W

00:20:738 (20738|3) - change C

00:34:071 (34071|3) - Remove F

00:35:071 (35071|0) - Change W

00:38:404 (38404|0,38571|0) - ^

00:40:071 (40071|2) - remove C

00:54:404 (54404|0,54571|1) - change W

00:57:404 (57404|2,57738|1) - W

01:05:071 (65071|0) - ^

01:05:404 (65404|2) - add note and F

00:19:738 - missing guitar strings. add note

00:26:571 (26571|1,26738|0) - 4|2 respectively hand balance
00:29:238 (29238|2,29404|3) - 1|3 respectively ^

00:32:738 (32738|3) - either change to note or delete it. no guitar strings

00:40:738 (40738|1,41071|0) - move to 4|2 respectively. more intuitive

00:42:738 (42738|2,42904|1) - swap position
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|0) - 4|2 respectively
to gain more hand balance

etsu's seem fine but if there's inconsistency with "Lie", should be fixed. in case you change some HS in Lie as well
i'll probably will lose my interest to nominate this if this kind of HS incocnsistency wasnt done right Uploaded, also applied Lie's hitsounds into Normal and Easy by hitsounds copier, so I didn't touch your hitsounds mod for DustMoon's Normal

dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-06-12T10:33:25+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
[Dustmoon]

00:01:405 (1405|2) - add one more note and F. cymbal

00:11:738 (11738|2) - change W

00:13:404 (13404|1) - remove W

00:20:738 (20738|3) - change C

00:34:071 (34071|3) - Remove F

00:35:071 (35071|0) - Change W

00:38:404 (38404|0,38571|0) - ^

00:40:071 (40071|2) - remove C

00:54:404 (54404|0,54571|1) - change W

00:57:404 (57404|2,57738|1) - W

01:05:071 (65071|0) - ^

01:05:404 (65404|2) - add note and F

00:19:738 - missing guitar strings. add note

00:26:571 (26571|1,26738|0) - 4|2 respectively hand balance
00:29:238 (29238|2,29404|3) - 1|3 respectively ^

00:32:738 (32738|3) - either change to note or delete it. no guitar strings

00:40:738 (40738|1,41071|0) - move to 4|2 respectively. more intuitive

00:42:738 (42738|2,42904|1) - swap position
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|0) - 4|2 respectively
to gain more hand balance

Dustmoon is unable to use computer atm, he allowes me to mod this diff by his order: all applied

Rivals_7

Beatmap Nominator

2,978 posts

Joined July 2014

Rivals_7 2017-06-13T03:16:00+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
No reply=Fixed

[Dustmoon]

00:18:404 (18404|1,18571|3,18738|2) - 00:21:071 (21071|1,21238|3,21404|2) - 00:26:404 (26404|0,26571|1,26738|0) - etc. you do this particular thing here but not anywhere else ex: -The sound of guitar strings and catch follow {Lie} diffhttps://puu.sh/wfa0r/f2f08f8619.jpg[url]The sound of guitar strings[/url]https://puu.sh/wfa8a/ffdb716f1d.jpg
00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - . why is that? pls be consistent this my pattern ,i try use Stream to mapping https://puu.sh/wf9U7/d257eeaabd.jpg

pls........use img tag not url. also separate your reply and mine with color (fix the tag too. its too confusing for me whenever i try to recheck smh)
also that is doesnt make any sense because - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - 00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - doesnt follow "Lie" like you've explained. compare both

how are you going to address this one then? i didnt see this being fixed

[Lie]

00:30:571 (30571|0) - idk i think you miss W

[Dustmoon]

00:25:738 (25738|2) - uh W

00:26:571 (26571|3) - W

00:28:071 (28071|3) - ^
00:29:238 (29238|0) - ^

00:30:571 (30571|2) - missed W?

00:30:738 (30738|0) - ^

uh idk you did the copier right because the SB hitsound did not actually play the Hitsound since if you actually looking at the notepad

the volume are set to 0 . means they didnt actually play the sound

will be quite painful if you change them one by one so here's a solution. This is particularly a technique i've been using in all my recent maps.
---------------------------------

SPOILER

Remember you can view the hitsound by using "View -> Show sample name"

Before you do anything wrong. do not actually delete the original "Lie" diff for a reference to your Guitar keysound. in case you did not remember it

1. Delete all your Hitsound first. You can do this by using ctrl+a and then press W to add them, then Press W again to remove them from the chart completely. Do the same for F and C
2. Delete the SB hitsound. Press "Tab" while in the editor. you will see an orange note placed around left side. Ctrl+a and press "Delete"
3. Click Save then exit the editor. then enter the editor again.
4. Create a new Difficulty named "Hitsound"
5. Start the Hitsounding from the beginning. Do not use WCF hitsound for this time. use the original normal-hitclap, normal-hitwhistle etc to do it.
6. place a note where you want to have a hitsound. Click the note and then press "Alt+I". it'll open a new window of custom hitsounding

7. Click a hitsound that you want to apply. adjust the volume (70 or something you like). Click Apply
8. Do it over and over again for another Hitsound. you can particularly do copy paste since most of the percussion are in the same structure

now if that is done. now to use Hitsound copier
Use this HS copier -> http://puu.sh/wiwcR/2aec926ab6.rar

1. You will see "Simplify" and "Magicopy" here
2. Open your Hitsound diff on notepad
3. Copy everything on "[Hitobjects]" and paste it to "Simplify" (Delete the word "source")
4. Click "Simplify"
5. Open another diff that you want to be Hitsounded in notepad.
6. Copy-paste the hitobjects to "Simplify" (Delete the word "Target")
7. Click "Simplify"
8. Copy paste the Hitobjects on it to your diff notepad (Note: dont accidentaly Copy the word "[Hit Objects]" because it is a bug where it should be "[Hitobjects]" without space)
9. Copy paste the "//Storyboard sound samples" too. located on below the "Hitobjects"
10. click save on notepad. exit the notepad and the In-game editor. Then enter the editor again
11. Click "View -> show sample name" to see if it works.
do this for another diff as well

Easier diff usually Did not use storyboard Hitsound to avoid confusion when being hitted. when you already done copying the //storyboard sound samples to Easy and normal, you need to delete some of the Storyboard sound samples. Just some of them, not all, that you deemed might confuse players.

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-06-13T09:56:59+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
Rivals_7 wrote:
No reply=Fixed

[Dustmoon]

00:18:404 (18404|1,18571|3,18738|2) - 00:21:071 (21071|1,21238|3,21404|2) - 00:26:404 (26404|0,26571|1,26738|0) - etc. you do this particular thing here but not anywhere else ex: -The sound of guitar strings and catch follow {Lie} diffhttps://puu.sh/wfa0r/f2f08f8619.jpg[url]The sound of guitar strings[/url]https://puu.sh/wfa8a/ffdb716f1d.jpg
00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - . why is that? pls be consistent this my pattern ,i try use Stream to mapping https://puu.sh/wf9U7/d257eeaabd.jpg

pls........use img tag not url. also separate your reply and mine with color (fix the tag too. its too confusing for me whenever i try to recheck smh)
also that is doesnt make any sense because - 00:15:738 (15738|1,16071|2) - 00:13:071 (13071|2,13404|1) - doesnt follow "Lie" like you've explained. compare both
how are you going to address this one then? i didnt see this being fixed I've fixed the first part, but I don't really get your point in the second part but I adjusted a bit

[Lie]

00:30:571 (30571|0) - idk i think you miss W Added

[Dustmoon]

00:25:738 (25738|2) - uh W √

00:26:571 (26571|3) - W √

00:28:071 (28071|3) - ^ √
00:29:238 (29238|0) - ^ √

00:30:571 (30571|2) - missed W? Added

00:30:738 (30738|0) - ^ There is W already

uh idk you did the copier right because the SB hitsound did not actually play the Hitsound since if you actually looking at the notepad

the volume are set to 0 . means they didnt actually play the sound WTF

will be quite painful if you change them one by one so here's a solution. This is particularly a technique i've been using in all my recent maps.
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SPOILER
Remember you can view the hitsound by using "View -> Show sample name"

Before you do anything wrong. do not actually delete the original "Lie" diff for a reference to your Guitar keysound. in case you did not remember it

1. Delete all your Hitsound first. You can do this by using ctrl+a and then press W to add them, then Press W again to remove them from the chart completely. Do the same for F and C
2. Delete the SB hitsound. Press "Tab" while in the editor. you will see an orange note placed around left side. Ctrl+a and press "Delete"
3. Click Save then exit the editor. then enter the editor again.
4. Create a new Difficulty named "Hitsound"
5. Start the Hitsounding from the beginning. Do not use WCF hitsound for this time. use the original normal-hitclap, normal-hitwhistle etc to do it.
6. place a note where you want to have a hitsound. Click the note and then press "Alt+I". it'll open a new window of custom hitsounding

7. Click a hitsound that you want to apply. adjust the volume (70 or something you like). Click Apply
8. Do it over and over again for another Hitsound. you can particularly do copy paste since most of the percussion are in the same structure

now if that is done. now to use Hitsound copier
Use this HS copier -> http://puu.sh/wiwcR/2aec926ab6.rar

1. You will see "Simplify" and "Magicopy" here
2. Open your Hitsound diff on notepad
3. Copy everything on "[Hitobjects]" and paste it to "Simplify" (Delete the word "source")
4. Click "Simplify"
5. Open another diff that you want to be Hitsounded in notepad.
6. Copy-paste the hitobjects to "Simplify" (Delete the word "Target")
7. Click "Simplify"
8. Copy paste the Hitobjects on it to your diff notepad (Note: dont accidentaly Copy the word "[Hit Objects]" because it is a bug where it should be "[Hitobjects]" without space)
9. Copy paste the "//Storyboard sound samples" too. located on below the "Hitobjects"
10. click save on notepad. exit the notepad and the In-game editor. Then enter the editor again
11. Click "View -> show sample name" to see if it works.
do this for another diff as well

Easier diff usually Did not use storyboard Hitsound to avoid confusion when being hitted. when you already done copying the //storyboard sound samples to Easy and normal, you need to delete some of the Storyboard sound samples. Just some of them, not all, that you deemed might confuse players.

~~I will rework hitsounds, feels bad~~

Done! OMFG that hurts me

Rivals_7

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Rivals_7 2017-06-14T05:20:32+00:00

lol

[E]

Uh there's some unecessary SB hitsound (press tab)
00:13:071 - 00:13:404 - 00:14:404 - 00:15:738 - 00:16:071 - etccccc

when you click that orange note, see upper right. there's no volume and they're not associated with any note in this diffs either. so yea its useless

00:21:738 - Delete. since this normal-hitwhistle are not covered by any note there. this could mislead the players to hit and it has been one of many DQ reason.
remove all of those similar like - 00:34:904 - 00:35:071 - and etc. you got the idea

do the same for N and Lie (If there's any). remember to do not actually delete the SB hitsound if they're already covered with the actual note in the play.

[N]

the changes is fine for now

01:04:904 (64904|1,65071|2) - swap column. its not really an intuitive way to hit something like - 01:04:654 (64654|1,64738|0,64904|1) - in the same hand with the different spacing on each note to another. especially in Normal

01:05:404 (65404|2) - i think i did say to add another note here. refer - 00:01:405 (1405|3,1405|2) -

[Lie]

00:58:904 (58904|1,58904|0,58904|3) - reduce note. refer - 00:48:238 (48238|3,48238|1) -

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-06-14T08:40:14+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
lol

[E]

Uh there's some unecessary SB hitsound (press tab)
00:13:071 - 00:13:404 - 00:14:404 - 00:15:738 - 00:16:071 - etccccc

when you click that orange note, see upper right. there's no volume and they're not associated with any note in this diffs either. so yea its useless Yea removed those silence notes also did some adjust

00:21:738 - Delete. since this normal-hitwhistle are not covered by any note there. this could mislead the players to hit and it has been one of many DQ reason.
remove all of those similar like - 00:34:904 - 00:35:071 - and etc. you got the idea Get it, but I think there is some place that is worth using SB hitsound for example 00:25:738 - , idk is it fine bcs there has not note covered

do the same for N and Lie (If there's any). remember to do not actually delete the SB hitsound if they're already covered with the actual note in the play.

[N]

the changes is fine for now

01:04:904 (64904|1,65071|2) - swap column. its not really an intuitive way to hit something like - 01:04:654 (64654|1,64738|0,64904|1) - in the same hand with the different spacing on each note to another. especially in Normal

01:05:404 (65404|2) - i think i did say to add another note here. refer - 00:01:405 (1405|3,1405|2) - All fixed

[Lie]

00:58:904 (58904|1,58904|0,58904|3) - reduce note. refer - 00:48:238 (48238|3,48238|1) - Done~

Rivals_7

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Rivals_7 2017-06-15T05:58:50+00:00

oh well

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-06-15T07:57:57+00:00

Surprise

Maxus

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Maxus 2017-07-05T12:18:59+00:00

The consistency really severe in Easy and Normal diff, not to mention about gap diff between normal and hard that's far while being really near with easy somehow. i'm not even go to patterning here. So i will pop and veto-ing this one until the issues being addressed thoroughly in the entire difficulty. because i believe this is more of fundamental issues instead of regular patterning problem.

To start it off next time, i will appreciate if you just use sampleset custom 1 for the hitsound so that you can more efficiently just pick either "whistle, clap , finish" at the right side of the editor instead of manually using sample import like this, it will save more time for you and for modder as well.

[Metadata]
The name of artist should be "Primary" , put it in the Unicode and romanized artist, I already have the confirmation from alacat here: https://puu.sh/wBqjb/c3beea364a.png

[Etsu's Easy]
I just wanna say before that you shouldn't afraid of mapping continuous 1/2 drum here, i find you undermap them a lot here, i know it's easy diff, but that shouldn't be the reason to perceive the rythm incorrect and inconsistently.
00:00:571 - I believe the way you perceive this rythm is wrong in the instrument partition, try to listen the drum at 00:00:571 - and 00:00:738 - , they are completely different, and yet you make them one here until 00:00:905 - and suddenly changing to notes at 00:01:071 - for unclear reason, the rythm will be divided more correctly if you use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514768
00:20:071 (20071|2,20738|3) - Switch column between these 2 notes, so that the double at 00:20:738 - will be at same exact column with 00:22:071 - , which is your main structure like the one you did at 00:18:071 (18071|0,18071|1,19404|1,19404|0) -
00:29:738 (29738|1,30071|2) - Switch column again for same reason as above.
00:31:904 (31904|0,32238|1,33071|1,33404|0) - Not balance.. and I generally wanna talk on how you undermapping here by not mapping chain drum at 00:32:904 - 00:33:238 - , you should really map them because they are just really obvious.. it won't be too excessive either, i would say this will provide more optimal mapping. like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514854
00:33:404 (33404|0,34404|1,38738|3,39738|2) - the LNs here are too long, shorten them by 1/1 like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514866
00:38:238 - this is the same issue that i talked before about undermapping the drum.. map the red line for drum please, it is important rythm.
00:35:738 (35738|3,41071|0) - You should shorten these LN by 1/1 too like what i mention to you before.
00:41:738 - Additionally, this is a finish sound, please make this double as this is very loud sound.
00:42:738 - Certainly the most undermapped one here.. i suggest you to map it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514906
00:44:404 - You should add for drum here, or else you are inconsistent with instrument you try to follow.
00:45:404 (45404|0,45738|1) - What are you try to follow exactly? you follow string at 00:45:404 - , and then suddenly mapping drum at 00:45:738 - while ignoring the fact that 00:45:571 - 00:45:238 - is actually a drum you follow and yet you didn't follow it somehow. if you are consistent you should do it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514955 (apply this and my mod before in entire kiai, i don't want to repeat myself.)
00:52:071 (52071|1) - Why suddenly LN? you don't use it when follow drum, and suddenly it changes instrument randomly.
01:01:404 - look, you follow vocal and suddenly follow drum again at 01:02:738 - and then vocal again at 01:04:238 - , i don't know what's going on anymore, consistency is the key.

Yeah the main issues being how the inconsistency being questionable as sometimes you follow string then suddenly drum then suddenly vocal then suddenly drum again, not to mention the undermapping at chain drum sound when you consistently mapping drum is also a severe problem here.

[Dustmoon's Normal]
This diff makes the spread uneven between this and "Lie" diff, i mean cmon, 0,4 SR gap between easy and normal but 1,2 Gap to Lie diff? I will just give suggestion how to boost up the diff.
00:00:571 - Felt like you make the right side heavy for no reason, use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514982
00:02:071 - 00:03:404 - 00:04:738 - 00:06:071 - 00:07:404 - 00:08:738 - 00:10:071 - 00:10:904 - 00:11:404 - You really should add note for these really loud crash sound, this is already normal diff, at least boost it up for more advance player here, the rythm is too simple.
00:13:071 (13071|1,13404|0,14071|0,14404|1,14738|0,15071|1,15404|0) - This is really not balance, rearrange it for better balance.
00:13:238 - 00:15:904 - 00:18:571 - 00:21:238 - 00:23:904 - 00:26:571 - 00:29:238 - 00:31:904 - I don't know why you ignore the drum rythm here.. if the only thing you done is mapping 1/1 blindly, it will only results in really bland pattern without any upheaval in instrument. so you should really add note for all the timestamps here.
00:16:071 - look at how empty col 1 is. I don't think this is balance lel, also rearrange this for balance.
00:20:738 (20738|1,21071|0,21571|0,21738|1,22071|0) - Same again. and there's other more, will appreciate if you also balancing the unbalance one to be more approriate.
00:32:738 (32738|1,32904|0,33071|3,33238|2) - And 00:38:071 (38071|3,38238|3,38404|0,38571|0) - , so these sounds are the same right? so why these are patterned extremely different?
00:33:404 - 00:34:404 - 00:35:738 - 00:38:738 - 00:39:738 - 00:41:071 - I don't get why not putting LN here, you must already notice by now how empty the pattern suddenly without the LNs. And "for variation" isn't gonna work, the current one is even more bland.
00:43:238 (43238|3,43321|2,43738|3,43904|2,44071|3) - Quite unsightly.. basically not balance, rearrange it.
00:44:071 - I don't get why also the kiai only 1/1 pattern again here.. i mean you heard the drum instrument at red line in 00:45:238 - 00:45:571 - 00:47:904 - 00:48:238 - ,etc. and you ignore one of the very big sound like 00:48:238 - isn't gonna work at all.. for the entire kiai i really need you to repattern it based on the drum instrument. I will give you one example, like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515121 . make sure apply this on all kiai here.
00:53:904 (53904|2) - Obviously ghost note, no drum.
01:06:071 - And etc. the same as 00:13:238 - 00:15:904 - 00:18:571 - 00:21:238 - 00:23:904 - 00:26:571 - 00:29:238 - 00:31:904 - , yeah you get what i mean.

More or less the same as etsu's diff, but i will say you need to revise this even more thoroughly and more carefully as you need to fix the spread issues aside from the big consistency issues.

[Lie]
00:05:904 (5904|2,6071|2,7238|2,7404|2,8571|2,8738|2,9904|2,10071|2) - Please give an explanation on why all these jacks are in the same column.
00:11:071 (11071|3,11071|2,11404|2,11404|3,11738|3,11738|2,12071|2,12071|3) - These right hand doubles are all in the same column and yet you must realize by now that each of the double sound are completely different. try arrange them so that the double at least not in the same column.
00:19:404 (19404|0) - Try move this to col 3 so that the note doesn't being in the same column as 00:18:571 (18571|3,18571|0,19071|0,19071|3) -
00:20:071 (20071|3,20404|3,20738|3) - Why triple stack them? you didn't do it before at the structure in 00:14:738 (14738|0,14738|1,15071|3,15071|2) - , you are inconsistent with your own principles.
00:25:404 (25404|3,25404|2,25738|3,25738|2) - Again, you are being inconsistent with your structure at 00:30:738 (30738|2,30738|3,31071|0,31071|1) - , if you hear both of those as same sound then don't make the structure really different as it makes wrong assumption for people that play here.
00:34:071 - Your col 4 exposure is just too much, you should use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515190 instead.
00:38:071 - I'm sure this need to be triple note if following your consistency at 00:32:738 -
00:39:071 - The note here are also too heavy at col 1. try http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515210
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|0,43904|0,44071|1) - If following loud drum here, then the patterning should be 1-2-2-1 to following music more intact.
00:55:071 (55071|2,55071|3,55404|3,55404|2,55904|3,55904|2,56238|2,56238|3,56738|3,56738|2,57404|2,57404|3,58071|3,58071|2) - See all these doubles being so very long in the same column? yeah it's not good because you're limiting your patterning possibility for the right hand double that doesn't even really follow music in a way that there's justifyment to make them at same column for so long. I suggest repattern some places so the chain of right hand double doesn't occured for too long.
01:12:738 (72738|3,72904|2,73071|3,73238|2,73404|3,73571|2,73738|3) - This is really long trill for no reason either.. there isn't instrument to justify the patterning, so also repattern this.
01:14:571 (74571|0,74738|1,74904|1,75071|0,75238|1,75404|0,75571|1,75738|0,75904|1,76071|0) - Same case.

Ok this one already quite good in consistency, but watch out for the patterning.

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So to sum it up, i really need the difficulty to get more mods and be revised deeply and thoroughly before this being pushed forward, because i don't believe this one is good enough for rank yet.

dkingo

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Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-07-06T17:53:56+00:00

Maxus wrote:
The consistency really severe in Easy and Normal diff, not to mention about gap diff between normal and hard that's far while being really near with easy somehow. i'm not even go to patterning here. So i will pop and veto-ing this one until the issues being addressed thoroughly in the entire difficulty. because i believe this is more of fundamental issues instead of regular patterning problem. I will discuss with DustMoon about his NM later, let's see what happens next, EZ diff is pretty solid

To start it off next time, i will appreciate if you just use sampleset custom 1 for the hitsound so that you can more efficiently just pick either "whistle, clap , finish" at the right side of the editor instead of manually using sample import like this, it will save more time for you and for modder as well. I'm really bad at hitsounding so I still have lots of things to learn

[Metadata]
The name of artist should be "Primary" , put it in the Unicode and romanized artist, I already have the confirmation from alacat here: https://puu.sh/wBqjb/c3beea364a.png Ok fixed

[Lie]
00:05:904 (5904|2,6071|2,7238|2,7404|2,8571|2,8738|2,9904|2,10071|2) - Please give an explanation on why all these jacks are in the same column. Adjusted a bit, but I think it's not a big problem
00:11:071 (11071|3,11071|2,11404|2,11404|3,11738|3,11738|2,12071|2,12071|3) - These right hand doubles are all in the same column and yet you must realize by now that each of the double sound are completely different. try arrange them so that the double at least not in the same column. Re. I haven't noticed that point before, nice lesson to me, but some of the doubles are really hard to rearrange, bcs something new or old problem will arise again in some other places, like above it doesn't matter that much
00:19:404 (19404|0) - Try move this to col 3 so that the note doesn't being in the same column as 00:18:571 (18571|3,18571|0,19071|0,19071|3) - Moved
00:20:071 (20071|3,20404|3,20738|3) - Why triple stack them? you didn't do it before at the structure in 00:14:738 (14738|0,14738|1,15071|3,15071|2) - , you are inconsistent with your own principles. Problem is solved after the previous mod
00:25:404 (25404|3,25404|2,25738|3,25738|2) - Again, you are being inconsistent with your structure at 00:30:738 (30738|2,30738|3,31071|0,31071|1) - , if you hear both of those as same sound then don't make the structure really different as it makes wrong assumption for people that play here. A old mistake, fixed
00:34:071 - Your col 4 exposure is just too much, you should use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515190 instead. Will use it
00:38:071 - I'm sure this need to be triple note if following your consistency at 00:32:738 - Added a note but I guess this will be altered aagin by another BN
00:39:071 - The note here are also too heavy at col 1. try http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515210 Adjusted the whole part
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|0,43904|0,44071|1) - If following loud drum here, then the patterning should be 1-2-2-1 to following music more intact. Re... I think 1-2-2-2 is the most correct way but seems like it's unrankable
00:55:071 (55071|2,55071|3,55404|3,55404|2,55904|3,55904|2,56238|2,56238|3,56738|3,56738|2,57404|2,57404|3,58071|3,58071|2) - See all these doubles being so very long in the same column? yeah it's not good because you're limiting your patterning possibility for the right hand double that doesn't even really follow music in a way that there's justifyment to make them at same column for so long. I suggest repattern some places so the chain of right hand double doesn't occured for too long. Will adjust them
01:12:738 (72738|3,72904|2,73071|3,73238|2,73404|3,73571|2,73738|3) - This is really long trill for no reason either.. there isn't instrument to justify the patterning, so also repattern this. Ok
01:14:571 (74571|0,74738|1,74904|1,75071|0,75238|1,75404|0,75571|1,75738|0,75904|1,76071|0) - Same case. Fixed

Ok this one already quite good in consistency, but watch out for the patterning. Get it√

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So to sum it up, i really need the difficulty to get more mods and be revised deeply and thoroughly before this being pushed forward, because i don't believe this one is good enough for rank yet. Accept and respect

Thanks for the mod Maxus, I'm feeling so sick after a week of travel, some of my reply would not be so clear, I apologize for it. Will leave this map for a while to fix some major issues.

DustMoon

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DustMoon 2017-07-07T01:49:43+00:00

Maxus wrote:
The consistency really severe in Easy and Normal diff, not to mention about gap diff between normal and hard that's far while being really near with easy somehow. i'm not even go to patterning here. So i will pop and veto-ing this one until the issues being addressed thoroughly in the entire difficulty. because i believe this is more of fundamental issues instead of regular patterning problem.

To start it off next time, i will appreciate if you just use sampleset custom 1 for the hitsound so that you can more efficiently just pick either "whistle, clap , finish" at the right side of the editor instead of manually using sample import like this, it will save more time for you and for modder as well.

[Metadata]
The name of artist should be "Primary" , put it in the Unicode and romanized artist, I already have the confirmation from alacat here: https://puu.sh/wBqjb/c3beea364a.png

[Dustmoon's Normal]
This diff makes the spread uneven between this and "Lie" diff, i mean cmon, 0,4 SR gap between easy and normal but 1,2 Gap to Lie diff? I will just give suggestion how to boost up the diff.haha,i will ask dkingo,wait he reply
00:00:571 - Felt like you make the right side heavy for no reason, use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514982no,i think00:00:905 (905|2,1071|1,1238|0) - not same pitch,notes follow durm down and down,so i will kepp
00:02:071 - 00:03:404 - 00:04:738 - 00:06:071 - 00:07:404 - 00:08:738 - 00:10:071 - 00:10:904 - 00:11:404 - You really should add note for these really loud crash sound, this is already normal diff, at least boost it up for more advance player here, the rythm is too simple.think...
00:13:071 (13071|1,13404|0,14071|0,14404|1,14738|0,15071|1,15404|0) - This is really not balance, rearrange it for better balance.
00:13:238 - 00:15:904 - 00:18:571 - 00:21:238 - 00:23:904 - 00:26:571 - 00:29:238 - 00:31:904 - I don't know why you ignore the drum rythm here.. if the only thing you done is mapping 1/1 blindly, it will only results in really bland pattern without any upheaval in instrument. so you should really add note for all the timestamps here.add
00:16:071 - look at how empty col 1 is. I don't think this is balance lel, also rearrange this for balance.none
00:20:738 (20738|1,21071|0,21571|0,21738|1,22071|0) - Same again. and there's other more, will appreciate if you also balancing the unbalance one to be more approriate.none
00:32:738 (32738|1,32904|0,33071|3,33238|2) - And 00:38:071 (38071|3,38238|3,38404|0,38571|0) - , so these sounds are the same right? so why these are patterned extremely different?ok,i change 00:38:071 (38071|3,38238|2,38404|0,38571|1,38738|2,38738|3) -
00:33:404 - 00:34:404 - 00:35:738 - 00:38:738 - 00:39:738 - 00:41:071 - I don't get why not putting LN here, you must already notice by now how empty the pattern suddenly without the LNs. And "for variation" isn't gonna work, the current one is even more bland.add
00:43:238 (43238|3,43321|2,43738|3,43904|2,44071|3) - Quite unsightly.. basically not balance, rearrange it.changed
00:44:071 - I don't get why also the kiai only 1/1 pattern again here.. i mean you heard the drum instrument at red line in 00:45:238 - 00:45:571 - 00:47:904 - 00:48:238 - ,etc. and you ignore one of the very big sound like 00:48:238 - isn't gonna work at all.. for the entire kiai i really need you to repattern it based on the drum instrument. I will give you one example, like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8515121 . make sure apply this on all kiai here.fixed
00:53:904 (53904|2) - Obviously ghost note, no drum.but,i catch Bass Beth
01:06:071 - And etc. the same as 00:13:238 - 00:15:904 - 00:18:571 - 00:21:238 - 00:23:904 - 00:26:571 - 00:29:238 - 00:31:904 - , yeah you get what i mean.yeah,i will add them

More or less the same as etsu's diff, but i will say you need to revise this even more thoroughly and more carefully as you need to fix the spread issues aside from the big consistency issues.

So to sum it up, i really need the difficulty to get more mods and be revised deeply and thoroughly before this being pushed forward, because i don't believe this one is good enough for rank yet.

Vrey thank Maxus mod my diff,i change a lot,i hope you can recheck my diff
Thanks

Last edited by DustMoon 2017-07-07T01:54:21+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

DustMoon

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DustMoon 2017-07-07T01:53:51+00:00

UPDATE

osu file format v14

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Tags:each yuiko ゆいこんぬ DustMoon Etsu
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Etsu

1,240 posts

Joined October 2013

Etsu 2017-07-09T04:52:03+00:00

Maxus wrote:
The consistency really severe in Easy and Normal diff, not to mention about gap diff between normal and hard that's far while being really near with easy somehow. i'm not even go to patterning here. So i will pop and veto-ing this one until the issues being addressed thoroughly in the entire difficulty. because i believe this is more of fundamental issues instead of regular patterning problem.

To start it off next time, i will appreciate if you just use sampleset custom 1 for the hitsound so that you can more efficiently just pick either "whistle, clap , finish" at the right side of the editor instead of manually using sample import like this, it will save more time for you and for modder as well.

[Metadata]
The name of artist should be "Primary" , put it in the Unicode and romanized artist, I already have the confirmation from alacat here: https://puu.sh/wBqjb/c3beea364a.png

[Etsu's Easy]
I just wanna say before that you shouldn't afraid of mapping continuous 1/2 drum here, i find you undermap them a lot here, i know it's easy diff, but that shouldn't be the reason to perceive the rythm incorrect and inconsistently.
00:00:571 - I believe the way you perceive this rythm is wrong in the instrument partition, try to listen the drum at 00:00:571 - and 00:00:738 - , they are completely different, and yet you make them one here until 00:00:905 - and suddenly changing to notes at 00:01:071 - for unclear reason, the rythm will be divided more correctly if you use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514768 /*i must admit that this part was difficult for me because this diff is easy is a good pattern
00:20:071 (20071|2,20738|3) - Switch column between these 2 notes, so that the double at 00:20:738 - will be at same exact column with 00:22:071 - , which is your main structure like the one you did at 00:18:071 (18071|0,18071|1,19404|1,19404|0) - /*yr was trying to vary a bit but rearrange
00:29:738 (29738|1,30071|2) - Switch column again for same reason as above.
00:31:904 (31904|0,32238|1,33071|1,33404|0) - Not balance.. and I generally wanna talk on how you undermapping here by not mapping chain drum at 00:32:904 - 00:33:238 - , you should really map them because they are just really obvious.. it won't be too excessive either, i would say this will provide more optimal mapping. like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514854 /*added note 1/2
00:33:404 (33404|0,34404|1,38738|3,39738|2) - the LNs here are too long, shorten them by 1/1 like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514866 /*right for the notes too
00:38:238 - this is the same issue that i talked before about undermapping the drum.. map the red line for drum please, it is important rythm. /*sure
00:35:738 (35738|3,41071|0) - You should shorten these LN by 1/1 too like what i mention to you before. /*very good was exaggerated of me xD
00:41:738 - Additionally, this is a finish sound, please make this double as this is very loud sound. /*you're right
00:42:738 - Certainly the most undermapped one here.. i suggest you to map it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514906
00:44:404 - You should add for drum here, or else you are inconsistent with instrument you try to follow. /*yeah
00:45:404 (45404|0,45738|1) - What are you try to follow exactly? you follow string at 00:45:404 - , and then suddenly mapping drum at 00:45:738 - while ignoring the fact that 00:45:571 - 00:45:238 - is actually a drum you follow and yet you didn't follow it somehow. if you are consistent you should do it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514955 (apply this and my mod before in entire kiai, i don't want to repeat myself.) /*i tried to vary but thanks for your idea since it is a little problem this part for me
00:52:071 (52071|1) - Why suddenly LN? you don't use it when follow drum, and suddenly it changes instrument randomly. /*I tried to vary a little too but I find it reasonable for the sound that keeps running
01:01:404 - look, you follow vocal and suddenly follow drum again at 01:02:738 - and then vocal again at 01:04:238 - , i don't know what's going on anymore, consistency is the key. /*also think it's time to vary with the voices as it ends the core more relax this part is better imo

Yeah the main issues being how the inconsistency being questionable as sometimes you follow string then suddenly drum then suddenly vocal then suddenly drum again, not to mention the undermapping at chain drum sound when you consistently mapping drum is also a severe problem here. /*will try to learn more about this ty

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So to sum it up, i really need the difficulty to get more mods and be revised deeply and thoroughly before this being pushed forward, because i don't believe this one is good enough for rank yet.

Thanks for the mod o:

Updated

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dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-07-09T08:48:39+00:00

Etsu wrote:
mod
Maxus wrote:
The consistency really severe in Easy and Normal diff, not to mention about gap diff between normal and hard that's far while being really near with easy somehow. i'm not even go to patterning here. So i will pop and veto-ing this one until the issues being addressed thoroughly in the entire difficulty. because i believe this is more of fundamental issues instead of regular patterning problem.

To start it off next time, i will appreciate if you just use sampleset custom 1 for the hitsound so that you can more efficiently just pick either "whistle, clap , finish" at the right side of the editor instead of manually using sample import like this, it will save more time for you and for modder as well.

[Metadata]
The name of artist should be "Primary" , put it in the Unicode and romanized artist, I already have the confirmation from alacat here: https://puu.sh/wBqjb/c3beea364a.png

[Etsu's Easy]
I just wanna say before that you shouldn't afraid of mapping continuous 1/2 drum here, i find you undermap them a lot here, i know it's easy diff, but that shouldn't be the reason to perceive the rythm incorrect and inconsistently.
00:00:571 - I believe the way you perceive this rythm is wrong in the instrument partition, try to listen the drum at 00:00:571 - and 00:00:738 - , they are completely different, and yet you make them one here until 00:00:905 - and suddenly changing to notes at 00:01:071 - for unclear reason, the rythm will be divided more correctly if you use http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514768 /*i must admit that this part was difficult for me because this diff is easy is a good pattern
00:20:071 (20071|2,20738|3) - Switch column between these 2 notes, so that the double at 00:20:738 - will be at same exact column with 00:22:071 - , which is your main structure like the one you did at 00:18:071 (18071|0,18071|1,19404|1,19404|0) - /*yr was trying to vary a bit but rearrange
00:29:738 (29738|1,30071|2) - Switch column again for same reason as above.
00:31:904 (31904|0,32238|1,33071|1,33404|0) - Not balance.. and I generally wanna talk on how you undermapping here by not mapping chain drum at 00:32:904 - 00:33:238 - , you should really map them because they are just really obvious.. it won't be too excessive either, i would say this will provide more optimal mapping. like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514854 /*added note 1/2
00:33:404 (33404|0,34404|1,38738|3,39738|2) - the LNs here are too long, shorten them by 1/1 like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514866 /*right for the notes too
00:38:238 - this is the same issue that i talked before about undermapping the drum.. map the red line for drum please, it is important rythm. /*sure
00:35:738 (35738|3,41071|0) - You should shorten these LN by 1/1 too like what i mention to you before. /*very good was exaggerated of me xD
00:41:738 - Additionally, this is a finish sound, please make this double as this is very loud sound. /*you're right
00:42:738 - Certainly the most undermapped one here.. i suggest you to map it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514906
00:44:404 - You should add for drum here, or else you are inconsistent with instrument you try to follow. /*yeah
00:45:404 (45404|0,45738|1) - What are you try to follow exactly? you follow string at 00:45:404 - , and then suddenly mapping drum at 00:45:738 - while ignoring the fact that 00:45:571 - 00:45:238 - is actually a drum you follow and yet you didn't follow it somehow. if you are consistent you should do it like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8514955 (apply this and my mod before in entire kiai, i don't want to repeat myself.) /*i tried to vary but thanks for your idea since it is a little problem this part for me
00:52:071 (52071|1) - Why suddenly LN? you don't use it when follow drum, and suddenly it changes instrument randomly. /*I tried to vary a little too but I find it reasonable for the sound that keeps running
01:01:404 - look, you follow vocal and suddenly follow drum again at 01:02:738 - and then vocal again at 01:04:238 - , i don't know what's going on anymore, consistency is the key. /*also think it's time to vary with the voices as it ends the core more relax this part is better imo

Yeah the main issues being how the inconsistency being questionable as sometimes you follow string then suddenly drum then suddenly vocal then suddenly drum again, not to mention the undermapping at chain drum sound when you consistently mapping drum is also a severe problem here. /*will try to learn more about this ty

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So to sum it up, i really need the difficulty to get more mods and be revised deeply and thoroughly before this being pushed forward, because i don't believe this one is good enough for rank yet.

Thanks for the mod o:

Updated

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Thank you

I will upload the map later after I discuss with DustMoon

dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-07-09T15:15:08+00:00

Well DustMoon is unable to be online, so I'll replace him again in next few days.

Uploaded Normal, we found that 1.9 star difficulty is the limit of this diffculty, we also remade some patterns after a long discussion...

Himari Kino

324 posts

Joined June 2015

Himari Kino 2017-07-10T13:54:28+00:00

Req from my Queue

Feel free to reject my mods

Columns
1|2|3|4

Etsu's Easy

00:25:738 - add note? sound same as like 00:30:738 (30738|1,31071|2,31404|1,31404|3) -
01:05:404 (65404|3) - delete, maybe change to be like this 00:01:405 (1405|3,1405|0,1904|0,2404|2,2904|1,3404|3) -

DustMoon vs dkingo Normal
01:04:904 (64904|2,65071|3) - ctrl + g?
and 01:05:404 (65404|2) - move to col 4

*widescreen support in normal diff

108 post T_T
sorry if does'nt help enough

dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-07-10T14:16:10+00:00

ChochoaLatte- wrote:
Req from my Queue

Feel free to reject my mods

Columns
1|2|3|4

DustMoon vs dkingo Normal
01:04:904 (64904|2,65071|3) - ctrl + g? It will be too dense on right hand
and 01:05:404 (65404|2) - move to col 4 I think it better start on col 3

*widescreen support in normal diff
108 post T_T
sorry if does'nt help enough

Thank you Chocho

Etsu

1,240 posts

Joined October 2013

Etsu 2017-07-11T03:28:06+00:00

ChochoaLatte- wrote:
Req from my Queue

Feel free to reject my mods

Columns
1|2|3|4

Etsu's Easy
00:25:738 - add note? sound same as like 00:30:738 (30738|1,31071|2,31404|1,31404|3) - //okay
01:05:404 (65404|3) - delete, maybe change to be like this 00:01:405 (1405|3,1405|0,1904|0,2404|2,2904|1,3404|3) - //yeah but want to vary a little here for the voice like a break imo

*widescreen support in normal diff
108 post T_T
sorry if does'nt help enough

Thanks for the mod :3

Updated

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 44071
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 3
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
SpecialStyle: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 0.9
BeatDivisor: 2
GridSize: 16
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:Perfect Lie
TitleUnicode:Perfect Lie
Artist:Primary
ArtistUnicode:Primary
Creator:dkingo
Version:Etsu's Easy
Source:
Tags:each yuiko ゆいこんぬ DustMoon Etsu
BeatmapID:1222664
BeatmapSetID:572856

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CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:6
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

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riunosk

1,116 posts

Joined January 2015

riunosk 2017-07-14T11:07:22+00:00

mod from queue 1 2 3 4

general

i really dont understand why the bpm is 180 when the track sounds a lot more closer to 90

all diffs

01:16:071 - honestly it seems a lot better if the LNs ended on 01:18:738 - instead

et suuuuu

00:01:904 (1904|0,2404|2) - flip for pitch
00:07:071 (7071|2,7238|1,7738|0) - probably can do 2 1 3
Great chart

VERSUS DUEL

00:41:571 (41571|1,41654|0) - can probably flip for flow
Excellent chart

goddam liar

00:19:988 (19988|1,20071|2) - flip for flow
00:26:071 (26071|1,26404|2,26571|1) - flip for variety and even flow
00:43:321 (43321|1,43404|2) - flip for flow
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|1,43904|0,44071|1) - ^if applied, rearrange this somehow
Great chart

had a bit of extra time so modded all diffs
gud luk for renk

dkingo

550 posts

Joined June 2016

Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-07-14T20:24:25+00:00

riunosk wrote:
mod from queue 1 2 3 4
general
i really dont understand why the bpm is 180 when the track sounds a lot more closer to 90 No no no, I can hear clearly it's 180
all diffs
01:16:071 - honestly it seems a lot better if the LNs ended on 01:18:738 - instead Will keep the current outro, because the song continues a bit
et suuuuu
00:01:904 (1904|0,2404|2) - flip for pitch
00:07:071 (7071|2,7238|1,7738|0) - probably can do 2 1 3
Great chart
VERSUS DUEL
00:41:571 (41571|1,41654|0) - can probably flip for flow 1 2 are shown too many here, so some 2 1 are needed
Excellent chart
goddam liar
00:19:988 (19988|1,20071|2) - flip for flow
00:26:071 (26071|1,26404|2,26571|1) - flip for variety and even flow
00:43:321 (43321|1,43404|2) - flip for flow
00:43:571 (43571|1,43738|1,43904|0,44071|1) - ^if applied, rearrange this somehow Adjusted the middle part
Great chart
had a bit of extra time so modded all diffs
gud luk for renk

Thank you!

Etsu

1,240 posts

Joined October 2013

Etsu 2017-07-16T03:43:11+00:00

riunosk wrote:
mod from queue 1 2 3 4
general
i really dont understand why the bpm is 180 when the track sounds a lot more closer to 90
all diffs
01:16:071 - honestly it seems a lot better if the LNs ended on 01:18:738 - instead
et suuuuu
00:01:904 (1904|0,2404|2) - flip for pitch //sure
00:07:071 (7071|2,7238|1,7738|0) - probably can do 2 1 3 //better 3 1 2 :3
Great chart //thanks o:

had a bit of extra time so modded all diffs
gud luk for renk

Thanks for the mod riunosk

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Maxus

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Maxus 2017-07-19T08:58:05+00:00

[Normal]
00:02:071 - 00:03:404 - 00:04:738 - 00:06:071 - 00:07:404 - 00:08:738 - 00:10:071 - 00:10:904 - 00:11:404 - So can any one of you explain the reason you don't want add note to all of these timeline other than the reply answer of "Think.." ? Just look at how the instrument is really complicated and dense and yet you make them only with LN.. Compare them with 00:13:071 - , which one is calmer in the music mood? obviously 00:13:071 - , and yet you make the patterning a lot more complicated at 00:13:071 - compared with 00:01:405 - , do you think it's logical?

The same thing happened with 01:05:404 - too.
Anyway I won't bother with this map if my mod doesn't even get throughout explanation/you don't even bother with changing it.

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-07-19T16:30:04+00:00

Maxus wrote:
[Normal]
00:02:071 - 00:03:404 - 00:04:738 - 00:06:071 - 00:07:404 - 00:08:738 - 00:10:071 - 00:10:904 - 00:11:404 - So can any one of you explain the reason you don't want add note to all of these timeline other than the reply answer of "Think.." ? Just look at how the instrument is really complicated and dense and yet you make them only with LN.. Compare them with 00:13:071 - , which one is calmer in the music mood? obviously 00:13:071 - , and yet you make the patterning a lot more complicated at 00:13:071 - compared with 00:01:405 - , do you think it's logical?

The same thing happened with 01:05:404 - too.
Anyway I won't bother with this map if my mod doesn't even get throughout explanation/you don't even bother with changing it.

I apologize if DustMoon's replies weren't clear enough, we both haven't noticed that point, will add those snares, but I disagree with your opinion about how complicated should the map be, every mapper has their own mapping style and view that which part should be complicated, instead of "calmer", I prefer "highlight", which is different for everybody.

Maxus

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Maxus 2017-07-19T17:02:14+00:00

dkingo wrote:
I apologize if DustMoon's replies weren't clear enough, we both haven't noticed that point, will add those snares, but I disagree with your opinion about how complicated should the map be, every mapper has their own mapping style and view that which part should be complicated, instead of "calmer", I prefer "highlight", which is different for everybody.

Sorry, It is not about mapping style, but it's about common sense. As I said to you before, It is not making any sense for the part with many drum and guitar lingering around and you choose to only map the LN there.

I could talk more, but seems in the end you add notes for the timeline I mentioned you, so yeah, I will leave it to Rivals again for rebubble, I can take out my veto now that main issues actually adressed.

Btw, 00:11:488 (11488|2) - you put this at wrong snap lol

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-07-19T17:08:26+00:00

Maxus wrote:
dkingo wrote:
I apologize if DustMoon's replies weren't clear enough, we both haven't noticed that point, will add those snares, but I disagree with your opinion about how complicated should the map be, every mapper has their own mapping style and view that which part should be complicated, instead of "calmer", I prefer "highlight", which is different for everybody.
Sorry, It is not about mapping style, but it's about common sense. As I said to you before, It is not making any sense for the part with many drum and guitar lingering around and you choose to only map the LN there.

I could talk more, but seems in the end you add notes for the timeline I mentioned you, so yeah, I will leave it to Rivals again for rebubble, I can take out my veto now that main issues actually adressed.

Btw, 00:11:488 (11488|2) - you put this at wrong snap lol -.-||

Thank you again Maxus, we will wait until next month when I'm free from his cooldown list

Rivals_7

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Rivals_7 2017-10-15T00:17:50+00:00

1234
[NM]

00:30:738 (30738|3,31071|2,31404|3) - can you uh avoid this kind of thing in NM tier. three of them are double too so its kinda tempting

00:50:904 (50904|2,50904|1,51071|0) - move doubles to left, move the single note to 3. therefor avoid - 00:50:571 (50571|2,50738|3,50904|2,51071|3) -
should be applicable if you see anything similar

[Lie]

00:41:071 (41071|3) - why is this LN ending different with the other diff

rest is ok

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-10-15T11:35:18+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
1234
[NM]

00:30:738 (30738|3,31071|2,31404|3) - can you uh avoid this kind of thing in NM tier. three of them are double too so its kinda tempting Rearranged

00:50:904 (50904|2,50904|1,51071|0) - move doubles to left, move the single note to 3. therefor avoid - 00:50:571 (50571|2,50738|3,50904|2,51071|3) -
should be applicable if you see anything similar Yea I get this one, but for the balance I will keep some of them

[Lie]

00:41:071 (41071|3) - why is this LN ending different with the other diff Opps... Fixed

rest is ok

Thank you!

Rivals_7

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Rivals_7 2017-10-20T14:59:19+00:00

re

dkingo

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dkingo 2017-10-20T18:16:14+00:00

Rivals_7 wrote:
re

Thank you!

Asherz007

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Asherz007 2017-10-26T22:02:53+00:00

Pop for silent storyboard hitsounds in Easy and Normal (still, probably)
(Why are there storyboarded hitsounds anyway?)

In Easy:

Stuff like this shouldn't really be there since they don't produce any noise (effectively breaking rc on having audible feedback).

[General]
1-2ms delays on guitar hitsounds (I think?) Fine, but could be removed.

Time to have a little mini-rant at why doubling up hitsounds isn't a good idea. Essentially, it's a matter of trying not to make it all too overpowering in general, which the hitnormal in particular at 140% is, in my opinion. It also makes copying the volume across extremely difficult for the lower difficulties, hence why some sounds have entered the storyboard, which is highly discouraged due to sounding extremely similar to hitsound feedback when actually hitting a note. Ideally, delete everything in the storyboard since that makes life considerably easier. (Pretty sure you've been recommended to do this already, but whatever.)

Now for a mini-mini-rant on why I hate hitsound importing. Put simply, you can only put one on each note. Affects the easier diffs more, but you'd struggle again to accurately apply/copy the hitsounds. (Personally, I find it much quicker to use the "wcf" method and import for keysounds only. If you've got time I'd suggest trying to rehitsound with "wcf", since it will mean that you don't need to use the storyboard at all.)

I've noticed that the samples themselves are actually quite quiet, so you can increase the sample volume manually by using something like Audacity since they occasionally blend in a little bit too much for me, particularly guitar and hitfinish.

Perhaps another hitsound imbalance since the hitnormal (at 100%) appears to be louder/more audible than the hitfinish (at 50% because why?).

And of course, there are still a few hitsound inconsistencies about. The likelihood is I won't be able to catch them all so best that you look through those again. (Like for 00:53:071 between Easy and the others)

Etsu's Easy

Amongst all the imports...

Speaking of that part...

00:42:904 - feels a little counterintuitive to not have a note here when there's 00:42:238 (42238|1,42571|0), since they're following the 1/2 movement here. If it's not there because you don't want it to be too dense, I'd think about removing 00:42:404 (42404|2) as well since the sound present here is not particularly loud at all.
01:04:238 (64238|1,64738|2,65404|3) - Not really a fan of this since it essentially goes against the current layering that you have present throughout the difficulty. (Not really helped by the fact that the guitar hitsounds are still in the storyboard here.)

Collab Normal

00:01:405 (1405|2) - I'd recommended making this a double, more for progression and consistency than anything. (Plus there's a hitsound in the storyboard that would make more sense to be in the playfield instead)
00:02:071 (2071|0,3404|3,4738|2) etc - Not sure why these don't have C on them, to be honest. Seems like that would make a little more sense.
00:41:738 (41738|3) - Would've thought a double for the crash here would've been a nice idea... if you wanted to do that, shorten 00:41:071 (41071|2) by 1/2 beat.
01:06:071 (66071|3,67404|2,68738|0) etc - no snares here either?

Lie

00:11:904 (11904|3) - might want to move one col left so there isn't a double jack (there isn't one anywhere else in the map from the double to the triple so I feel like it's an odd one out.)
00:22:738 (22738|0) - What exactly is this following? Nearest thing I could find was the bass, but that ends at 00:23:738.
00:34:904 (34904|3) - Feel like your layering broke down a little bit here. Should this be a double?
00:40:238 (40238|3) - ^
00:40:404 (40404|0) - not imported... wut
00:41:738 (41738|2) - see Normal
00:48:238 (48238|1,48238|3) - having these not imported hitsounds is made even weirder since the timing point volume (which these take) is 100%, while the imports are at 70%, so they sound way louder than they should.
01:13:238 (73238|3,73321|2) - Missing hitsounds?

Just as a clarification, this isn't really a veto, more unrankable issue with a mini-lecture, but it would be nice to get those hitsounds sorted out.

PM me somewhere if there's anything you don't understand here/need more explanations for.

Etsu

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Etsu 2017-10-29T17:19:42+00:00

Asherz007 wrote:
Pop for silent storyboard hitsounds in Easy and Normal (still, probably)
(Why are there storyboarded hitsounds anyway?)

In Easy:

Stuff like this shouldn't really be there since they don't produce any noise (effectively breaking rc on having audible feedback). //fixed

[General]
1-2ms delays on guitar hitsounds (I think?) Fine, but could be removed.

Time to have a little mini-rant at why doubling up hitsounds isn't a good idea. Essentially, it's a matter of trying not to make it all too overpowering in general, which the hitnormal in particular at 140% is, in my opinion. It also makes copying the volume across extremely difficult for the lower difficulties, hence why some sounds have entered the storyboard, which is highly discouraged due to sounding extremely similar to hitsound feedback when actually hitting a note. Ideally, delete everything in the storyboard since that makes life considerably easier. (Pretty sure you've been recommended to do this already, but whatever.)

Now for a mini-mini-rant on why I hate hitsound importing. Put simply, you can only put one on each note. Affects the easier diffs more, but you'd struggle again to accurately apply/copy the hitsounds. (Personally, I find it much quicker to use the "wcf" method and import for keysounds only. If you've got time I'd suggest trying to rehitsound with "wcf", since it will mean that you don't need to use the storyboard at all.)

I've noticed that the samples themselves are actually quite quiet, so you can increase the sample volume manually by using something like Audacity since they occasionally blend in a little bit too much for me, particularly guitar and hitfinish.

Perhaps another hitsound imbalance since the hitnormal (at 100%) appears to be louder/more audible than the hitfinish (at 50% because why?).

And of course, there are still a few hitsound inconsistencies about. The likelihood is I won't be able to catch them all so best that you look through those again. (Like for 00:53:071 between Easy and the others)

Etsu's Easy
Amongst all the imports...

Speaking of that part...
00:42:904 - feels a little counterintuitive to not have a note here when there's 00:42:238 (42238|1,42571|0), since they're following the 1/2 movement here. If it's not there because you don't want it to be too dense, I'd think about removing 00:42:404 (42404|2) as well since the sound present here is not particularly loud at all. //okay you're right I'll follow the 1/2, and delete 00:43:071 - since is dense also change pattern 00:43:404 - same in parte similars.
01:04:238 (64238|1,64738|2,65404|3) - Not really a fan of this since it essentially goes against the current layering that you have present throughout the difficulty. (Not really helped by the fact that the guitar hitsounds are still in the storyboard here.) //oh yep some asked me same so change notes to 1/2 drum and LN for guitar.

PM me somewhere if there's anything you don't understand here/need more explanations for.

thanks Asherz

Updated: http://puu.sh/ya13U/344d0023e6.osu

dkingo

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Topic Starter

dkingo 2017-11-11T23:49:28+00:00

Asherz007 wrote:
Pop for silent storyboard hitsounds in Easy and Normal (still, probably)
(Why are there storyboarded hitsounds anyway?)

In Easy:

Stuff like this shouldn't really be there since they don't produce any noise (effectively breaking rc on having audible feedback). Removed those empty SBHS

[General]
1-2ms delays on guitar hitsounds (I think?) Fine, but could be removed. Well it doesn't really matter that much

Time to have a little mini-rant at why doubling up hitsounds isn't a good idea. Essentially, it's a matter of trying not to make it all too overpowering in general, which the hitnormal in particular at 140% is, in my opinion. It also makes copying the volume across extremely difficult for the lower difficulties, hence why some sounds have entered the storyboard, which is highly discouraged due to sounding extremely similar to hitsound feedback when actually hitting a note. Ideally, delete everything in the storyboard since that makes life considerably easier. (Pretty sure you've been recommended to do this already, but whatever.) Removed some SBHS on low diffs, but some of them are necessary so I'll keep them

Now for a mini-mini-rant on why I hate hitsound importing. Put simply, you can only put one on each note. Affects the easier diffs more, but you'd struggle again to accurately apply/copy the hitsounds. (Personally, I find it much quicker to use the "wcf" method and import for keysounds only. If you've got time I'd suggest trying to rehitsound with "wcf", since it will mean that you don't need to use the storyboard at all.) Hitsounds are practically copied /fixed, so I can't find any reason for rehitsound by anonther method, just for changing the way they display?

I've noticed that the samples themselves are actually quite quiet, so you can increase the sample volume manually by using something like Audacity since they occasionally blend in a little bit too much for me, particularly guitar and hitfinish.

Perhaps another hitsound imbalance since the hitnormal (at 100%) appears to be louder/more audible than the hitfinish (at 50% because why?). Alright I decreased volume of hitnormal, it should be suitable now

And of course, there are still a few hitsound inconsistencies about. The likelihood is I won't be able to catch them all so best that you look through those again. (Like for 00:53:071 between Easy and the others) Fixed and fixed a few others as well

Etsu's Easy
Amongst all the imports...

Speaking of that part...
00:42:904 - feels a little counterintuitive to not have a note here when there's 00:42:238 (42238|1,42571|0), since they're following the 1/2 movement here. If it's not there because you don't want it to be too dense, I'd think about removing 00:42:404 (42404|2) as well since the sound present here is not particularly loud at all.
01:04:238 (64238|1,64738|2,65404|3) - Not really a fan of this since it essentially goes against the current layering that you have present throughout the difficulty. (Not really helped by the fact that the guitar hitsounds are still in the storyboard here.)

Collab Normal
00:01:405 (1405|2) - I'd recommended making this a double, more for progression and consistency than anything. (Plus there's a hitsound in the storyboard that would make more sense to be in the playfield instead) Done as you said, but I'll put hitwhistle on the board
00:02:071 (2071|0,3404|3,4738|2) etc - Not sure why these don't have C on them, to be honest. Seems like that would make a little more sense. Added... That was a mistake
00:41:738 (41738|3) - Would've thought a double for the crash here would've been a nice idea... if you wanted to do that, shorten 00:41:071 (41071|2) by 1/2 beat. 1/2 jack will be too hard for Normal
01:06:071 (66071|3,67404|2,68738|0) etc - no snares here either? Added as well

Lie
00:11:904 (11904|3) - might want to move one col left so there isn't a double jack (there isn't one anywhere else in the map from the double to the triple so I feel like it's an odd one out.) Moved
00:22:738 (22738|0) - What exactly is this following? Nearest thing I could find was the bass, but that ends at 00:23:738. Shortened it to where you mentioned
00:34:904 (34904|3) - Feel like your layering broke down a little bit here. Should this be a double?
00:40:238 (40238|3) - ^
00:40:404 (40404|0) - not imported... wut I don't like stacking too many notes with LN, so no changes here
00:41:738 (41738|2) - see Normal Will add this one
00:48:238 (48238|1,48238|3) - having these not imported hitsounds is made even weirder since the timing point volume (which these take) is 100%, while the imports are at 70%, so they sound way louder than they should. Adjusted to 70%
01:13:238 (73238|3,73321|2) - Missing hitsounds? Added

Just as a clarification, this isn't really a veto, more unrankable issue with a mini-lecture, but it would be nice to get those hitsounds sorted out.

PM me somewhere if there's anything you don't understand here/need more explanations for.

Thank you very much 007, hope I can get rebubble asap

Asherz007

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687 posts

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Asherz007 2017-11-16T22:18:39+00:00

Oh we're still here

400th post weeeeeeeeee

140% hitwhistle still feels op imo

Just other small changes, most of it appears to be ok now.

Etsu's Easy

00:53:071 (53071|2) - A bit bizarre to import the hitnormal...
01:05:404 - There's a few guitar hitsounds that were left on the storyboard unintentionally after redoing this bit, so you might want to remove those 4 sb sounds.

Collab Normal

00:33:404 - How come you're suddenly using triples for a short time here? Don't usually see triples in Normal diffs.
00:39:738 (39738|1) - Why 70% rather than 50?
01:06:071 (66071|3) - just gonna mention these snares are at a different volume compared to 00:02:071 (2071|0): intentional?

Lie

00:42:404 (42404|1,42571|2,42571|3,42738|1,42738|0,42904|1,42904|0,43071|3,43071|2,43238|0,43321|2,43404|3,43404|1) - missing hitsounds?
01:13:238 (73238|3,73321|2) - different volume to others like 00:00:571 (571|1,655|2), that intentional?

You should've called me back to check a little earlier lol, I had no idea you'd updated this nearly a week ago xd

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