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The Chainsmokers & Coldplay - Something Just Like This

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Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn
Guys.

Guys.

It's one thing to go.


"Hey, wouldn't it be cool to undermap a nearly identical section so that I can bring increased emphasis to the subtle differences?"


It's another to go

"Fuck mapping the second kiai let's just have a few clicks on the spots where there are tiny differences and see if people are blinded enough by my reputation to defend this disgusting decision"


One is smart mapping.


The other is being a pretentious twat.

And if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.


Stop attributing musical and artistic genius to a fucking joke gone way too far. It's pathetic.
Doyak
osu! Alumni
2,621 posts
Joined November 2012
Doyak
Hello everyone. Seems we need more discussion on fanzhen's Insane before moving this forward again. Make sure to reply to all the mods first.

In my personal opinion, I completely agree with that there's no good reason to justify the second kiai being composed 180-degree different way. Some people did say the song has "minor difference", so why does the map itself have "super major difference" to indicate such minor things? You also have to consider that the Hard is much harder on that part and this ruins the spread for the entire second kiai.

Additionally, I'd give my opinion on some other things as well:

@Hard: AR 6.5 seems a little too low, mainly because the map sometimes uses wide 1/2 spacings and even widely-spaced 1/4s. Furthermore, the spacing changes quite frequently so it requires quite a bit of AR reading, therefore I suggest increasing it a little.

@Regou
01:07:848 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 02:03:771 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really don't get this. Many notes are on non-existent sound and they're even heavily emphasized by jumps. I don't think the music supports this kind of rhythm emphasis at all. Like how are you going to justify 01:08:358 (2) - 01:09:450 (2) - 01:09:814 (4) - 01:10:033 (6) - , even when very obvious sounds like 01:06:392 - 01:07:557 - are just slow, passive beats?

03:16:586 (1,2,1) - 03:17:751 (1,2,1) - 03:21:246 (1,2,1) - 03:22:411 (1,2,1) - etc, basically same issue. The notes in the middle looks really forced just to create an intense movement, while the actual strong beats you hear are the other red/white tick sounds. They create active beats that do not exist in the music. There are many other ways to represent the actual strong beats.
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
rip fanzhen
VINXIS
Featured Artist
3,161 posts
Joined April 2014
VINXIS
for the record it proly took less effort to make the 1st kiai than it did for him 2 make the 2nd kiai but ye



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Renumi
Beatmap Nominator
904 posts
Joined July 2012
Renumi

Shiirn wrote:

"Fuck mapping the second kiai let's just have a few clicks on the spots where there are tiny differences and see if people are blinded enough by my reputation to defend this disgusting decision"


One is smart mapping.


The other is being a pretentious twat.

And if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.
cosmic
641 posts
Joined February 2017
cosmic
omg Fanzhen invented basic slider art and unnecessary under mapping!!1!1!! Pure Genius!
melloe
268 posts
Joined February 2013
melloe
tldr at bottom

i never called him a genius and i wouldnt call this map genius either, it's just something new and interesting that, surprisingly, works -- for me. so of course i'm fond of it, especially since i dont remember anything doing something similar. even if fanzhen disowns the kiai and calls it a joke, i'll always still like it for what it is, regardless of who mapped it.

i also don't think there are actually any significant differences, musically, between the first and second kiai; to be completely honest, i dont even hear any. it's not really consistent mapping to map the 2nd kiai this way and the 1st kiai that way, but as long as the mapping works a certain way, it doesn't need to be consistent. in fact, handsome's second section (the part of the music where fanzhen's kiai is) is mapped a bit differently from the other sections, and some of the sliders are mapped to exactly nothing in order to emphasize that nothingness, but nobody is complaining about that, except to bring it up once or twice during the modding process and then leave it alone afterwards. complaints about fanzhen's kiai aren't complaints of principle, but of degree, which i've always felt are unproductive, limiting, and way too arbitrary. "if he's only this inconsistent, it's okay. but if he's THIS inconsistent, that's just unacceptable."

even if you ignore the way the 2nd kiai contrasts with the 4th kiai, the 2nd kiai in effect does the same thing as handsome's map, which is express the music in 2 different ways and thus make the player see the same music from 2 angles. the first angle is obviously mapped to the synth, which is the most obvious mapping choice. the second angle is to express the percussive minimalism of the music which exists not in a vacuum, but which affects the feeling of the music as a whole, and the percussive minimalism in Something Just Like This is important to how the song feels. obviously some exaggeration is used to more effectively convey that aspect of the music, but exaggeration is everywhere in mapping ("extremely sʟᴏᴡ and ꓕS∀ᖵ SV is the source of ᑕᖇᙓᗩTᓰᐯᓰT૪," for instance) this is just a different method of exaggeration, and unsurprisingly, the knee-jerk reaction to any kind of difference is rejection.

the only real hard-and-fast rule of mapping is that it works. mappers have created a bunch of guidelines that we follow 99.9% of the time because there's generally no reason not to. map to the music, map consistently, have difficulty represent intensity. other well known guidelines followed less frequently: have "good flow," avoid "unjustified" difficulty spikes, etc.. but people forget that all these guidelines are derivations of the first rule, which is make sure it works. they cling to these guidelines 100% of the time instead of ~99% of the time as they should be, so if something comes along that violates these guidelines while actually working, they label it bad and shuffle along.

i'll be the first to say that great mappers everywhere are still churning out cool maps even today, but mapping really has been stagnating a little bit recently. so of course i'm glad that something interesting and new that works on several levels (one i've detailed here, and the other in my previous post) has come along, and of course i would like it to be ranked. but i've said my piece and you may now continue calling me pretentious without saying anything actually substantive, or whatever else suits your fancy. it's up to you guys to determine the possibilities and limitations of mapping now, have at it

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product


tl;dr:
fanzhen's 1st and 2nd kiai makes you look at the music two different ways
1: synth, which is the most obvious choice
2: the fact that the music is low bpm, uses little percussion, and thus can be and is heard as a slow, relaxing song. which it is.

it also contrasts with the 4th kiai, because the whole map is relatively undermapped but the 4th kiai isn't, so the 4th kiai is extra satisfying. the 2nd kiai is extra undermapped which makes the contrast even stronger

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
Regou
1,916 posts
Joined July 2010
Regou
you know what, i don't have particular reasons of making anything so even I can't understand what I'm doing sometimes. what I make at last is actually something made under random trials and I feel like it *might* work. anyway, let's try to get things explained here

Doyak wrote:

@Regou
01:07:848 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 02:03:771 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really don't get this. Many notes are on non-existent sound and they're even heavily emphasized by jumps. I don't think the music supports this kind of rhythm emphasis at all. Like how are you going to justify 01:08:358 (2) - 01:09:450 (2) - 01:09:814 (4) - 01:10:033 (6) - , even when very obvious sounds like 01:06:392 - 01:07:557 - are just slow, passive beats? I removed those 1/4 and it should make more sense now. I also used new patterns. yet, I kept 01:08:358 (2) - because I think it would make a better linkage between 01:07:848 (1) - and those slider patterns.

03:16:586 (1,2,1) - 03:17:751 (1,2,1) - 03:21:246 (1,2,1) - 03:22:411 (1,2,1) - etc, basically same issue. The notes in the middle looks really forced just to create an intense movement, while the actual strong beats you hear are the other red/white tick sounds. They create active beats that do not exist in the music. There are many other ways to represent the actual strong beats. you're like telling me to remap the whole chorus. the whole point of this part is to emphasize the intensity of the music through movement and I like this concept a lot. The feeling of this part would be so much different, let's not to use the word "worse" here, if those notes is being removed. They also shows the articulation in the music is much stronger in this last chorus, creating contrast with the 1st and the 2nd chorus therefore I think this might work. The notes added are to reflect articulations but not to create beat.
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Pachiru
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Pachiru

melloe wrote:

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
there is a difference between a lazy undermapping, and a bad mapping.
moreover, some mappers like undeadcapulet or hw that do something different and unfamiliar, and it's good, but the fanzhen's diff is not like this. there is good concepts with sliders indeed, now lets see what fanzhen will do with changes!
melloe
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melloe

Pachiru wrote:

there is a difference between a lazy undermapping, and a bad mapping.
moreover, some mappers like undeadcapulet or hw that do something different and unfamiliar, and it's good, but the fanzhen's diff is not like this. there is good concepts with sliders indeed, now lets see what fanzhen will do with changes!
if it's lazy undermapping, it's lazy undermapping that works. if it works, nothing else matters.

melloe wrote:

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product
it might be bad mapping, but then you would have to explain why it's bad. i already explained why i think it's good
_handholding
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Shiirn wrote:

if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.
A tier 2 BN nominated this map so it is, by definition, objectively good
Shiirn
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Shiirn


For what it's worth, I personally don't think fanzhen's difficulty warranted a DQ. It's rankable. Opinions and reactions to choices are a couple of the major reasons I map as well. But there's a limit.
cosmic
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cosmic

melloe wrote:

tldr at bottom

i never called him a genius and i wouldnt call this map genius either, it's just something new and interesting that, surprisingly, works -- for me. so of course i'm fond of it, especially since i dont remember anything doing something similar. even if fanzhen disowns the kiai and calls it a joke, i'll always still like it for what it is, regardless of who mapped it.

i also don't think there are actually any significant differences, musically, between the first and second kiai; to be completely honest, i dont even hear any. it's not really consistent mapping to map the 2nd kiai this way and the 1st kiai that way, but as long as the mapping works a certain way, it doesn't need to be consistent. in fact, handsome's second section (the part of the music where fanzhen's kiai is) is mapped a bit differently from the other sections, and some of the sliders are mapped to exactly nothing in order to emphasize that nothingness, but nobody is complaining about that, except to bring it up once or twice during the modding process and then leave it alone afterwards. complaints about fanzhen's kiai aren't complaints of principle, but of degree, which i've always felt are unproductive, limiting, and way too arbitrary. "if he's only this inconsistent, it's okay. but if he's THIS inconsistent, that's just unacceptable."

even if you ignore the way the 2nd kiai contrasts with the 4th kiai, the 2nd kiai in effect does the same thing as handsome's map, which is express the music in 2 different ways and thus make the player see the same music from 2 angles. the first angle is obviously mapped to the synth, which is the most obvious mapping choice. the second angle is to express the percussive minimalism of the music which exists not in a vacuum, but which affects the feeling of the music as a whole, and the percussive minimalism in Something Just Like This is important to how the song feels. obviously some exaggeration is used to more effectively convey that aspect of the music, but exaggeration is everywhere in mapping ("extremely sʟᴏᴡ and ꓕS∀ᖵ SV is the source of ᑕᖇᙓᗩTᓰᐯᓰT૪," for instance) this is just a different method of exaggeration, and unsurprisingly, the knee-jerk reaction to any kind of difference is rejection.

the only real hard-and-fast rule of mapping is that it works. mappers have created a bunch of guidelines that we follow 99.9% of the time because there's generally no reason not to. map to the music, map consistently, have difficulty represent intensity. other well known guidelines followed less frequently: have "good flow," avoid "unjustified" difficulty spikes, etc.. but people forget that all these guidelines are derivations of the first rule, which is make sure it works. they cling to these guidelines 100% of the time instead of ~99% of the time as they should be, so if something comes along that violates these guidelines while actually working, they label it bad and shuffle along.

i'll be the first to say that great mappers everywhere are still churning out cool maps even today, but mapping really has been stagnating a little bit recently. so of course i'm glad that something interesting and new that works on several levels (one i've detailed here, and the other in my previous post) has come along, and of course i would like it to be ranked. but i've said my piece and you may now continue calling me pretentious without saying anything actually substantive, or whatever else suits your fancy. it's up to you guys to determine the possibilities and limitations of mapping now, have at it

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product


tl;dr:
fanzhen's 1st and 2nd kiai makes you look at the music two different ways
1: synth, which is the most obvious choice
2: the fact that the music is low bpm, uses little percussion, and thus can be and is heard as a slow, relaxing song. which it is.

it also contrasts with the 4th kiai, because the whole map is relatively undermapped but the 4th kiai isn't, so the 4th kiai is extra satisfying. the 2nd kiai is extra undermapped which makes the contrast even stronger

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
i was just responding to the map itself and not you specifically, I don't mean to reject your opinion, I just think, that the concepts are there, but for me personally, they were done pretty lazily, and just don't feel right. I think it's cool to do new, interesting things, but this definitely felt more like it was mostly purposed to grab attention versus actually represent the song. But, that's just me.
melloe
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melloe

cosmiccc wrote:

i was just responding to the map itself and not you specifically, I don't mean to reject your opinion, I just think, that the concepts are there, but for me personally, they were done pretty lazily, and just don't feel right. I think it's cool to do new, interesting things, but this definitely felt more like it was mostly purposed to grab attention versus actually represent the song. But, that's just me.
i was talking more to shiirn, gratuitous hostility annoys me.

that's fine that you have your opinion, i dont think the map is perfect either. but personally i think this actually adheres to the music more closely and more interestingly than all other maps. the song really is kind of chill, and fanzhen's map is the only one that says "hey there's a lot going on but remember this is kind of a relaxing song too," and then maps just the snare drums

and for the record i'm actually not a big fan of the slider shapes correlating to the lyrics, and some of the resulting patterns. when mapping, lyrics are the least important part of the song imo. however, it's a viable mapping choice, and it's his map, not mine, so i'm not going to bother complaining about it.

Shiirn wrote:

But there's a limit.
but where is it? and how do we decide that? this is why i dislike arguments of degree. "you're doing something right, but do it less" is a strange statement to me. but i guess discussions of degrees are a better conversation than full out shitting on a map without considering what it's doing and how
Shiirn
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Shiirn
The limit is defined by social conventions and the comparison between intents of the mapper against the desires of the community.


If you think that that limit has not been made abundantly clear here, you are beyond help.
melloe
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melloe
good one

when you have a hard time getting something ranked you get to act all victim-y and high-and-mighty noble, and throw around lengthy, exhausted elegies about how a map is doing something right but people just don't get it, but now that you find something you can casually dislike you get to throw around careless words like that?

if a map is good it should be ranked. the limit set by the "desires of the community" is an artificial, arbitrary, and ill-informed one. if they dislike it so much it doesn't get ranked that's fine because that's how the system works, but that's on them and not the map
aesu
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aesu

VINXIS wrote:

for the record it proly took less effort to make the 1st kiai than it did for him 2 make the 2nd kiai but ye



: P
Enon
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Enon
lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
Est-
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Est-

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
sick meme
Kawashiro
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Kawashiro

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
:thinking:
Joe Castle
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Joe Castle

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
That's... That's a spicy mehmeh
7ambda
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7ambda

Kisses wrote:

A tier 2 BN nominated this map so it is, by definition, objectively subjectively good
hehe
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quick update

Natteke desu
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Natteke desu
lo when mapping only one thing in the trak became special???????????????


i like kiais and touhou
Ryuusei Aika
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Ryuusei Aika
"I want something just like this"
hehe
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updated
Vovan
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Vovan
Feedback for the new fanzhen's Insane :

  1. 00:11:343 (2) - I don't understand why these short sliders are here, that use 2 time the hitsound (beginning & end of the slider) and that don't look really pleasant and that don't follow the song very well in my opinion, please consider adding circles instead of sliders.
    If you apply, same here : - 00:12:800 (1) -
    - 00:15:130 (1) -
    - 00:25:907 (3) -
    - 01:25:907 (4) -
    - 01:40:470 (3) -
  2. 00:24:159 (5) - Remove the clap at the end and add a clap at the beginning of the next slider, it will follow what you did here : 00:17:751 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - and the song by itself.
  3. 00:34:644 (3) - Maybe add a whistle here to follow the previous sliders, this beat feels a bit empty
  4. 00:44:693 - There is nothing on this beat, so I think a circle is more appropriated than a slider in this case
  5. 00:51:101 (4) - Same thing for this circle, he isn't on the music, maybe remove it ?
  6. 01:00:421 (4) - Same ^
  7. 01:06:101 (1,2,3) - Really nice pattern, Just maybe add some timing points at the end of the sliders at 5% volume, it will give the impression that there's no sound at the end and it will emphasize a lot the beginning of the sliders. I think that's really better like that and If you apply it, don't forget to apply it on other patterns like this one !
    If you don't understand, a picture could be better
  8. 01:49:207 (3) - whistle ?
  9. 01:59:110 (6) - The end is not following the music, maybe replace it by a circle
  10. 02:50:372 (1,1) - You can improve this blanket
  11. 02:57:363 - I don't think that's a kiai o.o
  12. I just love the last kiai ! Great job ! that insane is clearly better :D Just for the last kiai I think you can improve some sounds, like the triplets on 1/8, I couldn't hear a sound on them and that's a shame :c, just adding some sound/volume on them could be perfect !
P.S : Regou's Insane don't have kiais .-.

Good luck for the next :D
pw384
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pw384
just mentioning, 03:22:994 (3) - missing newcombo on fanzhen's new insane
Einja
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Einja
insane diff (handsome's)
01:28:819 (1) -
Frostium
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Frostium
od 7 on insane, od 9 on fanzhen, od 7.5 on regou, then od 9 on master.
consider making things have a bit more spread? although i do think od9 on insane is allowed, its just extremely unusual and od 9 is almost always for an extra.
Kibbleru
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Kibbleru
irc'd the added diff

SPOILER
07:38 Kibbleru: 00:18:916 (1) - before u always placed the slider near the previous circles, but this one is just far away
07:38 Kibbleru: 00:27:072 (2,3,4,5) - could try some ascending spacing here for the increase in pitch
07:38 Kibbleru: actually that wudnt b very consistentnvm
07:39 Kibbleru: 00:45:130 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - the J lmfao
07:40 handsome: hell yea
07:40 Kibbleru: uhhhhhhh
07:40 Kibbleru: 01:28:819 (1) -
07:41 Kibbleru: LOL
07:41 Kibbleru: great speedmap bruh
07:41 handsome: Yeee
07:42 Kibbleru: 01:50:373 - intended whistle? or no
07:42 handsome: uh kinda
07:42 Kibbleru: 02:07:266 (1) - pretty sure offscreen
07:42 handsome: yet
07:42 handsome: yeet
07:44 Kibbleru: 03:24:159 (1,2,3,4,5) - i think this is kinda hard
07:44 Kibbleru: same with the other ones
hehe
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applied everything from nozhomi
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Nozhomi
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smth for Insane

  1. 01:33:479 (1) - would forget the blanket and curve it on the other side to get better flow with 01:34:644 (2) - https://puu.sh/wMExN/d60b7e3992.png
  2. 01:39:305 (2,3,4,5,6) - / 01:41:635 (2,3,4,5) - spacing increased a lot here but became smaller on a more intense section 01:43:965 - . Smth with a spacing who increase with music would fit more here instead of directly smth way bigger and constant.
  3. 01:45:712 (1,2,3,4) - I would more regroup 01:45:712 (1,2,3) - with same spacing and doing the jump between 01:46:877 (3,4) - because vocal beat on 01:47:460 - is way stronger than 01:46:877 - .
  4. 01:50:373 - Forget soft addition.
  5. 02:00:276 (1,2,3) - Imo that kind of spacing is a bit overkill, also strange considering you change it after for 02:00:858 (1,2,3,4,1) - .
  6. 02:02:023 (2,3,2,3,2,3) - and other should share the same spacing no ? Because right now I don't get it why 02:02:023 (2,3) - spacing is so different, and inonsistent with 02:11:343 (2,3) - . Same for other.
  7. 03:18:916 (2,3,1) - Spacing hi~
  8. 03:52:703 (1,2,3) - Don't perfect stack them pls thx.
Also not fan of AR8.6 on both other Insane tbh. Feels a bit low.
Hf.

Mukyu~
Realazy
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Realazy
fanzhen diff

03:33:625 (4,5) - these shouldn't be 5% volume they're barely audible
Len
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Len
modded via irc about the songs ending
Pachiru
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Pachiru
fanzhen's diff is dope now it got reworked, i really love this!
Pira
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02:19:280 (3) - sure it's not supposed to be at 02:19:353 -?

was just glancing at the diff out of curiosity xd
Cookie
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Cookie
Plaudible's Normal

01:29:402 (1,3) - Might want to overlap idk

Really good diff otherwise. I didn't see anything wrong with it


Hard

02:59:693 (1,2,1,2) - Is different from 03:09:305 (1,2) because you started with a note here 03:06:683 (1) instead of a slider. I don't know if you want to fix this, but I think it's fine how it is.

I really like the style of mapping you used in this diff.


Insane

00:25:907 (5) - Might want to snap this to the end of 00:23:576 (1)
01:38:140 (1) - You used the longer slider here but used two sliders at 00:23:576 (1,2) to match a different beat. Might want to make it consistent?
01:39:888 (4) - Might want to snap to the beginning of 01:38:140 (1)
01:59:110 (5) - Might want to snap beginning to 01:57:654 (5)
01:59:693 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - This rhythm seems kind of off because every other time throughout the song you use a note, a 1/8 repeat slider or a triple (towards the end of the song), a note, and then two 1/4 sliders. The pattern you used here fits with the song, but it's not consistent with how you mapped every other time the rhythm pops up in the song.

I really like this diff :)


fanzhen's Insane

Disclaimer: You could ignore all of these and the map would be fine. I feel like a lot of these are so nit-picky and pointless, but I'm just putting them in in case you want to fix them.

00:11:343 (2) - I don't get why this is a short slider. I kind of see why the other two are, but this one seems kind of out of place since there's not one at 00:09:887. I think that there should be 4 of them or you should ditch the idea, but that's just my opinion. It still flows well with the song. For sure keep the one at 00:25:907 (3) though.
01:25:907 (4) - ^^^ don't get why this one is randomly there. Like I can see why 01:40:470 (3) has one, but maybe I'm just missing something with this?
02:00:858 (1,3,4,1) - Might want to make these overlap better with 01:59:693 (1,2,3,4). Some are closer than others
03:15:421 (1,3,4,1) - ^^^ maybe overlap better with 03:14:256 (1,2,3,7)
03:52:703 (1,3,4) - ^^^ maybe overlap better with 03:51:538 (1,1,1)

I really liked the rhythms you mapped to in this diff :) Sounds amazing when you actually hit all the notes on time xd


Regou's Insane

The whole part before the spinner feels a bit undermapped for how hard the chorus after is. The slow part at 01:24:159 is better. That's just my opinion though.

I really love the sliders at 02:57:363 :) You did an amazing job with this map!!


Master

00:42:217 (1,2) - Every other stacked note is on a 1/2 beat so this kind of throws people off. Might want to distinguish it somehow or make it a slider? This singletap section is brutal enough as is on OD9.
02:57:363 (1) - Might want to make these slightly more noticeable? Just my opinion.
03:05:227 (3) - This note seems off. I don't know I replayed it again and it seems fine. It's because the note is higher in the song and I thought it might need to be a slider, but it wouldn't match the pattern. I'm just throwing this in so you can decide for yourself.
03:46:004 (3,4) - This is inconsistent with the patterns you were doing before. The 3->4 was always smaller than the 1->2->3 gap, but here it's the same. It makes a little more sense with the 3->4 in 03:47:460 (1,2,3,4), but still feels kind of off in both. It feels like in the last two sections you just ditched the pattern you were going with.

I'm not a fan of big SV changes (mainly because I can't play them xd), but dang does this map look good. The consistency you used with the SV changes also helped make it feel more intuitive too. Great job dude!
[Mahua]
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[Mahua]
这个强行改有点专治的意思
比较服
hehe
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hehe

Cookie wrote:

Hard

02:59:693 (1,2,1,2) - Is different from 03:09:305 (1,2) because you started with a note here 03:06:683 (1) instead of a slider. I don't know if you want to fix this, but I think it's fine how it is. yep, it is fine as it is despite being inconsistent. the vocal echoes are slightly different


Insane

00:25:907 (5) - Might want to snap this to the end of 00:23:576 (1) cool
01:38:140 (1) - You used the longer slider here but used two sliders at 00:23:576 (1,2) to match a different beat. Might want to make it consistent? although the vocals are the same, the percussion line is different!
01:39:888 (4) - Might want to snap to the beginning of 01:38:140 (1) intentional overlap, i dislike doing 'gameplay-visible' stacks
01:59:110 (5) - Might want to snap beginning to 01:57:654 (5) ^
01:59:693 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - This rhythm seems kind of off because every other time throughout the song you use a note, a 1/8 repeat slider or a triple (towards the end of the song), a note, and then two 1/4 sliders. The pattern you used here fits with the song, but it's not consistent with how you mapped every other time the rhythm pops up in the song. i do agree with its 'out of place' but i feel it is justified due my ideas of 'ascending in difficulty' for my difficulties in this set.

Master

00:42:217 (1,2) - Every other stacked note is on a 1/2 beat so this kind of throws people off. Might want to distinguish it somehow or make it a slider? This singletap section is brutal enough as is on OD9. agreed that it is tough, but i think i've created ample distinction with a perfect stack rather than an overlap
02:57:363 (1) - Might want to make these slightly more noticeable? Just my opinion. not really necessary here
03:05:227 (3) - This note seems off. I don't know I replayed it again and it seems fine. It's because the note is higher in the song and I thought it might need to be a slider, but it wouldn't match the pattern. I'm just throwing this in so you can decide for yourself. not really sure what you mean lol
03:46:004 (3,4) - This is inconsistent with the patterns you were doing before. The 3->4 was always smaller than the 1->2->3 gap, but here it's the same. It makes a little more sense with the 3->4 in 03:47:460 (1,2,3,4), but still feels kind of off in both. It feels like in the last two sections you just ditched the pattern you were going with. i get where you're coming from, but the idea behind this is to create a big climax towards the end of the song with even larger jumps and contrast to the previous patterns
thanks for modding my dude, much appreciate

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