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moonlightleaf

Sonnyc wrote:

[117's Hard]
  1. 01:06:921 (2,3) - The pattern itself is pretty fine, but since this the only 1/1 stack after a 1/2 jump during the kiai section, this pattern lacked in consistency. ---i don't think this should to fix , since it just a jump ,
[Lunatic]
  1. 00:08:244 - 00:57:656 - 01:11:774 - 01:18:833 - 01:25:230 (7) - 01:25:892 - 01:36:480 - Missing Finish ---no need i think , since lost of them like that also 00:59:421 etc that you no said , in fact , i have my own hitsound add way
  2. 00:10:892 - 00:34:715 - 00:43:539 - Redundant Finish --- like them 00:10:892 (3) has the big sound , Finish is no redundant
  3. 00:16:627 (4,1,2,3) - Personally this spacing felt less intuitive. Placing (1) closer to the previous slider, and giving more space between (2) would indicate the 3/4 rhythm interval better. --- as you said "better" , no unrankable
  4. 00:56:994 (6,1) - While (1) is bigger in sound, (6) having a stronger emphasis in pattern felt weird imo. --just iuo , (6) has big sound , so i do that
  5. 01:05:818 - 01:06:480 - Seeming your kiai section, this finish spam doesn't seems intended. If it's intended, using it consistently for the counterpart is recommended for a better organization.
Hitsound in Lunatic needs improvement imo.
if you can't understand my hitsound , i have no word to say anymore :?
Sonnyc
Thanks for the reply. You'll already know that DQ is different from an unrank.
Still if you, as a mapper, do not agree the risen points, then it's fine.
Natsu
00:08:244 (1) - cymbal is really obviously in the music, also Kwan diff is missing it. Also if you compare this sound with 01:03:171 (2) - 00:21:700 (5) - (you added finish here) are basically the same.

I agree with sonnyc with the missing hitsounds, since you added finish on similar cymbals, then I can't believe you avoid these on purpose.


Some additional mod:

General:

  1. I don't think this need an epilepsy warning tbh.
Lunatic

  1. 00:17:289 add a circle or make 00:17:068 (1) - a 1/2 slider the polarity change is super weird to play and is the only time that happens in the whole diff, so isn't consistent or comfortable to play at all
  2. 01:03:502 - missing finish here, I guess you can't argue about this one, since you added one at the same sound in the music at 01:03:171 - also as additional suggestion, wouldn't be better to follow the melody in this way:

    or
  3. 01:14:422 (4,5,6) - not that important, but shouldn't be 0,70 spacing as the other ones?
  4. 01:46:627 (7) - add finish here as well sound is similar as the previous object
  5. 00:45:303 - 00:47:068 (1) - 00:54:127 (1) - 00:59:421 (1) - 01:01:186 (1) - 01:02:068 (4) - 01:03:502 - 01:11:774 (1) - 01:24:127 (1) - 01:36:480 (1) - 01:46:627 (7) - ^
  6. 00:15:303 (1) - clap on slider body isn't on purpose right?
  7. 00:16:186 (3) - ^
  8. 01:39:127 (1,2,3,4) - you should consisder to use lower volume at the slider tails, right now sounds really spammy and not fitting with was is going on in the music
Hard

  1. 01:46:406 (3,4) - add finish on both objects
  2. 00:10:009 (1,2,3) - I really dislike this patterns, I believe this don't belong to a hard diff level, the polarity change in those patterns is really hard to play and be accurate, use sliders or unstack all this kind of patterns
  3. 00:17:068 (5,1) - according to your pattern and music, the NC should be in 5 not in your actual 1, so swap NC here
  4. then add NC here 00:18:833 (2) - and 00:20:597 (6) -
  5. 00:51:921 (1,2) - swap NC, same reason as 00:17:068 (5,1)
  6. 00:55:671 (4) - missing NC I suppose
Hitsounds in sonnyc and my mod may apply to kwan too

Edit: added some suggestion for hard diff
JBHyperion

moonlightleaf wrote:

Sonnyc wrote:

  1. 00:16:627 (4,1,2,3) - Personally this spacing felt less intuitive. Placing (1) closer to the previous slider, and giving more space between (2) would indicate the 3/4 rhythm interval better. --- as you said "better" , no unrankable
Simply meeting the ranking criteria objectively does not mean a mapset is ready for rank. The qualified section (and in fact the modding process as a whole) exists to help subjectively improve the map before it becomes officially ranked, not just point out unrankable things.


Hitsound inconsistencies have already been pointed out which I agree with - deliberately (or otherwise) skipping the finish hitsounds takes so much emphasis away from them and leaves the resulting rhythm feeling awkward and much less interesting to play.

However the issue that I'd like to draw attention to are the variably snapped stacks in Hard such as 00:10:009 (1,2,3) - shifting from a 3/4 to a 1/4 spacing with very little indication is really confusing to read for me. I'd really prefer if the 3/4 spacings were unstacked; since this pattern is used a lot, spamming NCs to highlight the rhythm would likely cause more confusion, especially since you later use 1/1 and 1/2 stacks in the diff, some NCed and others not.

Additionally, there are some aesthetics that I feel could be improved, such as:

Hard
  1. 00:51:921 (1,2) - Why not NC on (2)? The downbeat is much stronger and clearly outlines the new stanza, plus the NCed stack makes me thing you're doing something different rhythm-wise relative to your previous stacks, which is obviously not the case
Lunatic
  1. 00:21:700 (5,1) - Misaligned stack
  2. 00:31:186 (1,4) - Not a fan of this overlap personally, would prefer if 00:32:068 (4,5) was rotated 90 degrees anticlockwise and stacked with 00:30:965 (6) - with 00:32:730 (6) at [400,188] for example
  3. 00:33:833 (4,5,6) - Should (5,6) not be stacked under (4)'s tail like you did for 00:52:362 (1,2,3) - 00:55:009 (4,5,6) - and similar? Don't see why you'd space the first object but not the second considering they are mapping the same sound
  4. 00:58:539 (4,5,6) - 01:14:422 (4,5,6) - etc. ^
  5. 01:31:847 (3) - Could overlap with some skinned hp bars, would be best to move down slightly if possible to avoid this
A nice set, certainly, but a little polishing wouldn't hurt /o/
Topic Starter
moonlightleaf
thank you all ,

for be more qualified , i will change my mind to fix that you point ,

just wait qat dq this, , will check tomorrow, since busy now , for sorry bad hitsound :?
IamKwaN

JBHyperion wrote:

Simply meeting the ranking criteria objectively does not mean a mapset is ready for rank. The qualified section (and in fact the modding process as a whole) exists to help subjectively improve the map before it becomes officially ranked, not just point out unrankable things.
Pretty much this, let's do it. please do tell me if you need translation assistance.

Natsu wrote:

Hitsounds in sonnyc and my mod may apply to kwan too
apply to kwan's difficulty instead of kwan please, you want kwan screaming hitsound when you click her?
Will do a thorough check on you guys' mods tomorrow.
Topic Starter
moonlightleaf

Sonnyc wrote:

---fix all you say

Natsu wrote:

General:

I don't think this need an epilepsy warning tbh. --- since the AImod say need add it , so i think it need , so keep this

01:03:502 - missing finish here, I guess you can't argue about this one, since you added one at the same sound in the music at 01:03:171 - also as additional suggestion, wouldn't be better to follow the melody in this way: --- i perfer first picture you suggest

--- other fix

JBHyperion wrote:

00:33:833 (4,5,6) - Should (5,6) not be stacked under (4)'s tail like you did for 00:52:362 (1,2,3) - 00:55:009 (4,5,6) - and similar? Don't see why you'd space the first object but not the second considering they are mapping the same sound
--- do all like that , but keep atfer 01:43:539 (1) -

---other fix
since i am bad in hitsound , i don't know if i miss other :? ,

just wait 117 and kwan 's reply
IamKwaN
Added finishes mentioned by Sonnyc. Thank you o/
duh
osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Puzzle Maker
Artist:Ayakura Mei
ArtistUnicode:綾倉盟
Creator:moonlightleaf
Version:KwaN's Normal
Source:東方Project
Tags:東方幻奏響UROBOROS肆~dEATHtINYoVERdRIVE~ Poplica* flandre scarlet U.N.オーエンは彼女なのか? 例大祭 un owen was her touhou DreaM117er IamKwaN りいちゅ@3日目/C-14b
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Topic Starter
moonlightleaf
ok , update kwan's Normal

感谢均码
DreaM117er

Sonnyc wrote:

[117's Hard]
  1. 01:06:921 (2,3) - The pattern itself is pretty fine, but since this the only 1/1 stack after a 1/2 jump during the kiai section, this pattern lacked in consistency. >done
Thanks mod, I remove jump and stack here

這裡finish加上去:
00:08:244 -
00:11:774 -
00:13:539 -

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Topic Starter
moonlightleaf

DreaM117er wrote:

Sonnyc wrote:

[117's Hard]
  1. 01:06:921 (2,3) - The pattern itself is pretty fine, but since this the only 1/1 stack after a 1/2 jump during the kiai section, this pattern lacked in consistency. >done
Thanks mod, I remove jump and stack here

這裡finish加上去:
00:08:244 -
00:11:774 -
00:13:539 -

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Tags:東方幻奏響UROBOROS肆~dEATHtINYoVERdRIVE~ Poplica* flandre scarlet U.N.オーエンは彼女なのか? 例大祭 un owen was her touhou DreaM117er IamKwaN りいちゅ@3日目/C-14b
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475,95,63612,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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430,306,64274,1,2,0:0:0:0:
348,332,64494,1,2,0:0:0:0:
348,332,64715,6,0,P|308:292|244:284,2,120,4|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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180,376,65928,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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356,204,69789,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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196,92,75303,6,0,P|151:98|112:108,1,80,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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316,88,76847,1,8,0:0:0:0:
316,88,77068,6,0,P|312:140|304:228,1,120,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
304,252,77509,1,8,0:0:0:0:
328,336,77730,1,0,0:0:0:0:
390,273,77950,1,8,0:0:0:0:
304,252,78171,6,0,P|240:260|176:268,1,120.000004577637,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,296,78833,5,4,0:0:0:0:
48,228,79053,1,0,0:0:0:0:
47,228,79164,2,0,P|17:278|24:336,1,120,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,296,79715,1,0,0:0:0:0:
136,212,79936,1,0,0:0:0:0:
136,212,80046,1,8,0:0:0:0:
136,212,80156,2,0,P|131:161|128:127,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
168,52,80597,6,0,P|104:44|32:36,2,120,0|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,72,81480,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,72,81921,2,0,P|295:68|335:62,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
420,80,82362,6,0,P|477:131|469:208,1,160,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,264,83024,1,8,0:0:0:0:
320,232,83244,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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252,288,83575,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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320,232,84127,6,0,P|264:200|200:216,2,120,4|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
252,288,85009,2,0,P|196:300|160:304,1,80,0|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
84,292,85450,1,12,0:0:0:0:
24,228,85671,1,8,0:0:0:0:
24,228,85892,6,0,P|29:168|33:108,1,120,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
32,64,86333,1,8,0:0:0:0:
100,12,86553,1,8,0:0:0:0:
176,60,86774,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,36,86994,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,36,87105,2,0,P|320:44|388:56,1,120,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
436,120,87656,6,0,P|392:160|392:240,2,120,0|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
472,200,88539,1,0,0:0:0:0:
472,200,88980,2,0,P|479:256|482:304,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
428,348,89421,6,0,P|376:340|336:336,1,80,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,368,89862,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,308,90083,1,0,0:0:0:0:
116,336,90303,1,8,0:0:0:0:
52,276,90524,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,276,90634,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,276,90744,2,0,P|44:224|40:176,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
84,120,91186,6,0,P|144:128|216:144,1,120,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,160,91627,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,132,91847,1,8,0:0:0:0:
260,76,92068,1,0,0:0:0:0:
244,160,92289,6,0,P|252:228|258:298,1,120.000004577637,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
325,333,92950,6,0,P|385:337|433:393,2,120,4|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
241,365,93833,1,0,0:0:0:0:
241,365,94164,1,0,0:0:0:0:
241,365,94274,2,0,P|196:362|149:353,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
40,248,94715,6,0,P|76:216|156:228,1,120,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
180,248,95156,2,0,P|192:200|200:152,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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268,116,96811,1,0,0:0:0:0:
268,116,96921,2,0,P|320:108|356:101,1,80,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
436,116,97362,2,0,P|476:148|484:232,2,120,0|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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328,332,98686,2,0,L|272:340,3,40,0|0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
260,304,99127,2,0,P|200:296|160:292,1,80,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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192,256,100340,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,256,100450,2,0,P|132:248|92:244,1,80,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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468,217,104200,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,107509,12,2,110597,0:0:0:0:
ok , update , also fix the finish u say in Lunatic and kwan's Normal

waitting for recheck , thank you all :)
Satellite
Repair ~
smallboat
Confirmed. Let it go again. Re-qualified!
Natsu
Regratz! c:
Sonnyc

Natsu wrote:

Regratz! c:
Topic Starter
moonlightleaf
Satellite | smallboat | Sonnyc | Natsu | JBHyperion | thank you all >~<
Rincewind
应该还是Mei Ayakura吧
绫仓盟在ALR和SSC参与过的所有专辑里,BK和宣传页上的写法都是Mei Ayakura
我觉得这个足够作为官方source了

EDIT:随手截了张图来作为证据

Over的BK
POP | CULTURE 5的宣传页
Topic Starter
moonlightleaf

Rincewind wrote:

应该还是Mei Ayakura吧
绫仓盟在ALR和SSC参与过的所有专辑里,BK和宣传页上的写法都是Mei Ayakura
我觉得这个足够作为官方source了

EDIT:随手截了张图来作为证据

Over的BK
POP | CULTURE 5的宣传页
不很懂这个, https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=mei% ... 0&g=0&la=0

happy30 和kiddly 是同年同月rank的 但是相反,似乎都可以? :?

看情况, dq了就改, 没dq说明可以 :)
Rincewind

moonlightleaf wrote:

Rincewind wrote:

应该还是Mei Ayakura吧
绫仓盟在ALR和SSC参与过的所有专辑里,BK和宣传页上的写法都是Mei Ayakura
我觉得这个足够作为官方source了

EDIT:随手截了张图来作为证据

Over的BK
POP | CULTURE 5的宣传页
不很懂这个, https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=mei% ... 0&g=0&la=0

happy30 和kiddly 是同年同月rank的 但是相反,似乎都可以? :?

rank时间最近的root_A / evenescene写的是Mei Ayakura
EDIT:不算什么大问题lol,反正大家都以原语言显示歌曲信息
kungfump
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
happy30
edit: sorry for necro fuck


Yeah, I definitely think the artist should be Poplica* ft. Mei Ayakura since Mei freelances for quite some circles.
Poplica* also works together with multiple vocalists.

having them both in the artist field makes it a lot more clear for people who like Poplica*'s style
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