This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, December 04, 2010 at 8:49:52 PM

Artist: Sum 41
Title: In Too Deep
Tags: DiamondCrash Larto
BPM: 115.9
Filesize: 3367kb
Play Time: 02:59
Difficulties Available:

1. DiamondCrash's Hard (4.48 stars, 325 notes)
2. Easy (1.11 stars, 186 notes)
3. Larto's Insane (4.54 stars, 297 notes)
4. Normal (2.07 stars, 213 notes)

Download: Sum 41 - In Too Deep
Download: Sum 41 - In Too Deep (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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One of the good song of Sum 41.

First section;
BPM - 115.8
Offset - 4129

Second section;
BPM - 116.1
Offset - 24853

You'll need to remap everything with this new timing. Good luck!

General

Timing is wrong. I'll try to check it though later. It's definitely not one timing section.

Normal is easier than Easy (Not good)

Remove tags and remove sum41 from the source. For future referece, don't include commas between your tags. Spaces are fine.



Normal

Include more spinners and less super long sliders is my main suggestion.

00:09:603 (1) - Don't start a combo in the middle of a word. Start it here? 00:09:086 -

00:13:609 (2) - Move back to here 00:13:479 -

In fact I suggest you use more creativity and break the sliders down.

00:20:587 (4) - Start this here 00:20:740 - (This slider pattern may not work correctly placed)

00:27:823 (1) - One note? Add some more around it and make it work. Vocals start here 00:27:565 -

00:31:958 (3,4) - Better center these between 1 and 2

00:37:515 (1,2,3) - Don't overlap these notes with the previous combo.

00:38:161 (3) - This belongs here 00:38:031 -

00:41:391 - Add note?

00:41:779 (1,2) - One tick forward.

00:42:683 (1,2,3) - spacing

00:43:846 (1,2) - One tick forward.

00:46:431 (3) - One tick back

I'm going to stop mentioning these. It is obvious that a lot of your notes snapped improperly to the timeline. Check all notes that yo see on blue ticks and listen to see if they are off sync. Move them back to their proper places.

00:51:212 (4) - Not quite sure what this is meant to be snapped on.

01:04:263 (1) - One tick earlier.

01:14:601 (4,5) - Bad overlap. Fix this.

01:29:203 (1,2,3) - Spacing
01:36:439 (1,2,3) - ^
01:37:473 (1,2,3) - ^

01:51:817 (1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Something is wrong here. Check your snaps. Preferrably you should make this a break for all but your hardest of difficulties.

01:58:278 (3,4,5) - Spacing

02:14:818 (3,4) - Yeah timing is definitely off somewhere. Listen to where the vocals start. a song like this should have vocals that are more on time than that.

02:39:629 (1) - Curve this slider if you are going to keep it.

02:51:000 (1) - Unrankable. Slider cannot overlap itself. You can keep the pattern, just thestart of it cannot be over any part of the slider. Try bending the ends to fix it.

Easy

Change this to normal and change normal to easy. If you do that overhaul this entire difficulty with increased difficulty stats and maybe some faster patterns .

00:09:603 (1) - Don't start a combo in the middle of a word. add a not for the "Fall" part of it. (If you can't, I guess its okay.)

00:21:879 (2) - One tick forward.

00:32:475 (4,5) - This doesn't flow well IMO. I suggest you redue it so the jump isn't so harsh.

00:41:004 (1,2,3,4,5) - please pick a beat to follow, vocal or normal bea. Don't follow pick ad choose. It makes the map feel like it follows no beat. The OD masks it, but there is a difference in flow when you do this. Keep this in mind for the rest of the song and any beats you may have mapped in normal like that.

00:44:751 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Make the red combo spaced like the orange combo. I think it would play a lot better and makeit look better too.

(Note I'll provide screenshots tomorrow when I'm making the timing check.)

01:13:955 (6,7,1,2) - Perform a snap check. I don't think these are in the right places or distance snapped properly.

01:19:253 (1,2,3) - Spacing

01:20:287 (1,2,3,4,5) - Fix the pattern. Make it like this.

http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18772

01:31:529 (2,3,4,5,6) - pick one pattern to follow: vocal or beat

01:35:535 (1,2) - spacing is different than the other doubles like it. Put he notes closer together.

01:40:187 (3,4) - Snap check. I don't think they are placed right in the timeline.
02:00:345 (1,1) - ^
02:05:514 (1) - Next tick.
Note: This whole part is timed wrongly. I wouldn't trust the placement of your notes after the solo.


Prognosis

Bleak. The maps are spaced poorly in places and off sync throughout both difficulties. I'm 100 percent positive the timing is off in more than one area of the map and you skip large areas of beat to create uninspiring paterns that you frequently reuse through both dificulties. The lowered stats in both leave more to be desired. Raising them might make you see why some of your patterns are off. I only mentioned small amounts of what was wrong with your map. If you get these issues covered, then come back and i'll see what you missed. Remember to check the proper pattern for the song and not a mixture of vocal and beat.

TheVileOne wrote:

General

Timing is wrong. I'll try to check it though later. It's definitely not one timing section.

i dont see where its wrong.., ive' been through the song and it seems on beat, anyway on both dificulties, where do you come up with those sliders really ? its so uninspiring all of the sliders you created are off beat the dont hit anything at all not lyrics or background beats aside from the fact that they are simply HUMONGUS <--- i think my grammar is wrong there, please make some decent not too big sliders, look at others maps for reference!!!!!! study how they were built, the way beats are placed, the way sliders are placed and created, create neat cool patterns with beats and sliders but please make it fit, and no ultra long sliders

Side node: at this point i think your just playing arround and putting stuff at random wasting our modding time :

i won't change the timing until you are sure.

On easy, it looks like there's too much space between notes on the timeline. Try scrunching stuff in a bit, so that the *tss*'s line up.

Normal, a little bit of the same problem, but not as bad. Some of the timing is too close, some of it too far apart. Try to keep the rhythm uniform. Also, easier than Easy; I'd say switch the two or make Normal harder.

give me a strong argument about it.

Blue: Suggestion
Green: You should fix it, but it's not really necessary
Red: You HAVE to fix it


Overall
Remove .osb and full submit.
Remove tags and add something that's not the title the song/artist (like the album name).
Set a preview point for all difficulties.

Normal
You need a background image.
Use distance snap! >_>"
Use hitsounds!
This is more like easy, so I'll say it's an easy D;
Map it to the end!!!

Since this doesn't have distance snap, I'll only comment on REALLY bad spacing errors.

00:10:094 (1,2,3) - Move 1/2 to the right on timeline.
00:18:636 (5) - This jump is too high for an easy/normal difficulty.
00:20:966 (1,2,3,4,5) - This part makes no sense...
00:30:507 (3) - Stack with (1)
00:33:867 (1) - Spacing is too big for easy/normal difficulty.
00:41:362 (4) - New combo
00:44:980 (2,3,4) - Too hard for easy/normal.

Easy
Why is this harder than normal??
You need a background image.
Use distance snap.
Map it to the end.
Timing is totally wrong. Why did you deleted the other sections?
This entire difficulty makes no sense. I won't mod it.

DiamondCrash's Hard
<3
Still needs a background image.

I'll not give a star since this needs A LOT of work. And I really mean, A LOT.

good song^^

Now It's a Pack.

So far I have Offset = 4145
Patch it at 27371
Patch at 46538
Patch at 51165

That's what I have so far. The beat loses rhythm ever so often and it requires a patch.

Oh gods, Please find more better BG, this is really awful =/
Same BG, but more larger


[Normal]
Please make more simmetry, it looks ugly =/
add DiamondCrash in Tags
Your need hitsounds
00:24:854 - is note isn't on second timing section.
01:08:498 (1,2) - one tick right
01:13:409 - one more repeat

[Hard]
Resnap ALL notes
00:51:183 - add spinner :3

Hi! I'm moding this

[Normal]
00:11:394 - Add a note here.
00:10:359 (4) - New Combo colour
00:49:115 (1,2,3,4) - Move to the white tick <<<
00:10:359 (4) - Add a note here
00:29:990 (1) - Delete new combo colour and add it here: 00:31:024 (3) -
02:10:783 (1,2,3) - Move to the white tick >>>
02:12:592 (1) - Move it to the white tick <<<
02:16:727 (2) - Move it to the white tick <<<
02:18:795 (1) - Move it to the white tick <<<
02:20:345 - Why do you add a break here? I've already seen longer sections with no beats in this map.
02:22:154 (1) - Delete it
02:28:357 - Add a note here

You forgot adding hitsounds to the end of the map.

Follow up mod
General

DiamondCrash needs to be in the tags of all difficulties. DC's Hard doesn't have it.

Take Louis's BG, because the current one is too pixelated.

Normal

This can pass as your easiest difficulty. (Let me take a closer look once we fix up your sliders some.)

Note: I can't give this a thorough mod until you go through the map and fix your beats. There are still many sliders not ending where they should be and you kind of destroyed some of your beats. Example: 00:08:288 (1,2,3,4) - Doesn't cover nearly enough of the beat. 00:12:430 (2) - Extend this to 00:13:465 -. I will work with you in fixing these things only through irc.

00:13:983 (3,4,5) - You should straighten these. Move 4,5 up and right 1 unit.

00:18:642 (4) - Fix the length of this and i'll continue the fix.

00:21:748 (4,5,6) - Odd angle. Make it go up like the screenshot I showed you.


Straight combos seem to work better in this song than curved patterns.



DiamondCrash's Hard


00:12:171 (1) - Move up and left 1 unit. I think this note is a little too offplaced. My fix will put it right where you put 00:08:029 (1) - and it will conform with 00:12:430 (2,3) -

~General~
Goodness! Please find a new BG? >_<
Add DiamondCrash in the tags of all the difficulties (oddly enough, the only diff missing the tag is his difficulty)

~Easy~
01:04:622 (5) – bring it down 1 grid (don’t forget to adjust (6) after you make this change)
01:38:219 (3) – make this slider longer, ending at 01:38:736
01:27:623 (1,2,3,4) – most of the notes in the chorus are on whole beats while when you get to this part it randomly switches to 1/3s. I think that’s a bit confusing for an easy. I suggest keeping the same pattern throughout the chorus (ie: keep notes on the whole beat).
02:25:256 – add a note here
02:27:582 – add a note here
02:29:132 (1,2,3) – looks weird. Maybe you can make it straight line?
02:31:975 (3,4,1) – once again, looks weird. Fix alignment?

~DC's Hard~
nothing


I think the easy needs more work (kinda messy), but nothing too big.
Have a star

DC sorry but i am quiting osu!

=_=

Haneii wrote:

=_=

never mind

Timing Check

Add section BPM 115.75 Offset 142636
BPM 115.9 Offset 165161 (Not completely sure about the offset)


Also DC's hard has a LOT of unsnapped notes. Fix that.

Quick mod~

These are suggestions and things that I notice, you may choose to follow them or not. (Please do consider them though!)

Easy

00:08:806 (2) - These look ... not very great, so to say.
00:14:241 (2,3) - Move back to 13.983
00:22:007 (5,6) - Combine into slider
00:20:713 (2,3,4,5,6) - Consider:
00:27:923 (1,2) - Combine into slider
00:29:215 (3,4,5) - Too close
00:31:283 (2,3,4,5) - Straighten these, or at least make it more readable.
00:38:002 (2) - Turn it so it's vertical, then space correctly.
00:39:036 (3,4,5,6) - Move so it starts 00:39:294.
00:41:362 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - What happened to the hitsounds? Also, spacing
00:46:272 (2) - Remove.
Check spacing again. It's not consistent. (ie 5~6 at 02:19:570)
01:08:757 (2,3) - Make a single repeating slider
01:13:409 (4,5,6) - Simplify as ^
01:22:713 (3,4,5; AND 6,7,1) - ^
Actually for most of these triplets do as ^ as it's an easy
02:43:369 (4, 5) - goes beneath the slider, not to the right?
(Offset should be at 165,419 for this timing section)
03:06:644 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - These are mistimed. I cannot help you there.

DC's hard
00:11:135 (5) - Out of screen
A few other things touch the healthbar, though acceptable IMHO I don't like it ^^"
Otherwise this difficulty is fine~

Good luck.

Hi,

The second sections exact bpm: 116,10.
And err... i think the background is kinda annoying.
But thats just my opinion

Star aswell i guess...

Here's a mod, from me to you.

Blue = Suggestion Red = Check this

[Timing]
-BPM sounds better at 116. It goes off track later on at 115.9

[Easy]
-Spacing is quite irregular, but do not fear! For I have provided you with the first section of spacing fixed!

Download: Sum 41 - In Too Deep (loser101) [Easy].osu

Try to make sure combos are either linear or at least look like they are supposed to change direction; having a single note change it's orientation just looks messy.

01:43:130 (1) - I suggest moving this back to 01:42:354, and hgave it finish at 1:47:523. Also, change the hitsound to a finish, if you would :3

03:06:903 (1,1) - ...Yeah. You'd only need one of these spinners and that one would probably need to be halved in length.

I'm modding in place of Larto. He agrees with the contents of this mod post.

Easy:

1. Those spinners in the beginning? Please get rid of them. They are not suited for an Easy or Normal.
2. As Azure_Kyte said, please respace. Look at the example he set for you and follow that please.

Normal:

1. Please make sure not hit objects one beat apart are touching each other.

Other than those things this is a very grand piece of art!

GO RANKED!!!

Download: Sum 41 - In Too Deep (loser101) [Larto's Insane].osu

LETS GET BUBBLED

General;
- Get anothe BG, the one you have is poor quality and not 1024x768 or 800x600, it has to be those sizes

Easy;
- Hitsounds are too loud
- 00:15:536 >> remove new combo
- 00:21:748 >> ^
- 00:22:524 >> add finish
- 00:24:822 >> remove whistle from the body of the slider, just add it at the end and start of it
- 01:04:105 (2,3) >> spacing
- 01:10:307 (1,2,3) >> ^
- 01:12:375 (1,2,3) >> ^
- 01:28:140 (1,1) >> ^
- 01:35:893 >> remove new combo
- 01:42:354 (3,4) >> spacing
- 02:10:783 (1,2,3) >> spacing
- 02:12:850 (^) >> ^
- 02:16:986 (^) >> ^
- I'll stop here or all my mod will be just spacing errors, seriously, take a look at your whole map and check spacing


Normal;
- Check the spacing, in the whole map
- Add hitsounds
- Place notes better in the playfield
- Slider velocity is too slow for Normal

DC's Hard;
- 00:11:912 (6,1,2) >> spacing
- 00:51:183 >> maybe add a spinner here
- Umm, there's a part when you place notes in blue ticks, after 02:22:671, doesn't sound good imo

Larto's Insane;
- Seems fine ...

* Star

i love this song , really

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