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You went towards a bit extreme part of the spectrum. Yea majority can't help themselves and there is little point in helping if they are not cooperating, but think a little about what an undiagnosed group of people can bring to the rest of the population. You have to understand the ones that cannot be helped to make sure everybody else can be helped before they go into a state they cannot be helped.B1rd wrote:
Are you done beating up the strawman you created? I mean, I was only talking about the effect welfare has, it's a bit early to pull the 'dying on the streets' card.
honestly the world is too big to help everyone, sometimes it's actually better to just care about only yourself
Not sure I completely understand what you're saying.abraker wrote:
You went towards a bit extreme part of the spectrum. Yea majority can't help themselves and there is little point in helping if they are not cooperating, but think a little about what an undiagnosed group of people can bring to the rest of the population. You have to understand the ones that cannot be helped to make sure everybody else can be helped before they go into a state they cannot be helped.
We need welfare because those that cannot afford it will spread their disease to the rest of the population. Additionally, it's worth learning how to prevent people from becoming those that cannot be helped.B1rd wrote:
Not sure I completely understand what you're saying.abraker wrote:
You went towards a bit extreme part of the spectrum. Yea majority can't help themselves and there is little point in helping if they are not cooperating, but think a little about what an undiagnosed group of people can bring to the rest of the population. You have to understand the ones that cannot be helped to make sure everybody else can be helped before they go into a state they cannot be helped.
What am I reading.
I need a power-up for osu!, but to not invade Russia in the wintertime.
Opposing viewpointsB1rd wrote:
What am I reading.
An argument against yours. Looks like you are so far in one side that you can't comprehend anything else and dismiss it as ridiculous. Try to understand that paying that programs are needed to ensure that society doesn't destroy itself due to the lack of ability to sustain itself. There is also a similarity between developed countries helping third world countries and the government's helping its poor. It ensures the societal development where otherwise there would not be any.B1rd wrote:
What am I reading.
Rest assured, if I could understand what your argument was I would respond to it. But when you start talking about unspecified diseases infecting the population, "they who cannot be helped", I have no idea what you're talking about, much less how it is related to welfare. And now you're accusing me of partisan bias out of nowhere.
I'm not sure if B1rd is actually retarded or if he's just been indoctrinated
So I guess this is where actual s m a r t discussions take place
No, it's just slightly less cancer than the rest of this godforsaken website, nazis notwithstanding.
This is a place where there are periods of inactivity, posting shit that is neither funny nor interesting, until someone says something someone else doesn't like. From there, an argument ensues for a few days until it settles down, and the cycle starts all over again.
lmaoJordan wrote:
what is it that other Muslims don't like about the Muslims in Albania
Think about Protestants vs Catholics, but they're Muslims.
A bit like England vs America then?B1rd wrote:
Think about Protestants vs Catholics, but they're Muslims.
I mean, that's never exploded into actual conflict in the past 100 years, unlike, say, in Northern Ireland or the Iran-Iraq WarKisses wrote:
A bit like England vs America then?B1rd wrote:
Think about Protestants vs Catholics, but they're Muslims.
not evenSerraionga wrote:
So I guess this is where actual s m a r t discussions take place
When ppl stop getting salty over politics then they can start.Serraionga wrote:
So I guess this is where actual s m a r t discussions take place
didnt have much time to throw this one together but i think it illustrates my point
Much better than Stefan threads though
You are not trying hard enough to understand.B1rd wrote:
Rest assured, if I could understand what your argument was I would respond to it. But when you start talking about unspecified diseases infecting the population, "they who cannot be helped", I have no idea what you're talking about, much less how it is related to welfare. And now you're accusing me of partisan bias out of nowhere.
In the simplest terms I can possible spell out for you:
SUPPOSE THE POOR DONT HAVE WELFARE AND NEED TO PAY FOR A HEALTH CHECK
THEN THE POOR DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO CHECK THEIR OWN HEALTH STATUS
UNCHECKED HEALTH STATUS OF POPULATION = RISK OF SPREAD OF CONTAGIOUS DISEASE
I don't need to name this "unspecified" disease. Make the name up your self. I don't need to supply real world evidence to back this claim. It's just plain logic and common sense.. If you don't get neither of that, then nothing can be explained to you unless it aligns with your own opinions.
Can we like, ban Dawnsday from posting here?
nothing
I'm pressing charges for a memeing offence, violating the fair use of OT material, and impersonating Blitzfrog. See you in court.Dawnsday wrote:
what have i done this time mom
What's that got to do with me...abraker wrote:
I'm pressing charges for a memeing offence, violating the fair use of OT material, and impersonating Blitzfrog. See you in court.Dawnsday wrote:
what have i done this time mom
If you talk about a "disease", you're talking about a singular disease. Fix your grammar before telling me I'm not trying hard enough to understand you.
Absolutely not before we ban b1rd. Dawnsday is ok in my bookKisses wrote:
Can we like, ban Dawnsday from posting here?
HOW am i copying blitzfrog i was shitposting before this clown had even contemplated coming into existence
Everything has got to do with you as of lateBlitzfrog wrote:
What's that got to do with me...abraker wrote:
I'm pressing charges for a memeing offence, violating the fair use of OT material, and impersonating Blitzfrog. See you in court.
so i have a doctor's appointment and a list of stuff i'm going to complain about
for example, why do i get cancer everyday????
for example, why do i get cancer everyday????
Because you're not married to Blitzfrog.Hika wrote:
so i have a doctor's appointment and a list of stuff i'm going to complain about
for example, why do i get cancer everyday????
no homo
nah that's ok... that would give me more cancer
Why is people having diseases that are hard to personally detect the biggest issue you see with the lack of welfare, wouldn't people suffering from diseases and not being able to pay for treatment be a bigger concern for you? Regardless of your grammatical errors, I'd have an easier time understanding your position if it made logical sense to me.abraker wrote:
In the simplest terms I can possible spell out for you:
SUPPOSE THE POOR DONT HAVE WELFARE AND NEED TO PAY FOR A HEALTH CHECK
THEN THE POOR DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO CHECK THEIR OWN HEALTH STATUS
UNCHECKED HEALTH STATUS OF POPULATION = RISK OF SPREAD OF CONTAGIOUS DISEASE
I don't need to name this "unspecified" disease. Make the name up your self. I don't need to supply real world evidence to back this claim. It's just plain logic and common sense.. If you don't get neither of that, then nothing can be explained to you unless it aligns with your own opinions.
But anyway, I'm not gonna waste my time trying to respond to your arguments if you're gonna constantly throw insults and not take the time to make your posts readable.
Diseases that are hard to detect can be an issue, but a more common issue is that it may be that they don't get treatment for it, and as a result, spread detectable diseases further to others. If the severity of the detectable diseases is high, then you get an epidemic and a sick population consisting of not just the poor. Also depending on the severity of the diseases, deaths can occur in not just the poor population because of this.B1rd wrote:
Why is people having diseases that are hard to personally detect the biggest issue you see with the lack of welfare, wouldn't people suffering from diseases and not being able to pay for treatment be a bigger concern for you?
It's in my best interest to supply the poor with welfare because of this and my well-being. If someone poor at public transport caught some disease they never got treatment for, then I am likely to get it too because I ride public transport every weekday. I don't need a sick week because someone is developing a 40c fever on the train.
The act of people suffering from diseases is a topic going from moral standpoint and not from an objective standpoint. Why I should care about their suffering should be a topic to discuss separate from why welfare should not exist because it's then a question about why I think it should exist and not why it should exist.
funny, coming from someone who's been in a permanent state of "fallen"Blitzfrog wrote:
Abraker has fallen
firstofallBlitzfrog wrote:
Abraker has fallen
hehe xdRaspberriel wrote:
funny, coming from someone who's been in a permanent state of "fallen"Blitzfrog wrote:
Abraker has fallen
What do you mean, he's literally one of only two good posters here.Blitzfrog wrote:
Abraker has fallen
I don't really get what you're saying about morality vs objectivism. Isn't one of the primary roles of systems of governance, which is what we're talking about, to reduce human suffering? If not, I don't understand by what standards the best type of government is judged. It seems you're talking about your own personal interests being the most important factor. If that's the case, then the best type of government would be a dictatorship with you at the top, if we're not considering other people.abraker wrote:
Diseases that are hard to detect can be an issue, but a more common issue is that it may be that they don't get treatment for it, and as a result, spread detectable diseases further to others. If the severity of the detectable diseases is high, then you get an epidemic and a sick population consisting of not just the poor. Also depending on the severity of the diseases, deaths can occur in not just the poor population because of this.
It's in my best interest to supply the poor with welfare because of this and my well-being. If someone poor at public transport caught some disease they never got treatment for, then I am likely to get it too because I ride public transport every weekday. I don't need a sick week because someone is developing a 40c fever on the train.
The act of people suffering from diseases is a topic going from moral standpoint and not from an objective standpoint. Why I should care about their suffering should be a topic to discuss separate from why welfare should not exist because it's then a question about why I think it should exist and not why it should exist.
Now about welfare. Note, that I never actually said that welfare should be abolished, although I am warm to that idea. Now, the primary error in your logic is assuming that without welfare, the people who are dependent on welfare with income would suddenly have no income without it. As I have already shown, the majority of welfare recipients are capable of working, and if they didn't get welfare, they could do so. Of course, as I've mentioned, reducing barriers to employment should go along with this to ensure that people can be employed. So then, these people would be able to afford health insurance.
What about the people who can't work because of a disability, temporary life circumstances, et cetera? Private charities can fill this role, and are much better and more efficient that government programs in general, for the same free-market principles in which private organisations usually can do things better than the government. For example, 70% of government welfare spending goes towards administration spending, compared with 10% for private charity. And of course, private charities are much better at helping people with the specific help they need, and much better at administering help to people who genuinely need it, compared with government bureaucracy.
And another point: in a welfare state, what is stopping every person from a poorer country immigrating to your country for free welfare? We've seen many examples of these economic migrants in Europe and America. Simply, the welfare state necessitates strong border control. And since liberals do not want the latter, well, that is a recipe for disaster. As we have seen in Sweden. http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/05/sweden ... migration/
And the final point that I'd like to make, is that welfare creates a welfare dependent population within a nation. It allows people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford kids, to have kids, which then grow up in low-income areas, destined to the same fate as their parent(s). Well, you might tell me, people would just have kids regardless and then their kids would starve. Well, I'll play the same logic card as you did; to say that people's actions are not affected by their economic circumstances and opportunities is ridiculous. No doubt it would happen, but I doubt as many teens would have a baby without a guaranteed welfare check from the government. The reduction of welfare would encourage only economically stable married couples to have kids, which is a better thing for society.
Stefan has all the power to lock every OT thread, but he is not using it to invade Russia in the wintertime.
good 4 him
good 4 him
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because B1rd's posts gave me cancer anyway.
ftfyKappa FrankerZ wrote:
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, becauseB1rdBlitzfrog's posts gave me cancer anyway.
Smoking feels like you fc'd a chart and got a top 10 in your pp and a huge rank boost.
I like the taste and the smell and the feeling and I reccomend it.
I'll eat enough fast food to die from a heart attack first.
I like the taste and the smell and the feeling and I reccomend it.
I'll eat enough fast food to die from a heart attack first.
How can cancer get cancer? This is the next philosophical question we must engage on.
By getting B1rd, the cancer of cancerB1rd wrote:
How can cancer get cancer? This is the next philosophical question we must engage on.
I am saying that I am approaching this argument purely with an objective view point. This is to put morality out of the question since morality is subjective, and therefore, cannot be proven. Objectively, my survival comes first before others. That doesn't mean I will enjoy an all powerful leader in a system.B1rd wrote:
I don't really get what you're saying about morality vs objectivism. Isn't one of the primary roles of systems of governance, which is what we're talking about, to reduce human suffering? If not, I don't understand by what standards the best type of government is judged. It seems you're talking about your own personal interests being the most important factor. If that's the case, then the best type of government would be a dictatorship with you at the top, if we're not considering other people.
I agree. People who have an established income can have welfare. For people that do not, let's see the next point.B1rd wrote:
Now, the primary error in your logic is assuming that without welfare, the people who are dependent on welfare with income would suddenly have no income without it. As I have already shown, the majority of welfare recipients are capable of working, and if they didn't get welfare, they could do so. Of course, as I've mentioned, reducing barriers to employment should go along with this to ensure that people can be employed. So then, these people would be able to afford health insurance.
Ok I have to agree with this too. It does look like a viable solution. However, it is not a better option during an economic depression. Since it's privatized, it depends on philanthropy which in turn depends on the economy. Not saying that it's a bad option altogether, but offering the flexibility for government social programs to make up what private charities cannot during time of crisis might be better than staying with just privatized charities.B1rd wrote:
What about the people who can't work because of a disability, temporary life circumstances, et cetera? Private charities can fill this role, and are much better and more efficient that government programs in general, for the same free-market principles in which private organisations usually can do things better than the government. For example, 70% of government welfare spending goes towards administration spending, compared with 10% for private charity. And of course, private charities are much better at helping people with the specific help they need, and much better at administering help to people who genuinely need it, compared with government bureaucracy.
Ok, I agree with point too.B1rd wrote:
And another point: in a welfare state, what is stopping every person from a poorer country immigrating to your country for free welfare? We've seen many examples of these economic migrants in Europe and America. Simply, the welfare state necessitates strong border control. And since liberals do not want the latter, well, that is a recipe for disaster. As we have seen in Sweden. http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/05/sweden ... migration/
While this point applies to couples that think things through, this doesn't prevents couples from having children in unfavorable economic conditions. How do you apply this point for those cases where children were born due couples carelessly having unprotected sex?B1rd wrote:
And the final point that I'd like to make, is that welfare creates a welfare dependent population within a nation. It allows people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford kids, to have kids, which then grow up in low-income areas, destined to the same fate as their parent(s). Well, you might tell me, people would just have kids regardless and then their kids would starve. Well, I'll play the same logic card as you did; to say that people's actions are not affected by their economic circumstances is ridiculous. No doubt it would happen, but I doubt as many teens would have a baby without a guaranteed welfare check from the government. The reduction of welfare would encourage only economically stable married couples to have kids, which is a better thing for society.
Kappa FrankerZ wrote:
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because B1rd's posts gave me cancer anyway.
Im dedicating a post to how dreadful mental health support is in England.
Seriously it's actually appalling. Carry on.
Seriously it's actually appalling. Carry on.
Please don't make this into a meme.ryyushi wrote:
Stop trying to share your sick addiction on OT. Share it with me instead. I'm boring because I smoke reds thoughYuudachi-kun wrote:
Smoking feels like you fc'd a chart and got a top 10 in your pp and a huge rank boost.
I like the taste and the smell and the feeling and I reccomend it.
I'll eat enough fast food to die from a heart attack first.
2017 and people smoke cigs over joints
enjoy ur cancer and smelling like a walking tumour
enjoy ur cancer and smelling like a walking tumour
I stopped smoking almost 2 years ago.. I'm soooo proud.
Yeah you'd smell like a tumor except that deodorants nd showers are a thinglol wrote:
2017 and people smoke cigs over joints
enjoy ur cancer and smelling like a walking tumour
Foxtrot wrote:
Stop trying to share your sick addiction on OT. Share it with me instead. I'm boring because I smoke reds thoughYuudachi-kun wrote:
Smoking feels like you fc'd a chart and got a top 10 in your pp and a huge rank boost.
I like the taste and the smell and the feeling and I reccomend it.
I'll eat enough fast food to die from a heart attack first.
You dont like menthol
Angry faic
Awww I thought you tried it once half year ago and hated it. Rip lungs I guess :\Yuudachi-kun wrote:
Smoking feels like you fc'd a chart and got a top 10 in your pp and a huge rank boost.
I like the taste and the smell and the feeling and I reccomend it.
I'll eat enough fast food to die from a heart attack first.
Then I had an orgasm in my mouth
And I'm done
Cyka blyat
Why would you smoke when whisky tastes better, and doesn't give you cancer.
because if you smoke the good stuff it tastes good and you get a highB1rd wrote:
Why would you smoke when whisky tastes better, and doesn't give you cancer.
lollol wrote:
because if you smoke the good stuff it tastes good and you get a highB1rd wrote:
Why would you smoke when whisky tastes better, and doesn't give you cancer.
>whiskyB1rd wrote:
Why would you smoke when whisky tastes better, and doesn't give you cancer.
>good taste
lol the pretentiousness. Whiskey tastes like nothing. Literal shit brewed distilled bottled and sold for absurd prices. This wannabe drink that only caters for c00l guy adults should be banned/
You're pretentious for making a post about pretentious people
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
You're just butthurt alcohol in haram in your country :^)Erlkonig wrote:
>whisky
>good taste
lol the pretentiousness. Whiskey tastes like nothing. Literal shit brewed distilled bottled and sold for absurd prices. This wannabe drink that only caters for c00l guy adults should be banned/
Though, I can forgive people for not liking stuff like Jack Daniels, which is pretty disgusting. But good single malt whiskys taste amazing.
I feel like my meme was underappreciated :/
Indeed, wishing death upon hundreds of millions of people for their personal choices that don't affect others is a perfectly reasonable opinion.silmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
I appreciate your memes, Mahogany xMahogany wrote:
I feel like my meme was underappreciated :/
Sil is like one of those virtue signaling libtards on reddit. He could just as easily say I hope everyone who drinks dies in a DUI carcrash or that everyone who eats fast food should get a heart attack but he wont because hes probably a hyppocrite about that.B1rd wrote:
Indeed, wishing death upon hundreds of millions of people for their personal choices that don't affect others is a perfectly reasonable opinion.silmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
Not sure if I should be glad or disappointed for not being a part of your memeMahogany wrote:
I feel like my meme was underappreciated :/
Idc if people smoke or not, as long as they keep a fair distance from me or anyone that doesn't want to get their lungs exploded from smoke exposuresilmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
Oh I only tried Jack Daniels because it's popular and shit. Couldn't finish 50cl bottle it's been lying there for months.B1rd wrote:
Though, I can forgive people for not liking stuff like Jack Daniels, which is pretty disgusting. But good single malt whiskys taste amazing.
On another note I've been trying to spark some discussions or reactions but it always comes to insulting my nationality. Turkey is not a third world shitfest place like middle earth what the hell.
Lord of the Rings is a third world shitfest ITT
I like the frame you used for my avatar.Mahogany wrote:
I feel like my meme was underappreciated :/
they do this for, like, every Turkish, Indonesian or FilipinoErlkonig wrote:
Oh I only tried Jack Daniels because it's popular and shit. Couldn't finish 50cl bottle it's been lying there for months.B1rd wrote:
Though, I can forgive people for not liking stuff like Jack Daniels, which is pretty disgusting. But good single malt whiskys taste amazing.
On another note I've been trying to spark some discussions or reactions but it always comes to insulting my nationality. Turkey is not a third world shitfest place like middle earth what the hell.
Says the person who supports fascistsB1rd wrote:
Indeed, wishing death upon hundreds of millions of people for their personal choices that don't affect others is a perfectly reasonable opinion.silmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if you two met in-person.
I'd leave immediately probably
it would be interesting though, considering b1rd couldnt just pretend im not there
it would be interesting though, considering b1rd couldnt just pretend im not there
Says the guy who thinks calling people out on their bullshit is indicative of facism because those people are the media
No, I fully support calling people out on their lies, regardless of who they are
:thonkang:
I can support this meme
you should try league of legendssilmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
This post proves that you're just trolling. Man you've been fooling us good so far. Before this i wasn't sure yet, but nobody can be this stupid.B1rd wrote:
Indeed, wishing death upon hundreds of millions of people for their personal choices that don't affect others is a perfectly reasonable opinion.silmarilen wrote:
i hope everybody that smokes gets cancer and dies at a young age
Enlighten me to your reasoning, because I have no idea.
don't affect othersmeh smoking anything near anyone affects them
Pretty sure that people who overreact and start a fake coughing fits because they got a tiny whiff of smoke are just being retards. Smoking causes caner yes, but even people people who inhale high concentrations into their lungs often live to a ripe old age. I doubt just breathing in a little bit would present a high risk, especially compared to car exhaust and random pollution we're exposed to regularly.
Regardless, being a smoker doesn't necessitate you ever smoke near other people in the first place.
Regardless, being a smoker doesn't necessitate you ever smoke near other people in the first place.
Especially near your children.Dawnsday wrote:
don't affect othersmeh smoking anything near anyone affects them
Parents smoking near their baby should be quarantined. Passive smoking is so harmful yet so common..