Elmo and Cookie Monster - Cookie-Butter-Choco-Cookie [Osu|Ca · forum

Aurele

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Aurele 2017-02-06T00:55:09+00:00

idk monstrata asked me to look at the taikos

disable the countdown on Ren's Insane, it's the only diff that has it, lmao.

Ozzy's Muzukashii

00:21:866 (57) - We can hear Elmo's voice more than Cookie Monster's and Elmo's voice is highpitched here, a k will fit better in this case.
00:26:057 (68) - 00:27:822 (72) - Since it's an easier difficulty, I believe you should not have four 1/4 D and four 1/4 K. I believe you were following the lyrics "Choco-Cookie" & "Butter-Cookie" and that's why you've made it this way. However, I believe you should be following the song's beats instead. So, having a rhythm like that would be better:

*these notes have a finish hitsound
00:29:587 - just look at Oni's point :3

Ozzy's Oni

00:29:587 - 00:30:028 - Because there are strong noises at those two points, I believe a don should be added there. It's also a point where the sound is pretty obvious whenever I hear the song and it should be emphasized. Not doing so will leave this ignored and will lead to confusion.
00:34:440 (112,113) - What about k d in here? I've been test playing this, and the d at first and the k after sounds and plays pretty weird. If you do CTRL+G on these two objects, the rhythm will be better and the k will sound better as well.
00:34:881 (114) - I'm not sure about this one, but if you apply the previous suggestion, I feel like a k will be better here. (Having a d sounds good also, so its up to you!)

I love your diffs~ :3

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-02-06T01:00:41+00:00

ctb

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Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-02-06T01:10:40+00:00

[ Joey ] wrote:
Hello!
[notice]Spicy Triangles
00:08:410 (1,2,3) - Lower the volume of these slider ends? Fixed
00:11:057 (3,4) - Lower the volume of these circles? Ok
00:15:028 (6,7,1) - These jumps seem kind of large considering there are no vocals on them Fixed
00:30:690 - Lower volume of slider tail?ok
00:32:234 (1,2,3,4) - It sounds like the 3-4 jump should be larger than the 1-2 jump I want the square pattern though. I think this ends up working pretty well to emphasize 3 still.

Hard
00:18:557 (3,4,1) - This flow is a little weird. I think I would prefer it if entrance into the slider was a little more natural, so I would move (1) up a little Mmm, the flow feels fine for me x___x

If I didn't mod your difficulty, it means I thought it was perfect

Thanks Joey!

Nao Tomori wrote:
@sotarks that giant paragraph was something i posted on supercell - hero a long time ago

[monstrata's hard]
ar7 seems lower than normal for this kind of thing, since foxy's diff has ar 7.5 and appears to have similar note density. Agree

00:25:175 (5) - seems like a weird place to put a wide large jump. 00:24:954 (4) - seems better for that since it's the end of the vocal line. Fixed

00:33:999 (5) - this thing looks kinda ugly maybe make it a normal lightning bolt thing? Yea.

[monstrata's insane]
00:10:616 (1,2) - seems underspaced cuz of the clap hitsound thing I think it feels fine.

00:36:646 - these seem very overspaced for how quiet the "hmm hmm hmm" thing is lol... Made them smaller.
at the comparable part at 00:08:410 (1) - you put small DS sliders, not even jumps, even though it's a louder vocal part. in terms of actual jump parts, you put
00:31:351 (1) - at 1.0 spacing increasing to 00:32:675 (1) - at 3.0 spacing but 00:36:866 (2) - are even bigger and they barely have anything substantiating it. unlike quaver, it isnt like the song is getting higher in pitch or anything so it's hard to justify this diff spike imo. This one's mainly just a structural thing, and to emphasize the last two notes with the much larger spacing. If I used consistent spacing i won't get that emphasis, and i'll lose out on the structure.

at least in nino's diff his spacing is consistently very high, this one just seems weird cuz of that.

[spicy triangle meme name idk]
00:11:499 (4) - doesn't sound like anything here in the song that warrants an extra circle Removed

00:21:204 (2,3) - the spacing here looks a little small, even though the vocal is not as strong. it makes the jump to 4 very big, perhaps bigger than the "BUTTER" warrants. I think the Butter warrants the jump cuz of how loud it is lol

00:34:881 (1) - these seem excessive for the same reasons i stated in the insane section above Nerfed by a lot.

hope this helps! can't wait for this to get ranked so it becomes my top play!
...

someone tell whirl how to edit copypastas properly plz..
I'm sorry, but this is excessive. In less than 2/10ths of a second, you make the player go almost entirely across the screen, with AR8 and OD9. No, this is not okay. I get that this is 136bpm with a relatively low SV, but that still doesn't mean you should you 10+ DS. I can't even remember seeing that outside of VERY slow songs or TAG maps. This is neither, and considering the sound mapped, it makes no sense when compared to the next combo. So, you made a jump with less than a 1/10th of a second gap that large because...? This is a jump all the way across the screen with a comfy 84ms to react with. There's no possible musical justification for this. This is overmapping. WAY overmapping. There is NOTHING warranting this, considering how tame the riffs here are. This is many things: Overmapped, ugly, and needless. I'm listening to the same instruments as you, and nothing is there that warrants you doing this with such distance. Okay, that part of the song is barely of any note whatsoever. Stop putting in these jumps just because you feel like it. This is just a mess. There's a big difference making compact streams and basically testing the limits of the stack leniency. This looks absolutely terrible. Clean it up a bit. These are very clearly overmapped. Disgustingly so. Same deal. Just because a computer can flawlessly do it does not mean you should slap it everywhere. I am convinced you did this solely to bump up SR. There is never any reason to do crap like this. Nothing musically, especially. Same deal. Same deal. Same deal. This part is so tame, and yet you act like you're mapping speedcore. Stop doing ridiculous things just to raise SR! Same deal. Again, stop taking tame parts and acting like they can justify obscene jumps. This is the simplest chord, and you put a jump clear across the screen for no reason other than the fact that you could. Stop with EVERYTHING like this. Not only are none of these called for, but the whole thing looks like a mess. Same deal. You can at least try and make these presentable. This is REALLY bad. Stop doing this. Make actual patterns instead of deliberate raises of SR. Same deal. This is an awful design. Fix it. You did this for SR. I heard the music. You did this just to increase the SR. Nothing here has any redeeming value. Redo it all. All you did here was put down notes on totally random areas. Gut this. I'm not joking. This is the absolute worst pattern you have EVER done. This is the epitome of overmapping, and you know it! The note progression is not that overly dramatic. This jump is just atrocious. You're rolling through streams, and then you decide a jump with nearly a DS of 12 is needed. Revolting. Congrats, you made a jump with 24.16 DS just because you could. Most troll maps I have don't come close to that. This is vile. Stop doing these things. You did the same thing here. What is wrong with you?

Finally done with that piece of worthless junk. Crap, Monstrata, when you started making things like Aitakatta Sora and Anime Medley IV, I actually started getting my hopes up that you were finally going to break out of your terrible TV size stage and start cranking out truly admirable maps. Even though Bill Nye raised a red flag or two, I still had high hopes. And then this self-indulgent pretentious abomination gets vomitted onto the site. This is not only your worst map, but possibly the worst map I have ever seen. Why? Others were bad as satire, ignorance, age, or inexperience. You qualify for none of these categories, you have no excuse. Believe me, I have nothing against cartoon music, be it anime, rock or pop. And I have no problem with someone in the osu community championing the genre as a flagship of broadening horizons. What I do have a problem with is that you, the person championing it, have absolutely no respect for the music or its structure. At the slightest strum of a guitar or hit of a snare drum, you are more than happy to start disregarding the music and just throwing ugly and pointless jumps where you just make the distance and position anywhere you feel like, no matter how awful the end result is. This vulgar excuse for a map reeks of every stupid and arrogant Monstrataism the community has had to bear witness to: Extreme jumps with no musical reasoning, sky high DS at random times, streams that just decide to jump to some random part of the playing field with no warning, buckshot spread patterns with no cohesive structure, streams that space out to absurd degrees, rampant abuse of SV changes and BPM modification to cover up lazy mapping, slider jumps that clearly are just cases of Ctrl+H and Ctrl+J abuse, and worst of all, using the music genre as your own little shield to justify every little moment of "I map like this because fuck you, I'm Monstrata" you can stuff in your pathetic and self-subservient maps. Stop using songs as canvases for your abhorrent "artistry", stop using your cult of personality to force your lazy work on others, and stop thinking that maps are good just because a computer designed to perfectly perform with flaw can manage to beat it.

edit: someone change the 123 on the sesame street to 727 please..

Gus wrote:
hello, m4m from your queue!

starting from highest difficulties since i mod those better heh

ok everyone in this set is pretty good at mapping so im going to be absolutely nazi in this mod, as best I can, to help

[Spicy-Triangle]

00:09:734 (1) - ctrl g for better emphasis

00:11:499 (4) - i agree with the above modder here, in fact, i think there are stronger sounds in this small 1/4 section than the white tick, so perhaps make a repeat slider to cover the 1/4 from 00:11:239 - 00:11:870, i think it fits the sound particularly well Agreed, removed.

00:16:351 (3) - emphasize consistently with 00:23:410 (3) pls Same as Insane, I want something different xd.

00:32:234 (1,2,3,4) - rotate 20 degrees so there's directional consistency with 00:31:351 (1,2,3,4) I like the offset rotation here tho.

[Insane]
00:09:734 (1) - ctrl + g, same suggestion as before in your higher diff, then adjust spacing appropriately here I prefer how it is. The emphasis comes from the slight flowbreak because the drop-off flow is too steep so you'll actually have to move your cursor backward a bit and create a bit of a flowbreak.

00:23:410 (5) - i think this should be emphasized more than just with hitsounds, perhaps space it more Yea sure!

00:28:704 (5,6) - space consistently as done at 00:26:940 (5,6) I want something different here, 3/4 rhythm vs 1/2 rhythm allows for a jump.

[Hard]

00:01:793 (2) - eh, i'd just make this directionally consistent with 00:01:352 (1,3) then 00:02:896 (4) - ctrl g this I like these ctrl+h slider patterns. Its just something i do a lot cuz parallels are lame xd.

00:30:028 (2) - maybe rotate so its directionally different than 00:29:587 (1) - and adjust 00:30:469 (3) - accordingly, just a visual appeal thing Sure

00:33:999 (5) - looks better without red sliderpoint, just have it be a normal gray one Agreed.

holy I hope this helped y'all? honestly the set looks pretty solid just a few inconsistencies here and there

TaMul wrote:
Hi~ Monsterrata~

[Hard]
00:04:881 (1,2) - as you know, you can heard drum sound like "ddung~" on song. so add drum clap on (2). another part too~yea
00:26:057 (1,2) - add drum sampleset for emphaszing.too loud imo
00:27:822 (1,2) - ^^
00:30:469 (3) - add finish yea

[Insane]

00:05:543 (3) - same to hard diff. add clap~ Fixed all below!
00:23:410 (5) - NC?
00:26:057 (1,2,3) - same to hard diff. sampleset drum Except this, i think sampleset drum makes it too loud
00:27:822 (1,2,3) - ^ ^
00:30:469 (1) - finish
00:37:087 (3) - try adding whistle

[Spicy-Triangle-Monstrata-Cookie]

00:05:543 (4) - same another diff. add clap agreed
00:23:410 (3) - there is changing of velocity. add NCyea
00:41:940 - why kiai not end? make inherited point for ending kiai. My mistake
so lots of diff!!!!!!! and so cute song!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck!

Thanks for the mods!!

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-02-06T10:22:55+00:00

Note to self: Add people to tags

SYAHME

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SYAHME 2017-02-07T02:49:04+00:00

No CtB :-(

Foxy Grandpa

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Foxy Grandpa 2017-02-07T03:35:25+00:00

SYAHME wrote:
No CtB :-(

ascendance wya

Ascendance

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Ascendance 2017-02-07T03:52:16+00:00

FoxyGrandpa wrote:
SYAHME wrote:
No CtB :-(
ascendance wya

If he'll let me I can map a rain in like 20 minutes

Chromoxx

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Chromoxx 2017-02-07T05:29:15+00:00

hi, quick check for taiko

[Muzukashii]
00:26:278 - 00:28:043 - if you don't apply the thing that gabe said about this i'd suggest deleting these notes, since as it is now these parts are actually intenser than 00:31:351 - which shouldn't be the case imo
00:31:351 - before this point the diff is a bit too similar to the oni imo, maybe nerf a couple of notes or add a few in the oni and we're good

[Oni]
seems fine :d

OzzyOzrock

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OzzyOzrock 2017-02-07T05:57:40+00:00

Gabe wrote:
Ozzy's Muzukashii
00:21:866 (57) - We can hear Elmo's voice more than Cookie Monster's and Elmo's voice is highpitched here, a k will fit better in this case. ok
00:26:057 (68) - 00:27:822 (72) - Since it's an easier difficulty, I believe you should not have four 1/4 D and four 1/4 K. I believe you were following the lyrics "Choco-Cookie" & "Butter-Cookie" and that's why you've made it this way. However, I believe you should be following the song's beats instead. So, having a rhythm like that would be better: no id rage hard so i made kiai harder
00:29:587 - just look at Oni's point :3 yes
Ozzy's Oni
00:29:587 - 00:30:028 - Because there are strong noises at those two points, I believe a don should be added there. It's also a point where the sound is pretty obvious whenever I hear the song and it should be emphasized. Not doing so will leave this ignored and will lead to confusion. ok
00:34:440 (112,113) - What about k d in here? I've been test playing this, and the d at first and the k after sounds and plays pretty weird. If you do CTRL+G on these two objects, the rhythm will be better and the k will sound better as well. HET
00:34:881 (114) - I'm not sure about this one, but if you apply the previous suggestion, I feel like a k will be better here. (Having a d sounds good also, so its up to you!)^
I love your diffs~ :3 ty.

Chromoxx wrote:
hi, quick check for taiko

[Muzukashii]
00:26:278 - 00:28:043 - if you don't apply the thing that gabe said about this i'd suggest deleting these notes, since as it is now these parts are actually intenser than 00:31:351 - which shouldn't be the case imo the lonesomeness justifies everything, instead i buffed kiai
00:31:351 - before this point the diff is a bit too similar to the oni imo, maybe nerf a couple of notes or add a few in the oni and we're good LUL

merci

oni

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Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-02-07T06:03:29+00:00

the dark deed is done (copy hs for me plz!)

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Chromoxx

904 posts

Joined August 2012

Chromoxx 2017-02-07T06:18:05+00:00

taiko is ready, call me back when you have confirmation for the other modes :3

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-02-07T07:49:34+00:00

00:25:616 (5) - HItsound really doesn't fit on ctb cause it's not clickable, just leave normal here

Rain
00:08:410 (1,2) - Needs more movement here, could almost be a dash
00:11:278 (2) - If you're going to do that you need 5% volume
00:12:822 (4,1) - Move slightly further for background pitch change
00:13:484 (1,2) - Reduce distance a little, uncomfy
00:24:954 (4) - Curve for more catchable droplets?
00:26:057 (1) - Could add the farm part again if you want pp
Pretty much no issues in the second half, add this to your proudest mapping box.
00:33:116 (1) - Could use a hyper around here maybe
00:34:881 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing on triple
00:37:969 (1) - Only 3/4 slider in the second half, may want to just do 1/2

OzzyOzrock

5,185 posts

Joined August 2010

OzzyOzrock 2017-02-07T07:51:02+00:00

talked to chromoxx, made muzu easier since it wasn't child friendly enough

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Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-02-07T16:38:23+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
00:25:616 (5) - HItsound really doesn't fit on ctb cause it's not clickable, just leave normal here I think it sounds okay to me but it's up to Monstrata

Rain
00:08:410 (1,2) - Needs more movement here, could almost be a dash Sure
00:11:278 (2) - If you're going to do that you need 5% volume Got messed up with hitsound copier, fixed!
00:12:822 (4,1) - Move slightly further for background pitch change mbomb style 1 grid increase
00:13:484 (1,2) - Reduce distance a little, uncomfy reworked a bit
00:24:954 (4) - Curve for more catchable droplets? slightly
00:26:057 (1) - Could add the farm part again if you want pp LOL it's really tempting but it's hard to justify here because I've followed vocals the whole time. You know how I work tho
Pretty much no issues in the second half, add this to your proudest mapping box. Ascendance and memes go hand in hand
00:33:116 (1) - Could use a hyper around here maybe Isn't it already a hyper?
00:34:881 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing on triple fuck
00:37:969 (1) - Only 3/4 slider in the second half, may want to just do 1/2 The sounds are a bit different from each other, so I want to keep the 3/4 slider. If it's a serious issue tho, I don't mind changing it.

Thanks for modding!

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ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-02-10T08:48:53+00:00

Hi~

[Rain's Easy]

00:38:410 (1) - The lyrics are very strong and outstanding here, I would suggest removing the spinner and map this part like everyone else did~

[Deppy's Normal]

00:34:881 (1) - idk if you care but this slider overlaps with that thingy below that changes depending on your accuracy (sry I never remember how that thing is called QAQ)

[Andrea's Hard]

From 00:01:352 - to 00:11:057 - your combos are every second measure and then after that is every single measure, any special reason for that or was it a mistake?
00:07:307 (6) - Andrea, is it really you? cuz that curve doesn't look smooth enough for Andrea quality~
00:39:734 (5,6) - use bigger spacing for emphasis perhaps?

[Foxy's Hard]

00:09:293 (3,1) - This blanket can still be improved a bit
00:20:101 (5,6) - another blanket that can be improved~
00:23:410 (4) - did you forgot nc for the sv change?
00:36:204 (6) - ^
00:35:101 (2,5) - blanket xd

[Gero's Hard]

00:08:851 (1,1) - Do you really need nc on these two? There's no sv change on them
00:37:087 (1,1) - ^

[Ren's Insane]

00:39:293 (1,2,3,4) - what about some variation to make it more fun?

[Sotarks' Insane]

00:09:734 (4) - nc for sv change

[NiNo's Insane]

00:24:734 (3,4) - I'm not a fan of the transition between these two objects, it just feels a bit uncomfortable going from (3) to (4)~ It would feel more natural this way imo~

[Irre's Extra]
Wow, so much NCs, do you think all of them are necessary?
Some of them felt unnecessary for me, like 00:03:557 (1,1) - 00:05:322 (1) - 00:30:028 (1,1) -

Good, feel free to call me back once everyone has replied to every mod~

Deppyforce

1,961 posts

Joined November 2014

Deppyforce 2017-02-10T09:00:11+00:00

idrc about the overlap but fixed anyways thanks!

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btw mr monstrata my name doesnt have capital F can u fix creators word lma o

DeRandom Otaku

2,136 posts

Joined November 2014

DeRandom Otaku 2017-02-10T12:33:35+00:00

@ezek , cool idea . Fixed

Also copied hs from top diff because they were still missing lol

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Foxy Grandpa

709 posts

Joined January 2015

Foxy Grandpa 2017-02-11T19:04:40+00:00

ezek wrote:
Hi~
[Foxy's Hard]
00:09:293 (3,1) - This blanket can still be improved a bit Okay
00:20:101 (5,6) - another blanket that can be improved~ Not a blanket
00:23:410 (4) - did you forgot nc for the sv change? Fixed both
00:36:204 (6) - ^
00:35:101 (2,5) - blanket xd fixed
Good, feel free to call me back once everyone has replied to every mod~

Thanks!

I also fixed some geometry and shapes.

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Gero

4,438 posts

Joined March 2012

Gero 2017-02-14T05:28:08+00:00

Joey

Gero's Hard
00:21:204 (2,3,4) - Move the (3) to here maybe: http://puu.sh/sRYMG/de14cac8af.jpg I don't like it.
I like the diff, but it's a little weird how a Hard has a lot more triples than every Insane diff It's like a Hard+ after all, so I see no problems to keep it as is it.

Nao Tomori

[gero's hard]
00:08:851 (1) - the nc use here seems unnecessary, in monstrata's top diff he didnt use nc's here and i don't think it's needed because they're all the same word over and over. 00:29:587 (1,1,1) - same here and 00:36:646 (1) - same here. I've deleted them.

00:09:954 (2,3,4) - it doesn't feel like there's anything worth emphasizing on the big white tick here so it looks like the triple is just there for artificial difficulty. I'm really sure that there's some sounds at 1/4 as triple, so I'd prefer to keep it as is it.

Gus

[Gero's]

00:01:352 (1) - think head/tail should both be clickable Why? two 1/1 sliders works just fine in my opinion.

00:22:528 (1) - the diff so far has had a lot of copy/pasted mirrored sliders, so mirror 00:21:866 (4), the slider currently is kinda ugly I don't think so.

ezek

[Gero's Hard]

00:08:851 (1,1) - Do you really need nc on these two? There's no sv change on them I've fixed them already.
00:37:087 (1,1) - ^ Same as above.

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Saileach

525 posts

Joined November 2014

Saileach 2017-02-14T06:10:25+00:00

ezek wrote:
Hi~

[Rain's Easy]
00:38:410 (1) - The lyrics are very strong and outstanding here, I would suggest removing the spinner and map this part like everyone else did~ Sure!

Good, feel free to call me back once everyone has replied to every mod~

Easy: Triangle

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JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-14T17:10:35+00:00

Happy Valentine's Day, modding ctb diff so it doesn't get deleted

General

Idk why anyone would choose to map this shit but whatever
Show minigames' creators some love in beatmap description please
Top std diff relates to a username which RC forbids. I know you're going for the 4-word thing to fit with the song, so swap your name out for something else

Ascendance's Rain

00:09:072 (3,4) - Was expecting more of a jump here for the strong vocal, feels weird for this to be walkable when compared to e.g. 00:08:851 (2,3) -
00:14:587 (3,4,1) - Would equalise these distances to make a more comfortable walk
00:17:896 (4) - Tail could be moved away from the wall to minimise risk of flowstop
00:17:896 (4,5) - Slightly unexpected antiflow dash after the hyper, consider reducing slightly (2.0x feels more comfortable)
00:20:763 (1,2) - Would expect a little more spacing here based on the previous iteration 00:18:999 (1,2) - , this is easy to overwalk
00:24:954 (4) - Any reason why this slider after hyper is vertical when previous ones were curved? It's not necessarily an uncomfortable flowstop, just a bit unexpected
00:29:587 (1,2,3,4,1) - pp xD
00:34:881 (1) - Whistle on the tail seems unnecessary to me
00:37:969 (1) - Sounds awkward extended to 3/4, there's no sound on the beat and you didn't extend any other sliders in the diff this way

Rhythm and map are fairly simple so other than those, seems fine i guess

Hope this helps, good luck!

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-02-14T17:29:41+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:
Happy Valentine's Day, modding ctb diff so it doesn't get deleted

General
Idk why anyone would choose to map this shit but whatever
Show minigames' creators some love in beatmap description please
Top std diff relates to a username which RC forbids. I know you're going for the 4-word thing to fit with the song, so swap your name out for something else

Ascendance's Rain
00:09:072 (3,4) - Was expecting more of a jump here for the strong vocal, feels weird for this to be walkable when compared to e.g. 00:08:851 (2,3) - added distance yea
00:14:587 (3,4,1) - Would equalise these distances to make a more comfortable walk picky picky
00:17:896 (4) - Tail could be moved away from the wall to minimise risk of flowstop changed the whole slider into something else
00:17:896 (4,5) - Slightly unexpected antiflow dash after the hyper, consider reducing slightly (2.0x feels more comfortable) should be fixed with the above change
00:20:763 (1,2) - Would expect a little more spacing here based on the previous iteration 00:18:999 (1,2) - , this is easy to overwalk increase
00:24:954 (4) - Any reason why this slider after hyper is vertical when previous ones were curved? It's not necessarily an uncomfortable flowstop, just a bit unexpected there's no reason wew
00:29:587 (1,2,3,4,1) - pp xD XD
00:34:881 (1) - Whistle on the tail seems unnecessary to me htisound professional
00:37:969 (1) - Sounds awkward extended to 3/4, there's no sound on the beat and you didn't extend any other sliders in the diff this way I kinda like it cuz it's like emphasis into the last part here idk :dd
Rhythm and map are fairly simple so other than those, seems fine i guess
Hope this helps, good luck!

Thanks pal

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JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-14T19:00:50+00:00

Removed a few unnecessary green lines and buffed a volume section at 00:11:278 (2) - slightly.

That done, ctb diff is fine so std peeps feel free to go ahead.

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-02-14T19:01:33+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:
Removed a few unnecessary green lines and buffed a volume section at 00:11:278 (2) - slightly.

That done, ctb diff is fine so std peeps feel free to go ahead.

Thank you!!

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-02-14T19:04:19+00:00

monstrata pls fex the NC for me zz or I won't be able to fix until next week.. ski trip

Andrea

Beatmap Nominator

16,650 posts

Joined August 2008

Andrea 2017-02-14T20:40:47+00:00

ezek wrote:
[Andrea's Hard]
From 00:01:352 - to 00:11:057 - your combos are every second measure and then after that is every single measure, any special reason for that or was it a mistake? I'm following the instruments at the beginning, that's why combos are different.
00:07:307 (6) - Andrea, is it really you? cuz that curve doesn't look smooth enough for Andrea quality~ Fixed it a bit.
00:39:734 (5,6) - use bigger spacing for emphasis perhaps? I want the last note to end on the middle, so I'll keep it for now.

Thank you ezek!

Here's the update: https://puu.sh/u3ghi/5dd3712f92.rar

Irreversible

osu! Alumni

4,315 posts

Joined December 2011

Irreversible 2017-02-14T23:45:18+00:00

Fixed all

http://puu.sh/u3tL9/3796c3a788.txt

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,106 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2017-02-15T06:35:53+00:00

@ezek : fixed

aa

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Foxy Grandpa

709 posts

Joined January 2015

Foxy Grandpa 2017-02-16T21:58:18+00:00

@Monstrata Can you add an nc 00:16:351 (3) - here for me since i forgot to change it aaa

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-02-18T17:56:04+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:
That done, ctb diff is fine so std peeps feel free to go ahead.

cool~

unko

517 posts

Joined March 2014

unko 2017-02-18T18:38:04+00:00

Scuttlebug isn't a farm map bubble that instead

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2017-02-18T18:43:57+00:00

ezek wrote:
JBHyperion wrote:
That done, ctb diff is fine so std peeps feel free to go ahead.
cool~

yo dude where's my kudosu xd

fieryrage

osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II

1,402 posts

Joined November 2013

fieryrage 2017-02-18T19:04:53+00:00

bubble guilty all the same

Nao

76 posts

Joined August 2015

Nao 2017-02-18T19:08:10+00:00

please dont rank this

unko

517 posts

Joined March 2014

unko 2017-02-18T19:22:53+00:00

There is a perfectly good scuttlebug family waiting for a ranking

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

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Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-02-18T20:10:30+00:00

Aaa forgot about that, my bad JBH.

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

390 posts

Joined March 2016

Naxess 2017-02-18T20:35:04+00:00

Greetings! I have some concerns regarding this mapset.

I'm going to go straight to the point. The spacing in most of the higher difficulties is chaos. Just because the average jump is half of the screen doesn't make them any more justified as a whole, in any way. Just because you can make the common sound go halfway across the screen, does not mean you should. You may interpret the song in this way, but I can guarantee you that you'll have people disagreeing with this interpretation.

[Cookie-Triangle-Spicy-Cookie]

00:01:352 (1,2) - 00:03:337 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Already from the first note you're conveying that these sounds are very intense, due to the difficulty of aiming the notes which reflect this in the map. This will ultimately end up destroying your overall potential of emphasis in the map, since everything is relative. Let me remind you that how well you accentuate something is not the same thing as how difficult it is to play something. It's only the difference between them that can accomplish this.

00:04:881 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - was a good approach in trying to differentiate parts of the song, but the spacing of it's section is extremely inconsistent, with 00:06:425 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - being completely different, despite it's musical similarities.

00:09:734 (1,1) - Momentum isn't exactly going in this direction either, and since it's the sound that is landed on in this case that determines it's prior distance, and that the sound itself doesn't sound out in the song, it is not reflecting it very well.

00:13:263 (7,8) - Honestly don't see why this should be spaced as much as it is. If you remove the note you'll notice that the sound it's reflecting is very faint, yet it has the same distance as 00:13:043 (6,7) - and 00:12:160 (2,3) - .

00:11:940 (1,2) - If you compare this with 00:13:484 (8,1) - there's also some very apparent inconsistencies.

In 00:11:940 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - , snares are actually somewhat emphasized in comparison to the other sounds, but in 00:13:925 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - these other sounds are sometimes even more spaced. Refer to 00:12:381 (3,4) - and 00:14:146 (2,3) - in comparison to 00:12:160 (2,3) - and 00:13:925 (1,2) - .

00:16:351 (3,4) - Having clearly different sounds symmetrical like this will make you lose relevance with the song. Instead, make (3) a 3/4 slider and arrange them similarly to like you did at 00:23:410 (1,2) - , using the same principles. In this case even the SV change is different, which makes little sense. Also NC.

00:17:675 (3,4) - This last sound isn't like the others, but it's not reflected in any way through the map, which I find odd.

I don't mean to ruin your patterns, but 00:19:219 (1,2,3) - and 00:12:160 (2,3,4) - are analogous measures, yet, again, their spacing is quite inconsistent to say the least.

00:20:101 (5,6) - What are you even following here. I can't hear any sound as intense as what you're making this out to be. If you're referring to the snare, how come 00:19:219 (1,2) - , and all the previous ones, differ so much? At this point I don't even know if you're ignoring the snares or not because they don't seem to hold any relevance to the map other than in the first of these patterns.

00:21:646 (4,5,6,7) - These are, once again, not the same sounds so I don't see why you'd be making a pattern like this out of them. You mapped that last sound much better at 00:15:028 (6,7) - than you did here at 00:22:087 (6,7) - , because of the clear difference in spacing in comparison to the rest.

00:22:307 (7,1) - Is spaced pretty much exactly like 00:22:528 (1,2) - or any other sound is, despite these not being the same sounds.

00:32:234 (1,2) - These are different from 00:32:676 (3,4) - . Honestly I would recommend you prioritize the song over your patterns. We are trying to reflect the songs with our maps, right?

00:31:351 (1,2) - Doesn't even sound much different from 00:32:234 (1,2) -

00:33:116 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Yes, this is kiai. No, this does not mean you can suddenly start building up into full-screen jumps. Also isn't this the same sounds as 00:04:881 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ? The only difference is that you decided to add audible hitsounds on all the circles to make them seem like they're meant to be more intense.

00:34:660 - The longer sounds also kind of fail being reflected here because it's all just a giant pattern of circles, which makes it really monotonous, when in reality you could have used cues in the song to make it more diverse.

00:36:204 (7) - There's a vocal here which deserves emphasis, and it seems like you have tried to convey that, but when all previous notes are distanced in the same way, this becomes very difficult to do. If the majority of other notes were clearly differentiated, for example by not all being sharp angles, or at least being in some kind of recognizable pattern, then you could have brought this out much better in accordance with the song, rather than making it look and play like a giant buildup which isn't supported by the song.

00:36:866 (2) - Also makes very little sense that this would be further away from (1) than (3) is from this, if you're truly trying to accent vocals. At the moment, and to be completely honest, they seem like random wack-a-mole to the bpm, which obviously isn't an interpretation you would appreciate of your map, isn't that right? So instead, try keeping your concepts and spacing consistent with what is heard in the song that your beatmap is following. You could even take this opportunity to use sliders rather than circles, since some beats are stronger than others.

00:38:410 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This is just very over the top in my opinion. There's not even a beat going on here. Yes, they are prominent, and a clear buildup, but, again, not to the degree that this is made out to be. Even something like this would work much better.

Making changes to the mentioned parts will make your difficulty easier, and I would understand if this isn't something you would want, but I do not believe the map to be ready in this state, as it loses a large amount of relevance to the song. Many parts are extremely inconsistent and others simply aren't supported in the way they are mapped.

It's not only this last difficulty, though. Many of the other difficulties also have problems in these regards, and it would take a very long time for me to look over all of these in detail, so I would recommend you both thoroughly reconsider these, as well as gather more mods before pushing this forward.

Should you disagree with what is said in this post, then feel free to ask other nominators, just as I have, or bring your concerns and questions directly to me. Good luck!

I Must Decrease

908 posts

Joined June 2013

I Must Decrease 2017-02-18T20:40:53+00:00

i guess monstratas spicy triangle isnt so spicy after all..

im hilarious

hi-mei

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hi-mei 2017-02-18T20:44:00+00:00

lmao

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