Izumi Akazawa (CV. Madoka Yonezawa) - Responsibility Respons · forum

Sotarks

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2016-12-07T14:15:29+00:00

Oh comon deppy, just because vinxis named his diff "Kamal's Extra" you should do the same ? It's just litteraly stupid to do things like someone else because it's rankable, like Kamal's Extra is dumb aswell, and even more because not everybody knows who's Kamal, but w/e.. if you really like "Force of Deppy" just rename like that, your actual name is deppyforce, so name your diff correctly, stop making things memes everywhere and keep this serious stuff.
Same stuff for your "Insanextra", this name is not even in the dictionnary, it doesn't even mean anything.. And there are plenty words that can qualify this kind of diff, like Expert or Another for exemple, and those terms actually mean something.
I actually agree with Natsu for that, if Insanextra is passable then you can do that with others diffs, but NO. You have stuff like Advanced, Hyper, Another, and so on.. So I mean, just don't.

Also concerning this mapset, I try to get into it with a mod asap if I have time. Because holy i'm totally against those overdone jumps, and forced paterns.

Deppyforce

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Deppyforce 2016-12-07T14:31:57+00:00

hi sotarks wtf i did everything with my own reason i just happened to find some reference maps by chance

Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2016-12-07T14:57:26+00:00

The diff name is actually not unrankable. Deppyforce doesn't want to change it. It is his opinion. Stop forcing us name the diff as you want. It's not your set!

wajinshu

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wajinshu 2016-12-07T15:17:05+00:00

Calm down Sotarks

Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2016-12-07T15:29:17+00:00

since good BG source wasn't provided, let me use this. It's related to anime, so should be fine. There is still wrong character because I didn't find anything major with Izumi Akazawa

Namki

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Namki 2016-12-07T15:37:21+00:00

Slayed's thoughts on this.

marcuddles

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marcuddles 2016-12-07T15:41:06+00:00

I think that continuing to argue about that is useless, guys.
Insanextra is really fine in my opinion, Deppy merged two diffnames which ended and started (insane and extra) with an E. I think it isn't a problem if we approve a such thing only for Insane and Extra.
Don't agree with "Force of Deppy" tho. Doesn't make sense to be honest, mainly because it should be used in the whole mapset to have a bit of sense.
"Miniature Extra" is perfectly fine, we have mapsets like Inferno which used special difficulty names like "Agonizing Insane", yep maybe it would have more sense if used in the whole mapset, but Miniature Extra can be a perfect replacement for"Light Extra".

Guys, chill (Especially Sotarks, you're being rude), it's a difficulty name, nothing you should be salty for uwu

Hoping that I didn't make too many errors, this is the end of my post. Good luck for requalification, Shmik & GDers.

Stjpa

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Stjpa 2016-12-07T15:42:39+00:00

It's ridiculous that you are arguing about diffnames...why not just changing it because it doesn't really matter anyway? You basically tilt people with that attitude.

About the background; It is indeed boring that you are using the same background as the already ranked set, and I just looked up for a bg from Izumi Akazawa and couldn't really find anything that fits either, but why don't you use use a completely different art from this character then? It's not a big deal and gives some variety atleast. Oops. Nvm.

And yeah, the last diff is actually a bit overkill if you ask me, but that's the super cool 6* TV Size meta, nothing anyone can do about it I suppose.

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Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2016-12-07T15:46:55+00:00

Stjpa wrote:
About the background; It is indeed boring that you are using the same background as the already ranked set, and I just looked up for a bg from Izumi Akazawa and couldn't really find anything that fits either, but why don't you use use a completely different art from this character then? It's not a big deal and gives some variety atleast.

hey, it was changed

Cryptic

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Cryptic 2016-12-07T17:25:22+00:00

Hi, I'm not related to Sotarks.

There are two naming issues, 'Force of Deppy' (which is nothing more than a subpar meme) is the first. In practically all your other GDs I've ever seen you use 'Deppy's' which is much more appropriate and more recognizable. In reference to 'Kamal's Extra' on Kaifin's map and a few others (Citation Needed), one needs to remember that those maps were not disqualified with immense discussion regarding diffnames, this one was.

The other name that needs to be changed is also FCL's 'Miniature' Extra. 'Light Extra' or just 'Another' would be more appropriate. The reason Miniature Extra is not justified (in my opinion) is that there are 5 diffs with the name 'Extra' making a Miniature Extra a bit excessive. Also consider 'Expert' or consider renaming FCL's Extra to FCL's Extreme (since its the top non-Slayed's Answer-diff) and the Miniature Extra to just Extra.

But yeah, thats my input here.
(To clarify, I haven't looked at the difficulties themselves other than a brief glance at the diffs with the questionable diffnames - so my lack of mentioning the supposedly overmapped Slayed diff is not condoning it.)

GIDZ

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GIDZ 2016-12-07T17:33:21+00:00

Cryptic wrote:
Hi, I'm not related to Sotarks.

There are two naming issues, 'Force of Deppy' (which is nothing more than a subpar meme) is the first. In practically all your other GDs I've ever seen you use 'Deppy's' which is much more appropriate and more recognizable. In reference to 'Kamal's Extra' on Kaifin's map and a few others (Citation Needed), one needs to remember that those maps were not disqualified with immense discussion regarding diffnames, this one was.

The other name that needs to be changed is also FCL's 'Miniature' Extra. 'Light Extra' or just 'Another' would be more appropriate. The reason Miniature Extra is not justified (in my opinion) is that there are 5 diffs with the name 'Extra' making a Miniature Extra a bit excessive. Also consider 'Expert' or consider renaming FCL's Extra to FCL's Extreme (since its the top non-Slayed's Answer-diff) and the Miniature Extra to just Extra.

But yeah, thats my input here.
(To clarify, I haven't looked at the difficulties themselves other than a brief glance at the diffs with the questionable diffnames - so my lack of mentioning the supposedly overmapped Slayed diff is not condoning it.)

I agree with Cryptic here cuz there's no reason to have ranked GDs of different names just for the fun of it, it's more sensible to keep it consistent like "Deppy's Insane". Also, FCL's diff plays more like an Insane than an Extra where it's also less than 5.5* thus it should be FCL's Insane or Another or some sort. This also helps recognizing diff spread easily, or the diff names kinda mess up diff spread indirectly imo.

SnowNiNo_

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SnowNiNo_ 2016-12-07T18:20:25+00:00

arguing about diff name is pretty dumb xdd
tho players usually see the star rate instead of look at the diff names after they dl the map, so diff name isnt rly matter imo
diff names like extra, insane etc are just like the icon, letting the player know how is the general orientation of the diff/map is

but hey just like Stjpa said, why not just changing it because it doesn't really matter anyway lol
although isnt unrankable but is pretty stupib to have a diff name like this xd

TheMefisto

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TheMefisto 2016-12-07T18:36:25+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
[TheMephisto's Extra]

Got to say, I enjoyed playing and modding this difficulty, it is fun. \w/

00:40:292 (5,6) - I am unsure about this stack because it kind of ruins with your patterning here. Plus, mentioning that these are two completely different sounds in the music and, as such, should be represented in a different way. Yep, unstacked
01:06:430 (1,2) - Decreasing the spacing in such a way after all those jumps is very risky as it is a huge slow-down for the players. I do like how you did not space them that much like in the rest of the difficulties, but this is kind of a pain to play. Increased spacing just a bit, I still don't wanna make jump here .-.
01:20:242 (1) - Reducing the volume of the slidertail is highly recommended, it would add a more professional effect to the end of the map! Done

Thanks!

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Endaris

5,282 posts

Joined June 2010

Endaris 2016-12-07T20:08:51+00:00

By the judgement of Ephemeral on the last case of kinda stupid diffnames:
If the difficulty names don't indicate clearly who mapped them you are actually required to do a proper creditting in your beatmap description or via a storyboard. It is still borderline here but just do it anyway.

Deppyforce

1,969 posts

Joined November 2014

Deppyforce 2016-12-08T04:51:20+00:00

seriously
when someone qualified something unusual and someone else sees it ''bad in their opinion'', you try so fucking hard to make it gets disqualified and must be changed to your own preference, even tho the thing you thing its bad is perfectly rankable and doesnt break any rules and is the mapper's original idea or intention.(there is no way to map ''correctly'' in this game anyways) in this case i know my diff is fine so i want to keep it but u guys want to make me change so bad just bcuz u havent seen this kind of name ranked before so you think its not fine, and im not a known or famous mapper, so everything i do thats not mainstream is always wrong, bcuz u bng ppl's opinion worth more than mine, so i cant disagree with u or this mapset will not be ranked cuz of my diffname and every gder here would blame me for stuff
when pishifat did his 'insanother' ofc its fine cuz he is already a bn at that time so everything he do is right, but im not a bn so im always wrong cuz i have no power at all
and vinxis too, hes famous so kamal's extra is also fine

im fucking tired of this community ill just change it to avoid more of this stupid pointless endless drama

vanucik

484 posts

Joined December 2014

vanucik 2016-12-08T07:28:18+00:00

вы за*бали нести х*йню, просто возьмите и ранкните это дерьмо

Kyuukai

1,511 posts

Joined December 2014

Kyuukai 2016-12-08T08:20:39+00:00

To be honest, I don't get why you are all making a drama about a diff name, Deppy's diff name makes sense. "Insanextra" is a transition between Insane and Extra, he decided to call his diff like this, why would you try to change it ? Changing it because it's "stupid" is actually not a valuable reason. As Deppy said, when pishi called one of his diffs "Insanother" there was no problems with it, why would you say no if Deppy names his diff "Insanextra" ? Actually, the stupid thing is not his diffname, but your reactions to his diffname. Just because his name is not pishi, he can't do the same ?

pkhg

2,507 posts

Joined May 2010

pkhg 2016-12-08T08:27:20+00:00

pishi insanother was a year ago

Kyouren

5,584 posts

Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2016-12-08T09:30:00+00:00

Shmiklak

Elite Storyboarder

3,220 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Shmiklak 2016-12-08T09:39:09+00:00

Bad art

Haruto

1,815 posts

Joined December 2013

Haruto 2016-12-08T10:20:24+00:00

Deppyforce wrote:
seriously
when someone qualified something unusual and someone else sees it ''bad in their opinion'', you try so fucking hard to make it gets disqualified and must be changed to your own preference, even tho the thing you thing its bad is perfectly rankable and doesnt break any rules and is the mapper's original idea or intention.(there is no way to map ''correctly'' in this game anyways) in this case i know my diff is fine so i want to keep it but u guys want to make me change so bad just bcuz u havent seen this kind of name ranked before so you think its not fine, and im not a known or famous mapper, so everything i do thats not mainstream is always wrong, bcuz u bng ppl's opinion worth more than mine, so i cant disagree with u or this mapset will not be ranked cuz of my diffname and every gder here would blame me for stuff
when pishifat did his 'insanother' ofc its fine cuz he is already a bn at that time so everything he do is right, but im not a bn so im always wrong cuz i have no power at all
and vinxis too, hes famous so kamal's extra is also fine

im fucking tired of this community ill just change it to avoid more of this stupid pointless endless drama

We are not making any drama. This is how Community used to be, we arguing about opinions. But at least im not forcing you to change it, i just said. Its up to you, but if you changes it then it'll be more than good. Please examine my words more if you think that im forcing you.

Geez, why people are taking this kind of discussion into a whole new level lmao. Okay im out, im also tired to people that thinks the community are making a drama instead of discussion. And, last post of me in this beatmap's thread. I hope that this will be re-qualified sooner

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Shmiklak

Elite Storyboarder

3,220 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Shmiklak 2016-12-08T13:02:46+00:00

Updated hitsounding, combo colors and deppy's diff name :V

Kyouren

5,584 posts

Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2016-12-08T13:08:13+00:00

Deppy's Another is better but why Another? (It's anime lol) xD

Shmiklak

Elite Storyboarder

3,220 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Shmiklak 2016-12-08T13:42:35+00:00

And what? It's not problem at all

FCL

1,478 posts

Joined July 2014

FCL 2016-12-08T13:46:11+00:00

some people said something about the diffname of miniature extra, so let me tell why this diffname is totally fine.

As you guys could notice, there're a lot extra difficulties in the set. And my extra has a some addition in the form of "miniature" what means that there's difficulties with the small cs. So then a man, seeing this diffname will know that this diff has small cs. Pretty simple, right? The diff has word like "Extra" in the diffname as well, so there're no a problems here.

However I am totally fine if this difficulty will have diff name like "miniature another" , "miniature light extra" etc. This doesn't make many sense tho. Same goes for my normal extra, I like the idea with FLC's Extreme
now time for the reply

Yuii- wrote:
[FCL's Extra]

00:32:866 (1) - I am unsure about this NC being there, to be honest. It is introduced in a very weird way, where I (when testplaying it) got a miss as I thought it was a 1/2 circle. There is really no way of doing an inconsistent spacing stream for that, and the NC makes it hard to read as players don't expect the turn + the continous stream. i did some changes before, so now there's no stream anymore
00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread. would like decline this, but actually this is true. changed
00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty. from here is starting the most intense part of the song. The background of the song reaches the peak, same goes with vocal, therefore option like mapping by only circles looks like great idea. And no, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is definitely not overdoned, you just don't like this way
00:51:727 (2) - 00:56:480 (2) - Cannot really comprehend the reason behind these 1/4 sliders. These feel very off and add an unnecessary density to the map that is not audible in the song. It does not really feel appropriate to have them here because they do not make the patterns any harder, if anything, the might look like that, when they are not, really. Actually there might be mapped like 1/4 slider all things like 00:51:430 (2) - , these really sounds like 1/4, so it's totally fine
00:57:965 (3,4,5) - This pattern looks quite weird, to be honest. The whole emphasis is put onto (5) when the song is emphasizing (4) instead. Something such as https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/VbWrdQz.jpg that might help a little more. Also, the current pattern kind of makes a zig-zag-y movement, but the music does not really support that. did some changes
00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky. nah, this doesn't break the movement, I did similar stacks for same vocal sounds, and it worked
01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - . i did this cuz I haven't heard the vocal there
01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated. just don't think so

slayed's reply:

[Slayed's Answer]

00:19:202 (1,2,3) - The angle and spacing used in this pattern is very different from everything else in this section. I do not think this was done intentionally as it is very recognizable. I would suggest you to place 00:19:648 (2) - in between 00:19:796 (3,4) - to make it more consistent as well as not to snappy compared to everything else. Even 00:28:707 (1,2,3,4) - is different from it as the distance from (2,3) is more big (although it should not be like that, since you are always emphasizing the sound on 00:29:153 - so it makes it weird anyway). w-w-what.. um.. thats the most senseless thing ive ever heard lol. if i will put it between 00:19:796 (3,4) -, that will mean that im going to emphasise 00:19:648 (2) - this beat like a lot, while there are litterally no strong sound.. the flow here is totally fine and fits the overall style of the map very well, so it shouldnt be a prolem if i keep it
00:42:965 - Section here is when things start getting a bit crazy. I get it is a build-up section, and, as such, you started to increase the spacing, that is perfectly fine, I actually support that. The thing is, it builds-up at a very weird spot and incredibly fast, when it should not be like that. For that reason, the 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - doubles at this section lose complete emphasis due to the spacing used previously. In my opinion, the rest of the Extra difficulties did a better job on this section by incrementing the spacing as the music gets more intense, but I will speak of them later on. tbh, i dont think that anything is wrong with it actually. music gets more intense, and so the map do. 00:45:341 - strong sounds here are emphasised buy the ncs and i think that its okay, since it plays nicely.. so id like to keep it again as it is
00:49:796 (4) - Ctrl+G'ing this slider (and re-arranging it later on, else the distance would be huge) would be much better as it would prevent a linear pattern which is not being done anywhere in the map. tbh dont really like how this looks if id ctrl+G it, so id prefer to keep it..
00:50:688 (3,4) - Stack kills the whole momentum of the section and it is also being inconsistent with 00:48:608 (4,5) - (although the spacing should/could be decreased because (5) is not really that accentuated in the background music) which is a problem. Consider unstack. idk how to put so the flow wont visually suck, maybe you have any ideas? :s
01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This pattern is way too much. its not, since the climax part of the song
01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - Jumps here feel very overdone after you play 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - since the intensity is the complete opposite and the spacing of said pattern is the same. Starting the jump section at 01:12:668 (1) - would feel more natural. if you listen to the song, u will see that the intense part of the melody starts here 01:11:480 - so its actually more logical to start some jumpy things from there... 01:11:480 (1,2) - these are sliders because i wanted to diversify the gameplay and make it more interesting. if we are talking about emphasis, 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - these are emphasised more than 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - these because ncs and hitsounds. so.. i think that this moment is okay too, hope you understand my points..

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Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2016-12-08T14:05:38+00:00

updated flc's diffs

Deppyforce

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Deppyforce 2016-12-08T14:16:27+00:00

tbh i expect miniature to be cs 6.5+ but ok

Shmiklak

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Shmiklak 2016-12-08T14:17:23+00:00

i think current cs is great
did little upd for last diff
updated themefisto's diff

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Double post

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Lama Poluna

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Lama Poluna 2016-12-09T13:30:21+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
[LP's Extra]

00:04:054 (1,2,3) - Spacing is quite exaggerated compared to everything else in the intro. I appreciate you tried to give this pattern some emphasis, but it might be too much. As on me everything is good. I don't see anything bad.
00:08:955 (4,5,6) - This is not very recommendable as misreading is most likely to happen. You are not doing this pattern anywhere else in the map, so adding an additional reading challenge is not what you want to try. You could try to reduce the distance of 00:08:955 (4) - to make it more predictable. ^
00:48:163 (2,3) - Ctrl+G'ing the rhythm is highly recommended as it would follow the music better. There is nothing audible from 00:48:311 - to 00:48:460 - so placing a holdable object in to where there is nothing, is not a great idea. Also, considering the spacing from (1,2) and the fact that you are using a Finish hitsound on (2), the current spacing looks like an anti-jump. ++++++
00:45:341 (1,1,1) - and 00:56:034 (1,1,1,1,1) - and everything else - Muting the sliderends would be much more professional when you are doing these 1/4 patterns. ++++++
01:01:975 (1,2,3,4) - Similarly to what I have just mentioned, the spacing here looks inappropriate to what the music is providing. And, yes, the same occurs with the other two following patterns. ++++++
01:06:876 (2,1) - This is an anti-jump, by the way, and a very big one. It ruins the momentum you are trying to create with this pattern as a whole due to your 1/4 slider. I would strongly suggest you to replace that slider for a full triplet instead.
01:07:767 (2,3,4,5) - Mostly personal here, but it is very tricky to read this. It is most likely that people will read this as a full 1/2 pattern instead of this. Also, the full stack is not really the best option as they are three very distinguishable sounds, so mapping them as individual objects instead of that might sound more reasonable. ++++++
01:13:707 - There is a very noticeable sound in the music here, mapping this would be appreciated. ++++++
01:18:608 (1,1) - Why would you place a cross-screen jump at the end of the map, that does not sound appropriate and it is actually a very unwanted pattern. ++++++
01:19:648 (1) - Any reason for the whistle on the slidertail? Seems off. ++++++

map : https://puu.sh/sJxdl.osu

thanks yui~

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updated.

Bara-

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Bara- 2016-12-10T15:40:02+00:00

Was the discussion about the diffname that big of a deal...?
Insanextra at least shows difficulty, but no. It's not a word and therefore shouldn't be used

Please note that I have an old (Taiko) map, which uses diffnames as Futsukashii, Muzoni. I talked to multiple QATs/BNs and they ALL said it was perfectly fine. Then why on earth, is it not allowed in a gamemode which much more leniency in diff-naming

Time to rebub

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Yuii-

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Yuii- 2016-12-10T19:48:23+00:00

Hello again!

Sorry to be that guy, but I never gave the "okay" to this mapset and my concerns did not get replied properly. Yes, I did see the PM you sent me yesterday, a couple of minutes ago, so I couldn't reply. I was busy, that was my bad for not checking my phone every 5 minutes.

Anywa, quoting the BNG rules:

If something you bubbled or nominated gets disqualified, you must not rebubble or requalify it, unless the community that wanted the disqualification and the mapper make an agreement.

Lama Poluma's answer are not well detailed- saying "is it good to me" is not a proper answer and does not help the modder understanding why you decided to do that.

Also,

wajinshu wrote:
[Waji's Another]

00:30:638 (4,5,1) - This type of linear flow with a very noticeable spacing with the same type of snapping does not quite work. I would try a different angle or something to make it better to play. for example...? - What do you think about something like http://i.imgur.com/g9pdIp7.jpg so it forces the player not to do a linear movement?

FCL wrote:
Yuii- wrote:
[FCL's Extra]

00:35:836 (1,2) - Spacing here is counter-intuitive and completely differs from 00:33:460 (1,2) - as well as 00:34:648 (2,3,4,1) - . It might have been a mistake while you were moving things around, but it should be changed since it is very easy to misread. would like decline this, but actually this is true. changed - This hasn't been addressed.
00:42:965 - I will be honest with you here. Spacing-wise, I truly believe you made a very good job compared to the other Extra difficulty. Rhythm-wise no, unfortunately. Ignoring what is in the song to map a full spam of 1/2 circles was not the best idea, to be honest. I would strongly recommend you to replace some of these circles to sliders as they would go along with the music much better. Also, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - the spacing here is incredibly high and unnecessary for the difficulty. from here is starting the most intense part of the song. The background of the song reaches the peak, same goes with vocal, therefore option like mapping by only circles looks like great idea. And no, 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - is definitely not overdoned, you just don't like this way - Of course I don't like it, it's overdone... cross-screen jumps aren't supposed to be used that way, but I won't go into too much detail about that pattern because it happens on every single ranked map. I still don't agree with you ignoring the vocals because of "the song reaches the peak". That is no reason for you to ignore every single other aspect of a song, that's not what a song is about.
00:59:004 (4,5) - Stack here breaks with the momentum you were building earlier, having to stand on clicking objects and them moving again at high-speed is not really a good pattern and very risky. nah, this doesn't break the movement, I did similar stacks for same vocal sounds, and it worked - Doesn't break the movement, it breaks with the momentum.
01:04:054 (3,4) - There is some very noticeable inconsistency here that should be changed 01:02:866 (3,4) - 01:05:242 (3,4) - . i did this cuz I haven't heard the vocal there - This is actually true, didn't notice it back then. I would still like you to change it because it ruins the momentum of the section, but it's up to you, feel free to leave it.
01:18:608 (1,2) - Not sure if you want to keep this, it is way too exaggerated. just don't think so - I do think so.
slayed's reply:

[Slayed's Answer]

00:42:965 - Section here is when things start getting a bit crazy. I get it is a build-up section, and, as such, you started to increase the spacing, that is perfectly fine, I actually support that. The thing is, it builds-up at a very weird spot and incredibly fast, when it should not be like that. For that reason, the 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - doubles at this section lose complete emphasis due to the spacing used previously. In my opinion, the rest of the Extra difficulties did a better job on this section by incrementing the spacing as the music gets more intense, but I will speak of them later on. tbh, i dont think that anything is wrong with it actually. music gets more intense, and so the map do. 00:45:341 - strong sounds here are emphasised buy the ncs and i think that its okay, since it plays nicely.. so id like to keep it again as it is - Quoting you: "w-w-what.. um.. thats the most senseless thing ive ever heard lol." it's actually worth quoting because I think the same about this . NCs aren't supposed to work that way, they are not supposed to emphasize sounds, that's not how you do it. Mapping getting more intense is exactly what I was mentioning and you ignored it completely. This section feels the same throughout every single pattern because they are mapped the same way... over, and over, and over again; even 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - has no sort of emphasis compared to your other (1,2,1,2,1,2) patterns because you are mapping the previous patterns with the exact same spacing. That is not how you create a build-up, but rather how you increase the SR of a map while ignoring the song.
00:50:688 (3,4) - Stack kills the whole momentum of the section and it is also being inconsistent with 00:48:608 (4,5) - (although the spacing should/could be decreased because (5) is not really that accentuated in the background music) which is a problem. Consider unstack. idk how to put so the flow wont visually suck, maybe you have any ideas? :s - Struggling with your current placement, but http://i.imgur.com/6AkxfHW.jpg could work, not sure if you like it, though.
01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - This pattern is way too much. its not, since the climax part of the song - It is.
01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - Jumps here feel very overdone after you play 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - since the intensity is the complete opposite and the spacing of said pattern is the same. Starting the jump section at 01:12:668 (1) - would feel more natural. if you listen to the song, u will see that the intense part of the melody starts here 01:11:480 - so its actually more logical to start some jumpy things from there... 01:11:480 (1,2) - these are sliders because i wanted to diversify the gameplay and make it more interesting. if we are talking about emphasis, 01:12:668 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - these are emphasised more than 01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - these because ncs and hitsounds. so.. i think that this moment is okay too, hope you understand my points.. - I rotated 01:12:371 (5,6) - by 90° http://i.imgur.com/VrQeq3P.jpg so you can see that I listened to the song. Please, do change this, jumps should start on 01:12:668 (1) - and not in the current placement, that pattern is overdone as is ignoring the music as a whole.

Once you have applied/replied so all those points in a proper way, feel free to call Bara- and/or Rizia for a rebubble.

Good luck!

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Ascendance 2016-12-10T21:05:58+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
[Slayed's Answer]

00:42:965 - ok i 00:45:341 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - increased the spacing here a lot so now it should be better
00:50:688 (3,4) - yeah k i redid the whole pattern + 00:49:351 (2,3,4,5) - this
01:05:539 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - its not i copied this from yuitarks map
01:12:074 (3,4,5,6) - fukk!! u declassified my ultra ebin pp pattern so i had to change it sorry bara oh w8 its still 8 stars with dtez :__))
yui doesnt like dicks (and that suks) i also improved a e s te t hsi c s so thhis map is gay 2015/2015 owo/?b

http://nnikitin.s-ul.eu/2MyFKZpr

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wajinshu 2016-12-10T21:09:37+00:00

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