thanksSatellite wrote:
Hello ~
[General][Demigod]
- Wave hitsounds with possible delay 5ms about soft-hitfinish62.wavI'll ask first, tbh isn't meant to bring feedback >:
- Please confirm whether you use all wav file once again fixed
[Deity]
- 00:01:453 (2) - add Nc. because please check Deity diff (and if you changed nc pattern please fix Human diff) done
- 01:45:106 (1,2) - why only not stack pattern ? i think stack pattern more better. stack will be bored, this is more original and fun to read
- 03:38:026 (3) - same Deity diff. (and if you changed nc pattern please fix Human diff) cool
- 04:36:875 (5) - 1ms unsnapped k
Human diff looks fine to me. but There is something that I am worried about "StackLeniency" 0.2 is fine?
- 00:07:434 (1) - I understand that you are conscious of this slider blanket 00:05:233 (2) - but please wait. i think It is the object which I cannot confirm anymore. so 00:07:434 (1) - this slider try changed ”ctrl + h” more better flow! I really like my current one is the slow part with sliders so both ways are fine
- 00:26:600 (1) - really good slider. but there was a place to be worried about 00:27:188 - ~ 00:27:384 - this place why you used straight follow? i think changed more curve pattern better. the slider straight part don't have any meaning, only design and to be stacked with 00:26:434 (4) - that' sall
- 00:34:110 (2) - i like this pattern. it's sugguestion. thank you
- 00:50:472 (4) - why not start nc pattern ? sure thing
- 00:53:613 (6) - I think that you should move this 00:53:613 (6) - to the center of 00:52:985 (5) - done
- 00:56:441 (3,4,1) - I think some these flows are dirty. so changed " 00:56:127 (1,2) - ctrl+g and 00:56:441 (3,4) - ctrl+g " ? oh man, I really like my current flow and pattern, gonna keep it
- 02:23:195 (4) - There is no sound of the piano only in this place. so i think remove note more better rhythm. yes
- 02:51:389 (1) - 04:36:875 (1) - more +1 repeat ? yes
- 03:01:755 (8,1) - 04:47:241 (8) - swap nc ? my current one follows the music better
- 03:07:567 (1) - 04:53:053 (1) - not need Nc imo I like them and they fit those parts imo
- 03:14:320 (5) - add nc ? I also think my current pattern is better
- 03:20:305 (1) - i think changed ctrl+g more better flow. I think is basically the same
- 03:38:026 (3) - It knows that there is a sound in this place, but thinks that you should do remove note because it is a too weak sound. yes, cool done
- 03:54:466 - lol start monstrata part LOL I did monstrata before monstrata was a thing
- 04:36:875 (1) - slider end 1ms unsnapped. k
- 04:40:958 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - really fun
thank you
- 04:59:807 (1,1) - why yellow color + yellow color lol lol
- 05:00:121 (1) - lol hello Amnesia www [/color]
Good Luck!
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Topic Starter
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19:04 Xexxar: what is an acceptable amount of time i need to wait for to call a bn
19:04 Natsu: the time u take to bubble and icon mine maybe
19:04 Natsu: LOL
19:04 Xexxar: oh i forgot ya
19:04 Xexxar: lo
19:04 Xexxar: link again
19:05 *Natsu is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1124153 xi - Halcyon -Long Version-]
19:05 Natsu: don't worry much alacat and sonnyc are my other 2 bns
19:05 Xexxar: oh rly
19:05 Xexxar: ill just check for unrankable then
19:05 Natsu: so will be fine i guess ye
19:06 Xexxar: should be long enough since my last Heart.
19:06 Xexxar: *flame
19:06 Xexxar: also hypothetically
19:06 Xexxar: would you check my MGQ map as well
19:06 Xexxar: its literally only 400 objects between all diffs
19:06 Xexxar: 90 bpm ds map
19:06 Natsu: https://puu.sh/snZqd.jpg this guy firs try
19:06 Xexxar: ya pretty ok i guess
19:07 Xexxar: 01:13:850 (2) -
19:07 Xexxar: how come these blankets so close
19:09 Xexxar: are you okay for irc?
19:09 *Xexxar is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1121435 xi - Halcyon -Long Version- [Deity]]
19:09 Xexxar: refering to blanket comment
19:12 Xexxar: 26600,627.615062761506,4,2,84,50,1,0
19:12 Xexxar: lol
19:12 Xexxar: 00:26:600 -
19:12 Xexxar: these two timing points should have the same value
19:12 Xexxar: for diety and demigod
19:12 Xexxar: its currently two different volumes for the same tick (one red one green)
19:12 Xexxar: please fix that
19:13 *Xexxar is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1124153 xi - Halcyon -Long Version- [Demigod]]
19:13 Xexxar: 02:42:122 (3) -
19:13 Xexxar: blanket could be a little better but
19:13 Xexxar: w/e
19:15 Xexxar: call me when that stuff is fixed
19:21 Natsu: k
19:25 Xexxar: i got my gif
19:25 Xexxar: all ready and primed
19:25 Xexxar: http://www.allyouranime.net/wp-content/ ... ame-7b.gif
19:32 Natsu: done
19:34 Xexxar: kk
19:35 Xexxar: did you change the spacing of those blankets
19:35 Xexxar: cause they were unnaturally close imo
19:35 Natsu: Yes
19:35 Xexxar: cool was i helpful enough to warrant kudosu and flames?
19:36 Natsu: yes
19:38 Xexxar: alright posting log
19:04 Natsu: the time u take to bubble and icon mine maybe
19:04 Natsu: LOL
19:04 Xexxar: oh i forgot ya
19:04 Xexxar: lo
19:04 Xexxar: link again
19:05 *Natsu is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1124153 xi - Halcyon -Long Version-]
19:05 Natsu: don't worry much alacat and sonnyc are my other 2 bns
19:05 Xexxar: oh rly
19:05 Xexxar: ill just check for unrankable then
19:05 Natsu: so will be fine i guess ye
19:06 Xexxar: should be long enough since my last Heart.
19:06 Xexxar: *flame
19:06 Xexxar: also hypothetically
19:06 Xexxar: would you check my MGQ map as well
19:06 Xexxar: its literally only 400 objects between all diffs
19:06 Xexxar: 90 bpm ds map
19:06 Natsu: https://puu.sh/snZqd.jpg this guy firs try
19:06 Xexxar: ya pretty ok i guess
19:07 Xexxar: 01:13:850 (2) -
19:07 Xexxar: how come these blankets so close
19:09 Xexxar: are you okay for irc?
19:09 *Xexxar is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1121435 xi - Halcyon -Long Version- [Deity]]
19:09 Xexxar: refering to blanket comment
19:12 Xexxar: 26600,627.615062761506,4,2,84,50,1,0
19:12 Xexxar: lol
19:12 Xexxar: 00:26:600 -
19:12 Xexxar: these two timing points should have the same value
19:12 Xexxar: for diety and demigod
19:12 Xexxar: its currently two different volumes for the same tick (one red one green)
19:12 Xexxar: please fix that
19:13 *Xexxar is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1124153 xi - Halcyon -Long Version- [Demigod]]
19:13 Xexxar: 02:42:122 (3) -
19:13 Xexxar: blanket could be a little better but
19:13 Xexxar: w/e
19:15 Xexxar: call me when that stuff is fixed
19:21 Natsu: k
19:25 Xexxar: i got my gif
19:25 Xexxar: all ready and primed
19:25 Xexxar: http://www.allyouranime.net/wp-content/ ... ame-7b.gif
19:32 Natsu: done
19:34 Xexxar: kk
19:35 Xexxar: did you change the spacing of those blankets
19:35 Xexxar: cause they were unnaturally close imo
19:35 Natsu: Yes
19:35 Xexxar: cool was i helpful enough to warrant kudosu and flames?
19:36 Natsu: yes
19:38 Xexxar: alright posting log
im legally retarded
uh... i don't think you wanted to do that lol
(since it's not clear, xexxar qualified instead of bubbled at first)
(since it's not clear, xexxar qualified instead of bubbled at first)
Topic Starter
.pishifat wrote:
uh... i don't think you wanted to do that lol
xDDDDDDDDDDD
now you all know why
Well the song also appear in https://diverse.direct/diverse-system/100sr-a013/ and there is no "long version" (and yes it's the same version as yours)Natsu wrote:
lol Enon your avatar so cute haha thanks for star~
BTW metadata: https://remywiki.com/Halcyon
If you ask me how xi wanted to name it matter more xD
Topic Starter
Are you sure is the long version of the song? I'll as to IamKwan or Alacat later to confirm itKrah wrote:
Well the song also appear in https://diverse.direct/diverse-system/100sr-a013/ and there is no "long version"Natsu wrote:
lol Enon your avatar so cute haha thanks for star~
BTW metadata: https://remywiki.com/Halcyon
If you ask me how xi wanted to name it matter more xD
Answered in pm blame ninja edits but if needed for kwan/alacat idk who. Yap i'm sure http://puu.sh/so1EB/e8fb5c1ccd.jpg (check track9 length)Natsu wrote:
Are you sure is the long version of the song? I'll as to IamKwan or Alacat later to confirm itKrah wrote:
Well the song also appear in https://diverse.direct/diverse-system/100sr-a013/ and there is no "long version"
If you ask me how xi wanted to name it matter more xD
i actually have no idea where you got the mp3 but the songs are p much the same from both albums fwiw, just the lengths are different. 5:12 from Groundbreaking, 5:09 from Parousia.
Well from looking at the release times between Parousia and Groundbreaking -BOF2010 COMPILATION ALBUM-, Parousia came after. So most likely xi changed the name in general due personal choice plus the fact, Halcyon started 2 minute short song in SDVX. Hence why it was named "Long vers.: in -BOF2010 COMPILATION ALBUM-, and soon after finally Halcyon in the Parousia album o3o.
Could include Diverse System into tags since that is his record label.
Also, BG has been used before :<
Also, BG has been used before :<
Yes. I checked both, the titile is fine to me.Sulker wrote:
Well from looking at the release times between Parousia and Groundbreaking -BOF2010 COMPILATION ALBUM-, Parousia came after. So most likely xi changed the name in general due personal choice plus the fact, Halcyon started 2 minute short song in SDVX. Hence why it was named "Long vers.: in -BOF2010 COMPILATION ALBUM-, and soon after finally Halcyon in the Parousia album o3o.
BOF2010 : http://www.gdbg.tv/2010/download/index.html Disc 2, track 34
Agree :< (https://osu.ppy.sh/s/359191)Kroytz wrote:
Could include Diverse System into tags since that is his record label.
Also, BG has been used before :<
But it's really not important since I see Kroytz used same BG too in Happy End of the World map xD
Topic Starter
Changed BG, added tags, I don't know where I get the mp3, also we edited it a bit, so I think I'll keep as alacat suggested
ok mom
cute Natsu
General :
00:11:898 - The green section is not necessary.
03:47:087 - unsnapped green section ?.?
Deity :
01:37:881 (3,1,2) - try to move right this part for design like this ?
02:38:824 (2,3) - I feel the flow is unnatural on jumps from here 02:38:352 (6,1) - prefer to use ctrl + g flow
04:05:775 (1) - no hitsound to here ? :O
04:55:880 (4,1) - The slider is not good flow for stream part, How about this ?
Demigod :
02:22:096 (6) - ,02:22:567 (10) - Please add new combo for players to here, i feel it's hard to read stream if these are same colors.
03:02:070 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I have a sense of discomfort with this stream, try to follow the background sound like this ?
04:47:556 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ Same
03:33:419 (1,2,3) - same reason about combo color, it's better to add it from here 03:33:733 (2) - for reading.
General :
00:11:898 - The green section is not necessary.
03:47:087 - unsnapped green section ?.?
Deity :
01:37:881 (3,1,2) - try to move right this part for design like this ?
02:38:824 (2,3) - I feel the flow is unnatural on jumps from here 02:38:352 (6,1) - prefer to use ctrl + g flow
04:05:775 (1) - no hitsound to here ? :O
04:55:880 (4,1) - The slider is not good flow for stream part, How about this ?
Demigod :
02:22:096 (6) - ,02:22:567 (10) - Please add new combo for players to here, i feel it's hard to read stream if these are same colors.
03:02:070 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I have a sense of discomfort with this stream, try to follow the background sound like this ?
04:47:556 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ Same
03:33:419 (1,2,3) - same reason about combo color, it's better to add it from here 03:33:733 (2) - for reading.
Topic Starter
I'm going to fix the hitsound lateralacat wrote:
cute Natsu
General :
00:11:898 - The green section is not necessary. fixed
03:47:087 - unsnapped green section ?.? fixed
Deity :
01:37:881 (3,1,2) - try to move right this part for design like this ? done
02:38:824 (2,3) - I feel the flow is unnatural on jumps from here 02:38:352 (6,1) - prefer to use ctrl + g flow fixed
04:05:775 (1) - no hitsound to here ? :O I'm going to check this later
04:55:880 (4,1) - The slider is not good flow for stream part, How about this ? cool
Demigod :
02:22:096 (6) - ,02:22:567 (10) - Please add new combo for players to here, i feel it's hard to read stream if these are same colors. done
03:02:070 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I have a sense of discomfort with this stream, try to follow the background sound like this ? if you notice there are two rhythms at this part, that's why I'm starting my streams in red, since the sounds are similars to 02:41:651 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - but with 1/4 beats, so I think my current way is more close to the song
04:47:556 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^ Same
03:33:419 (1,2,3) - same reason about combo color, it's better to add it from here 03:33:733 (2) - for reading. Fixed
@alacat : fixed all thanks for tell me!
@Irvin : update with this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/is69ba1u6ssmuyg/xi%20-%20Halcyon%20-Long%20Version-.osz?dl=0
@Irvin : update with this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/is69ba1u6ssmuyg/xi%20-%20Halcyon%20-Long%20Version-.osz?dl=0
Topic Starter
!!
Did you use soft-hitwhistle23 ? maybe it's unused 
Topic Starter
removed D:
lol
#2 
Topic Starter
thanks ><
Nothing much to point out.
Log (Spanish)
15:29 Natsu: maje rankeame mi mapa QQ
15:29 Gero: cual maje?
15:29 Natsu: tiene 2 bubbles y una es de un QAT
15:29 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/448919
15:30 Gero: le damos ahora, estoy libre
15:30 Natsu: si demole
15:31 *Gero is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1121435 xi - Halcyon -Long Version- [Deity]]
15:31 Gero: 00:02:404 (7) - NC debido a que hay un cambio de spacing y de estrofa tambien
15:31 Natsu: hecho
15:31 Gero: 00:06:805 (5) - Suena mejor con un clap, encaja con la instrumental
15:32 Natsu: done
15:33 Gero: 00:32:573 (1,2) - siento que este blanket se puede mejorar un poco, hazlo un poco mas circular
15:33 Gero: 00:35:688 (4) - NC
15:33 Natsu: lo mejore tambien
15:34 Gero: 00:35:688 (4) - whistle suena mucho mejor
15:34 Natsu: ups se me habia olvidado
15:34 Gero: 03:59:178 (1) - 03:59:178 (4) - un NC aqui maje? para que sea mas legible
15:35 Gero: eso seria todo, puedes actualizar
15:36 Natsu: subiendo
15:37 Natsu: hecho mae
15:37 Natsu: espera
15:38 Gero: okay avisame
15:39 Natsu: ya mae
Topic Starter
thanks xexxar, alacat and gero!
thanks xexxar, alacat and gero!!! c:♥
Good~
hoyl.. congrats!
A lot of your keysound samples have horrible amounts of clipping :c
examples would be
01:28:771 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
02:37:096 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
and most other keysounded things
seems like you went a bit too far when increasing volume of them
since you forced default soft hitnormals anyways*, using higher volume settings overall for the map, but lower volume for the hitnormals + not boosting volume of the keysounds so much would've possible been a better solution
* (which I personally don't really like for stream heavy maps as they just don't give much feedback. but that's your choice after all and not the point of this post)
examples would be
01:28:771 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
02:37:096 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
and most other keysounded things
seems like you went a bit too far when increasing volume of them
since you forced default soft hitnormals anyways*, using higher volume settings overall for the map, but lower volume for the hitnormals + not boosting volume of the keysounds so much would've possible been a better solution
* (which I personally don't really like for stream heavy maps as they just don't give much feedback. but that's your choice after all and not the point of this post)
Topic Starter
I think the volume is really fine, since if the keysounds blend too much then will bring not feedback, the hitnormal is not that strong, I really prefer to keep the current way, since is the one we feel bring more feedback :l we got much opinions about the volume lvlLasse wrote:
A lot of your keysound samples have horrible amounts of clipping :c
examples would be
01:28:771 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
02:37:096 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
and most other keysounded things
seems like you went a bit too far when increasing volume of them
since you forced default soft hitnormals anyways*, using higher volume settings overall for the map, but lower volume for the hitnormals + not boosting volume of the keysounds so much would've possible been a better solution
* (which I personally don't really like for stream heavy maps as they just don't give much feedback. but that's your choice after all and not the point of this post)
Topic Starter
oh that can't be helped tho, I don't have the original files anymore and will be a pain to find, plus isn't that noticeable in game, unless you're really picky o.oLasse wrote:
that was not my point
yes the volume of the samples is fine, but the way you achieved the volume is not as they ended up with horrible clipping
if you can't notice it yourself ingame, try listening to the keysound samples on their own
Hi Natsu!
I know you hate me and will be sorely tempted to just deny this offhand because you probably think I'm just being a dick, but I feel like there is some genuine improvement that can and should be made to this map. It has piles of potential and I love Halcyon a lot, so I want it to be the best map it can be before actually getting ranked. You only get one shot, after all.
Your bordercolor seems pointless and useless. Care to explain why it's even there?
I'm skipping the incredibly badly clipped hitsounds that I'll let someone else go over. I'm no hitsound expert so I'll let someone else take care of that, so let's just go directly over the mapping itself because it appears nobody has actually tried to mod this map to improve it within your own mapping concepts, they just went over it for obvious mistakes and that's it. That's lazy as balls and I don't like it, so here I am.
also, keysounding means you can't actually use snares or kicks or claps or finishes or whistles or other hitsound emphasis which imo is far more vital to player enjoyment than pianos ringing in their ears. Please don't use the "I can't be assed to fix it" excuse when it's something that you hate me for.
Deity
Let me say that I like this map, and I really want a good halcyon in ranked. But that's just it; I want a good halcyon that fits and follows its own rules. This map is inconsistent and has many small errors that detract from it. Meme me all you want but you know that this map wasn't meticulously gone over as much as it should have been.
If this map gets any more attention, I'll be happy to come back and go over the other two difficulties. I spent a decent chunk of time on Deity and if it's just going to get brushed aside I don't want to have wasted my time on the other difficulties.
I know you hate me and will be sorely tempted to just deny this offhand because you probably think I'm just being a dick, but I feel like there is some genuine improvement that can and should be made to this map. It has piles of potential and I love Halcyon a lot, so I want it to be the best map it can be before actually getting ranked. You only get one shot, after all.
Your bordercolor seems pointless and useless. Care to explain why it's even there?
I'm skipping the incredibly badly clipped hitsounds that I'll let someone else go over. I'm no hitsound expert so I'll let someone else take care of that, so let's just go directly over the mapping itself because it appears nobody has actually tried to mod this map to improve it within your own mapping concepts, they just went over it for obvious mistakes and that's it. That's lazy as balls and I don't like it, so here I am.
also, keysounding means you can't actually use snares or kicks or claps or finishes or whistles or other hitsound emphasis which imo is far more vital to player enjoyment than pianos ringing in their ears. Please don't use the "I can't be assed to fix it" excuse when it's something that you hate me for.
- 00:37:940 (2) - Was nobody willing to tell you this one looks bad? Clean it up with a couple more grey nodes, that first curve is warped. Given the smooth curving of the rest of the section, you might want that last linear node to be smoothed out as well.
- 00:40:107 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - The emphasis here is incorrect. The strong wavering begins on 3. The proper setup would be 12,12,12,1. Sets of three are not in line with the pitch and tones used.
- 00:42:647 (1,2) - These... are not only borderline burai, but they're incredibly out of place both in the fact that the first curve is squished as hell and the straight line feels really out of place with the wavering of the violin. Please, please make these curvy sliders to fit with the violin. Shit works so good.
- 00:47:017 - I understand if you want to skip these beats, but I feel like they're important enough to mention. Since you mapped it 00:48:587 (3) - here, you should be consistent with it. Follow the background thumps or don't, don't just do the loudest one.
- 00:54:713 (2) - Don't pussy out by making the piano hit at the end here the slider ending. You've mapped every hit here, don't pussy out and skip this one just because it's slightly off the normal snapping. Players won't fuck up on it. Believe me.
- 01:05:304 (2,2) - I really feel like these sliders detract from the power of the long violin holds of 01:04:515 (1) - and 01:06:167 (1) - . This is one of those "It's up to you" choices, but you focused really hard on the violin and piano for this section, it's a bit weird to have sliderstarts on the weak background drum.
- 01:09:923 (1,2) - I'm only going to mention this once, but it applies to every single chorus and every single repeat of this measure: Why the hell are you skipping the beat on 01:10:080 - ??????? It's 75% of what makes Halcyon such a powerful piece of music. It kicks off the offbeat pattern right at the start of the measure and smacks the listener in the face with it. Skipping it makes the entire measure just this weak version of itself. This repeats every 8 beats so I'm sure you did it on purpose and I'm sure you'll call it "your style" but believe me when I say you're missing out on the strongest possible emphasis you can put in this map by skipping these.
- 01:14:792 (1,2,3,4,5) - I disagree with your use of a stream here but the drums are faintly there on 1,3,4 and 5 so i suppose you can justify it.
- 01:16:049 (1,2,3,4,5) - This has the same issue as ^that but I feel like your piano keysounding is directly conflicting with the mapping style you're trying to push on this track. The piano sounds are so loud and overwhelming, but you're trying to utilize much weaker and softer drum lines to provide a more complicated rhythm. This is very counter-productive, given that Halcyon as a whole is a piece of music that relies on its violins, piano, and synth, not its drums, to evoke emotions.
- 01:28:771 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - I am going to call this the "cool stream" because I like it alot due to how it properly emphasizes the 123412341234 musical patterns in the music. When, in the future of this mod, I reference "The cool stream", I'm not saying to use streamjumps, but to properly emphasize the varying pitch and tone in that section like this stream does here.
That said, I don't know why you only ever use jumpstreams here. Seems like too much of a vast difference in difficulty between "Normal streams" and "chorus-ending streams". Jumpstreams are really damn hard, you know. Even just spacing them different but overlapping would make them way more fair. - 01:36:310 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This stream fails to live up to the Cool Stream because the music very clearly does four repeats of 1234, but this stream has one circle for the first 12345678, while the second has 5678 properly curving but no new combo to go along with it. Basically, it's inconsistent with itself. Either you emphasize each individual set of four beats, or you emphasize none of them. You can't just do the last one in the set of four.
- 01:37:881 (3,2) - These aren't in a straight line like 01:37:881 (3,1) - are, but.... this is tiny shit.
- 01:39:452 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This is fine because it changes on 5, but you need to actually be consistent with whether you new combo them or not. New combos are more than just for measure resets.
- 01:44:478 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This looks familiar :thinking:
- 01:46:363 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Again, part of what makes halcyon powerful is its usage of piano pitch. This is another example of a set of four fours listed as two eights. That's not necessarily bad, but it's inconsistent.
- 01:50:447 (2) - Inconsistent with 01:40:394 (1) - , 01:30:342 (1) - , etc needs new combo or remove new combo from the others. Either way, be consistent. I prefer the 1,1, new combo setup, myself.
- 01:51:389 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - here is where we get into the REALLY fancy shit that truly makes Halcyon, Halcyon. These notes are a set of four 3's and a 4! e,g, it's 123,123,123,123,1234. This is one of Xi's favorite "fuck you" rolls. Now, these are hard as fuck to emphasize so I don't blame you for stepping out and giving up. But new combos and slight spacing changes could work, if you want to make your map special?
- 01:59:242 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - See you actually have spacing changes on the sets of 4 changes here. Good.
- 02:00:499 (2) - Inconsistent with 01:40:394 (1) - , needs new combo or remove new combo from the others. Either way, be consistent. I prefer the 1,1, new combo setup, myself. etc etc. Last time I'll mention these. Like Irre says, you should only need to mention it once and you'll magically fix every other one right? xD
- 02:12:750 (1,2,3,4) - Any reason you change from counterclockwise to clockwise at 2->3? Then you just go into weird back-and-forth-ish patterns. If you did this on-beat or something it'd be okay, but as-is just seems weird. Heck, I remember you getting on my ass about this on felys.
- 02:14:635 (1,2,3) - This feels like you're intentionally skipping the beat on 02:14:871 - . Surely you could use a 1/2 slider and a circle on 02:14:871 - to properly capture every slap there, maybe? I don't think it'd make the section too busy, it's just another alternate button hit amongst a singletap section, which'd fit for a specially different measure.
- 02:18:091 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - This is just another one of those "It's three sets of four but you only new comboed the first set and only had a direction change on the first set" things. I'm pointing out every one of these because Halcyon can get fairly complex and some of these are legitimately 123412345678 or something similar to that, and given this map as evidence, you can't really tell so I'm helping you out.
- 02:19:661 (1,2,3) - This is just so weird and out of place given your obsession with keeping things onbeat and neat. This bluetick slider has no polarization into it and reads really badly, especially when you can satisfiably replace 02:19:897 (2,3) - with circle-1/4slider-1/4slider
- 02:21:860 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Wait, maybe you areable to tell when the music uses different patterns? But this is one of many! you did it right here, do it right everywhere else! T_T
- 02:30:813 (2,3) - lemme just say i can see what you did here and while i personally feel that the strength of 02:30:970 - in the musical pattern warrants a click, i can understand you forgoing that in favor of the 3-3 pattern. But mostly just in this case.
- Xi starts copy+pasting like crazy and so do you, so there'll be more space between commentary from now on.
- 03:02:070 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Here's where your emphasis via new combos goes completely bonkers. Xi's just doing his standard 123412341234 shit dude, don't put new combos on red ticks here (see next line). Either do 1234,1234, or 12345678. Don't do this 10 and 6 and other stuff.
- 03:04:269 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - It's funny to say this righta fter saying "don't put new combos on red ticks" because here xi actually starts his sets of four on 03:04:426 - , which means the red ticks are the proper new combo spots. Why is this? Because 03:04:347 - doesn't actually have a beat. Also because Xi is nuts.
- 03:07:881 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I don't think i've ever seen a more blatant "fill empty space with a stream" example in my life. One of the few times in the map where the drums are actually prominent and you can map them to fill the piano space? Nope, better chuck a weirdo 13-note stream there.
- 03:09:766 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^except 1/4 sliders
- 03:12:750 (1,2,3) - Just my opinion but a 3/4 slider with a bit of a hop to the note would do way better expressing the woosh noise than... three 1/2 circles.
- 03:14:320 (5) - pretty violin, ugly slider.
- hey yo ima take a break from the criticism and just let you know that i really really really do like how you did the patterning for the slow bit from here on out. top shelf man just wish the sliders were a bit less angular and harsh for such a pretty, gentle section.
- 03:27:799 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Just like before, this is 12,12,12,1. But your patterning already does this with back and forths, so a new combo change is all u really need
- 03:47:843 - pretty sure the harp is around here. Weirdo shit tho.
- 03:51:953 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This curve is really harsh and weird despite how clean the rest of them are.
- 03:54:466 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Now here's the problem, see. I've always called these "the rain sections" in my head because the original video has a rainstorm over these 1/2 sections. The first one doesnt have this 1,2,12,12,1,21,2,12,12, stuff. The first one has a nice set of patterns that, while at one time weirdly changing rotation, fit the music pattern-wise. This is just a bunch of 1,2 jumps with no real pattern. It has a rotation, but that's just boring. It's beneath you, and it's insulting to the music, to use such a plain and uninventive way to map this 1/2 section.
- 04:05:775 (1,2,3,4) - This is the problem with overmapping streams to fill dead space. You lead into a 123123 section with a 1234 and it just feels so weird, especially when you hit 04:06:795 (1,2) - because the strongest final set of three's final strong beat is a slider ending. It could not be more plain that the hitsounding was done independently of the mapping than right here, because no sane mapper would have the strongest hitsound on the only beat in the entire measure where there isn't a click.
- That said, this stream section is done much better than the early ones. Evidence that a mapper can get better at mapping a song simply over the time it takes him to map it?
- 04:40:958 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - neat
- 04:49:754 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - See 03:04:269 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - . Keysounding or not, it comes off as weird
- 04:53:367 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - another silly filler
- 05:00:121 (1) - 50% sure this is unrankable as it is not clear which direction it goes in. And it's impossible to tell because it bends on the same point, and doesn't flow into the circle evenly to hint that thats how it goes. I for one thought that because it was symmetrical it'd "bounce" off the middle. Also, for nazi, the circle is off.
Let me say that I like this map, and I really want a good halcyon in ranked. But that's just it; I want a good halcyon that fits and follows its own rules. This map is inconsistent and has many small errors that detract from it. Meme me all you want but you know that this map wasn't meticulously gone over as much as it should have been.
If this map gets any more attention, I'll be happy to come back and go over the other two difficulties. I spent a decent chunk of time on Deity and if it's just going to get brushed aside I don't want to have wasted my time on the other difficulties.
Are these keysounds considered inaudible hitsounds? :thinking: :thinking: //summon Irreversible
Also, a small incomplete list of incorrect keysounds:
00:09:950 (1) - low F
00:10:270 (2) - middle C
00:11:233 (1) - slider-end is middle C
00:12:911 (1) - low G
00:13:225 (2) - middle C
00:13:540 (3) - idk what this is but it isn't what you used lol
00:16:056 (4) - better just to make as chord. I don't think this note is correct either on its own, though.
00:17:961 (2) - low A#
00:29:748 (3) - repeat is on low F, end is on low A#
00:35:688 (1) - A#
00:39:155 (3) - this is chord D,F,B. Simplified as B.
00:39:472 (1) - higher B,D,F chord. Simplified as B too, but would sound miles better if both were chorded.
00:45:755 (1) - A#
01:37:881 (3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Half of this isn't correct
02:09:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ouch this isn't remotely close.... starting from high to low it's: A, G, G#, D#, D, C, A#, A, G, F#, D#, C, A#, A, G, F#, D#, D, C, A#, A, G, F#, D# (total 24 beats on 1/12 [I think it's 1/12?]).
02:26:886 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Super duper wrong because you hit 02:27:358 (3) - as one key lower than it should be (needs to be F) throwing off the rest of the arpeggio >>;
Sorry, but I'm gonna stop here because the more I listen to the keysounds, the more wrong I find in them. Not just the intro part but also the chorus, and so many other places... It's not good Natsu :/
I should also mention these samples are badly clipped as two other people have pointed out. And for those who disable custom hitsounds, there are a TON of wonky hitsounding because of how you chose to go about hitsounding. Especially on the quiet parts with keysounded claps over whistles which is a bit confusing when the pianos are identically emphasized.
Edit: gonna tag along with Shiirn's point here and say that keysounding this particular song wasn't a good idea at the core because there are 3 unique types of instruments being played at the same time. There are much better ways to hitsound it using Drum samples mixed with Softs whistles/claps or Normals mixed with Drums, etc. There aren't many exciting things to be done when this song is keysounded, it just plays flat and repetitive.
Also, a small incomplete list of incorrect keysounds:
00:09:950 (1) - low F
00:10:270 (2) - middle C
00:11:233 (1) - slider-end is middle C
00:12:911 (1) - low G
00:13:225 (2) - middle C
00:13:540 (3) - idk what this is but it isn't what you used lol
00:16:056 (4) - better just to make as chord. I don't think this note is correct either on its own, though.
00:17:961 (2) - low A#
00:29:748 (3) - repeat is on low F, end is on low A#
00:35:688 (1) - A#
00:39:155 (3) - this is chord D,F,B. Simplified as B.
00:39:472 (1) - higher B,D,F chord. Simplified as B too, but would sound miles better if both were chorded.
00:45:755 (1) - A#
01:37:881 (3,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Half of this isn't correct
02:09:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ouch this isn't remotely close.... starting from high to low it's: A, G, G#, D#, D, C, A#, A, G, F#, D#, C, A#, A, G, F#, D#, D, C, A#, A, G, F#, D# (total 24 beats on 1/12 [I think it's 1/12?]).
02:26:886 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Super duper wrong because you hit 02:27:358 (3) - as one key lower than it should be (needs to be F) throwing off the rest of the arpeggio >>;
Sorry, but I'm gonna stop here because the more I listen to the keysounds, the more wrong I find in them. Not just the intro part but also the chorus, and so many other places... It's not good Natsu :/
I should also mention these samples are badly clipped as two other people have pointed out. And for those who disable custom hitsounds, there are a TON of wonky hitsounding because of how you chose to go about hitsounding. Especially on the quiet parts with keysounded claps over whistles which is a bit confusing when the pianos are identically emphasized.
Edit: gonna tag along with Shiirn's point here and say that keysounding this particular song wasn't a good idea at the core because there are 3 unique types of instruments being played at the same time. There are much better ways to hitsound it using Drum samples mixed with Softs whistles/claps or Normals mixed with Drums, etc. There aren't many exciting things to be done when this song is keysounded, it just plays flat and repetitive.
Idk about you, but I actually really enjoy the keysounding. The keysounds aren't always following the song, but rather, are providing a harmony to complement the song.
Stuff like 00:09:635 (4,1) - doesn't follow the song, but it still sounds nice because the note harmonizes with the track.
00:29:748 (3,1,2,3,4) - ^ Same. It sounds really nice, and provides a contrast between the hitsounds and the actual song, something that typical keysounding usually falls flat in.
I'm pretty sure the stuff Kroytz point out is intentional, but I'd still go over it to be sure.
Stuff like 00:09:635 (4,1) - doesn't follow the song, but it still sounds nice because the note harmonizes with the track.
00:29:748 (3,1,2,3,4) - ^ Same. It sounds really nice, and provides a contrast between the hitsounds and the actual song, something that typical keysounding usually falls flat in.
I'm pretty sure the stuff Kroytz point out is intentional, but I'd still go over it to be sure.
Natsu requested a dq to fix some of the stuff from these mods
Then it's not keysounding, it's regular hitsounding.Monstrata wrote:
The keysounds aren't always following the song
But there's a piano already doing that in the music adding another piano to make it a duet just overwhelms the already delicate balance of piano, synth, violin, and bass that xi is doing.Monstrata wrote:
but rather, are providing a harmony to complement the song.