quaternary wrote:

Hi! I hope you can rank this soon, it's a really nice map.

Some thoughts on it: (disclaimer, I'm not a mapper or modder, and definitely can't stream 270bpm)

07:03:458 (1) - This stream is fukin sexy lol, I really like these symmetrical streams.

03:47:013 (1,2,1) - At first I was really confused by these patterns, but then I realized you probably meant to use 1/2 sliders instead of 1/4?

Right now the brass section/trumpet thing/whatever plays on the yellow 1, the green 1 and the green 5, and I don't see what the yellow 2 goes to at all. - It was originally 1/2 sliders but a few people including BN's didnt like that and If you check cryptics mod he suggested I go with this.

04:13:680 (1,2,3) - I feel like these sorts of patterns work better with more than 1.00 distance spacing. The wide distance spacing on the purple 1,2,3,4 pattern builds up momentum, and then the big jump towards the pink 1 builds it even more, but then the pink 2 is really close and you lose all of that mometum. It's almost like an antijump? - Yeah the movement of snapping back makes up for the smaller distance.

04:48:347 (1,2,3,4) - This is a really big jump to spring on the player, especially when the objects immediately afterwards are much slower compared to this (and I don't think it reflects the intensity of the music very well) - Fair enough, scaled down a bit, I still want it to be pretty big to give a bit of a punch here.

04:51:347 (4,1) - Probably shouldn't be an antijump. - They all play fine, I can do them myself and Ive never seen testplayers complain about it. You tend to not notice the smaller distance while snapping back at this sort of speed.

05:16:791 (5) - Maybe it's just my personal settings, but the clap on this slider sticks out compared to the other ones? Idk why - Gave it a check and it looks fine.

06:10:569 (3,4) - I don't like how the jump between 3-4 is way slower than the jumps between 1-2 and 2-3. - Gave it a bit more spacing.

06:13:236 (1) - This looks a bit better if you poke it down a couple pixels?

07:07:902 (1,2,3,4) - I don't really like the way some of these point left and some point right

07:29:680 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is almost symmetrical around the Y axis, and it would totally look kickass if it was symmetrical right? - I kinda like how it isnt honestly.

Some lopsided patterns / things-that-might-look-better-if-they-were-perfect-circles:
06:55:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)

06:06:680 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3)

07:02:680 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5)

07:21:513 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Save for the second one they are all perfect circles, it just looks off because of transitions in and out. And the second one is noticeable and symmetrical anyways so it doesnt matter. I made them all with slider converts so I can vouch for them being perfect circles.

And that's all of the problems I really have with the map, and I mean, a lot of them are just small problems I hope you can rank it soon, good luck

Worminators wrote:

okay have my small mod

00:22:064 (1,2,3,4) - Would follow the song better if it was 1/4 sliders imo - Disagree.
00:24:730 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - You could have used a higher spacing for theses notes, for more emphasis. - No need since its 1/6th in a 1/4 section. Its consistent with the rest of the long streams as well.
00:28:342 - There's a note here that hasn't been mapped - Intentional, I let all the BN's who bubbled this to begin with know about that and they all agree with leaving it out. You cant notice it at full speed while playing either.
00:29:064 (11) - Flow would be better if (11) was at the (6) place imo - Yeah it does.
00:33:397 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I don't like how this part is different from 00:44:064 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - and 01:40:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - - Explained this a few times way back in the thread. The first and third are the exact same, the second one is different because its in a different section thats more intense and the drums are a lot different than in the first and third instances.
02:49:613 (1,2,3,4,1) - This pattern seems too much spaced for the intensity of this part of the song. Fair enough, scaled it down a bit.
05:23:014 (1) - This stream is already hard enough, can't you move this note a bit down so it follows the curve better? - Gotta have that click for the finish.

mithew wrote:

idunno if you'd take this suggestion but i feel like it fits the guitar a lot better with this rhythm (also not sure if you've changed this already)

01:36:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - these two patterns currently don't represent the guitar well , which is the most noticeable and strongest part of the song



i've used this rhythm pattern on similar sections with that guitar riff being most dominate, and it just fits so much better using that rhythm, especially when (1) is stacked on the (2) sliderhead

the reason it fits so much better is because the first 3 notes are all open notes on the guitar, which is really simple to play (literally just strumming three times without your finger touching the frets). it sounds extremely simple too, so no movement in the cursor with the (1) stacked on the slider head of (2) is honestly the best way to represent a simple guitar pattern like that. simple and easy to play without any unnecessary movements. making the next 3 notes jumps fits with the change in guitar too so thats what i'd do for the next 3 notes.

something like this is what i've come up with, and i'm not really a mapper so that pattern probably sucks but i've tried using other rhythms and none of them really get the job done compared to this one. i really think this objectively fits the riff the best and i hope you can find a way to use it well...

GhostZ wrote:

Where are the mods FeelsBadMan

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

Idealism wrote:

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

gayzmcgee for bn?

F1r3tar wrote:

I guess that means you can go for loved.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

F1r3tar wrote:

I guess that means you can go for loved.

Id rather not share a spot next to some of the trash that ends up in there.

AyanokoRin wrote:

You don't really need to be val0108 to guess that some of the stuff in loved has horrible quality.

Frc wrote:

AyanokoRin wrote:

You don't really need to be val0108 to guess that some of the stuff in loved has horrible quality.

Who is he to say that? Isn't the mappers chant to say everytime bad quality is pointed out on their maps that "quality is subjective"? Or that only is used when convenient?

And talking about the "trash" you pretty much mean arles maps or everything that has jumps is trash for you? Now this guy thinks he is the hot shit because he maps streams when other map jumps.

Most of this mappers (BD, rustbell, caren_sk, Mazzerin) are way more reputated mappers than this EphemeralFetish guy whose map is receiving SO MUCH attention just because of it's Star Rating. Still he feels entitled to call the other's work "trash"

Dawnsday wrote:

Fetish has a point. He wanted this ranked; not loved

If his reason not wanting loved is because he then becomes associated with trash then so what? Let's hope a qualified BN picks up this set.

Dawnsday wrote:

That's the thing HE THINKS IT'S TRASH (As do I but that's beside the point.) It's his opinion and the opinion of others; not objective. Stop treating it as such.

Write wrote:

Too bad all the Bn's are all fucking scrubs

Bonsai wrote:

Write wrote:

Too bad all the Bn's are all fucking scrubs

be the change you want to see in the world
if more top-players cared enough to get involved in mapping/modding, there'd be more and better hard maps, it's as simple as that

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

New rules have actually motivated me to maybe try for BN again. So yeah you speak some truth fam.

Bonsai wrote:

Write wrote:

Too bad all the Bn's are all fucking scrubs

be the change you want to see in the world
if more top-players cared enough to get involved in mapping/modding, there'd be more and better hard maps, it's as simple as that

1. 00:18:564 (6) - NC to signify spacing change.
2. A lot of my points in Bloodthirsty haven't been applied, definitely look over them again. (Like 00:25:730 (1) - there, 00:26:286 (2) - there, and then a lot of other places.)

Cryptic wrote:

1. 00:18:564 (6) - NC to signify spacing change.
2. A lot of my points in Bloodthirsty haven't been applied, definitely look over them again. (Like 00:25:730 (1) - there, 00:26:286 (2) - there, and then a lot of other places.)

Not going to nominate or anything, just doing a super light recheck until I realized a lot of what I brought up is still there...

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Fixed NC, changed something else suggested by another BN.

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Dream is over boys.

nextplay wrote:

Loved when?

Smolboi wrote:

nextplay wrote:

Loved when?

Only the original creator of the map can submit it for loved, which cant happen because the original creator was banned

fieryrage wrote:

9.26 lol i actually hope you're not serious about that

ignorance wrote:

Should be loved not ranked

Vacuous wrote:

05:25:515 (2) - unsnapped
05:25:626 (4) - unsnapped
don't bother with kudosu lol

Weber wrote:

hurry up

Ali- wrote:

rank when w

PizzarollMC wrote:

rank when w

Manfred wrote:

Now this is a map I can't wait to see at the top of osu's highest star rated ranked maps. I love Mazzerin maps, but a Touhou Project themed Undead Corporation map is the creme of the crop. I can't give constructive feedback on mapping, or constructive feedback on how it is as a player, but this map just brings a smile to my face even when I watch it with auto. I hope it gets ranked very soon. 👌👌

1. 00:17:064 (3,4) - the jump here should have the same spacing as 00:16:731 (1,2) - since there's no sudden change or strong beat like a crash in the music to support this jump
   
2. 00:23:564 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - you can increase the spacing to make the circles not overlap each other like you did for 00:13:064 (3,4,5,6,1) -
   
3. 00:27:397 (1) - getting nitpicky here; the circle doesn't look like it's centered with the star pattern 00:26:286 (2,3,4,5,6) -
   
4. 00:35:397 (5) - 00:36:731 (5) - so i thought like the spacing of 00:34:953 (2,3) - and 00:36:287 (2,3) - dont make sense, but it appears that it was due to the clap hitsound on the sliderheads. idk i'd remove the claps to follow the instruments in the music
   
5. 00:40:397 (3,4) - the jump is very high, although i don't think the music suggests it. the section 00:40:064 - and 00:42:730 - seem to have a consistent spacing and does follow the music, but that felt out-of-place
   
6. 00:58:064 (1,2,3) - i like how you place the sliders 00:52:730 (1,2,3) - as such, so i was thinking that you could repeat it for 00:58:064 - since they're the same section in the music
   
7. 01:11:286 (4,5) - 01:53:953 (4,5) - switch them place to have the crash hit on a clickable object
   
8. 01:20:397 (7,8) - 01:21:064 (7,8) - the spacing may be misinterpreted (tho maybe not much seem the map is very fast), but mainly the 1/4 jumps don't make sense, since they don't stand out for a really strong beat (like a crash) but rather a weaK beat. i suggest you make it easier to play by removing the circle and add one repeat to the sliders
   
9. 02:06:730 (1,2,3) - similar reason as above, the jump just feels out-of-place
   
10. 01:37:730 (3,4,5) - 01:38:064 (1,2,3) - 01:39:397 (1,2,3) - 01:52:730 (1,2,3) - 01:52:730 (1,2,3) - for the case of stacking the hitcircles on the sliderend, i wouldn't recommend to do so because the player is constantly in movement. especially in this case, there's a slider at the beginning which is required to move, making a halt for the hitcircles is quite an awkward move. suggestion would be like https://puu.sh/xR4bx/7dfdd29125.png, to spread out the hitcircle maybe at a 0.6x spacing.
    that's from my perspective however. it's possible high-level players think otherwise.
    
11. 02:13:230 (4) - no drumbeat is played on this tick; also the flow from 02:13:064 (3) - to 02:13:230 (4,5,6,1) - is not smooth since the first hitcircle is placed below the slider (3), although the latter ends upward. so i suggest you move 02:13:230 (4,5,6,1) - to where the slider (3) would go
    
12. 02:55:390 (1,2,3,4) - the flow is kind of uncomfortable to play due to the sharp angles; i prefer your other placements like 02:56:724 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since it has a fluid and circular flow. try doing something similar like 00:34:730 (1,2,3,4,5) - also like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9250582
    
    
    
13. 03:47:124 (2) - 03:50:680 (2) - 03:54:236 (2) - they sound out-of-place because the strings are played a beat later, for example the first mentioned slider would be on 03:47:236 - ; this is based on your sliders 03:45:236 (1,2,3,4) - that are meant to follow the strings. hence for this part i thought the sliders could consistently follow the strings. i suggest this rhythm: https://puu.sh/xGY2q/812eb684a7.png or somewhat similar
    also 05:28:347 (1,2) - 05:31:902 (1,2) - 07:09:680 (1,2) - 07:13:236 (1,2) -
    
14. 04:07:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 04:35:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - replace this section with repeat sliders like 03:59:902 (1,2) - to stay consistent in rhythm, also 04:07:902 (9,10) - just look very random without the first slider group on 04:07:013 -
    
15. 04:22:347 (4,1,2) - this is kind of an awkward angle resulting a weird flow. maybe rotate 04:22:569 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - by -15 degrees to round the flow?
    
16. 06:01:013 (1,2,3,4) - 06:02:791 (1,2,3,4) - 06:04:569 (1,2,3,4) - idk they seem pointless imo since nothing in these section can be emphasized like that, they are also sound the same as the other repeat sliders. in addition, maybe this type of pattern could fit better towards the end of the streams, but i don't see much of usage in the middle of the streams
    
17. 06:27:902 - 06:43:902 - not sure what to feel for 06:27:902 -, but 06:43:902 - seems to go overboard with the jumps. since the guitar goes up and down, there could be a spacing decreasing effect to follow the guitar:
    
    1. 06:44:013 (2,1) - 06:44:458 (2,1) - 06:44:902 (2,1) - could be smaller than 4.0x since the guitar plays a lower tone than 06:43:902 (1,2) -
    2. 06:45:013 (1,2) - guitar is going down so spacing should be reducing just like 06:44:124 (1,2) - 06:44:569 (1,2) -

sheela wrote:

PizzarollMC wrote:

I will be so happy if this gets ranked, honestly
call up monstrata so he can bubble this lmao!!!

Monstrata isnt a fan of the map.

Placeholder for when I get around to the mod reply

sheela wrote:

o boy (very sorry for the very very late mod)

1. 00:17:064 (3,4) - the jump here should have the same spacing as 00:16:731 (1,2) - since there's no sudden change or strong beat like a crash in the music to support this jump - Never liked these anyways. changed.
   
2. 00:23:564 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - you can increase the spacing to make the circles not overlap each other like you did for 00:13:064 (3,4,5,6,1) - - Applied. Bit of a tight fit but it should be okay.
   
3. 00:27:397 (1) - getting nitpicky here; the circle doesn't look like it's centered with the star pattern 00:26:286 (2,3,4,5,6) - - Doesnt matter too much, I moved it down a tad anyways so it should fit a bit better.
   
4. 00:35:397 (5) - 00:36:731 (5) - so i thought like the spacing of 00:34:953 (2,3) - and 00:36:287 (2,3) - dont make sense, but it appears that it was due to the clap hitsound on the sliderheads. idk i'd remove the claps to follow the instruments in the music - The claps are for the drum snares here, and the spacing difference in each is for the pitch change in guitar. They used to be all even spacing but I didnt think that was following everything as well as it could.
   
5. 00:40:397 (3,4) - the jump is very high, although i don't think the music suggests it. the section 00:40:064 - and 00:42:730 - seem to have a consistent spacing and does follow the music, but that felt out-of-place - Reworked that combo to be a bit smaller.
   
6. 00:58:064 (1,2,3) - i like how you place the sliders 00:52:730 (1,2,3) - as such, so i was thinking that you could repeat it for 00:58:064 - since they're the same section in the music - The drums are less intense for the second one, so less intense pattern required IMO.
   
7. 01:11:286 (4,5) - 01:53:953 (4,5) - switch them place to have the crash hit on a clickable object - Applied
   
8. 01:20:397 (7,8) - 01:21:064 (7,8) - the spacing may be misinterpreted (tho maybe not much seem the map is very fast), but mainly the 1/4 jumps don't make sense, since they don't stand out for a really strong beat (like a crash) but rather a weaK beat. i suggest you make it easier to play by removing the circle and add one repeat to the sliders - Im not sure about this. I believe Azer was the one who suggested this. The 8 notes definitely need to have emphasis and need to be clickable for that sharp guitar note. So I doont agree with covering them with repeats. And not sure how else you could do this part.
   
9. 02:06:730 (1,2,3) - similar reason as above, the jump just feels out-of-place - Made it a bit smaller. This guitar playing is a disgusting mess so not much else I can do
   
10. 01:37:730 (3,4,5) - 01:38:064 (1,2,3) - 01:39:397 (1,2,3) - 01:52:730 (1,2,3) - 01:52:730 (1,2,3) - for the case of stacking the hitcircles on the sliderend, i wouldn't recommend to do so because the player is constantly in movement. especially in this case, there's a slider at the beginning which is required to move, making a halt for the hitcircles is quite an awkward move. suggestion would be like https://puu.sh/xR4bx/7dfdd29125.png, to spread out the hitcircle maybe at a 0.6x spacing.
    that's from my perspective however. it's possible high-level players think otherwise. - Changed all the triples in that section to what you suggested.
    
11. 02:13:230 (4) - no drumbeat is played on this tick; also the flow from 02:13:064 (3) - to 02:13:230 (4,5,6,1) - is not smooth since the first hitcircle is placed below the slider (3), although the latter ends upward. so i suggest you move 02:13:230 (4,5,6,1) - to where the slider (3) would go - Im pretty sure there is a bass kick on that object. I still want a sharp transition here for some emphasis. But I did move the whole thing up above the 3's slider end to make it slightly less uncomfortable.
    
12. 02:55:390 (1,2,3,4) - the flow is kind of uncomfortable to play due to the sharp angles; i prefer your other placements like 02:56:724 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since it has a fluid and circular flow. try doing something similar like 00:34:730 (1,2,3,4,5) - also like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9250582 - Ohh I actually like this idea. Applied.
    
    
    
13. 03:47:124 (2) - 03:50:680 (2) - 03:54:236 (2) - they sound out-of-place because the strings are played a beat later, for example the first mentioned slider would be on 03:47:236 - ; this is based on your sliders 03:45:236 (1,2,3,4) - that are meant to follow the strings. hence for this part i thought the sliders could consistently follow the strings. i suggest this rhythm: https://puu.sh/xGY2q/812eb684a7.png or somewhat similar
    also 05:28:347 (1,2) - 05:31:902 (1,2) - 07:09:680 (1,2) - 07:13:236 (1,2) - - IIRC Cryptic suggested this. I wont apply this right now since Id prefer to have your opinion on it. But it may be better to substitute the 2 1/4 sliders for a repeat slider to keep it simple, that way you click back in on the strong string sound.
    
14. 04:07:013 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 04:35:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - replace this section with repeat sliders like 03:59:902 (1,2) - to stay consistent in rhythm, also 04:07:902 (9,10) - just look very random without the first slider group on 04:07:013 - - The reason I didnt do it the second time is because it doesnt match vocals like it does the first time. I get that you may say the second repeats dont fit because of that but they are still consistent with the previous and do follow the pitch of BG instruments/strings very well still. If you're still unhappy I can change them
    
15. 04:22:347 (4,1,2) - this is kind of an awkward angle resulting a weird flow. maybe rotate 04:22:569 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - by -15 degrees to round the flow? - Applied. Its not as weird to play as it looks but your suggestion does help it play better.
    
16. 06:01:013 (1,2,3,4) - 06:02:791 (1,2,3,4) - 06:04:569 (1,2,3,4) - idk they seem pointless imo since nothing in these section can be emphasized like that, they are also sound the same as the other repeat sliders. in addition, maybe this type of pattern could fit better towards the end of the streams, but i don't see much of usage in the middle of the streams - Ahh, this is a difficulty curve in the song. In the previous section I covered the snare rolls with the repeats to keep it simple. For this second part I mapped them instead to give the difficulty curve. I can assure you there are strong drum hits there that need mapping.
    
17. 06:27:902 - 06:43:902 - not sure what to feel for 06:27:902 -, but 06:43:902 - seems to go overboard with the jumps. since the guitar goes up and down, there could be a spacing decreasing effect to follow the guitar:
    
    1. 06:44:013 (2,1) - 06:44:458 (2,1) - 06:44:902 (2,1) - could be smaller than 4.0x since the guitar plays a lower tone than 06:43:902 (1,2) -
    2. 06:45:013 (1,2) - guitar is going down so spacing should be reducing just like 06:44:124 (1,2) - 06:44:569 (1,2) - - Since the notes are paired in to groups of 2, I focused the spacing likewise. I think the pitch is emphasized better having each 2 be lower/higher accordingly rather than the 1's. That being said each 1 is placed accordingly to that as well. Just not as much. Once again happy to change if you still dont agree.

whew. if possible pm me when im online, otherwise just pm me in forums

ignorance wrote:

shouldn't be qualified/ranked.

why ?

unpassable without difficulty reduction mods... maybe only passable by at maximum 3 ppl but that's a long stretch... a map catered for 3 players of the osu population shouldnt be ranked.

love it

ignorance wrote:

shouldn't be qualified/ranked.

why ?

unpassable without difficulty reduction mods... maybe only passable by at maximum 3 ppl but that's a long stretch... a map catered for 3 players of the osu population shouldnt be ranked.

love it