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15:41 cheesiest: ok so i masussming i sould forum mod this since
15:41 cheesiest: you're not on client? or smth idk
15:41 cheesiest: ro well rather yo--yeah i'll forum mod
15:42 Zaphkael: i am
15:42 Zaphkael: on client
15:42 cheesiest: oh
15:42 cheesiest: would you mind if i did an IRC mod
15:42 Zaphkael: but i dont really care how you mod tbh, if you prefer irc we can do irc, if u like forum we can do forum
15:42 Zaphkael: sure
15:43 Zaphkael: i only have 45 mins tho
15:43 Zaphkael: but sure dont forget to savelog then
15:43 cheesiest: kk i think i can do that
15:43 Zaphkael: ok
15:44 cheesiest: okay so
15:44 cheesiest: metadata
15:44 Zaphkael: 00:14:971 - sb here needs fix btw
15:45 Zaphkael: so dont worry about that
15:45 Zaphkael: ok metadata?
15:45 cheesiest: グリリ is the name of Guriri in
15:45 cheesiest: japanese
15:45 cheesiest: i guess
15:46 cheesiest: so perhaps add that to the metadata, and then like in the Romanized Title place, you type in Guriri
15:46 Zaphkael: ah, ok
15:46 Zaphkael: but is that all i have to type in the normal metadata? i dunno if that is needed anyway
15:46 cheesiest: let me check the ranked version
15:47 Zaphkael: the ranked is wrong in metadata anyway, since its not m2u feat guriri - magnolia but m2u - magnolia (feat guriri)
15:47 cheesiest: ah kk
15:47 Zaphkael: p/4642314
15:47 Zaphkael: i already discussed that
15:47 Zaphkael: its on official soundcloud
15:47 Zaphkael: so guriri isnt even in the artist field xD
15:47 cheesiest: mhmm i see o:
15:48 Zaphkael: okay
15:48 cheesiest: perhaps add it to the tags, then
15:48 Zaphkael: yeah i will
15:49 cheesiest: perhaps you can silence the slider ends in the intro?
15:49 cheesiest: well not silence but
15:49 cheesiest: near silent
15:49 cheesiest: Practically Silent
15:49 cheesiest: i just mean mostly these sliders
15:49 cheesiest: 00:03:262 (1,1,1,1) -
15:49 cheesiest: wait
15:49 cheesiest: 00:03:262 (1,1) -
15:49 cheesiest: an
15:49 cheesiest: d
15:49 cheesiest: 00:06:262 (1,1) -
15:50 Zaphkael: are u sure? lol i like the sound feedback
15:50 Zaphkael: but yeah i will change i guess xD
15:50 Zaphkael: 20%?
15:50 cheesiest: that's good i believe
15:50 Zaphkael: ok
15:50 Zaphkael: ill do that after we are finished here since it takes some time
15:51 cheesiest: yeh
15:51 cheesiest: and then Perhaps Also
15:51 cheesiest: 00:03:637 (2) - move this out a bit so it's not touching
15:51 cheesiest: that's just a personal feeling though
15:52 cheesiest: and ofc if you do decide to do that you would adjust for 00:06:637 (2) - as well
15:52 Zaphkael: ok
15:52 Zaphkael: no actually
15:52 Zaphkael: they are supposed to be played like a stack
15:52 Zaphkael: but stacked is even uglier
15:53 Zaphkael: i dunno
15:53 Zaphkael: ok did it anyway xDD
15:53 cheesiest: lol
15:53 Zaphkael: i hope its playable now lol
15:54 cheesiest: 00:46:762 (2,3,4,5,6) - here's a fun tip
15:54 cheesiest: if you select two of those points
15:54 cheesiest: let's say 2 and 3
15:54 cheesiest: since those are the first two
15:54 cheesiest: what you can do is this:
15:55 cheesiest: copy paste those two, and then rotate by -144 degrees
15:55 Zaphkael: but i used polygon lol
15:55 cheesiest: then you'd place your new 4 over the new 3--did you
15:55 Zaphkael: yeah xD
15:56 Zaphkael: but you are right they look slightly off xD sigh
15:56 cheesiest: idk shrug
15:56 cheesiest: o:
15:56 Zaphkael: ok did some minor changes
15:56 Zaphkael: should look better now
15:57 cheesiest: 00:52:012 (1) - i feel like this section up to 01:04:012 (1) -
15:57 cheesiest: could be filled more, especially if you layer parts of the music
15:58 Zaphkael: i know, but i kinda went for the slow synthesiser effect
15:58 Zaphkael: proly need more spacing if i want that hold feeling tho
15:59 cheesiest: i suppose
15:59 cheesiest: and yeah you'd need to space things more than like
15:59 cheesiest: 1x and suhc
15:59 Zaphkael: ok
16:00 cheesiest: but i mean that only if
16:00 cheesiest: you decide to fill it up more
16:00 Zaphkael: well i dont know if i should fill it up
16:00 cheesiest: wanna hear something about Music Theory and How You Can Maybe Apply Them To Maps
16:00 Zaphkael: wot
16:01 Zaphkael: xD
16:01 cheesiest: that's entirely your choice, whether or not you wanna fill that spot up more
16:01 cheesiest: but umm yeah!!
16:01 cheesiest: there's
16:01 cheesiest: Music Th--well i guess i shouldn't be so vague
16:01 cheesiest: to be specific, there's this idea that i call beatpatterning?
16:01 cheesiest: and a few others seem to call it by such
16:01 cheesiest: and basically it's a property of music
16:02 Zaphkael: yeah
16:02 cheesiest: specifically a group of sounds in music
16:02 cheesiest: for example:
16:02 Zaphkael: beats that fit together get their own combo, and between those combo's tehre is an increased spacing or an antijump most of the time
16:02 cheesiest: well, that's one way to apply it
16:02 cheesiest: but there's a more general thing to look out for
16:03 Zaphkael: 01:11:887 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
16:03 cheesiest: which is whether or not a pattern or slider placement goes against it
16:03 Zaphkael: lol just say wt u wanna say mate xD
16:03 cheesiest: i was gonna reference that part in a bit
16:03 cheesiest: but yeh
16:03 cheesiest: like
16:03 cheesiest: 01:10:012 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
16:03 cheesiest: this pattern, including slider placement, follows beatpatterning
16:03 cheesiest: because the song goes 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 for the measure
16:04 Zaphkael: yes
16:04 cheesiest: however, the next pattern falls out of beatpatterning
16:04 cheesiest: 01:11:887 (1,2,3,4) -
16:04 cheesiest: as the pattern goes for a 1-2-3 1-2-3 type of pattern
16:05 cheesiest: with 1 and 3 being stressed
16:05 Zaphkael: yeah
16:05 cheesiest: the song goes 1-2 1-2 1-2 in this section
16:05 cheesiest: however the way its mapped suggests 1-2-3 1-2-3
16:05 cheesiest: which goes against beatpatterning
16:06 Zaphkael: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4634390
16:06 cheesiest: coolio B)
16:06 Zaphkael: so this would be a better fit because its 1-2 1-2 1-2
16:06 cheesiest: yes!
16:06 Zaphkael: xD k tnx
16:06 cheesiest: its something i find a lot of people seem to like
16:06 cheesiest: slip up on?
16:06 cheesiest: even like so-called experienced mappers
16:06 Zaphkael: yeahh
16:06 Zaphkael: well this is my first beatmap tbh xD
16:07 cheesiest: ooo
16:07 cheesiest: it's p nice for a first beatmap, all things considered
16:07 Zaphkael: so i dont really know shit about mapping xD
16:07 Zaphkael: well ill keep that beatpairing in mind tho, tnx
16:07 cheesiest: mhmm!!
16:07 cheesiest: also keep in mind like
16:08 cheesiest: sometimes songs do play a 1-2-3 type beatpattern
16:08 cheesiest: i think in some instances magnolia does it but im not sure on that, i have to see the kiai section
16:08 Zaphkael: lol
16:08 cheesiest: but umm yeah
16:08 Zaphkael: kiai is...special
16:08 cheesiest: 01:14:887 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern doesn't follow beatpatterning
16:08 Zaphkael: already changing xD
16:09 cheesiest: 01:22:012 (1,2,3,4) - this is good wrt beatpatterning
16:09 cheesiest: 01:22:949 (5,6) - and this slider starts the pattern well, wrt beatpatterning
16:10 Zaphkael: yeah i know sergio helped me a lot with kiai
16:10 cheesiest: however the 7 goes against it
16:10 cheesiest: something you could do, actually, is copy paste 5 and 6 and paste it were 7 was
16:10 cheesiest: and then you'd get something that'd go with beatpatterning
16:11 cheesiest: although, of course, if you do that, you'd need to adjust stuff around, and such
16:11 Zaphkael: but then
16:11 Zaphkael: it doesnt follow the song that well anymore
16:11 cheesiest: well if you think about it
16:11 Zaphkael: wait nvm
16:11 cheesiest: circles are a stressed hit
16:11 Zaphkael: it works
16:11 cheesiest: and as are slider starts
16:11 Zaphkael: yeah
16:11 cheesiest: yeah
16:12 cheesiest: slider ends usually don't have much impact, if any
16:12 Zaphkael: ok yeah then i have to remove that 1/4 jump i just made
16:12 Zaphkael: im a monster xD
16:13 cheesiest: and then yeh o:
16:13 cheesiest: fix accordingly for the rest of the kiai
16:13 cheesiest: 01:31:574 (4) - technically speaking, this is okay
16:13 Zaphkael: okay xD
16:15 Zaphkael: ok done
16:15 cheesiest: 00:52:012 (1) - and 01:58:012 (1) - are the same section, rhythmically and song-scheme wise
16:15 Zaphkael: 01:36:262 (1,2,3,4) - i love thi pattern
16:15 cheesiest: so it's a bit weird to have one play fast and anothe rslow
16:17 cheesiest: changing either one though would require a remap of that section that you decide to change
16:17 cheesiest: so idk o:
16:17 cheesiest: and umm, as far as like major problems go i don't see much else o:
16:17 Zaphkael: yeah, but look at the way its built up: intro - easy(no notes lol break) - normal patterns, song is building up - synthesiser, slow yet some big movements - buildup to kiai, increased spacing - kiai, dubstep madness - aftermath, high sv, high spacing, still that adrenaline from kiai - epilogue
16:17 Zaphkael: wow
16:18 cheesiest: ooo okay i see your thinking
16:18 Zaphkael: thats why
16:18 cheesiest: also perhaps try OD 8
16:18 Zaphkael: lol someone asked me to reduce
16:18 Zaphkael: but sure
16:18 cheesiest: oo
16:18 Zaphkael: also, ill try to fill that slow part
16:18 Zaphkael: and see if it works out better
16:18 cheesiest: mhmm!!
16:18 cheesiest: keep in mind!! beatpatterning
16:20 Zaphkael: well tbh it works out if i just add 1/2 notes everywhere but okay xDDD
16:20 cheesiest: and i think that's it for your diff o:
15:41 cheesiest: you're not on client? or smth idk
15:41 cheesiest: ro well rather yo--yeah i'll forum mod
15:42 Zaphkael: i am
15:42 Zaphkael: on client
15:42 cheesiest: oh
15:42 cheesiest: would you mind if i did an IRC mod
15:42 Zaphkael: but i dont really care how you mod tbh, if you prefer irc we can do irc, if u like forum we can do forum
15:42 Zaphkael: sure
15:43 Zaphkael: i only have 45 mins tho
15:43 Zaphkael: but sure dont forget to savelog then
15:43 cheesiest: kk i think i can do that
15:43 Zaphkael: ok
15:44 cheesiest: okay so
15:44 cheesiest: metadata
15:44 Zaphkael: 00:14:971 - sb here needs fix btw
15:45 Zaphkael: so dont worry about that
15:45 Zaphkael: ok metadata?
15:45 cheesiest: グリリ is the name of Guriri in
15:45 cheesiest: japanese
15:45 cheesiest: i guess
15:46 cheesiest: so perhaps add that to the metadata, and then like in the Romanized Title place, you type in Guriri
15:46 Zaphkael: ah, ok
15:46 Zaphkael: but is that all i have to type in the normal metadata? i dunno if that is needed anyway
15:46 cheesiest: let me check the ranked version
15:47 Zaphkael: the ranked is wrong in metadata anyway, since its not m2u feat guriri - magnolia but m2u - magnolia (feat guriri)
15:47 cheesiest: ah kk
15:47 Zaphkael: p/4642314
15:47 Zaphkael: i already discussed that
15:47 Zaphkael: its on official soundcloud
15:47 Zaphkael: so guriri isnt even in the artist field xD
15:47 cheesiest: mhmm i see o:
15:48 Zaphkael: okay
15:48 cheesiest: perhaps add it to the tags, then
15:48 Zaphkael: yeah i will
15:49 cheesiest: perhaps you can silence the slider ends in the intro?
15:49 cheesiest: well not silence but
15:49 cheesiest: near silent
15:49 cheesiest: Practically Silent
15:49 cheesiest: i just mean mostly these sliders
15:49 cheesiest: 00:03:262 (1,1,1,1) -
15:49 cheesiest: wait
15:49 cheesiest: 00:03:262 (1,1) -
15:49 cheesiest: an
15:49 cheesiest: d
15:49 cheesiest: 00:06:262 (1,1) -
15:50 Zaphkael: are u sure? lol i like the sound feedback
15:50 Zaphkael: but yeah i will change i guess xD
15:50 Zaphkael: 20%?
15:50 cheesiest: that's good i believe
15:50 Zaphkael: ok
15:50 Zaphkael: ill do that after we are finished here since it takes some time
15:51 cheesiest: yeh
15:51 cheesiest: and then Perhaps Also
15:51 cheesiest: 00:03:637 (2) - move this out a bit so it's not touching
15:51 cheesiest: that's just a personal feeling though
15:52 cheesiest: and ofc if you do decide to do that you would adjust for 00:06:637 (2) - as well
15:52 Zaphkael: ok
15:52 Zaphkael: no actually
15:52 Zaphkael: they are supposed to be played like a stack
15:52 Zaphkael: but stacked is even uglier
15:53 Zaphkael: i dunno
15:53 Zaphkael: ok did it anyway xDD
15:53 cheesiest: lol
15:53 Zaphkael: i hope its playable now lol
15:54 cheesiest: 00:46:762 (2,3,4,5,6) - here's a fun tip
15:54 cheesiest: if you select two of those points
15:54 cheesiest: let's say 2 and 3
15:54 cheesiest: since those are the first two
15:54 cheesiest: what you can do is this:
15:55 cheesiest: copy paste those two, and then rotate by -144 degrees
15:55 Zaphkael: but i used polygon lol
15:55 cheesiest: then you'd place your new 4 over the new 3--did you
15:55 Zaphkael: yeah xD
15:56 Zaphkael: but you are right they look slightly off xD sigh
15:56 cheesiest: idk shrug
15:56 cheesiest: o:
15:56 Zaphkael: ok did some minor changes
15:56 Zaphkael: should look better now
15:57 cheesiest: 00:52:012 (1) - i feel like this section up to 01:04:012 (1) -
15:57 cheesiest: could be filled more, especially if you layer parts of the music
15:58 Zaphkael: i know, but i kinda went for the slow synthesiser effect
15:58 Zaphkael: proly need more spacing if i want that hold feeling tho
15:59 cheesiest: i suppose
15:59 cheesiest: and yeah you'd need to space things more than like
15:59 cheesiest: 1x and suhc
15:59 Zaphkael: ok
16:00 cheesiest: but i mean that only if
16:00 cheesiest: you decide to fill it up more
16:00 Zaphkael: well i dont know if i should fill it up
16:00 cheesiest: wanna hear something about Music Theory and How You Can Maybe Apply Them To Maps
16:00 Zaphkael: wot
16:01 Zaphkael: xD
16:01 cheesiest: that's entirely your choice, whether or not you wanna fill that spot up more
16:01 cheesiest: but umm yeah!!
16:01 cheesiest: there's
16:01 cheesiest: Music Th--well i guess i shouldn't be so vague
16:01 cheesiest: to be specific, there's this idea that i call beatpatterning?
16:01 cheesiest: and a few others seem to call it by such
16:01 cheesiest: and basically it's a property of music
16:02 Zaphkael: yeah
16:02 cheesiest: specifically a group of sounds in music
16:02 cheesiest: for example:
16:02 Zaphkael: beats that fit together get their own combo, and between those combo's tehre is an increased spacing or an antijump most of the time
16:02 cheesiest: well, that's one way to apply it
16:02 cheesiest: but there's a more general thing to look out for
16:03 Zaphkael: 01:11:887 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
16:03 cheesiest: which is whether or not a pattern or slider placement goes against it
16:03 Zaphkael: lol just say wt u wanna say mate xD
16:03 cheesiest: i was gonna reference that part in a bit
16:03 cheesiest: but yeh
16:03 cheesiest: like
16:03 cheesiest: 01:10:012 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
16:03 cheesiest: this pattern, including slider placement, follows beatpatterning
16:03 cheesiest: because the song goes 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 for the measure
16:04 Zaphkael: yes
16:04 cheesiest: however, the next pattern falls out of beatpatterning
16:04 cheesiest: 01:11:887 (1,2,3,4) -
16:04 cheesiest: as the pattern goes for a 1-2-3 1-2-3 type of pattern
16:05 cheesiest: with 1 and 3 being stressed
16:05 Zaphkael: yeah
16:05 cheesiest: the song goes 1-2 1-2 1-2 in this section
16:05 cheesiest: however the way its mapped suggests 1-2-3 1-2-3
16:05 cheesiest: which goes against beatpatterning
16:06 Zaphkael: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4634390
16:06 cheesiest: coolio B)
16:06 Zaphkael: so this would be a better fit because its 1-2 1-2 1-2
16:06 cheesiest: yes!
16:06 Zaphkael: xD k tnx
16:06 cheesiest: its something i find a lot of people seem to like
16:06 cheesiest: slip up on?
16:06 cheesiest: even like so-called experienced mappers
16:06 Zaphkael: yeahh
16:06 Zaphkael: well this is my first beatmap tbh xD
16:07 cheesiest: ooo
16:07 cheesiest: it's p nice for a first beatmap, all things considered
16:07 Zaphkael: so i dont really know shit about mapping xD
16:07 Zaphkael: well ill keep that beatpairing in mind tho, tnx
16:07 cheesiest: mhmm!!
16:07 cheesiest: also keep in mind like
16:08 cheesiest: sometimes songs do play a 1-2-3 type beatpattern
16:08 cheesiest: i think in some instances magnolia does it but im not sure on that, i have to see the kiai section
16:08 Zaphkael: lol
16:08 cheesiest: but umm yeah
16:08 Zaphkael: kiai is...special
16:08 cheesiest: 01:14:887 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern doesn't follow beatpatterning
16:08 Zaphkael: already changing xD
16:09 cheesiest: 01:22:012 (1,2,3,4) - this is good wrt beatpatterning
16:09 cheesiest: 01:22:949 (5,6) - and this slider starts the pattern well, wrt beatpatterning
16:10 Zaphkael: yeah i know sergio helped me a lot with kiai
16:10 cheesiest: however the 7 goes against it
16:10 cheesiest: something you could do, actually, is copy paste 5 and 6 and paste it were 7 was
16:10 cheesiest: and then you'd get something that'd go with beatpatterning
16:11 cheesiest: although, of course, if you do that, you'd need to adjust stuff around, and such
16:11 Zaphkael: but then
16:11 Zaphkael: it doesnt follow the song that well anymore
16:11 cheesiest: well if you think about it
16:11 Zaphkael: wait nvm
16:11 cheesiest: circles are a stressed hit
16:11 Zaphkael: it works
16:11 cheesiest: and as are slider starts
16:11 Zaphkael: yeah
16:11 cheesiest: yeah
16:12 cheesiest: slider ends usually don't have much impact, if any
16:12 Zaphkael: ok yeah then i have to remove that 1/4 jump i just made
16:12 Zaphkael: im a monster xD
16:13 cheesiest: and then yeh o:
16:13 cheesiest: fix accordingly for the rest of the kiai
16:13 cheesiest: 01:31:574 (4) - technically speaking, this is okay
16:13 Zaphkael: okay xD
16:15 Zaphkael: ok done
16:15 cheesiest: 00:52:012 (1) - and 01:58:012 (1) - are the same section, rhythmically and song-scheme wise
16:15 Zaphkael: 01:36:262 (1,2,3,4) - i love thi pattern
16:15 cheesiest: so it's a bit weird to have one play fast and anothe rslow
16:17 cheesiest: changing either one though would require a remap of that section that you decide to change
16:17 cheesiest: so idk o:
16:17 cheesiest: and umm, as far as like major problems go i don't see much else o:
16:17 Zaphkael: yeah, but look at the way its built up: intro - easy(no notes lol break) - normal patterns, song is building up - synthesiser, slow yet some big movements - buildup to kiai, increased spacing - kiai, dubstep madness - aftermath, high sv, high spacing, still that adrenaline from kiai - epilogue
16:17 Zaphkael: wow
16:18 cheesiest: ooo okay i see your thinking
16:18 Zaphkael: thats why
16:18 cheesiest: also perhaps try OD 8
16:18 Zaphkael: lol someone asked me to reduce
16:18 Zaphkael: but sure
16:18 cheesiest: oo
16:18 Zaphkael: also, ill try to fill that slow part
16:18 Zaphkael: and see if it works out better
16:18 cheesiest: mhmm!!
16:18 cheesiest: keep in mind!! beatpatterning
16:20 Zaphkael: well tbh it works out if i just add 1/2 notes everywhere but okay xDDD
16:20 cheesiest: and i think that's it for your diff o: