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nomico / DOWNFORCE - BRAVE OUT [CatchTheBeat]

posted 2016-06-16T08:16:10+00:00

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Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-08-29T21:16:07+00:00

murutattack wrote:
~~#quickmod~~ #modreqs from SYAHME :p

JUSENKYO'S PLATTER
00:00:873 (1) - Better put spinner just like Rain/Salad/Cup one, like put on 01:29:973 (1). I prefer to keep for maintain variety.
00:53:073 (1) - This slider could use a bit slope more to make a bit not straight sliders. Alright!
01:45:873 (1) - ^ Done too.
00:56:473 (5) - Maybe make this a bit near to next (1) Changed by a slider, I feel better.
01:33:673 (2) - Move this one to x:448, fixing flow to catch (3).

Good platter map :3 Thanks and thanks for mod, was helpful.

Update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 91473
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 24473,24873,25273,30373
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.599999

[Metadata]
Title:BRAVE OUT
TitleUnicode:BRAVE OUT
Artist:nomico / DOWNFORCE
ArtistUnicode:nomico / DOWNFORCE
Creator:SYAHME
Version:JUSEN'S PLATTER
Source:beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA
Tags:masayoshi minoshima alstroemeria records electrance MAP DX-5 Qprogue Jusenkyo JBHyperion
BeatmapID:1013297
BeatmapSetID:469487

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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@SYAHME Please add hitsounds i remove a note and lost hs, thanks <3

SYAHME

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Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-08-30T00:25:10+00:00

Jusenkyo wrote:

murutattack wrote:
~~#quickmod~~ #modreqs from SYAHME :p

JUSENKYO'S PLATTER
00:00:873 (1) - Better put spinner just like Rain/Salad/Cup one, like put on 01:29:973 (1). I prefer to keep for maintain variety.
00:53:073 (1) - This slider could use a bit slope more to make a bit not straight sliders. Alright!
01:45:873 (1) - ^ Done too.
00:56:473 (5) - Maybe make this a bit near to next (1) Changed by a slider, I feel better.
01:33:673 (2) - Move this one to x:448, fixing flow to catch (3).

Good platter map :3 Thanks and thanks for mod, was helpful.

Update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 91473
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 24473,24873,25273,30373
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.599999

[Metadata]
Title:BRAVE OUT
TitleUnicode:BRAVE OUT
Artist:nomico / DOWNFORCE
ArtistUnicode:nomico / DOWNFORCE
Creator:SYAHME
Version:JUSEN'S PLATTER
Source:beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA
Tags:masayoshi minoshima alstroemeria records electrance MAP DX-5 Qprogue Jusenkyo JBHyperion
BeatmapID:1013297
BeatmapSetID:469487

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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1873,400,4,2,1,50,1,0
27473,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
93073,-100,4,2,1,50,0,1
118673,-100,4,2,1,20,0,0


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@SYAHME Please add hitsounds i remove a note and lost hs, thanks <3

Updated, thanks Jusenkyo.

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2016-08-31T07:39:18+00:00

From that mod queue I have
Cup
For the following sliders: 00:28:873 (3) - 00:30:473 (2) - 00:32:073 (2) - 00:35:273 (2) -
You seem to be swapping between going towards the next note, and going away. Would suggest to have all of them following the direction of the pattern.

01:24:673 (3,1) - Could give them the same x coordinate, would look nicer. Just move 01:25:473 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - to x=272
But after doing this, it kind of undermines with 01:24:673 (3,4,1), maybe don't do this, something to consider.

01:48:273 (1,2) - Too far left. Hit ctrl-a to see what I mean, very few notes go that far. Can just move the entire 01:48:273 (1,2,3,1,2) - over a bit

Salad
00:11:473 (1) - Move apex of slider to the end of 00:10:673 (3). You could also potentially ctrl-g it to make it flow better.

00:45:373 (1) - ctrl-g, it's very awkward to catch

01:05:873 (1) - You have a small reverse slider for the lyrics here, but none at 01:09:073 (1) -

01:51:673 (2) - Too much antiflow, ctrl-h

Platter
00:47:073 (3,4) - 00:48:673 (2,3) - It just irks me a little that the start of the slider doesn't have the same x coordinate as the circle. Nothing too serious but might as well fix.

01:20:873 (2,3) - I don't think this pattern should be a dash, probably because it looks close enough to not be a dash, but it is.

01:56:673 (4,1) - Hyperdash into antiflow, not too good on this map. Would suggest to ctrl-g 1,2 and 3,4. Also allows for a better finish to the stream.

Redemption is a bit above what I can play.

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-08-31T14:14:53+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
From that mod queue I have
Cup
For the following sliders: 00:28:873 (3) - 00:30:473 (2) - 00:32:073 (2) - 00:35:273 (2) -
You seem to be swapping between going towards the next note, and going away. Would suggest to have all of them following the direction of the pattern. - I want to make some varieties.

01:24:673 (3,1) - Could give them the same x coordinate, would look nicer. Just move 01:25:473 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - to x=272
But after doing this, it kind of undermines with 01:24:673 (3,4,1), maybe don't do this, something to consider. - No change

01:48:273 (1,2) - Too far left. Hit ctrl-a to see what I mean, very few notes go that far. Can just move the entire 01:48:273 (1,2,3,1,2) - over a bit - I agree with you, make it to the right a little bit.

Salad
00:11:473 (1) - Move apex of slider to the end of 00:10:673 (3). You could also potentially ctrl-g it to make it flow better. - No change, you should use a dash.

00:45:373 (1) - ctrl-g, it's very awkward to catch - I want to make some movement here, so no change.

01:05:873 (1) - You have a small reverse slider for the lyrics here, but none at 01:09:073 (1) - You heard the first have a strong beat, so I make a reverse slider to cover it.

01:51:673 (2) - Too much antiflow, ctrl-h - The flow will become weird, so no change.

Redemption is a bit above what I can play. - It's okay

Thanks for the mod.

Last edited by SYAHME 2016-08-31T23:06:25+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Cowboy

472 posts

Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-08-31T19:43:29+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
From that mod queue I have

Platter
00:47:073 (3,4) - 00:48:673 (2,3) - It just irks me a little that the start of the slider doesn't have the same x coordinate as the circle. Nothing too serious but might as well fix. Moved o.o

01:20:873 (2,3) - I don't think this pattern should be a dash, probably because it looks close enough to not be a dash, but it is. hdash doesn't fit here.

01:56:673 (4,1) - Hyperdash into antiflow, not too good on this map. Would suggest to ctrl-g 1,2 and 3,4. Also allows for a better finish to the stream. H-dash fits here becasue are the final part, the climax need to be more stronger.

Thanks for mod!

Update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 91473
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 24473,24873,25273,30373
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.599999

[Metadata]
Title:BRAVE OUT
TitleUnicode:BRAVE OUT
Artist:nomico / DOWNFORCE
ArtistUnicode:nomico / DOWNFORCE
Creator:SYAHME
Version:JUSEN'S PLATTER
Source:beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA
Tags:masayoshi minoshima alstroemeria records electrance MAP DX-5 Qprogue Jusenkyo JBHyperion
BeatmapID:1013297
BeatmapSetID:469487

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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93073,-100,4,2,1,50,0,1
118673,-100,4,2,1,20,0,0


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SYAHME

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Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-08-31T22:45:45+00:00

Jusenkyo wrote:

Sinnoh wrote:
From that mod queue I have

Platter
00:47:073 (3,4) - 00:48:673 (2,3) - It just irks me a little that the start of the slider doesn't have the same x coordinate as the circle. Nothing too serious but might as well fix. Moved o.o

01:20:873 (2,3) - I don't think this pattern should be a dash, probably because it looks close enough to not be a dash, but it is. hdash doesn't fit here.

01:56:673 (4,1) - Hyperdash into antiflow, not too good on this map. Would suggest to ctrl-g 1,2 and 3,4. Also allows for a better finish to the stream. H-dash fits here becasue are the final part, the climax need to be more stronger.

Thanks for mod!

Update

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 91473
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 2
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 24473,24873,25273,30373
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.599999

[Metadata]
Title:BRAVE OUT
TitleUnicode:BRAVE OUT
Artist:nomico / DOWNFORCE
ArtistUnicode:nomico / DOWNFORCE
Creator:SYAHME
Version:JUSEN'S PLATTER
Source:beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA
Tags:masayoshi minoshima alstroemeria records electrance MAP DX-5 Qprogue Jusenkyo JBHyperion
BeatmapID:1013297
BeatmapSetID:469487

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

[TimingPoints]
1873,400,4,2,1,50,1,0
27473,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
93073,-100,4,2,1,50,0,1
118673,-100,4,2,1,20,0,0


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rew0825

1,290 posts

Joined March 2013

rew0825 2016-09-24T01:28:01+00:00

M4M Request but i not have any map to your mod xD

[

CUP]

00:28:673 (2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - This part, how about to try this rhythm
Picture
01:15:473 (5,1,2,1,2) - This part i think slider is should use on drawl, how about to try this rhythm
Picture

[

SALAD]

00:07:873 (3,4) - Between this distance is should be more, how about x:400
00:45:373 (1) - ctrl+g?
01:52:273 (4,1) - how about to try this rhythm
Picture

[

JUSEN'S PLATTER]

00:05:873 (1) - reduce this slider about distane of end slider to 00:06:473 (2) -
01:45:873 (1) - increase this slider

[

HYPERION'S REDEMPTION]

01:36:673 (3,4) - Change in a bit
Picture
01:52:873 (6) - How about move to x:372 and Change slider a bit
Picture

So very fun map <3 Good luck

Cowboy

472 posts

Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-09-24T02:24:50+00:00

rew0825 wrote:
M4M Request but i not have any map to your mod xD

[ JUSEN'S PLATTER]
00:05:873 (1) - reduce this slider about distane of end slider to 00:06:473 (2) - The distance works fine here.
01:45:873 (1) - increase this slider Don't need to increase, its fine.

So very fun map <3 Good luck Thanks for the mod but no changes from me.

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-09-24T05:00:00+00:00

rew0825 wrote:
M4M Request but i not have any map to your mod xD - Exchange for 2 kudosu xD

[ CUP]
00:28:673 (2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - This part, how about to try this rhythm - Sorry, I don't want to change anything on this.
Picture
01:15:473 (5,1,2,1,2) - This part i think slider is should use on drawl, how about to try this rhythm - Sorry, I don't want to change anything on this.
Picture
[ SALAD]
00:07:873 (3,4) - Between this distance is should be more, how about x:400 - Sorry, I will keep like this.
00:45:373 (1) - ctrl+g? - Sorry, I like this pattern.
01:52:273 (4,1) - how about to try this rhythm - Nice, follow as suggested.
Picture

So very fun map <3 Good luck - Thanks

Thanks for the mod.

Last edited by SYAHME 2016-09-25T15:39:29+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-09-24T12:18:03+00:00

rew0825 wrote:
M4M Request but i not have any map to your mod xD

[ HYPERION'S REDEMPTION]
01:36:673 (3,4) - Change in a bit
Picture
Sure, flows a little better
01:52:873 (6) - How about move to x:372 and Change slider a bit
Picture
Sure, vocal at 01:53:073 (1) - is strong enough to warrant a hyper
So very fun map <3 Good luck

Thanks for the mod!

Rain

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SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-09-24T12:23:46+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:

rew0825 wrote:
M4M Request but i not have any map to your mod xD

[ HYPERION'S REDEMPTION]
01:36:673 (3,4) - Change in a bit
Picture
Sure, flows a little better
01:52:873 (6) - How about move to x:372 and Change slider a bit
Picture
Sure, vocal at 01:53:073 (1) - is strong enough to warrant a hyper
So very fun map <3 Good luck

Thanks for the mod!

Rain

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Updated

MBomb

MBomb 2016-10-02T17:32:05+00:00

ayy

[Cup]

00:05:073 (2) - Stronger distance would be nice for vocal, you could try x:432.
00:14:673 (2) - Same as above, do x:80.
00:24:673 (2,4) - More distancing here could be nice for emphasis on the strong sounds here, maybe try x:384 on both.
01:39:473 (3) - Higher distance to this for the cymbal-like sound here, try x:64.
01:41:873 (1) - For vocals here, higher distance could work, x:48 maybe.

[Salad]

00:10:673 (3) - Distance to this might be a bit strong for a non-dash, try x:416 instead.
00:13:873 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Ends up feeling pretty repetitive, what you could do to reduce the repetitive feeling is ctrl+H 00:17:073 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - , and then move 00:20:673 (2) - to x:144.
00:31:873 (2) - Not really fitting for a dash, but this is kinda difficult without dashing right now, maybe try x:160.
00:35:873 (1,1,2) - I don't think the dash to the start of this really fits very well, however, a dash to both of the next two sliders for the strong drum beats would be nice, so try moving the first 1 to x:192, and then ctrl+g the second 1 and move to x:480.
00:49:473 (2) - This note isn't really strong at all, I'm not sure why you used a dash to it, try x:320.
00:51:073 (2) - Dash to this for strong drums would be nice, maybe x:368.
01:05:873 (1) - x:368, just so a salad player knows to dash here.
01:24:273 (1,2) - A dash to 2 could be nice, maybe curve 1 like this, and then move 2,3 to x:128.
01:27:473 (3) - Move this to x:128 to avoid any awkward movements.
01:28:273 (5,6,7,8,9) - Move to x:336, a dash here for the drums would be nice.
01:34:873 (3) - I think this should be a bit closer to the rest of the triple, try x:160.
01:36:473 (3) - ^, x:272.
01:38:073 (3) - ^, x:320.
01:39:673 (3) - ^, x:288.
01:41:873 (4,5) - Could be nice to add dashes both to and from this, try x:496 maybe?
01:42:873 (2) - Again, feels a bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:112.
01:43:473 (4,5) - Distancing between notes here feels a bit strong, maybe try 4 on x:224, and 5 on x:416.
01:44:473 (7) - Bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:208.
01:45:873 (2,1,2) - Add a dash to this for the strong drum sounds? x:480 would be nicer.
01:49:073 (3) - Vertical slider on x:352 would be nice, for a dash to this.
01:50:273 (2) - x:240 would be nice, current distances are a bit strong, and dashes don't really fit the song here.
01:53:073 (2) - x:64 would work well, to have a dash for the vocal.
01:55:473 (1,2,3,4) - Move this section to x:112 to add a dash for strong notes here.

[Platter]

00:00:873 (1) - This is the only diff that uses this spinner, so I think it'd be best to remove it and just have a note on where the end is currently.
00:02:473 (2) - Feels a bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:320.
00:17:073 (4) - Ctrl+H on this and moving it back to x:352 would be nice to add a bit of variety in the patterns.
00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - Higher distancing to and from this could work, try x:200 on this.
00:24:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Adding dashes here for the strong sounds would be nice. Try 2 on x:272, and then 00:25:473 (4,5,6) - onto x:288.
00:33:073 (4,5,6) - Could be nice to make a dash to 4, and then also a dash from 6, each for respective strong drum sounds. Try 4 on x:88, 5 on x:56, and 6 on x:88. Makes a nice flowing triple pattern from each dash.
00:36:873 (4,1) - HDash feels kinda forced against the wall right now. Try 4 on x:216 and then 1 on x:480.
00:37:473 (2) - Dashes for strong drum sounds would be nice. Try x:296 on this.
00:38:273 (4) - Same reasoning as above, try a vertical slider at x:320 here.
00:46:473 (2) - Very strong sound here that you're using just a sliderend for, feels kinda off to me.
00:51:473 (1) - Try x:272 on this, current distancing feels a little weak considering how strong the movement is.
00:54:473 (3) - Distancing a tiny bit strong on triple, try x:224 instead.
00:59:073 (3) - Try x:368, to make dash more obvious to a platter player.
01:09:473 (2) - Dash to this could be nice for vocal, maybe curve slider like this and move to x:192.
01:13:073 (3) - Try moving this to x:96 and curving like this to add dash for vocal whilst still keeping flow (Keep slider 1/1 of course, realised I messed up screenshot after doing this).
01:13:873 (1) - Distance to this is pretty uncomfortable without dashing right now, maybe try x:288 to make it more comfortable flow here.
01:25:073 (1) - Maybe make a HDash to this for the start of the strong drum section by curving like this and moving to x:216.
01:55:873 (2) - Dashes would be nice here, maybe make this a horizontal slider going left at x:200.
01:57:273 (2) - Lower distance would be nice here considering direction changes, try x:160.

[Redemption]

I don't expect to say much here considering I've looked at it before, and, well, Hyperion has perfect mapping, but let's check anyway.

00:15:873 (4) - Kinda difficult right now, try like x:172 instead.
00:20:273 (3) - This one feels a bit strong too, try x:212.
00:49:073 (3) - Again, can be kinda difficult to hit at this strength, maybe do x:140.

Yeah, nothing else to really say.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more.

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-02T17:53:02+00:00

- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ayy - ayy

[Cup]

00:05:073 (2) - Stronger distance would be nice for vocal, you could try x:432. - Done
00:14:673 (2) - Same as above, do x:80. - Done
00:24:673 (2,4) - More distancing here could be nice for emphasis on the strong sounds here, maybe try x:384 on both. - Done
01:39:473 (3) - Higher distance to this for the cymbal-like sound here, try x:64. - I didn't follow this suggestion, but I change into another pattern to emphasize the cymbal-like sound.
01:41:873 (1) - For vocals here, higher distance could work, x:48 maybe. - Done, but I change at x:80 cause not try to make the pattern & flow more weird.

[Salad]

00:10:673 (3) - Distance to this might be a bit strong for a non-dash, try x:416 instead. - Done
00:13:873 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Ends up feeling pretty repetitive, what you could do to reduce the repetitive feeling is ctrl+H 00:17:073 (2,3,4,5,1,2) - , and then move 00:20:673 (2) - to x:144. - Done, change the repetitive. Although it's actually my style but your suggestions is good, but after the slider I change into my own pattern instead of move 00:20:673 (2) - to x:144.
00:31:873 (2) - Not really fitting for a dash, but this is kinda difficult without dashing right now, maybe try x:160. - Done
00:35:873 (1,1,2) - I don't think the dash to the start of this really fits very well, however, a dash to both of the next two sliders for the strong drum beats would be nice, so try moving the first 1 to x:192, and then ctrl+g the second 1 and move to x:480. - Done, but for the first 1 I moved to x:176 and for the second 1 I don't want to ctrl+g cause I want its have the same pattern with the next slider. I also moved the second 1 to x:400.
00:49:473 (2) - This note isn't really strong at all, I'm not sure why you used a dash to it, try x:320. - Done, but moved to x:288.
00:51:073 (2) - Dash to this for strong drums would be nice, maybe x:368. - Done, but moved to x:336.
01:05:873 (1) - x:368, just so a salad player knows to dash here. - Done
01:24:273 (1,2) - A dash to 2 could be nice, maybe curve 1 like this, and then move 2,3 to x:128. - I didn't follow this suggestion but I moved 1 to x:80 to make a dash. I also didn't follow the next one because I want the pattern of 2,3 consistent with the next hitcircle.
01:27:473 (3) - Move this to x:128 to avoid any awkward movements. - No change, the pattern become more awkward and not fun to play.
01:28:273 (5,6,7,8,9) - Move to x:336, a dash here for the drums would be nice. - Done, but moved to x:320.
01:34:873 (3) - I think this should be a bit closer to the rest of the triple, try x:160. - Done, but make it closer by 1 box.
01:36:473 (3) - ^, x:272. - ^
01:38:073 (3) - ^, x:320. - ^
01:39:673 (3) - ^, x:288. - ^
01:41:873 (4,5) - Could be nice to add dashes both to and from this, try x:496 maybe? - Nice, but I moved to x:464.
01:42:873 (2) - Again, feels a bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:112. - Done, but make it closer by 1 box.
01:43:473 (4,5) - Distancing between notes here feels a bit strong, maybe try 4 on x:224, and 5 on x:416. - I didn't change on 4 but I moved 5 to x:464.
01:44:473 (7) - Bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:208. - Done, but make it closer by 1 box.
01:45:873 (2,1,2) - Add a dash to this for the strong drum sounds? x:480 would be nicer. - Well, we'll see what other modders opinion.
01:49:073 (3) - Vertical slider on x:352 would be nice, for a dash to this. - ^
01:50:273 (2) - x:240 would be nice, current distances are a bit strong, and dashes don't really fit the song here. - Done, but moved to x:224.
01:53:073 (2) - x:64 would work well, to have a dash for the vocal. - Wrong x-axis?
01:55:473 (1,2,3,4) - Move this section to x:112 to add a dash for strong notes here. - Done, but moved to x:128.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more. - Okay, I will try find a few more mods.

Thanks for the mod.

Last edited by SYAHME 2016-10-03T15:41:03+00:00, edited 7 times in total.

Cowboy

472 posts

Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-10-02T18:43:12+00:00

- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ayy

[Platter]

00:00:873 (1) - This is the only diff that uses this spinner, so I think it'd be best to remove it and just have a note on where the end is currently. Yes, i know, but the spinner seems fine to me, so i just move a bit, and add a note.
00:02:473 (2) - Feels a bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:320. Moved.
00:17:073 (4) - Ctrl+H on this and moving it back to x:352 would be nice to add a bit of variety in the patterns. Well, added to give more variety.
00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - Higher distancing to and from this could work, try x:200 on this. Moved, seems better.
00:24:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Adding dashes here for the strong sounds would be nice. Try 2 on x:272, and then 00:25:473 (4,5,6) - onto x:288. Moved.
00:33:073 (4,5,6) - Could be nice to make a dash to 4, and then also a dash from 6, each for respective strong drum sounds. Try 4 on x:88, 5 on x:56, and 6 on x:88. Makes a nice flowing triple pattern from each dash. Done, seems better than my old pattern.
00:36:873 (4,1) - HDash feels kinda forced against the wall right now. Try 4 on x:216 and then 1 on x:480. Done.
00:37:473 (2) - Dashes for strong drum sounds would be nice. Try x:296 on this. Distance increased.
00:38:273 (4) - Same reasoning as above, try a vertical slider at x:320 here. Done too.
00:46:473 (2) - Very strong sound here that you're using just a sliderend for, feels kinda off to me. Slider replaced by a two notes.
00:51:473 (1) - Try x:272 on this, current distancing feels a little weak considering how strong the movement is. Moved.
00:54:473 (3) - Distancing a tiny bit strong on triple, try x:224 instead. Feels better.
00:59:073 (3) - Try x:368, to make dash more obvious to a platter player. Dash added and moved (4) a bit to the right so avoid stack these notes.
01:09:473 (2) - Dash to this could be nice for vocal, maybe curve slider like this and move to x:192. Done.
01:13:073 (3) - Try moving this to x:96 and curving like this to add dash for vocal whilst still keeping flow (Keep slider 1/1 of course, realised I messed up screenshot after doing this). Done too.
01:13:873 (1) - Distance to this is pretty uncomfortable without dashing right now, maybe try x:288 to make it more comfortable flow here. Moved a bit.
01:25:073 (1) - Maybe make a HDash to this for the start of the strong drum section by curving like this and moving to x:216. Done
01:55:873 (2) - Dashes would be nice here, maybe make this a horizontal slider going left at x:200. Dash added.
01:57:273 (2) - Lower distance would be nice here considering direction changes, try x:160. Moved.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more. We are trying to get more mods on these diffs, thanks for the mod, was helpful.

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JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-10-02T21:08:01+00:00

- Magic Bomb - wrote:
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[Redemption]

I don't expect to say much here considering I've looked at it before, and, well, Hyperion has perfect mapping, but let's check anyway.

00:15:873 (4) - Kinda difficult right now, try like x:172 instead. Sure thing
00:20:273 (3) - This one feels a bit strong too, try x:212. Fair enough, vocal is a little weaker here
00:49:073 (3) - Again, can be kinda difficult to hit at this strength, maybe do x:140. Moved 00:49:073 (3,4) to x-140 to avoid a flowstop between them

Yeah, nothing else to really say.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Rdmptn

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SYAHME

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SYAHME 2016-10-03T01:49:08+00:00

Jusenkyo wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ayy

[Platter]

00:00:873 (1) - This is the only diff that uses this spinner, so I think it'd be best to remove it and just have a note on where the end is currently. Yes, i know, but the spinner seems fine to me, so i just move a bit, and add a note.
00:02:473 (2) - Feels a bit far from the rest of the triple, try x:320.
00:17:073 (4) - Ctrl+H on this and moving it back to x:352 would be nice to add a bit of variety in the patterns. Well, added to give more variety.
00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - Higher distancing to and from this could work, try x:200 on this. Moved, seems better.
00:24:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Adding dashes here for the strong sounds would be nice. Try 2 on x:272, and then 00:25:473 (4,5,6) - onto x:288. Moved.
00:33:073 (4,5,6) - Could be nice to make a dash to 4, and then also a dash from 6, each for respective strong drum sounds. Try 4 on x:88, 5 on x:56, and 6 on x:88. Makes a nice flowing triple pattern from each dash. Done, seems better than my old pattern.
00:36:873 (4,1) - HDash feels kinda forced against the wall right now. Try 4 on x:216 and then 1 on x:480. Done.
00:37:473 (2) - Dashes for strong drum sounds would be nice. Try x:296 on this. Distance increased.
00:38:273 (4) - Same reasoning as above, try a vertical slider at x:320 here. Done too.
00:46:473 (2) - Very strong sound here that you're using just a sliderend for, feels kinda off to me. Slider replaced by a two notes.
00:51:473 (1) - Try x:272 on this, current distancing feels a little weak considering how strong the movement is. Moved.
00:54:473 (3) - Distancing a tiny bit strong on triple, try x:224 instead. Feels better.
00:59:073 (3) - Try x:368, to make dash more obvious to a platter player. Dash added and moved (4) a bit to the right so avoid stack these notes.
01:09:473 (2) - Dash to this could be nice for vocal, maybe curve slider like this and move to x:192. Done.
01:13:073 (3) - Try moving this to x:96 and curving like this to add dash for vocal whilst still keeping flow (Keep slider 1/1 of course, realised I messed up screenshot after doing this). Done too.
01:13:873 (1) - Distance to this is pretty uncomfortable without dashing right now, maybe try x:288 to make it more comfortable flow here. Moved a bit.
01:25:073 (1) - Maybe make a HDash to this for the start of the strong drum section by curving like this and moving to x:216. Done
01:55:873 (2) - Dashes would be nice here, maybe make this a horizontal slider going left at x:200. Dash added.
01:57:273 (2) - Lower distance would be nice here considering direction changes, try x:160. Moved.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more. We are trying to get more mods on these diffs, thanks for the mod, was helpful.

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JBHyperion wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ayy

[Redemption]

I don't expect to say much here considering I've looked at it before, and, well, Hyperion has perfect mapping, but let's check anyway.

00:15:873 (4) - Kinda difficult right now, try like x:172 instead. Sure thing
00:20:273 (3) - This one feels a bit strong too, try x:212. Fair enough, vocal is a little weaker here
00:49:073 (3) - Again, can be kinda difficult to hit at this strength, maybe do x:140. Moved 00:49:073 (3,4) to x-140 to avoid a flowstop between them

Yeah, nothing else to really say.

Alright, done. I'd suggest getting a few more mods, mainly for salad and platter, before calling me back though, as I feel as though those can be refined quite a bit more.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Rdmptn

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Lyaneii

138 posts

Joined July 2013

Lyaneii 2016-10-08T21:26:06+00:00

PM Mod Request
Bolded is more important than normal ones
[Salad]
00:24:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - Those 'stationary' dashes, especially a lot of them at that point, seem a bit too hard for a salad difficulty.

00:41:073 (1) - This repeat slider mimicks the switch in the pitch of the piano, but the pitch at 00:42:673 (1) - is elevating in each note, while there still is a repeat slider, I would rather put this pattern 00:44:273 (1,2,3) - at that point instead of the repeat slider.

00:45:373 (1,2) - This anti-flow slider seems a little bit too hard as it can catch you off guard if you do not time this well with the next note.

01:28:273 (5) - Start NC at this note.

01:33:073 (4,1,1,2) - The NC of the whole kiai time seems to be off by 1 beat. (Actually, the NC is off beat at a lot of points in the map itself).

01:46:473 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Note density seems a bit too high in this part, but idk the exact rules of note density in difficulties.

[Platter]
00:07:873 (2,3,4) - Just a minor minor minor thing, the triplet here is a slightly 'unintentionally' curved ingame -> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6278309, looks nicer if it was just one diagonal triplet.

00:10:473 (4,1,2,3,4,1) - This non-dash zigzag goes unnoticeably into a dash at the end, followed up by a hyperdash, that really catches people off guard.

01:44:273 (5,6,7,8) - Same for this one ^

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-09T01:12:01+00:00

Calibus wrote:
PM Mod Request
Bolded is more important than normal ones
[Salad]
00:24:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - Those 'stationary' dashes, especially a lot of them at that point, seem a bit too hard for a salad difficulty. - Yes, I have reduced the distance between them.

00:41:073 (1) - This repeat slider mimicks the switch in the pitch of the piano, but the pitch at 00:42:673 (1) - is elevating in each note, while there still is a repeat slider, I would rather put this pattern 00:44:273 (1,2,3) - at that point instead of the repeat slider. - Change the second 1 with 00:44:273 (1,2,3) - this, but the first 1 I will keep.

00:45:373 (1,2) - This anti-flow slider seems a little bit too hard as it can catch you off guard if you do not time this well with the next note. - I think it's not that hard.

01:28:273 (5) - Start NC at this note. - Done

01:33:073 (4,1,1,2) - The NC of the whole kiai time seems to be off by 1 beat. (Actually, the NC is off beat at a lot of points in the map itself). - I think the NC in kiai part is fine.

01:46:473 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Note density seems a bit too high in this part, but idk the exact rules of note density in difficulties. - Well, I only used 1/1 & 1/2 so there is no problem.

Thanks for the mod.

Cowboy

472 posts

Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-10-09T01:51:55+00:00

Calibus wrote:
PM Mod Request
Bolded is more important than normal ones[/b

[Platter]
00:07:873 (2,3,4) - Just a minor minor minor thing, the triplet here is a slightly 'unintentionally' curved ingame -> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6278309, looks nicer if it was just one diagonal triplet. Re-mapped this.

00:10:473 (4,1,2,3,4,1) - [b]This non-dash zigzag goes unnoticeably into a dash at the end, followed up by a hyperdash, that really catches people off guard. I feel better like as now, gives more movement.

01:44:273 (5,6,7,8) - Same for this one ^The same

Thanks for the mod

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SYAHME

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Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-09T01:58:10+00:00

Jusenkyo wrote:

Calibus wrote:
PM Mod Request
Bolded is more important than normal ones[/b

[Platter]
00:07:873 (2,3,4) - Just a minor minor minor thing, the triplet here is a slightly 'unintentionally' curved ingame -> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6278309, looks nicer if it was just one diagonal triplet. Re-mapped this.

00:10:473 (4,1,2,3,4,1) - [b]This non-dash zigzag goes unnoticeably into a dash at the end, followed up by a hyperdash, that really catches people off guard. I feel better like as now, gives more movement.

01:44:273 (5,6,7,8) - Same for this one ^The same

Thanks for the mod

Update

osu file format v14

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Lyaneii

138 posts

Joined July 2013

Lyaneii 2016-10-12T20:31:44+00:00

Btw where is the rain difficulty for the difficulty spread? It jumps from 2,9 stars to 4,3 stars right now :/

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-10-12T22:04:28+00:00

Calibus wrote:
Btw where is the rain difficulty for the difficulty spread? It jumps from 2,9 stars to 4,3 stars right now :/

My diff is a Rain, SR is inaccurate because "1/4 hypers = difficulty" apparently

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-14T11:57:14+00:00

I hope I don't have to create 1 more diff between platter and redemption. Its will take more time to map and mod. Furthermore, I don't like 2 insane diff in my maps.

-Sh1n1-

3,402 posts

Joined September 2012

-Sh1n1- 2016-10-15T20:29:04+00:00

SYAHME wrote:
I hope I don't have to create 1 more diff between platter and redemption. Its will take more time to map and mod. Furthermore, I don't like 2 insane diff in my maps.

Let's see if I can do something with my mod

CUP

You are following vocal the most part of the song and it's the main problem of your diff, I'll explain you why. If you take a look from 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 - and then compare with kiai time from 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673 -, the intensity of the melody is the same, but you mapped totally different cause the first one doesn't have vocal, keep consistency at least on the same amount of notes to be consistant.
The calmest part of the song is from 00:40:273 - to 00:51:473 -, so 00:49:473 (1) - and 00:50:273 (3) - isn't at all necessary, I strongly recommend you to delete such notes to be consistent with your previous patterns.
From 00:22:673 - to 00:25:573 - why whistle when you can add better hitsounds as JBH did, also sounds weird and isn't related with the song, same at 01:45:073 -
After that, I really like this diff, good job

SALAD

00:01:873 (1,2,3,1,2) - two problems, 00:01:873 (1,3) - boring cause is the same pattern, 00:03:073 (2,3) - 00:04:673 (1,2) - both jumps are from right to left, I won't say to change the whole pattern cause it might cause troubles to you, but at least try to add variety on sliders, I suggest you to remove 00:01:873 (1) - and copy 00:05:073 (2) - with ctrl+c and paste at 00:01:873 - with ctrl+v, finally press ctrl+g to 00:01:873 (1) -
00:07:873 (3,4) - add a little bit of more distance.
00:09:073 (1,2,3,1) - why 00:09:873 (2,3) - have more distance than 00:10:673 (3,1) - when the strongest sound is on 00:11:473 - ? but I know that you added more distance at 00:10:673 - cause there is a different sound compared to 00:09:073 - and 00:09:873 -, so to be coherent, I suggest you to move 00:10:673 (3) - to x:368.
00:21:073 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - quality yeah but looks weird when is too long, I recommend you to add more distance between 00:22:473 (4,1) -, move 00:22:673 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - to x:320
00:28:273 (2,3) - reduce the distance a bit, try to make something like 00:34:673 (3,4,5) -
00:33:073 (1,2) - the distance between such objects, shouldn't be around 1.60x
00:33:873 (2,3) - same as above but 1.40x?
00:45:373 (1,2,1) - one more time you have the same problem with patterns on the calmest part of the song, I'm wonder cause you added 1/4 patterns on this part but not on the rest of the song that is supposed to be more intense, Also I want to talk about the gap of notes between platter and salad, you should add more 1/4 tripplets to make a better introduction to the platter diff, for example at 00:07:973 - 00:33:173 - 00:51:173 - 00:58:773 - 01:18:373 - 01:24:773 - 01:24:873 - 01:32:773 - 01:51:973 -
00:53:073 - rather than reverse, add a jump at 00:53:073 - cause strong sound.
00:56:073 - I feel that you are skeeping an important sound here, 00:55:673 (5) - move the tail of such slider to the left, then add a reverse.
00:58:673 (5,1,2) - same distance between such sliders? there is a strong sound at 00:59:473 -, try to add more enphasis.
01:33:073 - Idk if you remenber my previous advice on cup's diff, the current patterns on kiai time are too repetitive, try to make some patterns as u did on 00:27:473 -
01:49:673 (4) - there isn't a strong sound but there are more distance between 01:49:073 (3,4) - than between 01:49:673 (4,1) -, to fix it I recommend you to add curve on 01:49:073 (3) -
01:52:273 - strong sound and u didn't enphasize, add more distance between 01:51:873 (3,1) -, around 2.00x it's fine.
01:55:473 (1,2,3,4) - don't u want to increase gradually the distance between each object? for example move 01:55:873 (2) - to x:304 and 01:56:673 (4) - to x:336
same as CUP about Hitsounds

JUSEN'S PLATTER

Ok primero que nada te quiero hablar de los spinners, yo mismo soy el que muchas veces dice que cada mapper es diferente y que no es necesario mantener un patron general cuando tienes muchas GD pero el spin que usas al comienzo ( 00:00:673 (1) - ) es muy corto para serte sincero, al ser muy corto tienes que buscar otro sonido que sea prominente, y es ahi donde tienes que seguir la vocal asi que el segundo motivo para que lo borres es que si te fijas en todas las demas diffs tu eres el unico que sigue instrumental, ya que las otras dificultades siguen la vocal al inicio, eso te dejara sin spinners pero tu como player sabes que un mapa de ctb sin Spinner no es muy divertido, asi que una vez mas quiero que mires en la diff JBH y uses el spin que el pone en 01:29:973 -, el break es demasiado largo y ya que tu diff es una instroduccion a una Rain necesitas aprovechar todos los sonidos al maximo para no dejar muchos vacios que se asemejen a una diff salad o cup, asi que de paso, mejoraras el spread del set.

No se si recordaras que una vez te hable de tres tipos de distancias, la distancia normal que va entre cada nota, la enfatizadora que son jumps sin hdash y los hyperdashes en si, te hago recordar esto porque al mirar tu intro me encuentro con demasiadas inconsistencias que tienes que fixear (ahora entiendo porque MB no quiere dar icono), primero quiero que reconozcas la cancion y que detectes que sonidos deben guardar consistencia entre si para poder saber donde usar bien tus hdashes, segundo pues creo que no es tu estilo usar siempre las mismas distancias, si no que te gusta variar para enfatizar mejor los sonidos, para esos casos no te dare distancias exactas si no aproximados, tercero seria tu estructura, pero la actual no me molesta para nada, como modder, interpreto tu estructura de forma ascendente, es decir primero empiezas con sliders largos de 1/1 y luego los vas separando en sliders de 1/2, y eso esta bien al menos en el intro.

1.- Empezemos de mayor a menor hablando del reconocimiento de tu cancion, tu intro esta separado en dos secciones, el punto intermedio es 00:08:273 - (si quieres puedes agregar bookmarks), de esas dos secciones la primera tambien esta separada en otras dos secciones y su punto intermedio es 00:05:073 -, el punto intermedio de la segunda seria en 00:11:473 -, si escuchas detenidamente todos los puntos que he cogido, te daras cuenta de que son sonidos muy fuertes (todos perfectos para usar hyperdashes), lo que tendrias que encontrar aqui es lo siguiente:

Actualmente solo te faltaria agregar un hyperdash en el medio de 00:08:073 (4,5) -.

2.- Luego de haber detectado los sonidos fuertes de manera satisfactoria, quiero que te enfoques en tus distancias ahora, y para eso vas a tener que detectar un nuevo sonido: 00:02:673 - 00:05:873 - 00:09:073 - 00:12:273 - son sonidos de bateria levemente fuertes verdad? se ve mejor si les pones una distancia de entre 2.00x hasta 2.40x, puedes jugar entre esas distancia segun el tipo de movimiento, por ejemplo si el movimiento es en zig-zag puedes usar una distancia mayor como en 00:02:273 (2,3,4) - , pero si el movimiento es recto puedes usar menos distancia como hicistes en 00:03:473 (6,7,1) -, hay un sonido de vocal mas que te esta confundiendo en varios patrones: 00:03:473 - 00:06:673 - 00:09:873 - 00:13:073 -, porque digo que te estan confundiendo, si comparas el vocal que hay en 00:09:873 - y el vocal de 00:05:073 - son muy parecidos pero como ya sabes uno es vocal solo y el otro es vocal acompañado de un instrumento fuerte, a pesar de eso a los dos les pusiste hdash, las cosas que debes de fixear en este caso serian los siguientes:

No entiendo porque 00:03:273 (5,6) - tiene mas distancia que 00:02:473 (3,4) -, se siente demasiado raro al jugarlo y es porque si comparas "sonidos" en si (no solo vocal, no solo instrumental), el sonido que esta en 00:02:673 - es mas fuerte que 00:03:473 -. Por lo que te recomiendo mover 00:01:873 (1,2,3) - hacia x:488 y 00:03:273 (5) - hacia x:192
00:04:073 (7,1,2) - este es otro patron que no cuadra, porque 00:04:273 (1,2) - tiene mas distancia cuando el sonido mas fuerte esta en 00:04:273 -? Yo te recomiendo mover 00:04:073 (7,1) - hacia x:136, 00:04:873 (2) - hacia x:160 y 00:05:073 (3) - hacia x:424
00:05:873 (1,2) - porque tanta distancia si no hay ningun sonido fuerte? no tiene sentido, porque mejor no agregas mas distancia entre 00:05:673 (4,1) -, muy a aparte de agregar distancia tambien seria bueno que le pongas una curva a 00:05:873 (1) - para que arregles el problema del espaciado entre 00:05:873 (1,2) -, y pues no se si me habras hecho caso en los puntos previos, pero seria bueno si mantienes las distancias parecidas a 00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) -
00:06:673 (3,1) - porque apilarlo teniendo tanto espacio hacia el otro lado? ademas de que te estas comiendo una nota en 00:07:273 -
00:08:873 (6,1) - una vez mas me parece injusto que estos objetos tengan menos distancia que 00:09:073 (1,2) - cuando el sonido de bateria que te mencione en la introduccion esta en 00:09:073 - y por consistencia con tus patrones anteriores deberias de ponerle mas distancia
00:09:473 (2,3) - si ya aplicaste el punto del consejo "1" donde te pedi que agregaras un hyperdash entre 00:08:073 (4,5) -, no crees que ya tienes demasiados hyperdashes en un intro de platter? muy aparte de que no tiene sentido, ya que hay sonidos incluso mas fuertes que este y no tienen un salto tan largo.
00:10:673 (1,2,3,4,1) - de lejos el mejor patron de todo el mapa, te va exigiendo poco a poco a atrapar con la esquina del plato y eso lo hace muy divertido, lo unico que si me gustaria es que agregues mas distancia entre 00:12:073 (2,3) - por esa bateria que te mencione antes en el intro, ya lo probe y si queda genial, noc como esten quedando las nuevas posiciones de las notas pero te aconsejaria que movieras 00:12:273 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - todo un poco mas hacia la izquierda, trata de que la distancia previa de todos esos objetos sea de entre 2.00x hasta 2.40x como ya te habia mencionado en el intro.

3.- Como ya te mencione, estoy conforme con tu estructura mas no a la forma que le has dado a tus objetos, obviamente cada mapper tiene su estilo y se preocupa mas por el movimiento en si que por como se vea el patron, para este caso solo te quiero sugerir una cosa:

00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) - por si ya te habras dado cuenta, este movimiento es repetitivo y de muy poca calidad, yo te recomiendo lo siguiente: 00:01:873 (1,2,3,4) - aprieta Ctrl+H y luego hasle una curva perfecta a 00:02:673 (4) -, trata de que sea una curva muy jorobada y que la cabeza y la cola del slider coincidan en el mismo axis (x), luego de eso creo que ya en los puntos anteriores te he mencionado cual es la distancia aproximada entre 00:02:673 (4,5,6) -.

00:21:073 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - agregales una curva decente, parece que los hubieras hecho sin ganas, incluso 00:21:273 (2,3,4) - parece un apilado.
00:27:473 - ahi hay un sonido muy fuerte que muy bien pudo haber tenido hyperdash, para estos casos muchas veces se puede obviar el sonido que hay en 00:27:373 - y cortar el stream en 00:27:273 - para poder agregar el hyperdash ya que solo hyperdashes en 1/2 estan permitidos en una platter, Ademas por consistencia a los sonidos que estan en 00:05:073 - 00:08:273 - 00:11:473 -
00:34:473 (3,4) - demasiado juntos, parecen apilados, separalos al menos un poco mas.

Desde 00:40:273 - hasta 00:52:273 - es probablemente la parte mas calmada del mapa, y al ver la estructura junto con los jumps, hay algo que no cuadra, y es que no estas enfatizando los golpes de bateria ni siguiendo los ecos instrumentales, incluso hay inconsistencias que son muy notorias y que deberias echarle un ojo. Solo te hablare de estructura en esta parte ya que es el problema principal, pero a la hora que remapees, quiero que consideres ponerle 1.50x a tus distancias normales como hiciste en 00:41:473 (5,6,7) - y a los golpes fuertes de bateria enfatizarlo con 2.30x como lo hiciste en 00:43:873 (2,3) -

00:40:273 (2) - quiero empezar con este porque al escuchar el instumental me doy cuenta de que el instrumento tiene un eco, ademas de que la transicion deberia ser mas calmada ya que entras a una parte lenta, y es ahi donde me fijo en tu siguiente nota que vendria a ser 00:40:673 (3) -, es realmente necesario agregar una distancia asi donde no hay ni sonido fuerte en 00:40:673 -, ni intensidad en la cancion como para agregar tansiquiera un jump? mi consejo seria el siguiente: que 00:40:273 (2,3) - se vuelvan un solo slider para seguir mejor el instrumental.
00:40:873 (4,5) - detras de el consejo anterior, habia una segunda intencion, ya que queria que mejoraras esta parte tambien, es por eso que quiero que testees atentamente tu patron en 00:43:873 (2,3) - y luego testees los objectos que te seleccione al principio. Obviamente el que suena / se ve / se juega mejor es 00:43:873 (2,3) - y de lejos, porque no enfatizaste el sonido de bateria en 00:41:073 -? puede que la estructura sea repetitiva pero tienes que seguir el mismo ritmo para mentener una buena consistencia, el consejo es que elimines 00:40:873 (4) - y pongas una nota, luego puedes retroceder 00:41:473 (5) - hasta 00:41:073 - y sacarle un reverse.
00:42:273 (6,7,1) - aca si debes guardar la misma estructura que 00:43:873 (2,3) - y con eso quedaria hermoso, derrepente puedes hacerle un espejismo, eliminar 00:42:273 (6,7,1) - y luego copiar 00:43:873 (2,3) - y pegarlo en 00:42:273 -, luego de eso aprietale Ctrl+H, para tener un buen patron solido y consistente, te recomiendo que a ese patron que le pusistes Ctrl+H lo lleves todo lo que puedas hasta la izquierda ( mas o menos hasta x:220 ), y el otro hacia la derecha ( mas o menos hasta x:290 ), de tal modo que la distancia de 00:43:873 (8) - con la nota previa sea alrededor de 1.16x.
00:46:473 (2,3) - para mantener consistencia con los sonidos, me sorprende el porque de no agregar hyperdash ahi, cuando tienes un sonido muy fuerte en 00:46:673 -, similar o el mismo a 00:40:273 -, y si te das cuenta ahi si agregaste hyperdash.
00:46:673 (3,4,5) - bueno esta historia es la misma que te mencione hace un rato, espero que guardes consistencia aqui tambien, lo dejo en tus manos.
00:48:673 (2,3,1) - esto tmb, tratalo de hacer como 00:43:873 (2,3) -, ya depende de ti.
00:51:373 (8) - te recomiendo enormemente que elimines esa nota, primero que nada, no hay sonido ahi, segundo que por ponerla estas evitando el hyperdash que deberia ir entre 00:51:273 (7,1) -.

00:58:873 (2,3) - manten una distancia alrededor o igual a la distancia entre 00:58:073 (4,5) - para tener un mejor balance.
00:59:373 (4) - eliminala y ponle un hyperdash entre 00:59:073 (3,1) - para que guardes consistencia con tus hyperdashes previos.
01:05:673 (3,1) - porque hyperdash ahi? deberia ser entre 01:05:873 (1,2) -, 01:06:273 - este sonido ya es tipico de hyperdash en tu diff, manten esa consistencia.
01:11:473 (3,4,5,6) - cuando hagas este tipo de patron trata de que tenga sentido, recuerdo haberte elogiado por lo que hiciste en 00:10:673 (1,2,3,4) - pero aqui me decepcionaste.
01:18:573 (7) - una vez mas te quiero mencionar algo acerca de los streams en platter, no solo en ctb si no en las diffs hard de std tambien, a veces hay que recortar el stream para poder agregar un salto y seguir al golpe mas fuerte, es muy raro que tengas un golpe de platillo sin enfatizar, eso se nota a simple test, por eso elimina esta nota y agregale un hyper entre 01:18:473 (6,1) -.
01:29:873 (4) - elimina esa nota ya que no hay sonido, y recuerda lo que te dije en el principio del mod acerca del spin.
01:32:873 (5,6,1) - es inicio de kiai, la parte con mayor intencidad y no vas a agregarle hyper dash? ya sabes lo que tienes que hacer con 01:32:973 (6) -

El kiai hasta cierto punto me gusta pero hay otra cosa que me causa dudas, si comparas la densidad de notas de la rain de JBHyperion con tu platter, te daras cuenta de que la brecha es inmensa, ya que mientras el usa puro stream tu solo usas sliders en 1/2, mi consejo seria aumentar la cantidad de objetos, por ejemplo que te parece cambiar 01:34:673 (1) - 01:36:273 (5) - a streams, guarda la diff, crea otra nueva con los mismos objetos y intenta apretarle Ctrl+Shift+F a los slider que te dije, suenan bien y tendras un mejor balance creeme, pero ahi no acabaria, 01:37:873 (3,4,5) - eso tmb deberia ser stream, 01:41:073 (3) - deberia ser stream y agregar una nota en 01:41:373 - y por ultimo 01:42:673 (1) - tmb deberia ser stream, lo dejo a tu criterio, como te aconsejo, crea otra dificultad con las mismas notas y aplicalo, si te gusta y al compararlo con la rain tiene un mejor balance pues te lo queda, pero si no te gusta pues simplemente borras la diff nueva y te quedas con tu patron actual.

01:47:073 (1,2,3,4,5) - porque tan diferente si escucho lo mismo que 01:45:873 (1) -, 01:47:073 (1) - borralo y agrega una nota en 01:47:073 -, luego ya sabes que seria mejor si usas 01:45:873 (1) - para tener una mejor consistencia.

Espero que se me entienda, si te hice el mod tan largo fue porque quise aprovechar que los dos hablamos el mismo idioma y se me entienda mejor, ademas no me gustaria que vuelvas a cometer los mismos errores en otros mapas, para mi hubiera sido facil decirte, acorta la distancia aqui, aca usa hyperdash, aca no, etc, pero no sabrias el porque, solo trato de ayudar y espero no me lo tomes a mal, Mucha suerte.

HYPERION'S REDEMPTION

why 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - is not mirroring to 00:01:873 (1,2) -? take a look at 00:08:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - as a reference, the current transition between 00:02:473 (2,3) - is too straigh and doesn't feel the movement with the song propertly, I suggest you to press Ctrl+H at 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - and move to x:396 to keep your same distance.
00:16:973 (3) - isn't necessary, I can't find a prominent sound here, now if you want to keep such note I recommend you to move around x:224 cause the distance between 00:16:673 (2,3) - is too long and looks unsightly.
Depends of what do you think about my previous suggestion, I want to point out the following pattern: 00:14:673 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe you are asking you what's wrong if you're following the music really well with a nice structure, that's true but the relation between each slider feels random tbh, except for 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, and taking this as an example I want to give you 2 options to inprove this part:
1.- The first one as I said comes with my example in 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, you can separate sliders in couples and add hyperdashes between they, for example: 00:15:073 (2,3) - 00:15:873 (4,1) - need a hyperdash in between, there is a different sound at 00:20:273 - that deserve hyperdash too, so you could remove the current hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -, furthermore it would be better if you remove 00:16:973 (3) - but keeping the hyperdash between 00:16:673 (2,4) - to keep a better consistency
2.- The second one comes to my mind after remove 00:16:973 (3) - too, I'd prefer a smoother transition from a restful rhythm to a stronger rhythm, that's why I suggest you to separate 4 sliders then hyperdash (twice), then to increase the challenge two sliders and hayperdash (twice), let's try with your patterns: 00:15:873 (4,1) - add hyperdash, 00:16:973 (3) - remove the note and the hyperdash, same as the first suggestion I strongly recommend you to remove the hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -.
00:43:973 (2) - it's necessary at all, remove it, I didn't say that there isn't a sound, but if you didn't follow previously at 00:42:373 - and 00:42:573 -, there reason is consistency.
from 01:19:473 - to 01:20:273 - is 1/3 right? why you stopped at 01:19:873 -? I strongly recommend you to move 01:20:073 (5) - to 01:20:006 - and then add a note at 01:20:139 -, the current one sounds and looks weird.

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-10-15T23:10:02+00:00

-Sh1n1- wrote:
HYPERION'S REDEMPTION
why 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - is not mirroring to 00:01:873 (1,2) -? take a look at 00:08:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - as a reference, the current transition between 00:02:473 (2,3) - is too straigh and doesn't feel the movement with the song propertly, I suggest you to press Ctrl+H at 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - and move to x:396 to keep your same distance. (3) requires normal flow as the vocal sound is strong but not sharp, I don't feel antiflow fits well here, especially since it's the start of the map. Secondly, (4,5) is mapped differently to highlight the vocal sound on (4) and scratch sound on (5)
00:16:973 (3) - isn't necessary, I can't find a prominent sound here, now if you want to keep such note I recommend you to move around x:224 cause the distance between 00:16:673 (2,3) - is too long and looks unsightly. Keeping for the 1/4 cymbal sound which is more prominent here than other places, and to break up the monotony of 1/2 sliders. I did reduce the spacing by moving (3) to x-232 to be consistent with other similar spacings however
Depends of what do you think about my previous suggestion, I want to point out the following pattern: 00:14:673 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe you are asking you what's wrong if you're following the music really well with a nice structure, that's true but the relation between each slider feels random tbh, except for 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, and taking this as an example I want to give you 2 options to inprove this part:
1.- The first one as I said comes with my example in 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, you can separate sliders in couples and add hyperdashes between they, for example: 00:15:073 (2,3) - 00:15:873 (4,1) - need a hyperdash in between, there is a different sound at 00:20:273 - that deserve hyperdash too, so you could remove the current hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -, furthermore it would be better if you remove 00:16:973 (3) - but keeping the hyperdash between 00:16:673 (2,4) - to keep a better consistency
2.- The second one comes to my mind after remove 00:16:973 (3) - too, I'd prefer a smoother transition from a restful rhythm to a stronger rhythm, that's why I suggest you to separate 4 sliders then hyperdash (twice), then to increase the challenge two sliders and hayperdash (twice), let's try with your patterns: 00:15:873 (4,1) - add hyperdash, 00:16:973 (3) - remove the note and the hyperdash, same as the first suggestion I strongly recommend you to remove the hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -.

Added hdashes to 00:15:073 (2,3) - 00:15:873 (4,1) - for the strong vocal, removed the hdash between 00:16:973 (3,4) - since the vocal is soft here, emphasis should be more fitting now
00:43:973 (2) - it's necessary at all, remove it, I didn't say that there isn't a sound, but if you didn't follow previously at 00:42:373 - and 00:42:573 -, there reason is consistency. No circle was added at those two places because there isn't a sound there. The cymbal sound on 00:43:973 (2) - is clearly audible however, so I mapped it here
from 01:19:473 - to 01:20:273 - is 1/3 right? why you stopped at 01:19:873 -? I strongly recommend you to move 01:20:073 (5) - to 01:20:006 - and then add a note at 01:20:139 -, the current one sounds and looks weird. I prefer the switch to 1/2 to hit the heavy kick drum sound on the red tick at 01:20:073 (5) - I mapped the scratch in 1/3 at 01:19:473 (3) - because there was no other more prominent sound here to map

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~

Thanks for the suggestions! Also fixed some awkward sliders via self-modding.

Rain

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SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-16T00:54:17+00:00

-Sh1n1- wrote:
SYAHME wrote:
I hope I don't have to create 1 more diff between platter and redemption. Its will take more time to map and mod. Furthermore, I don't like 2 insane diff in my maps.
Let's see if I can do something with my mod - :3

CUP
You are following vocal the most part of the song and it's the main problem of your diff, I'll explain you why. If you take a look from 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 - and then compare with kiai time from 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673 -, the intensity of the melody is the same, but you mapped totally different cause the first one doesn't have vocal, keep consistency at least on the same amount of notes to be consistant. - I will refer to BN or pro-modder regarding this, thanks.
The calmest part of the song is from 00:40:273 - to 00:51:473 -, so 00:49:473 (1) - and 00:50:273 (3) - isn't at all necessary, I strongly recommend you to delete such notes to be consistent with your previous patterns. - I think I want to keep it.
From 00:22:673 - to 00:25:573 - why whistle when you can add better hitsounds as JBH did, also sounds weird and isn't related with the song, same at 01:45:073 - I like whistle, standard maps mostly used this so I think its not that bad.
After that, I really like this diff, good job - Thank you

SALAD
00:01:873 (1,2,3,1,2) - two problems, 00:01:873 (1,3) - boring cause is the same pattern, 00:03:073 (2,3) - 00:04:673 (1,2) - both jumps are from right to left, I won't say to change the whole pattern cause it might cause troubles to you, but at least try to add variety on sliders, I suggest you to remove 00:01:873 (1) - and copy 00:05:073 (2) - with ctrl+c and paste at 00:01:873 - with ctrl+v, finally press ctrl+g to 00:01:873 (1) - Nice, followed as suggested.
00:07:873 (3,4) - add a little bit of more distance. - Change pattern and increased distance.
00:09:073 (1,2,3,1) - why 00:09:873 (2,3) - have more distance than 00:10:673 (3,1) - when the strongest sound is on 00:11:473 - ? but I know that you added more distance at 00:10:673 - cause there is a different sound compared to 00:09:073 - and 00:09:873 -, so to be coherent, I suggest you to move 00:10:673 (3) - to x:368. - Nice, done.
00:21:073 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - quality yeah but looks weird when is too long, I recommend you to add more distance between 00:22:473 (4,1) -, move 00:22:673 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - to x:320 - Sorry, but I like this style and I want the pattern consistent with each other. If I add more distance its still same.
00:28:273 (2,3) - reduce the distance a bit, try to make something like 00:34:673 (3,4,5) - Done
00:33:073 (1,2) - the distance between such objects, shouldn't be around 1.60x - Increased the distance.
00:33:873 (2,3) - same as above but 1.40x? - I think the distance is okay.
00:45:373 (1,2,1) - one more time you have the same problem with patterns on the calmest part of the song, I'm wonder cause you added 1/4 patterns on this part but not on the rest of the song that is supposed to be more intense, Also I want to talk about the gap of notes between platter and salad, you should add more 1/4 tripplets to make a better introduction to the platter diff, for example at 00:07:973 - 00:33:173 - 00:51:173 - 00:58:773 - 01:18:373 - 01:24:773 - 01:24:873 - 01:32:773 - 01:51:973 - All done.
00:53:073 - rather than reverse, add a jump at 00:53:073 - cause strong sound. - Done
00:56:073 - I feel that you are skeeping an important sound here, 00:55:673 (5) - move the tail of such slider to the left, then add a reverse. - Done
00:58:673 (5,1,2) - same distance between such sliders? there is a strong sound at 00:59:473 -, try to add more enphasis. - Done
01:33:073 - Idk if you remenber my previous advice on cup's diff, the current patterns on kiai time are too repetitive, try to make some patterns as u did on 00:27:473 - I actually make the pattern repetitive on purpose, this is my style.
01:49:673 (4) - there isn't a strong sound but there are more distance between 01:49:073 (3,4) - than between 01:49:673 (4,1) -, to fix it I recommend you to add curve on 01:49:073 (3) - Done
01:52:273 - strong sound and u didn't enphasize, add more distance between 01:51:873 (3,1) -, around 2.00x it's fine. - The current pattern didn't allowed me to add more distance.
01:55:473 (1,2,3,4) - don't u want to increase gradually the distance between each object? for example move 01:55:873 (2) - to x:304 and 01:56:673 (4) - to x:336 - I changed in my own distance.
same as CUP about Hitsounds - Same as cup.

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~

Thanks for the mod.

Last edited by SYAHME 2016-10-19T12:21:58+00:00, edited 8 times in total.

SYAHME

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Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-16T03:30:39+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:

-Sh1n1- wrote:
HYPERION'S REDEMPTION
why 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - is not mirroring to 00:01:873 (1,2) -? take a look at 00:08:273 (1,2,3,4,5) - as a reference, the current transition between 00:02:473 (2,3) - is too straigh and doesn't feel the movement with the song propertly, I suggest you to press Ctrl+H at 00:02:673 (3,4,5) - and move to x:396 to keep your same distance. (3) requires normal flow as the vocal sound is strong but not sharp, I don't feel antiflow fits well here, especially since it's the start of the map. Secondly, (4,5) is mapped differently to highlight the vocal sound on (4) and scratch sound on (5)
00:16:973 (3) - isn't necessary, I can't find a prominent sound here, now if you want to keep such note I recommend you to move around x:224 cause the distance between 00:16:673 (2,3) - is too long and looks unsightly. Keeping for the 1/4 cymbal sound which is more prominent here than other places, and to break up the monotony of 1/2 sliders. I did reduce the spacing by moving (3) to x-232 to be consistent with other similar spacings however
Depends of what do you think about my previous suggestion, I want to point out the following pattern: 00:14:673 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - maybe you are asking you what's wrong if you're following the music really well with a nice structure, that's true but the relation between each slider feels random tbh, except for 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, and taking this as an example I want to give you 2 options to inprove this part:
1.- The first one as I said comes with my example in 00:17:873 (1,2,3,4) -, you can separate sliders in couples and add hyperdashes between they, for example: 00:15:073 (2,3) - 00:15:873 (4,1) - need a hyperdash in between, there is a different sound at 00:20:273 - that deserve hyperdash too, so you could remove the current hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -, furthermore it would be better if you remove 00:16:973 (3) - but keeping the hyperdash between 00:16:673 (2,4) - to keep a better consistency
2.- The second one comes to my mind after remove 00:16:973 (3) - too, I'd prefer a smoother transition from a restful rhythm to a stronger rhythm, that's why I suggest you to separate 4 sliders then hyperdash (twice), then to increase the challenge two sliders and hayperdash (twice), let's try with your patterns: 00:15:873 (4,1) - add hyperdash, 00:16:973 (3) - remove the note and the hyperdash, same as the first suggestion I strongly recommend you to remove the hyperdash between 00:19:473 (1,2) - and add between 00:19:873 (2,3) -.

Added hdashes to 00:15:073 (2,3) - 00:15:873 (4,1) - for the strong vocal, removed the hdash between 00:16:973 (3,4) - since the vocal is soft here, emphasis should be more fitting now
00:43:973 (2) - it's necessary at all, remove it, I didn't say that there isn't a sound, but if you didn't follow previously at 00:42:373 - and 00:42:573 -, there reason is consistency. No circle was added at those two places because there isn't a sound there. The cymbal sound on 00:43:973 (2) - is clearly audible however, so I mapped it here
from 01:19:473 - to 01:20:273 - is 1/3 right? why you stopped at 01:19:873 -? I strongly recommend you to move 01:20:073 (5) - to 01:20:006 - and then add a note at 01:20:139 -, the current one sounds and looks weird. I prefer the switch to 1/2 to hit the heavy kick drum sound on the red tick at 01:20:073 (5) - I mapped the scratch in 1/3 at 01:19:473 (3) - because there was no other more prominent sound here to map

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~

Thanks for the suggestions! Also fixed some awkward sliders via self-modding.

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Kurokami

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Kurokami 2016-10-17T13:47:18+00:00

Thats a huge amount.

SYAHME

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Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-17T14:49:56+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
Thats a huge amount.

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JBHyperion

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JBHyperion 2016-10-17T15:01:57+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
Thats a huge amount.

textwalls are fun yo /o/

Cowboy

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Joined November 2011

Cowboy 2016-10-18T02:59:30+00:00

Let's see if I can do something with my mod

JUSEN'S PLATTER

Ok primero que nada te quiero hablar de los spinners, yo mismo soy el que muchas veces dice que cada mapper es diferente y que no es necesario mantener un patron general cuando tienes muchas GD pero el spin que usas al comienzo ( 00:00:673 (1) - ) es muy corto para serte sincero, al ser muy corto tienes que buscar otro sonido que sea prominente, y es ahi donde tienes que seguir la vocal asi que el segundo motivo para que lo borres es que si te fijas en todas las demas diffs tu eres el unico que sigue instrumental, ya que las otras dificultades siguen la vocal al inicio, eso te dejara sin spinners pero tu como player sabes que un mapa de ctb sin Spinner no es muy divertido, asi que una vez mas quiero que mires en la diff JBH y uses el spin que el pone en 01:29:973 -, el break es demasiado largo y ya que tu diff es una instroduccion a una Rain necesitas aprovechar todos los sonidos al maximo para no dejar muchos vacios que se asemejen a una diff salad o cup, asi que de paso, mejoraras el spread del set. Bien, fue sustituido por un slider para dar una enfatización a la siguiente nota.

No se si recordaras que una vez te hable de tres tipos de distancias, la distancia normal que va entre cada nota, la enfatizadora que son jumps sin hdash y los hyperdashes en si, te hago recordar esto porque al mirar tu intro me encuentro con demasiadas inconsistencias que tienes que fixear (ahora entiendo porque MB no quiere dar icono), primero quiero que reconozcas la cancion y que detectes que sonidos deben guardar consistencia entre si para poder saber donde usar bien tus hdashes, segundo pues creo que no es tu estilo usar siempre las mismas distancias, si no que te gusta variar para enfatizar mejor los sonidos, para esos casos no te dare distancias exactas si no aproximados, tercero seria tu estructura, pero la actual no me molesta para nada, como modder, interpreto tu estructura de forma ascendente, es decir primero empiezas con sliders largos de 1/1 y luego los vas separando en sliders de 1/2, y eso esta bien al menos en el intro. Sí, recuerdo lo de las distancias, pero era una de mis primeras "Platters" aún no me familiarizaba con las distancias, tomaré en cuenta todo esto para futuros mapsets.

1.- Empezemos de mayor a menor hablando del reconocimiento de tu cancion, tu intro esta separado en dos secciones, el punto intermedio es 00:08:273 - (si quieres puedes agregar bookmarks), de esas dos secciones la primera tambien esta separada en otras dos secciones y su punto intermedio es 00:05:073 -, el punto intermedio de la segunda seria en 00:11:473 -, si escuchas detenidamente todos los puntos que he cogido, te daras cuenta de que son sonidos muy fuertes (todos perfectos para usar hyperdashes), lo que tendrias que encontrar aqui es lo siguiente:

Actualmente solo te faltaria agregar un hyperdash en el medio de 00:08:073 (4,5) -. HDash agregado.

No entiendo porque 00:03:273 (5,6) - tiene mas distancia que 00:02:473 (3,4) -, se siente demasiado raro al jugarlo y es porque si comparas "sonidos" en si (no solo vocal, no solo instrumental), el sonido que esta en 00:02:673 - es mas fuerte que 00:03:473 -. Por lo que te recomiendo mover 00:01:873 (1,2,3) - hacia x:488 y 00:03:273 (5) - hacia x:192 Hecho acorde a tus sugerencias.
00:04:073 (7,1,2) - este es otro patron que no cuadra, porque 00:04:273 (1,2) - tiene mas distancia cuando el sonido mas fuerte esta en 00:04:273 -? Yo te recomiendo mover 00:04:073 (7,1) - hacia x:136, 00:04:873 (2) - hacia x:160 y 00:05:073 (3) - hacia x:424 Hecho, se ve bastante bien.
00:05:873 (1,2) - porque tanta distancia si no hay ningun sonido fuerte? no tiene sentido, porque mejor no agregas mas distancia entre 00:05:673 (4,1) -, muy a aparte de agregar distancia tambien seria bueno que le pongas una curva a 00:05:873 (1) - para que arregles el problema del espaciado entre 00:05:873 (1,2) -, y pues no se si me habras hecho caso en los puntos previos, pero seria bueno si mantienes las distancias parecidas a 00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) Distancias agregadas, fueron algo similares pero lucen bastante bien.-
00:06:673 (3,1) - porque apilarlo teniendo tanto espacio hacia el otro lado? ademas de que te estas comiendo una nota en 00:07:273 - El patrón tenía forma de curva solo esas 2 notas hacía que fuese apilado, lo hice de nuevo y quedó mucho mejor.
00:08:873 (6,1) - una vez mas me parece injusto que estos objetos tengan menos distancia que 00:09:073 (1,2) - cuando el sonido de bateria que te mencione en la introduccion esta en 00:09:073 - y por consistencia con tus patrones anteriores deberias de ponerle mas distancia Más distancia en camino.
00:09:473 (2,3) - si ya aplicaste el punto del consejo "1" donde te pedi que agregaras un hyperdash entre 00:08:073 (4,5) -, no crees que ya tienes demasiados hyperdashes en un intro de platter? muy aparte de que no tiene sentido, ya que hay sonidos incluso mas fuertes que este y no tienen un salto tan largo. Bien, solo son 3 HDashes al inicio contando éste serían 4 y podría agregar otro más para que tenga una semejanza con el 4to HDash, el 5 lo agregué 00:12:673 (4,1) - aquí.
00:10:673 (1,2,3,4,1) - de lejos el mejor patron de todo el mapa, te va exigiendo poco a poco a atrapar con la esquina del plato y eso lo hace muy divertido, lo unico que si me gustaria es que agregues mas distancia entre 00:12:073 (2,3) - por esa bateria que te mencione antes en el intro, ya lo probe y si queda genial, noc como esten quedando las nuevas posiciones de las notas pero te aconsejaria que movieras 00:12:273 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - todo un poco mas hacia la izquierda, trata de que la distancia previa de todos esos objetos sea de entre 2.00x hasta 2.40x como ya te habia mencionado en el intro. Bien no tengo problema alguno con ésta sección es muy buena, solo hice algunos ajustes en las distancias.

00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) - por si ya te habras dado cuenta, este movimiento es repetitivo y de muy poca calidad, yo te recomiendo lo siguiente: 00:01:873 (1,2,3,4) - aprieta Ctrl+H y luego hasle una curva perfecta a 00:02:673 (4) -, trata de que sea una curva muy jorobada y que la cabeza y la cola del slider coincidan en el mismo axis (x), luego de eso creo que ya en los puntos anteriores te he mencionado cual es la distancia aproximada entre 00:02:673 (4,5,6) -. Hecho acorde a tus sugerencias.

00:21:073 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - agregales una curva decente, parece que los hubieras hecho sin ganas, incluso 00:21:273 (2,3,4) - parece un apilado. No tengo tanto problema con esto, pero bueno para evitarlos lo hice de nuevo, quedó mucho mejor.
00:27:473 - ahi hay un sonido muy fuerte que muy bien pudo haber tenido hyperdash, para estos casos muchas veces se puede obviar el sonido que hay en 00:27:373 - y cortar el stream en 00:27:273 - para poder agregar el hyperdash ya que solo hyperdashes en 1/2 estan permitidos en una platter, Ademas por consistencia a los sonidos que estan en 00:05:073 - 00:08:273 - 00:11:473 - ME gustaría agregar un HDash en esa sección, encajaría bastante bien, pero a mí gusto quiero tener un poco más de variedad, ya tengo 5 HDashes en el inicio, agregar otro provocaría un desbalance, prefiero dejar el stream.
00:34:473 (3,4) - demasiado juntos, parecen apilados, separalos al menos un poco mas. Distancia agregada.

00:40:273 (2) - quiero empezar con este porque al escuchar el instumental me doy cuenta de que el instrumento tiene un eco, ademas de que la transicion deberia ser mas calmada ya que entras a una parte lenta, y es ahi donde me fijo en tu siguiente nota que vendria a ser 00:40:673 (3) -, es realmente necesario agregar una distancia asi donde no hay ni sonido fuerte en 00:40:673 -, ni intensidad en la cancion como para agregar tansiquiera un jump? mi consejo seria el siguiente: que 00:40:273 (2,3) - se vuelvan un solo slider para seguir mejor el instrumental. Fue fixeado con las sugerencias que mencionaste ^.
00:40:873 (4,5) - detras de el consejo anterior, habia una segunda intencion, ya que queria que mejoraras esta parte tambien, es por eso que quiero que testees atentamente tu patron en 00:43:873 (2,3) - y luego testees los objectos que te seleccione al principio. Obviamente el que suena / se ve / se juega mejor es 00:43:873 (2,3) - y de lejos, porque no enfatizaste el sonido de bateria en 00:41:073 -? puede que la estructura sea repetitiva pero tienes que seguir el mismo ritmo para mentener una buena consistencia, el consejo es que elimines 00:40:873 (4) - y pongas una nota, luego puedes retroceder 00:41:473 (5) - hasta 00:41:073 - y sacarle un reverse. Hice algo similar a ésto.
00:42:273 (6,7,1) - aca si debes guardar la misma estructura que 00:43:873 (2,3) - y con eso quedaria hermoso, derrepente puedes hacerle un espejismo, eliminar 00:42:273 (6,7,1) - y luego copiar 00:43:873 (2,3) - y pegarlo en 00:42:273 -, luego de eso aprietale Ctrl+H, para tener un buen patron solido y consistente, te recomiendo que a ese patron que le pusistes Ctrl+H lo lleves todo lo que puedas hasta la izquierda ( mas o menos hasta x:220 ), y el otro hacia la derecha ( mas o menos hasta x:290 ), de tal modo que la distancia de 00:43:873 (8) - con la nota previa sea alrededor de 1.16x. Fue arreglado con las sugerencias previas al "mod".
00:46:473 (2,3) - para mantener consistencia con los sonidos, me sorprende el porque de no agregar hyperdash ahi, cuando tienes un sonido muy fuerte en 00:46:673 -, similar o el mismo a 00:40:273 -, y si te das cuenta ahi si agregaste hyperdash. Me gustaría añadir un HDash, pero siendo una zona "calmada" prefiero dejarlo como Dash.
00:46:673 (3,4,5) - bueno esta historia es la misma que te mencione hace un rato, espero que guardes consistencia aqui tambien, lo dejo en tus manos. Hecho.
00:48:673 (2,3,1) - esto tmb, tratalo de hacer como 00:43:873 (2,3) -, ya depende de ti. Hice algo similar.
00:51:373 (8) - te recomiendo enormemente que elimines esa nota, primero que nada, no hay sonido ahi, segundo que por ponerla estas evitando el hyperdash que deberia ir entre 00:51:273 (7,1) -. Eliminé la nota 8 para hacer el HDash como enfatización para la nueva estrofa.

00:58:873 (2,3) - manten una distancia alrededor o igual a la distancia entre 00:58:073 (4,5) - para tener un mejor balance. Hecho.
00:59:373 (4) - eliminala y ponle un hyperdash entre 00:59:073 (3,1) - para que guardes consistencia con tus hyperdashes previos. Hecho.
01:05:673 (3,1) - porque hyperdash ahi? deberia ser entre 01:05:873 (1,2) -, 01:06:273 - este sonido ya es tipico de hyperdash en tu diff, manten esa consistencia. Estuve probando y me gustaría que los 2 fuesen dashes, siento que enfatizan mejor pese a la consistencia con ese sonido.
01:11:473 (3,4,5,6) - cuando hagas este tipo de patron trata de que tenga sentido, recuerdo haberte elogiado por lo que hiciste en 00:10:673 (1,2,3,4) - pero aqui me decepcionaste. Lo haré de nuevo.
01:18:573 (7) - una vez mas te quiero mencionar algo acerca de los streams en platter, no solo en ctb si no en las diffs hard de std tambien, a veces hay que recortar el stream para poder agregar un salto y seguir al golpe mas fuerte, es muy raro que tengas un golpe de platillo sin enfatizar, eso se nota a simple test, por eso elimina esta nota y agregale un hyper entre 01:18:473 (6,1) -. HDash agregado.
01:29:873 (4) - elimina esa nota ya que no hay sonido, y recuerda lo que te dije en el principio del mod acerca del spin. Hecho.
01:32:873 (5,6,1) - es inicio de kiai, la parte con mayor intencidad y no vas a agregarle hyper dash? ya sabes lo que tienes que hacer con 01:32:973 (6) -Hecho~

01:47:073 (1,2,3,4,5) - porque tan diferente si escucho lo mismo que 01:45:873 (1) -, 01:47:073 (1) - borralo y agrega una nota en 01:47:073 -, luego ya sabes que seria mejor si usas 01:45:873 (1) - para tener una mejor consistencia. No entendí muy bien ésta parte pero espero haberla hecho al pie de la letra.

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~

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Creator:SYAHME
Version:JUSEN'S PLATTER
Source:beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA
Tags:masayoshi minoshima alstroemeria records electrance MAP DX-5 Qprogue Jusenkyo JBHyperion
BeatmapID:1013297
BeatmapSetID:469487

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.8
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"Bg.jpg",0,0
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

[TimingPoints]
1873,400,4,2,1,50,1,0
27473,-100,4,2,1,50,0,0
93073,-100,4,2,1,50,0,1
118673,-100,4,2,1,20,0,0


[Colours]
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Combo2 : 255,128,128
Combo3 : 60,157,255
Combo4 : 3,252,134

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SYAHME

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SYAHME 2016-10-18T04:51:04+00:00

Jusenkyo wrote:
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Let's see if I can do something with my mod

JUSEN'S PLATTER
Ok primero que nada te quiero hablar de los spinners, yo mismo soy el que muchas veces dice que cada mapper es diferente y que no es necesario mantener un patron general cuando tienes muchas GD pero el spin que usas al comienzo ( 00:00:673 (1) - ) es muy corto para serte sincero, al ser muy corto tienes que buscar otro sonido que sea prominente, y es ahi donde tienes que seguir la vocal asi que el segundo motivo para que lo borres es que si te fijas en todas las demas diffs tu eres el unico que sigue instrumental, ya que las otras dificultades siguen la vocal al inicio, eso te dejara sin spinners pero tu como player sabes que un mapa de ctb sin Spinner no es muy divertido, asi que una vez mas quiero que mires en la diff JBH y uses el spin que el pone en 01:29:973 -, el break es demasiado largo y ya que tu diff es una instroduccion a una Rain necesitas aprovechar todos los sonidos al maximo para no dejar muchos vacios que se asemejen a una diff salad o cup, asi que de paso, mejoraras el spread del set. Bien, fue sustituido por un slider para dar una enfatización a la siguiente nota.
No se si recordaras que una vez te hable de tres tipos de distancias, la distancia normal que va entre cada nota, la enfatizadora que son jumps sin hdash y los hyperdashes en si, te hago recordar esto porque al mirar tu intro me encuentro con demasiadas inconsistencias que tienes que fixear (ahora entiendo porque MB no quiere dar icono), primero quiero que reconozcas la cancion y que detectes que sonidos deben guardar consistencia entre si para poder saber donde usar bien tus hdashes, segundo pues creo que no es tu estilo usar siempre las mismas distancias, si no que te gusta variar para enfatizar mejor los sonidos, para esos casos no te dare distancias exactas si no aproximados, tercero seria tu estructura, pero la actual no me molesta para nada, como modder, interpreto tu estructura de forma ascendente, es decir primero empiezas con sliders largos de 1/1 y luego los vas separando en sliders de 1/2, y eso esta bien al menos en el intro. Sí, recuerdo lo de las distancias, pero era una de mis primeras "Platters" aún no me familiarizaba con las distancias, tomaré en cuenta todo esto para futuros mapsets.

1.- Empezemos de mayor a menor hablando del reconocimiento de tu cancion, tu intro esta separado en dos secciones, el punto intermedio es 00:08:273 - (si quieres puedes agregar bookmarks), de esas dos secciones la primera tambien esta separada en otras dos secciones y su punto intermedio es 00:05:073 -, el punto intermedio de la segunda seria en 00:11:473 -, si escuchas detenidamente todos los puntos que he cogido, te daras cuenta de que son sonidos muy fuertes (todos perfectos para usar hyperdashes), lo que tendrias que encontrar aqui es lo siguiente:

Actualmente solo te faltaria agregar un hyperdash en el medio de 00:08:073 (4,5) -. HDash agregado.
2.- Luego de haber detectado los sonidos fuertes de manera satisfactoria, quiero que te enfoques en tus distancias ahora, y para eso vas a tener que detectar un nuevo sonido: 00:02:673 - 00:05:873 - 00:09:073 - 00:12:273 - son sonidos de bateria levemente fuertes verdad? se ve mejor si les pones una distancia de entre 2.00x hasta 2.40x, puedes jugar entre esas distancia segun el tipo de movimiento, por ejemplo si el movimiento es en zig-zag puedes usar una distancia mayor como en 00:02:273 (2,3,4) - , pero si el movimiento es recto puedes usar menos distancia como hicistes en 00:03:473 (6,7,1) -, hay un sonido de vocal mas que te esta confundiendo en varios patrones: 00:03:473 - 00:06:673 - 00:09:873 - 00:13:073 -, porque digo que te estan confundiendo, si comparas el vocal que hay en 00:09:873 - y el vocal de 00:05:073 - son muy parecidos pero como ya sabes uno es vocal solo y el otro es vocal acompañado de un instrumento fuerte, a pesar de eso a los dos les pusiste hdash, las cosas que debes de fixear en este caso serian los siguientes:

No entiendo porque 00:03:273 (5,6) - tiene mas distancia que 00:02:473 (3,4) -, se siente demasiado raro al jugarlo y es porque si comparas "sonidos" en si (no solo vocal, no solo instrumental), el sonido que esta en 00:02:673 - es mas fuerte que 00:03:473 -. Por lo que te recomiendo mover 00:01:873 (1,2,3) - hacia x:488 y 00:03:273 (5) - hacia x:192 Hecho acorde a tus sugerencias.
00:04:073 (7,1,2) - este es otro patron que no cuadra, porque 00:04:273 (1,2) - tiene mas distancia cuando el sonido mas fuerte esta en 00:04:273 -? Yo te recomiendo mover 00:04:073 (7,1) - hacia x:136, 00:04:873 (2) - hacia x:160 y 00:05:073 (3) - hacia x:424 Hecho, se ve bastante bien.
00:05:873 (1,2) - porque tanta distancia si no hay ningun sonido fuerte? no tiene sentido, porque mejor no agregas mas distancia entre 00:05:673 (4,1) -, muy a aparte de agregar distancia tambien seria bueno que le pongas una curva a 00:05:873 (1) - para que arregles el problema del espaciado entre 00:05:873 (1,2) -, y pues no se si me habras hecho caso en los puntos previos, pero seria bueno si mantienes las distancias parecidas a 00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) Distancias agregadas, fueron algo similares pero lucen bastante bien.-
00:06:673 (3,1) - porque apilarlo teniendo tanto espacio hacia el otro lado? ademas de que te estas comiendo una nota en 00:07:273 - El patrón tenía forma de curva solo esas 2 notas hacía que fuese apilado, lo hice de nuevo y quedó mucho mejor.
00:08:873 (6,1) - una vez mas me parece injusto que estos objetos tengan menos distancia que 00:09:073 (1,2) - cuando el sonido de bateria que te mencione en la introduccion esta en 00:09:073 - y por consistencia con tus patrones anteriores deberias de ponerle mas distancia Más distancia en camino.
00:09:473 (2,3) - si ya aplicaste el punto del consejo "1" donde te pedi que agregaras un hyperdash entre 00:08:073 (4,5) -, no crees que ya tienes demasiados hyperdashes en un intro de platter? muy aparte de que no tiene sentido, ya que hay sonidos incluso mas fuertes que este y no tienen un salto tan largo. Bien, solo son 3 HDashes al inicio contando éste serían 4 y podría agregar otro más para que tenga una semejanza con el 4to HDash, el 5 lo agregué 00:12:673 (4,1) - aquí.
00:10:673 (1,2,3,4,1) - de lejos el mejor patron de todo el mapa, te va exigiendo poco a poco a atrapar con la esquina del plato y eso lo hace muy divertido, lo unico que si me gustaria es que agregues mas distancia entre 00:12:073 (2,3) - por esa bateria que te mencione antes en el intro, ya lo probe y si queda genial, noc como esten quedando las nuevas posiciones de las notas pero te aconsejaria que movieras 00:12:273 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - todo un poco mas hacia la izquierda, trata de que la distancia previa de todos esos objetos sea de entre 2.00x hasta 2.40x como ya te habia mencionado en el intro. Bien no tengo problema alguno con ésta sección es muy buena, solo hice algunos ajustes en las distancias.
3.- Como ya te mencione, estoy conforme con tu estructura mas no a la forma que le has dado a tus objetos, obviamente cada mapper tiene su estilo y se preocupa mas por el movimiento en si que por como se vea el patron, para este caso solo te quiero sugerir una cosa:

00:02:473 (3,4,5,6) - por si ya te habras dado cuenta, este movimiento es repetitivo y de muy poca calidad, yo te recomiendo lo siguiente: 00:01:873 (1,2,3,4) - aprieta Ctrl+H y luego hasle una curva perfecta a 00:02:673 (4) -, trata de que sea una curva muy jorobada y que la cabeza y la cola del slider coincidan en el mismo axis (x), luego de eso creo que ya en los puntos anteriores te he mencionado cual es la distancia aproximada entre 00:02:673 (4,5,6) -. Hecho acorde a tus sugerencias.
00:21:073 (1,2,3,4) - 00:21:873 (1,2,3,4) - agregales una curva decente, parece que los hubieras hecho sin ganas, incluso 00:21:273 (2,3,4) - parece un apilado. No tengo tanto problema con esto, pero bueno para evitarlos lo hice de nuevo, quedó mucho mejor.
00:27:473 - ahi hay un sonido muy fuerte que muy bien pudo haber tenido hyperdash, para estos casos muchas veces se puede obviar el sonido que hay en 00:27:373 - y cortar el stream en 00:27:273 - para poder agregar el hyperdash ya que solo hyperdashes en 1/2 estan permitidos en una platter, Ademas por consistencia a los sonidos que estan en 00:05:073 - 00:08:273 - 00:11:473 - ME gustaría agregar un HDash en esa sección, encajaría bastante bien, pero a mí gusto quiero tener un poco más de variedad, ya tengo 5 HDashes en el inicio, agregar otro provocaría un desbalance, prefiero dejar el stream.
00:34:473 (3,4) - demasiado juntos, parecen apilados, separalos al menos un poco mas. Distancia agregada.
Desde 00:40:273 - hasta 00:52:273 - es probablemente la parte mas calmada del mapa, y al ver la estructura junto con los jumps, hay algo que no cuadra, y es que no estas enfatizando los golpes de bateria ni siguiendo los ecos instrumentales, incluso hay inconsistencias que son muy notorias y que deberias echarle un ojo. Solo te hablare de estructura en esta parte ya que es el problema principal, pero a la hora que remapees, quiero que consideres ponerle 1.50x a tus distancias normales como hiciste en 00:41:473 (5,6,7) - y a los golpes fuertes de bateria enfatizarlo con 2.30x como lo hiciste en 00:43:873 (2,3) -

00:40:273 (2) - quiero empezar con este porque al escuchar el instumental me doy cuenta de que el instrumento tiene un eco, ademas de que la transicion deberia ser mas calmada ya que entras a una parte lenta, y es ahi donde me fijo en tu siguiente nota que vendria a ser 00:40:673 (3) -, es realmente necesario agregar una distancia asi donde no hay ni sonido fuerte en 00:40:673 -, ni intensidad en la cancion como para agregar tansiquiera un jump? mi consejo seria el siguiente: que 00:40:273 (2,3) - se vuelvan un solo slider para seguir mejor el instrumental. Fue fixeado con las sugerencias que mencionaste ^.
00:40:873 (4,5) - detras de el consejo anterior, habia una segunda intencion, ya que queria que mejoraras esta parte tambien, es por eso que quiero que testees atentamente tu patron en 00:43:873 (2,3) - y luego testees los objectos que te seleccione al principio. Obviamente el que suena / se ve / se juega mejor es 00:43:873 (2,3) - y de lejos, porque no enfatizaste el sonido de bateria en 00:41:073 -? puede que la estructura sea repetitiva pero tienes que seguir el mismo ritmo para mentener una buena consistencia, el consejo es que elimines 00:40:873 (4) - y pongas una nota, luego puedes retroceder 00:41:473 (5) - hasta 00:41:073 - y sacarle un reverse. Hice algo similar a ésto.
00:42:273 (6,7,1) - aca si debes guardar la misma estructura que 00:43:873 (2,3) - y con eso quedaria hermoso, derrepente puedes hacerle un espejismo, eliminar 00:42:273 (6,7,1) - y luego copiar 00:43:873 (2,3) - y pegarlo en 00:42:273 -, luego de eso aprietale Ctrl+H, para tener un buen patron solido y consistente, te recomiendo que a ese patron que le pusistes Ctrl+H lo lleves todo lo que puedas hasta la izquierda ( mas o menos hasta x:220 ), y el otro hacia la derecha ( mas o menos hasta x:290 ), de tal modo que la distancia de 00:43:873 (8) - con la nota previa sea alrededor de 1.16x. Fue arreglado con las sugerencias previas al "mod".
00:46:473 (2,3) - para mantener consistencia con los sonidos, me sorprende el porque de no agregar hyperdash ahi, cuando tienes un sonido muy fuerte en 00:46:673 -, similar o el mismo a 00:40:273 -, y si te das cuenta ahi si agregaste hyperdash. Me gustaría añadir un HDash, pero siendo una zona "calmada" prefiero dejarlo como Dash.
00:46:673 (3,4,5) - bueno esta historia es la misma que te mencione hace un rato, espero que guardes consistencia aqui tambien, lo dejo en tus manos. Hecho.
00:48:673 (2,3,1) - esto tmb, tratalo de hacer como 00:43:873 (2,3) -, ya depende de ti. Hice algo similar.
00:51:373 (8) - te recomiendo enormemente que elimines esa nota, primero que nada, no hay sonido ahi, segundo que por ponerla estas evitando el hyperdash que deberia ir entre 00:51:273 (7,1) -. Eliminé la nota 8 para hacer el HDash como enfatización para la nueva estrofa.
00:58:873 (2,3) - manten una distancia alrededor o igual a la distancia entre 00:58:073 (4,5) - para tener un mejor balance. Hecho.
00:59:373 (4) - eliminala y ponle un hyperdash entre 00:59:073 (3,1) - para que guardes consistencia con tus hyperdashes previos. Hecho.
01:05:673 (3,1) - porque hyperdash ahi? deberia ser entre 01:05:873 (1,2) -, 01:06:273 - este sonido ya es tipico de hyperdash en tu diff, manten esa consistencia. Estuve probando y me gustaría que los 2 fuesen dashes, siento que enfatizan mejor pese a la consistencia con ese sonido.
01:11:473 (3,4,5,6) - cuando hagas este tipo de patron trata de que tenga sentido, recuerdo haberte elogiado por lo que hiciste en 00:10:673 (1,2,3,4) - pero aqui me decepcionaste. Lo haré de nuevo.
01:18:573 (7) - una vez mas te quiero mencionar algo acerca de los streams en platter, no solo en ctb si no en las diffs hard de std tambien, a veces hay que recortar el stream para poder agregar un salto y seguir al golpe mas fuerte, es muy raro que tengas un golpe de platillo sin enfatizar, eso se nota a simple test, por eso elimina esta nota y agregale un hyper entre 01:18:473 (6,1) -. HDash agregado.
01:29:873 (4) - elimina esa nota ya que no hay sonido, y recuerda lo que te dije en el principio del mod acerca del spin. Hecho.
01:32:873 (5,6,1) - es inicio de kiai, la parte con mayor intencidad y no vas a agregarle hyper dash? ya sabes lo que tienes que hacer con 01:32:973 (6) -Hecho~
El kiai hasta cierto punto me gusta pero hay otra cosa que me causa dudas, si comparas la densidad de notas de la rain de JBHyperion con tu platter, te daras cuenta de que la brecha es inmensa, ya que mientras el usa puro stream tu solo usas sliders en 1/2, mi consejo seria aumentar la cantidad de objetos, por ejemplo que te parece cambiar 01:34:673 (1) - 01:36:273 (5) - a streams, guarda la diff, crea otra nueva con los mismos objetos y intenta apretarle Ctrl+Shift+F a los slider que te dije, suenan bien y tendras un mejor balance creeme, pero ahi no acabaria, 01:37:873 (3,4,5) - eso tmb deberia ser stream, 01:41:073 (3) - deberia ser stream y agregar una nota en 01:41:373 - y por ultimo 01:42:673 (1) - tmb deberia ser stream, lo dejo a tu criterio, como te aconsejo, crea otra dificultad con las mismas notas y aplicalo, si te gusta y al compararlo con la rain tiene un mejor balance pues te lo queda, pero si no te gusta pues simplemente borras la diff nueva y te quedas con tu patron actual.

01:47:073 (1,2,3,4,5) - porque tan diferente si escucho lo mismo que 01:45:873 (1) -, 01:47:073 (1) - borralo y agrega una nota en 01:47:073 -, luego ya sabes que seria mejor si usas 01:45:873 (1) - para tener una mejor consistencia. No entendí muy bien ésta parte pero espero haberla hecho al pie de la letra.
Espero que se me entienda, si te hice el mod tan largo fue porque quise aprovechar que los dos hablamos el mismo idioma y se me entienda mejor, ademas no me gustaria que vuelvas a cometer los mismos errores en otros mapas, para mi hubiera sido facil decirte, acorta la distancia aqui, aca usa hyperdash, aca no, etc, pero no sabrias el porque, solo trato de ayudar y espero no me lo tomes a mal, Mucha suerte. Descuida, el mod fue de mucha ayuda, gracias.

Hope to help you bro, best of lucks~~
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Kurokami

osu! Alumni

4,024 posts

Joined February 2010

Kurokami 2016-10-23T19:44:51+00:00

Hey. I was asked to mod Salad and Platter but well, I can't check half mapsets.

[Cup]

00:29:473 (1,2) - This pattern is a little bit confusing and could be hard for starters with almost no control over the catcher. That movement on 2 is the questionable part since you need to go right to catch it then left to get the end of it as well. Yea there is the thing you can just stand and catch both but we all know newbies can't do that yet. So please make this pattern simpler by rotating 2's tail to right or making it the same as 00:31:073 (1,2) - which works better because 2's head in this case is at the same direction as the tail of 1.
Answering to Sh1n1's problem with 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 and 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673. They are not exactly the same. If you listen carefully there are extra beats in the first which are not present during the kiai. This means they can't be consistent at all by following the music. At the same time the kiai has the same vocal as 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - and it could have been better choice to make it consistent with that instead. Yet, that did not happened as well.
00:53:073 - 01:18:673 - I have two problem with this part. First is the note density which basically stole the highlight from the kiai. This part feels much more radiant than the kiai which obviously should be wise-versa. The other thing is, that you are so aggressively following the vocals (when there is any) but here you just put notes on every white tick instead of the vocals then immediately after at the small wub part you took them away again. Why can't you just stick to one note density or to one instrument?

Nice difficulty otherwise.

[Salad]

Rhythm and timeline

00:07:473 (1,2,3,4) - This part of the pattern makes me wonder if it could have been different than the one on Platter (timeline wise). And I think making the slider slightly longer (by 1/2) could have been a better option so it ends on a strong beat which is more followable by starters. Its your choice but I recommend that.
00:32:073 (3) - Starting this slider on the weakest beat of all around is the worst choice. I strongly recommend to swap 2-3 on the timeline.
00:37:073 (1,2) - Since you can have jumps already it could be nice to separate these sliders apart and add small ones. I'm not against your idea but it might be better that way as the beats are strong enough.
00:45:873 (1,2,3) - If you are going for blue ticks to cover the drums at least do it well. There are two more drums on blue and one more on red to use.
00:55:673 (6) - You are following the drums for the whole section here but ignoring the two with the first part of this repeat slider? It actually makes no sense to me because you used this rhythm many times before.
01:11:873 (1) - Okay, it would be nice if you end up breaking your 1/1 rhythm usage with some 1/2 at this point. This slider covers 3 drums which you actually happened to follow up until now so it could make more sense to do that here as well.
01:18:673 (5) - I would place a new combo here because you just happened to follow the changes in the vocal and instrument with it and this note is the start of the new vocal section.
01:33:073 (7) - While I do not like to point out new combo issues and make suggestions to them this bugs me a lot as well. The kiai starts right here same with the vocal yet you did not apply NC at all. Instead you went and added one at 01:33:873 (1) - which is exactly the opposite what you did at 00:01:873 (1,2,3) - .
01:38:673 (1,2,3,4) - Okay, this is exactly the 4th time you used the same timeline in a row. While it does make sense you had so much better creativity at the beginning of this song I wonder where it went. 00:29:473 (1,2,1,2,3) - These are just examples, but for that reason, they are good. Please, make some diversity.
01:46:473 (1) - You ignored that strong drum 2 times before yet you followed it with this slider's head. This makes it to sound really strange because you basically ditched the vocal for the sake of a mere drum sound.
01:48:073 (1) - And again.
01:49:673 (4) - Same here again.
01:51:073 (1) - I find this annoying to here because of those clear 1/4 drums yet simple 1/2 slider is used while there is a stream later at 01:51:873 (3,4,5,6) - . It would be nice if you happened to not ignore something if later you want to follow the same sounds. I understand that you wanted to keep it easy but ignoring strong and noticeable instruments is not the right way to do.

Gameplay

00:07:473 (1,2,3,4,5) - I know I mentioned this above already so if you happened to follow that ignore this. I need to point this out in this section as well because this pattern happens to require a very precise left-right moving in a very short amount of time. While this is a more advanced level than Cup some player might just not have the right control to get a full combo especially because to catch the last note you need to time the movement very well without any unneeded space. Yes, the option to jump is there but they are just learning how to control that as well so overjump can occur easily which makes it hard to jump backwards. Anyway, my suggestion is to make the 2-3-4 part a little bit more vertical in order to make the movement less edgy.
00:10:673 (3,1) - There is a finisher but no jump? I would move 1 a little bit more to right to at least achieve bigger movement.
00:28:273 (2,3,4) - I don't get that space between 2-3. There is no need to add a jump here especially because you don't have any at 00:30:273 (2) - either. On the other hand this pattern is perfectly catchable by just moving to right so it might be better to make it easier to recognize this by moving 3 a bit back to left somewhere in the middle of the two other note.
00:34:673 (6,7,8) - There you go again. I can only say the same thing as well.
00:45:673 (2,1) - Move these a little bit back to right. Currently its hard to get them without pressing the jump button but there is no real indication to do that either.
00:55:673 (6) - Since this is still an easier level I suggest you to rotate this slider so there won't be any sudden backwards movement after that jump.
00:59:073 (8,1) - Too bad there is no jump between these two again despite of the strong sound. Although if you add on you need to change the part right before this.
01:06:673 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - Ugh. This part is really boring to play. All I see is slider, slider and more slider. Can you add some diversity by changing some to a circle instead? Adding some jump, higher or lower movement helps a lot as well.
01:48:073 (1,2,3) - I do mentioned a lot for this part above already but I need to add more. In this short section there are 3 direction change with 2 of them being in a close section. This should not happen on an early level. If you happened to solve the rhythm problem mentioned above this issue should be solved already but if not then I suggest you to change the repeat slider into a note+slider and place the slider vertically instead of horizontally.
01:50:273 (2) - Move this a bit back to right so it takes less movement to catch it. Currently its too edgy to handle it by a player with less experience.
01:51:673 (2,3,4,5,6) - No please. Do not add backwards movement to a stream right after a jump button press. New players tends to overjump a lot which makes them extremely hard to get the rest of the stream.

I happened to write a lot as well. :c

[Platter]

00:02:273 (3) - I do not think this should be mapped as a circle. The sound here is really quiet. I highly suggest you to make 2 as a slider which last until this tick. Same as you did at 00:03:473 (3) - .
00:36:273 (3) - Hm, what is this sudden 1/1 slider? The rhythm is still the same 1/2 as before. Can you shorten this and add a circle to where this slider's tail currently is? Chaining this with the next suggestion, the movement from 2 and 3 to 4 is really flowbreaking. There is a jump between 2-3 as well. Keep in mind that this is the introduction of Hypers so whenever you place one the patterns before and the following ones must be readable and handable as easily as it possible. The optimal placement for 4 could have been on the left side instead. Although if you change your timeline as I suggested you might be able to fix this issue easily as well.
00:39:673 (5,6,1) - Although I not precisely like this pattern due to the required jump-backwards movement-Hyper but it just might be me. It would be nice to make the required left movement on 6 smaller.
00:59:473 (1) - Can you at least curve this slider into the way of the Hyper so there won't be required sudden stop (which obviously impossible for those who just met the Hypers for the first time).
01:05:873 (1) - Is that Clap necessary on the head of this slider? It created a weird sound which is really interrupting.
01:29:873 - I would be nice to have an extra note here. It created better feeling to end the stream that way.
01:56:673 (4,1,2,3,4) - I don't like that zigzag after the Hyper. While I do understand that the rhythm might requires something like that and it fits nicely you need to keep in mind that this level is just an introduction of Hypers. Players mostly are not yet able to stop their movement at the right time. Plus those drums are all sounds the same so there shouldn't be any reason to use different distance between them at all.

Apart form these this is a really nice Platter. You have me. After applying this mod, please see what you can do about the kiai as we spoke in pm.

[Rain]

I'm not going to be specific since in the first half you mostly used patterns which requires the same movement all over. This makes your kiai and streams a little bit repetitive to a level where it becomes annoying. 01:34:673 (1,2,3,4) - , 01:35:073 (5,6,7) - , 01:33:473 (5,6) - , 01:37:473 (5,6) - , etc. It would be nice to see some vertical pattern as well, maybe where there is no jump at all? Constantly moving left-right can cause the stream (and the whole kiai) to feel like its harder than it actually is. It would be nice if you could change it on your own to suit your taste but you know where I can be find so feel free to ask me if any question comes up.
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Apart from this small spread issue I think its a nice set. Lets see if that could have been fixed.

SYAHME

1,072 posts

Joined January 2014

Topic Starter

SYAHME 2016-10-23T19:55:06+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
Hey. I was asked to mod Salad and Platter but well, I can't check half mapsets. - Hehehe, thank you

[Cup]
00:29:473 (1,2) - This pattern is a little bit confusing and could be hard for starters with almost no control over the catcher. That movement on 2 is the questionable part since you need to go right to catch it then left to get the end of it as well. Yea there is the thing you can just stand and catch both but we all know newbies can't do that yet. So please make this pattern simpler by rotating 2's tail to right or making it the same as 00:31:073 (1,2) - which works better because 2's head in this case is at the same direction as the tail of 1. - Done, followed as suggested.
Answering to Sh1n1's problem with 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 and 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673. They are not exactly the same. If you listen carefully there are extra beats in the first which are not present during the kiai. This means they can't be consistent at all by following the music. At the same time the kiai has the same vocal as 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - and it could have been better choice to make it consistent with that instead. Yet, that did not happened as well. - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this.
00:53:073 - 01:18:673 - I have two problem with this part. First is the note density which basically stole the highlight from the kiai. This part feels much more radiant than the kiai which obviously should be wise-versa. The other thing is, that you are so aggressively following the vocals (when there is any) but here you just put notes on every white tick instead of the vocals then immediately after at the small wub part you took them away again. Why can't you just stick to one note density or to one instrument? - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this.
Nice difficulty otherwise. - Thanks

[Salad]

Rhythm and timeline
00:07:473 (1,2,3,4) - This part of the pattern makes me wonder if it could have been different than the one on Platter (timeline wise). And I think making the slider slightly longer (by 1/2) could have been a better option so it ends on a strong beat which is more followable by starters. Its your choice but I recommend that. - Done
00:32:073 (3) - Starting this slider on the weakest beat of all around is the worst choice. I strongly recommend to swap 2-3 on the timeline. - Done
00:37:073 (1,2) - Since you can have jumps already it could be nice to separate these sliders apart and add small ones. I'm not against your idea but it might be better that way as the beats are strong enough. - Done
00:45:873 (1,2,3) - If you are going for blue ticks to cover the drums at least do it well. There are two more drums on blue and one more on red to use. - Done
00:55:673 (6) - You are following the drums for the whole section here but ignoring the two with the first part of this repeat slider? It actually makes no sense to me because you used this rhythm many times before. - Done
01:11:873 (1) - Okay, it would be nice if you end up breaking your 1/1 rhythm usage with some 1/2 at this point. This slider covers 3 drums which you actually happened to follow up until now so it could make more sense to do that here as well. - Done
01:18:673 (5) - I would place a new combo here because you just happened to follow the changes in the vocal and instrument with it and this note is the start of the new vocal section. - Done
01:33:073 (7) - While I do not like to point out new combo issues and make suggestions to them this bugs me a lot as well. The kiai starts right here same with the vocal yet you did not apply NC at all. Instead you went and added one at 01:33:873 (1) - which is exactly the opposite what you did at 00:01:873 (1,2,3) - . - Done
01:38:673 (1,2,3,4) - Okay, this is exactly the 4th time you used the same timeline in a row. While it does make sense you had so much better creativity at the beginning of this song I wonder where it went. 00:29:473 (1,2,1,2,3) - These are just examples, but for that reason, they are good. Please, make some diversity. - Done
01:46:473 (1) - You ignored that strong drum 2 times before yet you followed it with this slider's head. This makes it to sound really strange because you basically ditched the vocal for the sake of a mere drum sound. - Done
01:48:073 (1) - And again. - Done
01:49:673 (4) - Same here again. - Done
01:51:073 (1) - I find this annoying to here because of those clear 1/4 drums yet simple 1/2 slider is used while there is a stream later at 01:51:873 (3,4,5,6) - . It would be nice if you happened to not ignore something if later you want to follow the same sounds. I understand that you wanted to keep it easy but ignoring strong and noticeable instruments is not the right way to do. - Done
Gameplay
00:07:473 (1,2,3,4,5) - I know I mentioned this above already so if you happened to follow that ignore this. I need to point this out in this section as well because this pattern happens to require a very precise left-right moving in a very short amount of time. While this is a more advanced level than Cup some player might just not have the right control to get a full combo especially because to catch the last note you need to time the movement very well without any unneeded space. Yes, the option to jump is there but they are just learning how to control that as well so overjump can occur easily which makes it hard to jump backwards. Anyway, my suggestion is to make the 2-3-4 part a little bit more vertical in order to make the movement less edgy. - Followed above.
00:10:673 (3,1) - There is a finisher but no jump? I would move 1 a little bit more to right to at least achieve bigger movement. - Done
00:28:273 (2,3,4) - I don't get that space between 2-3. There is no need to add a jump here especially because you don't have any at 00:30:273 (2) - either. On the other hand this pattern is perfectly catchable by just moving to right so it might be better to make it easier to recognize this by moving 3 a bit back to left somewhere in the middle of the two other note. - Done
00:34:673 (6,7,8) - There you go again. I can only say the same thing as well. - Done
00:45:673 (2,1) - Move these a little bit back to right. Currently its hard to get them without pressing the jump button but there is no real indication to do that either. - I changed into new pattern.
00:55:673 (6) - Since this is still an easier level I suggest you to rotate this slider so there won't be any sudden backwards movement after that jump. - I changed into new pattern.
00:59:073 (8,1) - Too bad there is no jump between these two again despite of the strong sound. Although if you add on you need to change the part right before this. - Add more distance.
01:06:673 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - Ugh. This part is really boring to play. All I see is slider, slider and more slider. Can you add some diversity by changing some to a circle instead? Adding some jump, higher or lower movement helps a lot as well. - I will keep this, more sliders doesn't mean its boring.
01:48:073 (1,2,3) - I do mentioned a lot for this part above already but I need to add more. In this short section there are 3 direction change with 2 of them being in a close section. This should not happen on an early level. If you happened to solve the rhythm problem mentioned above this issue should be solved already but if not then I suggest you to change the repeat slider into a note+slider and place the slider vertically instead of horizontally. - I changed into new pattern.
01:50:273 (2) - Move this a bit back to right so it takes less movement to catch it. Currently its too edgy to handle it by a player with less experience. - I changed into new pattern.
01:51:673 (2,3,4,5,6) - No please. Do not add backwards movement to a stream right after a jump button press. New players tends to overjump a lot which makes them extremely hard to get the rest of the stream. - I changed into new pattern.
I happened to write a lot as well. :c - :c

Apart from this small spread issue I think its a nice set. Lets see if that could have been fixed. - Okay, thanks

Thanks for the mod.

Last edited by SYAHME 2016-10-25T16:15:21+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Kurokami

osu! Alumni

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Kurokami 2016-10-23T21:14:14+00:00

SYAHME wrote:
Kurokami wrote:
Hey. I was asked to mod Salad and Platter but well, I can't check half mapsets. - Hehehe, thank you

[Cup]
Answering to Sh1n1's problem with 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 and 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673. They are not exactly the same. If you listen carefully there are extra beats in the first which are not present during the kiai. This means they can't be consistent at all by following the music. At the same time the kiai has the same vocal as 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - and it could have been better choice to make it consistent with that instead. Yet, that did not happened as well. - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this. This means that your timeline should be more or less the same for the kiai than the part of 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - .
00:53:073 - 01:18:673 - I have two problem with this part. First is the note density which basically stole the highlight from the kiai. This part feels much more radiant than the kiai which obviously should be wise-versa. The other thing is, that you are so aggressively following the vocals (when there is any) but here you just put notes on every white tick instead of the vocals then immediately after at the small wub part you took them away again. Why can't you just stick to one note density or to one instrument? - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this. This means that your note density is too high compared with the kiai and you forsake the vocal (which you followed up until now) for some mere 1/1 beats. You should keep following the vocal.
Nice difficulty otherwise. - Thanks

I happened to write a lot as well. :c

Apart from this small spread issue I think its a nice set. Lets see if that could have been fixed.
Thanks for the mod.

JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

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Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-10-23T22:23:06+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
[Rain]

I'm not going to be specific since in the first half you mostly used patterns which requires the same movement all over. This makes your kiai and streams a little bit repetitive to a level where it becomes annoying. 01:34:673 (1,2,3,4) - , 01:35:073 (5,6,7) - , 01:33:473 (5,6) - , 01:37:473 (5,6) - , etc. It would be nice to see some vertical pattern as well, maybe where there is no jump at all? Constantly moving left-right can cause the stream (and the whole kiai) to feel like its harder than it actually is. It would be nice if you could change it on your own to suit your taste but you know where I can be find so feel free to ask me if any question comes up.
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I don't feel the non-kiai parts are especially repetitive considering the rhythms available to me, but I guess that's a matter of opinion. The only obvious place where I used overly repetitive patterns imo was 00:14:673 - 00:21:073 - which plays better as it serves to emphasize the buildup effect in this section. Semi-stream sections such as 00:27:473 - 00:37:073 - and the calm vocal verse sections use varying direction to negate the repetitive rhythms as best I could, but I digress.

Regarding the kiai, again the interpretation of what constitutes an annoying pattern is extremely subjective, I find it really fun to play, and my mapping focuses on consistency above (almost) all else. If I place a jump for a certain sound, I try to ensure similar spacings to all similar sounds, so arbitrarily removing jumps in favour of vertical patterns makes no sense to me. I feel patterns like 01:37:073 (1,2,3,4) - 01:38:673 (1,2,3,4) - 01:39:473 (1,2,3,4) - etc. offer enough of a "vertical" effect to provide a break whilst still maintaining good flow. To maintain that consistency as best as possible, I tried to some reduce normal dashes (on kick drum sounds especially) to regular spacing, removing a number of 1/4 tap dashes but keeping a similar number of hdashes, and some overly strong hypers were weakened a little.

Other stuff I changed is summarized below:

00:27:473 - 00:37:073 - Many normal dashes removed from this stream section to create better contrast with the later kiai, and many hdashes have been weakened to provide smoother movements. Flow and non-dash spacing has been largely kept the same
00:47:873 (4,1) - Reduced this slightly, was a bit mean for a normal dash in a clam section
00:56:673 (2,3) - Removed dash here, unfitting
01:00:073 (2) - Made horizontal to improve flow, tail was easy to miss
01:05:273 (4,5,6) - Reduced this slightly to make the following hyper more comfortable to play
01:10:473 (4,1) - Reduced to give 01:11:073 (2) - more emphasis
01:11:873 (5,6) - Reduced this to avoid an awkward difficulty spike
01:29:073 (1,2,3,4) - Reduced all of these slightly so they are more manageable after the hyper
01:54:673 (1,2) - Have been inverted to provide some variety in this pattern via the removal of a direction change. 01:55:473 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - have been flipped to accomodate

Apart from this small spread issue I think its a nice set. Lets see if that could have been fixed.

I'm not as happy with this as to me it feels a little less interesting, but such sacrifices have to be made for the good of the spread I suppose. Thanks for the suggestions.

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SYAHME

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Joined January 2014

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SYAHME 2016-10-24T01:39:48+00:00

Kurokami wrote:
[Cup]
Answering to Sh1n1's problem with 00:27:473 - to 00:40:273 and 01:33:073 - to 01:58:673. They are not exactly the same. If you listen carefully there are extra beats in the first which are not present during the kiai. This means they can't be consistent at all by following the music. At the same time the kiai has the same vocal as 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - and it could have been better choice to make it consistent with that instead. Yet, that did not happened as well. - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this. This means that your timeline should be more or less the same for the kiai than the part of 00:01:873 - 00:27:473 - .
00:53:073 - 01:18:673 - I have two problem with this part. First is the note density which basically stole the highlight from the kiai. This part feels much more radiant than the kiai which obviously should be wise-versa. The other thing is, that you are so aggressively following the vocals (when there is any) but here you just put notes on every white tick instead of the vocals then immediately after at the small wub part you took them away again. Why can't you just stick to one note density or to one instrument? - I will ask Kurokami back regarding this. This means that your note density is too high compared with the kiai and you forsake the vocal (which you followed up until now) for some mere 1/1 beats. You should keep following the vocal.
Nice difficulty otherwise. - Thanks

Thanks for the explanation, I will do my best to fix this.

SYAHME

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SYAHME 2016-10-24T01:44:47+00:00

JBHyperion wrote:

Kurokami wrote:
[Rain]

I'm not going to be specific since in the first half you mostly used patterns which requires the same movement all over. This makes your kiai and streams a little bit repetitive to a level where it becomes annoying. 01:34:673 (1,2,3,4) - , 01:35:073 (5,6,7) - , 01:33:473 (5,6) - , 01:37:473 (5,6) - , etc. It would be nice to see some vertical pattern as well, maybe where there is no jump at all? Constantly moving left-right can cause the stream (and the whole kiai) to feel like its harder than it actually is. It would be nice if you could change it on your own to suit your taste but you know where I can be find so feel free to ask me if any question comes up.
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I don't feel the non-kiai parts are especially repetitive considering the rhythms available to me, but I guess that's a matter of opinion. The only obvious place where I used overly repetitive patterns imo was 00:14:673 - 00:21:073 - which plays better as it serves to emphasize the buildup effect in this section. Semi-stream sections such as 00:27:473 - 00:37:073 - and the calm vocal verse sections use varying direction to negate the repetitive rhythms as best I could, but I digress.

Regarding the kiai, again the interpretation of what constitutes an annoying pattern is extremely subjective, I find it really fun to play, and my mapping focuses on consistency above (almost) all else. If I place a jump for a certain sound, I try to ensure similar spacings to all similar sounds, so arbitrarily removing jumps in favour of vertical patterns makes no sense to me. I feel patterns like 01:37:073 (1,2,3,4) - 01:38:673 (1,2,3,4) - 01:39:473 (1,2,3,4) - etc. offer enough of a "vertical" effect to provide a break whilst still maintaining good flow. To maintain that consistency as best as possible, I tried to some reduce normal dashes (on kick drum sounds especially) to regular spacing, removing a number of 1/4 tap dashes but keeping a similar number of hdashes, and some overly strong hypers were weakened a little.

Other stuff I changed is summarized below:

00:27:473 - 00:37:073 - Many normal dashes removed from this stream section to create better contrast with the later kiai, and many hdashes have been weakened to provide smoother movements. Flow and non-dash spacing has been largely kept the same
00:47:873 (4,1) - Reduced this slightly, was a bit mean for a normal dash in a clam section
00:56:673 (2,3) - Removed dash here, unfitting
01:00:073 (2) - Made horizontal to improve flow, tail was easy to miss
01:05:273 (4,5,6) - Reduced this slightly to make the following hyper more comfortable to play
01:10:473 (4,1) - Reduced to give 01:11:073 (2) - more emphasis
01:11:873 (5,6) - Reduced this to avoid an awkward difficulty spike
01:29:073 (1,2,3,4) - Reduced all of these slightly so they are more manageable after the hyper
01:54:673 (1,2) - Have been inverted to provide some variety in this pattern via the removal of a direction change. 01:55:473 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - have been flipped to accomodate

Apart from this small spread issue I think its a nice set. Lets see if that could have been fixed.

I'm not as happy with this as to me it feels a little less interesting, but such sacrifices have to be made for the good of the spread I suppose. Thanks for the suggestions.

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JBHyperion

osu!catch Paragon

3,922 posts

Joined September 2014

JBHyperion 2016-10-24T08:59:19+00:00

Discussed some stuff with Kurokami in Discord, did some more self-modding to improve stream transitions and fixed a couple more excessive jumps

rain

osu file format v14

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SYAHME 2016-10-24T09:09:59+00:00

Updated, waiting for Jusenkyo responds and myself in progress fixing Cup and Salad.
[Cup]

00:53:473 - until 01:29:473 - here, I will re-map to follow the vocal. - Done
01:33:073 - until 01:48:273 - here, in this kiai part, I will add more notes. - Done

[Salad]

Done

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