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Nakata Yuji
471 posts
Joined April 2009
Nakata Yuji
Modding for your m4m queue

I can pass this.... But it's very strange for a "marathon". It's certainly a challenge, but anyone who's going to try to S it may or not rage quit. A map can have an insane difficulty, or it can be very long. You can't really have both. Anyways, increasing the circle size might help.

Also, it's very hard to mod this difficulty, since a good majority of the notes are jumps.
But that's also another problem. The spacing is very sporadic. I know the map was meant to be like this...
For example:
04:58:663 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This was an anti-stream. The spacing here may cause misses in most playthroughs...

I didn't catch too much else, but be wary of these anti-streams I mentioned, and such.

I'll give it a star because it's well mapped otherwise.
And the storyboard was also interesting.
Kert
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Kert
Thanks for pointing out some arguable parts of my map.
Well, I believe it is possible to memorize these 3 or 4 anti-streams after 1-2 plays actually, so it's not a big deal. They are like James's traps hehe
I may change circle size, but I personally think it's ok right now. And about "marathon" difficulty you can read Starrodkirby post on the first page.
Vass_Bass
943 posts
Joined October 2009
Vass_Bass
I modded your BG some time ago =P
it's grate map, have a star ;)
Hijiri Tezuka
313 posts
Joined March 2010
Hijiri Tezuka
Hello ^w^

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00:17:091 (1) - Could you shorten to 00:18:546 and put notes after?
00:47:000 (2) - Remove clap plz?
00:51:637 (7) - Extend a bit?
01:52:307 (4,1) - Could you slowly fade the notes back in by adding a few notes to slowly reach the ones you placed?
02:28:918 (1) - Could you make into a slider and make it reapeat up untill 02:29:566?
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Other than that, the map is perfecto (Except there's nothing Perfecto about so many deathstreams for me @___@)
Star~
Kert
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Kert

Oyashiro Beatrice wrote:

Hello ^w^

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00:17:091 (1) - Could you shorten to 00:18:546 and put notes after? I think it's fine now
00:47:000 (2) - Remove clap plz? Removed
00:51:637 (7) - Extend a bit? I don't understand what do you mean by extending a note lol
01:52:307 (4,1) - Could you slowly fade the notes back in by adding a few notes to slowly reach the ones you placed? I think it will be better to have a break there
02:28:918 (1) - Could you make into a slider and make it reapeat up untill 02:29:566? Done. +Added one note after
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Other than that, the map is perfecto (Except there's nothing Perfecto about so many deathstreams for me @___@)
Star~
Thank you
Tomoka Rin
Former osu! Champion: OWC#1
378 posts
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Tomoka Rin
Star~
Mianki
2,701 posts
Joined September 2008
Mianki
Here for the mod4mod queu.
Most of them are suggestions. See which ones you like :P. And I think you should rename the difficultys name. "CracKing" is my suggestion :D

00:56:364 to 01:01:819 Put clap hitsound on every white tick on this time period
01:02:182 to 01:07:637 Same thing as ^ but with whistle hitsound
01:08:667 to Break: Every note with clap hitasound except the last 2, finish hitsound on them
06:14:298 (4) Clap at the end of the slider
06:16:718 (4) ^
06:18:078 (1) Clap
06:21:556 (6.7) ^
06:27:000 to Break: This section could use some hitsounds. Try putting them yourself
06:33:199 (2) Remove this sldier and put a note here, then put a slider (which is 2 ticks long in 1/4 beat snap divisor) with a reverse arrow here 06:33:351
07:26:729 (7) Finish or whistle
07:32:334 (1) ^
07:37:939 (2) ^
07:43:544 (6) ^
07:49:149 (1) ^
07:54:754 (1) ^
08:17:174 (2) ^
08:28:384 (9) ^
08:34:989 (2) ^
08:39:594 (9) ^
08:45:199 (1) ^
08:50:804 ^

Star~
Kert
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Kert
Done ~half of them. I prefer not to overload the map with not necessary hitsounds, because they can possibly ruin the song.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/10354 - this one is a good example, where the additional hitsounds are not needed
Sonic Fumes
228 posts
Joined November 2009
Sonic Fumes
Approve THIS.
Sakura
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Sakura
OMG THIS IS AWESOME

Also i think it should be named Marathon, btw 03:32:714 = Awesomeness! Love Bloody Tears XD

WAWAWA awesome! have a double star =3
Kert
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Kert
1+2=3 Triple Star :3
Wow, thanks Sakura301<3 I am glad you liked it ^_^

About difficulty name, I dunno, if a BAT will also demand difficulty name change, then I will do it. Insane is there cause not many marathons are insane
wanhyrzh
376 posts
Joined December 2009
wanhyrzh
I want to do a mod4mod and post in your queue.....
but your map is so good that I can not find any mistakes...O.o
however, I'll just offer some personnal suggestions (maybe just my style opinion)
SPOILER
General: delete all the bookmarks(blue ticks)
01:47:405(1) why not end this spinner a little earlier then add a circle here at the center? just as those you have done in earlier time.
03:14:274(1,1,1) these spinners are too short...I remember that there should be at least 2000 bonus score for each when auto plays, no matter RANK or APP maps. You may see those less than 2000 in old maps...but well, they have gone into history.
03:17:098(1,1,1) ^
03:49:567(1,1,1) ^
03:52:390(1,1,1) ^
04:17:314(1) ^ but this one is better
04:51:625(1) why not make this slider a little bit longer with 2 reverse? I think it's more funny like this:

04:53:032(1) ^
07:16:745(x) add a circle here and stack with the later Circle3?
07:19:547(x) ^
07:22:350(x) ^
07:27:955(x) ^
07:30:757(x) ^

star~good luck with it! :D
Kert
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Kert

wanhyrzh wrote:

General: delete all the bookmarks(blue ticks) They are still useful for me :3
01:47:405(1) why not end this spinner a little earlier then add a circle here at the center? just as those you have done in earlier time. Done, thanks for the idea

Spinners: I can't make them longer.. cause it will ruin all the feeling of the song =/

04:51:625(1) why not make this slider a little bit longer with 2 reverse? I think it's more funny like this:
[attachment=0:bb39d]screenshot002.jpg[/attachment:bb39d] I decided not to, it looks a bit ugly to my taste
04:53:032(1) ^

07:16:745(x) add a circle here and stack with the later Circle3?
07:19:547(x) ^
07:22:350(x) ^ Done all these
07:27:955(x) ^
07:30:757(x) ^

star~good luck with it! :D Thank you =)
Kamure
735 posts
Joined August 2009
Kamure
Oh god, so hard. So perfect......
blissfulyoshi
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blissfulyoshi
"Konachan.com - 10723 food hiiragi_kagami kusakabe_misao lucky_star minegishi_ayano" The combo colors are hard to see on top of this bg, since the combo color works on all the other bgs, I advise you exchange this bg with another one.

Source: capitalize the "b" in "beatmania"

Insane:
Normal mod:
00:30:910 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since you were mostly following vocals up till now, this snapping to drums was quite random to me, so I advise you try to follow the vocals here
01:34:440 (1,1) - this jump was quite random in comparison to how you mapped this section so far, so I suggest changing this
02:10:431 (6) - ^
07:17:796 - since you seem to be mapping all the lyrics in this section, I think it is appropriate to add a note here
07:20:598 - ^
07:36:187 (4,5) - y did you stack these notes, the pattern will probably flow better if you make continue the stream with 5
08:42:396 (3,4) - place these out further so they are partially overlapped by 1 and 2

Combo mod:
00:32:455 (5) - earlier, you had a new combo for every new sound, so I advise adding a new combo here
00:33:819 (5) - ^
00:35:273 (4) - ^
00:38:182 (5) - ^
00:39:637 (5) - ^
00:58:910 (1,3) - to follow your combo mapping and follow the sounds, remove 1's new combo and add a new combo to 3
01:23:407 (7) - new combo for new sound
02:22:431 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - add new combos here to be like the previous few sliders
03:34:302 (8) - new combo to be consistent with 03:35:714 (1)
03:48:243 (3) - new combo to be consistent with 03:47:538 (1)
05:05:664 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - add some combos in this section that are consistent to the previous few combos (sadly, I can't exactly figure out your pattern)

Timing section mod:
00:56:360 - move back a quarter note for the change in hitsound type
01:04:000 - 2 replicas of the same timing section at the same time, please remove the 2 copies
01:26:652 - move back a quarter note for the change in hitsound type
01:35:089 - a quarter note before this timing section, add a inherited timing section with the same hitsound settings but no kiai (for the use of custom hitsounds on the start of the slider this timing section is on)
01:42:228 (1) - move back a quarter note for the use of a noncustom hitsound on your first note
01:48:734 - move back a quarter note for the volume change
01:50:064 - ^
Going to stop the timing section mod here, but you need to go through the whole song and fix the timing sections like I did above. If you are wondering about the reasoning, check out the explanation in my signature.

Decent marathon. I didn't really how the difficulty level fluctuated so much, but I think is more of a personal preference. Star.
Kert
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Kert
Fixed everything, except this:
00:30:910 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since you were mostly following vocals up till now, this snapping to drums was quite random to me, so I advise you try to follow the vocals here
01:34:440 (1,1) - this jump was quite random in comparison to how you mapped this section so far, so I suggest changing this
02:10:431 (6) - ^
I just couldn't think of a better way to place them, let them be so

Thanks for a quality mod!
Blackiris
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Blackiris
Just wanted to star this map.
ヘ(^_^ヘ)(ノ^_^)ノ⌒☆
Garven
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Garven
Hrm, I'm not good at modding this sort of map, since I can't really play it. That and the song is D:

Anyway, as per your request:

[General]
Try to lower filesize a little bit. Try to aim for around 10 megs.

[Insane]
00:49:455 (1) - Doesn't feel like a spot that would justify a .5 section.
00:50:546 (1,2) - These... why 1/8 snap?
01:35:738 (1,2,3,4) - A little bit on the ridiculous side to me
01:37:036 (1,2,3,4,5) - These look really messy to me (same with copy paste later)
03:14:274 (1,1,1) - Auto's not liking these spinners' length. etc. etc.

Kind of an anti-climactic ending though. :/
Kert
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Kert

Garven wrote:

Hrm, I'm not good at modding this sort of map, since I can't really play it. That and the song is D:

Anyway, as per your request:

[General]
Try to lower filesize a little bit. Try to aim for around 10 megs. - I can't do anything about that, images are already resized

[Insane]
00:49:455 (1) - Doesn't feel like a spot that would justify a .5 section.
00:50:546 (1,2) - These... why 1/8 snap? 1/4 won't work there
01:35:738 (1,2,3,4) - A little bit on the ridiculous side to me
01:37:036 (1,2,3,4,5) - These look really messy to me (same with copy paste later) - Made them look a bit better
03:14:274 (1,1,1) - Auto's not liking these spinners' length. etc. etc. - :/

Kind of an anti-climactic ending though. :/ Take it as a rest after the "storm" =)
And thank you Garven & Blackiris!
aRiskOfRain
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'k.
any34
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any34
Выскажу всего лишь мнение.
Слишком много спиннеров в начале, ну правда слишком много, можно было и меньшим количеством обойтись. Так же много джампов в том же самом начале.
К концу становится уж слишком легко, в отличие от того же начала.
Ну это всего лишь придирки =|.
Даю звезду.
Kert
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DiamondCrash, thanks for the star!
GaShiK, спасибо. приму на заметку
sveta-insane
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sveta-insane
star!
KIA
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KIA
ROAR! >W<
Kert
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Kert
спасибо за звёзды)
Haneii
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Haneii
You need a "cursortrail.png" in the folder.

06:58:451 (1,2,3,4,5) – maybe make them all different combos (diff colours)? Looks confusing (although I don’t play insane maps so I’m not too sure about this one).

~Twinkle twinkle little star~
Kert
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It's a trap ^_^'
Added "cursortrail.png". Thanks for the star
Kristi-Dream
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Kurai
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Kurai
Kert
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KuraiPettan wrote:

cuuute_misao.jpg
^_^ Thank you once again, Kurai ^_^/
James2250
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James2250
-Resize section pass and section fail so they are 800x600 or below
-Why is there an audo lead in time?
-Some of your backgrounds in the folder are too big, resize them all so they are 1024x768 and below
-To my knowledge you don't need the 100g in the folder

00:53:728 (1) - start at 00:53:455
00:57:455 (1) - remove new combo
00:57:819 (3) - new combo
05:38:330 (11) - make this shorter and add more repeats?
05:43:981 (11) - ^

*star*
Kert
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James2250 wrote:

-Resize section pass and section fail so they are 800x600 or below - Did nothing here
-Why is there an audo lead in time? - deleted
-Some of your backgrounds in the folder are too big, resize them all so they are 1024x768 and below - done
-To my knowledge you don't need the 100g in the folder - deleted

00:53:728 (1) - start at 00:53:455 - done
00:57:455 (1) - remove new combo - done
00:57:819 (3) - new combo - done
05:38:330 (11) - make this shorter and add more repeats? - It was intended to sound like that, I like it how it is
05:43:981 (11) - ^

*star*
Thank you for you mod and star!
Ari-chan_old
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Ari-chan_old
Jaja :3
Derekku
COOL DUDE
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Derekku
[General]
*Why not just force the Lucky Star skin instead of adding it to the folder? (Although, you'd want to keep the different combobursts) If you don't want to do this, then you need to add some skin elements which are missing from the folder.
*approachcircle.png, cursortrail.png, and ready.png are what I notice. Please add those to the folder (even if they're from the default skin so they don't clash with a player's custom skin) and full submit.

[Insane]
*I agree with changing this diff's name to "Marathon". "Insane" by itself just looks/sounds awkward.
*Drain is a bit low, even for a map of this insanity.
01:00:728 (1) - Shorten to the white tick?
01:31:628 (5,1) - Expected a note in-between these.
02:43:297 (3) - Isn't snapped to the uninherited section.
03:25:480 - Shouldn't this kiai be on the next white tick instead of in-between notes?
04:07:920 - kiai not snapped to the white tick
05:39:390 - kiai randomly between notes again
05:45:040 - ^
08:56:409 - What a strange way to end the map here. It's kinda awkward... Perhaps try a spinner decreasing in volume or something after this for the fade-out? =/
*Remember to keep inherited sections before the note you want them actually on to make sure they work even if the player hits early/late. The only time they should be ON the note is for kiai. You seem to place the sections correctly in some spots, but wrong in others. I see bpm slider change sections directly on notes, which I especially suggest to avoid to make sure the sliders don't break (I've seen this happen in ranked maps before and I'd hate to see it again). Also, some sections are sloppy, such as kiai ending during or after a break in random spots.

Now for uninherited timing sections... I wish I could give you accurate timings, but this is too insane for me to test. ;A;

006,910 - Sounds okay.
078,865 - Could probably use a +10.
107,072 - Should start at 01:47:404, and also feels a bit off (the last couple sets of notes get behind). BPM 182 seems to feel much better.
111,393 - Why is this here? Notes aren't even snapped to it. Remove this section.
112,594 - Metronome sounds really early... Perhaps a +20 to this section?
162,864 - Unnecessary. Remove this.
163,304 - Fine.
208,480 - Okay.
209,538 - Should start at 03:29:890.
250,804 - Fine.
300,014 - 170BPM with +20 or +25 to offset felt much better to me (beginning was too early, and the ending was too slow)
350,710 - Fine.
429,914 - I'm thinking a +10 here. (one of the few sections I could actually play test for accuracy)

Remember to rensap notes after making timing changes (and be careful since some parts use 1/3 snap - It'd probably be better to individually resnap incorrect sections, actually).

Sorry for the sloppy mod, but I hope it helps. ;x;
Kert
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Thanks for an awesome timing mod, Derekku! No, really, you don't even know how many times I tried to find BPM for 107,072 section and not only that
Changed practically everything, except the ending.. because.. it's just ugly to have a looong spinner until the end =/ And I don't have any other ideas
hateech
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star
jericho2442
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jericho2442
check the timing for this part, it goes out of time near the end 01:47:430 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

spinner like this 03:14:274 (1,1,1) - COME ON >_> , auto can "barely" make them, i kno with approved the rules can be laspe sometime, but the amount of ninja spinners around this part need to be fixed, srry but its true >_>

03:27:774 (1) - remove newcombo
04:52:768 (8) - remove this note
04:54:176 (6) - remove this note

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map is pretty much solid, but srry i wont map untill them ninja spinners are abit better, approved map or not D:
Kert
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Fixed that.
Arigatou for the mod, jericho!
спасибо за звезду, hateech
Galkan
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Galkan
Shouldn't be it VAVAVA? :-P Good job anyway, have a star.
Kert
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Kert
I don't know which is the right name, really. But the original mp3 file stated WAWAWA, so I'll leave it as it is. And I also like this name more :D
Cheers =)
Galkan
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Galkan
Well, here is by V.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhDNXOcOkoc

Also, you can add some Misao (or all LS characters) combobursts, only Konata and Kagami are here :)
Soaprman
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Soaprman
I think upping the circle size by one might not be a bad idea. It'd make the map accessible to more people without actually changing it much.

03:34:302 (2) - sounds better snapped to 1/4. (i.e. move this 1/8 to the right on the timeline)
03:40:037 (2) - ^
03:41:404 (2) - ^

04:19:425 (1) - maybe remove this? The spacing contrasted with the anti-jump at 04:18:545 (3,1) makes this kind of easy to miss.

...and that's all! This was quite fun to play. Thanks for posting it in my queue! And good luck with getting this approved. :)
Kert
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Soaprman wrote:

I think upping the circle size by one might not be a bad idea. It'd make the map accessible to more people without actually changing it much. - Some parts start looking ugly after this.. I don't want to do that =/ I made HP Drain quite low because the map is hard

03:34:302 (2) - sounds better snapped to 1/4. (i.e. move this 1/8 to the right on the timeline) - done
03:40:037 (2) - ^ - done
03:41:404 (2) - ^ - done

04:19:425 (1) - maybe remove this? The spacing contrasted with the anti-jump at 04:18:545 (3,1) makes this kind of easy to miss. - Sounds worse if I delete it. I think some places like this are not critical for map playability

...and that's all! This was quite fun to play. Thanks for posting it in my queue! And good luck with getting this approved. :)
Thank you =)
jericho2442
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well i dont see anything "unrank/approvable" in it now so i will star
OnosakiHito
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OnosakiHito
Well, I have now a good solution for the Taiko Map.
I've made for the first part 5min's of the song and the last 4min's will be the second part/new Taiko diff..

I will send you them later.

Greetings,
おのさき人
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Kert
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Cheers, jericho

OnosakiHito, hm.. I guess it'll be fine! Can't wait to play your diffs!
OnosakiHito
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Okay, I made now the first Taiko diff. part.
Here the link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/zora8e

Some updates are possible.
And it's important to know what the other people think about it.~
Galkan
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Seriously, I don't know if I will ever start making those combobursts you've requested. I know it's simple but I'M TOO FUCKING LAZY, DAMNIT! -.-

Forgive.
any34
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Сделаю свою диффу на карту, если ты не против :roll:
Kert
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ответил в игре.
[Strike]
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any34
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мда... действительно сложно :(
не потяну.
кстати вот фикс тебе: марафон идет чуть меньше 9 минут, но я думаю, можно сказать что ровно 9.
Kert
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)
исправил

And thanks for the star, gaomon!
Lesjuh
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Lesjuh
Alright!

00:50:546 (1,2) - No!
00:51:091 (4,5) - No!
00:51:637 (7,8) - No!
Make these 1/4 or remove them!

01:35:748 (1,2,3,4) - Make the distance between these shorter
02:19:847 - Normal hitsounds would sound alot better here.
02:31:090 (9,10) - It's a small thing but these two should be closer to each other, it can really mess up the stream.

03:25:656 - Why the short kiai section here? It doesn't fit.
05:39:563 - ^

05:51:768 (1,2) - ):
05:53:129 (1,2) - ):
05:54:339 (7) - ):
Can lead to very frustrating combobreaks. Do you really want to keep these jumps?

06:58:451 (1,2,3,4,5) - Nasty pattern and difficulty jump. I suggest decreasing the spacing on this one.
06:43:935 - Good place for a kiai time section!
07:53:362 (1,2,3,4,1) - Potential combobreaker ;(

This map could definitely use some more kiai sections. The ones you placed are very short. Place them wisely at epic moments in the song!

Other than that everything looks good to me!
Kert
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Lesjuh wrote:

Alright!

00:50:546 (1,2) - No!
00:51:091 (4,5) - No!
00:51:637 (7,8) - No!
Make these 1/4 or remove them! Made them 1/4

01:35:748 (1,2,3,4) - Make the distance between these shorter done
02:19:847 - Normal hitsounds would sound alot better here. Yes, done
02:31:090 (9,10) - It's a small thing but these two should be closer to each other, it can really mess up the stream. Remapped the stream without grip snap

03:25:656 - Why the short kiai section here? It doesn't fit. I don't think so
05:39:563 - ^

05:51:768 (1,2) - ):
05:53:129 (1,2) - ):
05:54:339 (7) - ):
Can lead to very frustrating combobreaks. Do you really want to keep these jumps? Yes

06:58:451 (1,2,3,4,5) - Nasty pattern and difficulty jump. I suggest decreasing the spacing on this one. Decreased
06:43:935 - Good place for a kiai time section! Added
07:53:362 (1,2,3,4,1) - Potential combobreaker ;( Can't think of any other pattern.. I guess it's not that critical

This map could definitely use some more kiai sections. The ones you placed are very short. Place them wisely at epic moments in the song!

Other than that everything looks good to me!
Thank you!
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Okay, now it's star time.

*star*
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As your request.

OnosakiHito's Taiko Oni
- There are 55 unsnapped objects. Unfortunatly both 1/4 and 1/3 notes are used so you need to snap those manually. (Or just copy + paste those parts to some other file, then snap it, then copy + paste back to this diff...)
- Some big notes are too random.

00:06:910 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4) - I'd rather put xxxxx xx xx xxx x?
00:15:273 (2,3,4) - kdk?
00:32:364 (1,1,2,1,1) - consider put xx x xx. (This applies to all other similar parts. Well, you don't need to change all of them, I'm just suggestting to put something like this to a few parts.)
00:49:697 (1) - Move to 00:49:728. (You don't need to use 1/6 here.)
00:49:879 (2) - Move to 00:49:910.
01:08:000 (2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,1,1,2,1,1) - covert these to Big notes?
01:31:756 (1) - k?
02:10:118 (2) - delete this?
02:46:127 (2) - D?
02:48:951 (2,3,4) - I don't think 1/6 here is make sense.
02:50:362 (2,3,4) - ^
02:54:245 (4,5,6,7) - ^
03:19:656 (1,1,1,1,1) - This is unrankable, as the end of the spinner and the start of spinner is overlapped. Also don't spam it like this.
04:37:548 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Personally I don't like this stream.
04:43:179 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - ^
04:45:994 ~ 04:50:217 - Actually this part is 1/4, not 1/3. Up to you, though.
04:51:625 ~ 04:55:847 - ^
05:23:151 (2) - Add a note? (This applies to all other similar parts.)
05:41:328 (2) - k?
05:50:504 (5) - How about delete this, as there's BPM change right after this note, and this can be too confusing.
06:43:860 (16) - add d?
07:00:872 (2) - D?
07:13:953 (8) - delete this?
07:50:211 (2) - k?
08:10:177 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - How about change all to big notes, or just make 08:10:878 (1,2,3) to big notes?

I couldn't mod that precisly, as this one is really long map.

As there is an unrankable issue, I can't star right now. Sorry.
Kert
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I guess everything was fixed by OnosakiHito. Thank you, lepi!
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[Overall]

You have to add a "cursor.png" if you're going to use the file "cursortrail.png". Remember to full submit after this fix.

Add "OnosakiHito" into the tags on both difficulties.

[Difficulties]

[Marathon]

02:32:171 (19) - New combo.
02:32:279 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:34:766 (19) - New combo.
02:34:874 (1) - Remove new combo.
04:17:314 (1) - Can you make this spinner a bit more longer?
04:21:361 (3) - New combo for make the slider visible.
07:26:739 (7,1) - Spacing, too close.
07:49:159 ~ 08:00:369 - This 2x BPM section is a bit unexpected... I suggest to remove.
Kert
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osuplayer111 wrote:

[Overall]

You have to add a "cursor.png" if you're going to use the file "cursortrail.png". Remember to full submit after this fix. - Added and full resubmitted

Add "OnosakiHito" into the tags on both difficulties. - Done

[Difficulties]

[Marathon]
...
Remapped 2x part, fixed spacing, new combos and spinner. Everything
Thanks a lot!
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Looks much better now.

Bubble #1~
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OMG YES !

Gogo rank :D
Hitoshirenu Shourai
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Here since the beginning
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Ninja!

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
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Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Ninja!

Enjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
orz, why didn't I give a star for this song?
Enyway, good job :3
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osuplayer111 wrote:

Bubble #1~

Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
Huh? Bubble #2?
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So do we unrank it or what
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At least I'm not who should decide that, but this one lacks bubble #2 and that's true, right?
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Well, nothing dreadful, I'll forgive some of the more creative spacing here since it's not that difficult to read and it makes relative sense, after all. A few sections are lacking hitsounds entirely, perhaps you could add some more in?

00:51:910 (1,2,3,4) - How are you supposed to read speed changes like this? There aren't any slider ticks and they're effectively random.
01:26:662 (1,2,3,1,2) - These sliders should be snapped to 1/3.
03:20:009 (1,2) - Failed symmetry here could be fixed up to make this cleaner, same with the following bit.
08:42:406 (3,4) - Yeah, these could be improved quite a bit. Take a look.
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Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Ninja!

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
Reverted to a 2nd bubble
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awww just when i did a good run T_T
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sorry :P
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Derekku
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*pop*

As much as I love hold sliders, using uninherited sections for slider velocity changes is currently unrankable. Thus, change 03:28:480 (3) to 0.5x or something else. I really meant to remod this after doing my previous timing check since so many parts of the map feel unintuitive or just thrown in for added difficulty rather than enjoyment. Let's not rush things, especially since I'm sure this can still be improved upon a bit.

Also, before I forget, shorten 03:37:655 (5) to the blue tick.
Kert
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Jarby wrote:

A few sections are lacking hitsounds entirely, perhaps you could add some more in? - I prefer to leave some of the parts without hitsounds. Actually I tried placing some of them there, but all just started sounding worse and repetitive

00:51:910 (1,2,3,4) - How are you supposed to read speed changes like this? There aren't any slider ticks and they're effectively random. - ^_^' That's a good question haha. I don't really know how can it be read from the first try, but I think it's not that critical.
01:26:662 (1,2,3,1,2) - These sliders should be snapped to 1/3 - Remapped this part a bit
03:20:009 (1,2) - Failed symmetry here could be fixed up to make this cleaner, same with the following bit. - Tried my best to make them more cute
08:42:406 (3,4) - Yeah, these could be improved quite a bit. - Same
I also fixed what Derekku asked to.

Let's not rush things
Submitted: Apr 14, 2010
xD Also considering that I was making the map from January to April..
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Did some irc modding with CracK to make various streams and other tricky patterns a bit more intuitive. I'll double check some stuff tomorrow (since I'm about to fall asleep atm) along with checking the timing again (a few places feel off). Also, I checked taiko and saw a couple of things.

00:54:425 (1) - shouldn't this be on the blue tick?
02:39:307 (13) - aren't finishes on the end of a stream frowned upon? :s
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Thank you Derekku!
I changed the two things, and much more.

00:54:425 (1) - shouldn't this be on the blue tick?
- Found two more
- Deleted some finishes
- 04:45:994 / changed the stream a little bit
- 05:16:798 / changed to don
- 05:19:622 / deleted the don
- 05:28:269 / changed to don
- and more...
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Did a hell of a bunch of testplaying to check though Marathon again and to also fine-tune the timing.

Taiko
*Isn't kiai supposed to only start/end on the downbeats of measures? Regardless, many kiai sections start/end at weird spots like blue ticks, so I highly suggest fixing those.
*Almost 3000 combo? Holy...

Marathon
*Just noticed that you have more than three slider speeds (didn't think about it when I suggested that you use a slower speed at 03:20:009). You'll need to either change 03:20:009's 0.75x speed (which I still think is too fast here and suggest trying 0.5x again) or remove the 2x from 02:40:603 (1).
*I wasn't going to complain about there being too much kiai, but using multiple fountains like at 06:48:774 and 06:49:681 is a bit excessive, especially since you didn't add them at 06:58:451 and 06:59:359. I suggest removing these two fountains.
*But, I wouldn't mind if you added one at 07:03:290 since I expected it here.
*Background sizes look kinda strange since many are too wide. The black bars at the top and bottom don't look that great, but it's up to you whether you wanna try messing with the SB to scale them, finding new images, or something like that.

*00:50:192 (3,1,2) - The slider speed changes around here are confusing enough with a 1/4th repeating slider that goes directly into more 1/4th notes. I think this would flow much better if you removed one repeat.
*02:12:073 (1) - I keep expecting this to be 1/3 earlier due to the really close distance spacing. How about vertically flipping it (and rotating it like 30 degrees with ctrl-shift-r) like this? http://puu.sh/rhv
*04:51:625 (1,2) - The 1/8th sliders here and at 04:53:032 (1,2) sound pretty bad imo. If you really have to use them, then perhaps try 1/6th snapping or something like that?
*06:22:161 (8) - perhaps add a note here?

Timing
6,910: +10 should work better
78,875: I'm not the best at streams, so this was a challenge to test, but I think it's fine.
107,430: Try +20 (feels really early)
112,604: Early, so +10.
163,304: Sounds fine.
250,804: Butterfly starts before this, and the beginning sounds a little bit fast, so try starting this at 238,145 instead (and resnap since the offset is changed a little bit)
04:46:004: The bpm is still fine here, but Misao is a bit earlier than the music. It's a bit hard to match the offset to her without making it really sound off with the music, so I'm not going to add a new offset.
300,034: Fine.
350,700: Felt a tiny bit off, but I think it's fine.
429,924: -5 felt a bit better. The timing gets early one second, then late the next, but an earlier offset felt like a better average for this section.
08:45:214: I hated to do it, but the last few measure felt even more off than the rest of the section. 525,214 should be close enough.

Remember to be very very careful when resnapping (do each section individually) as to not screw up the 1/4th and 1/3rd sections.

Unfortunately, MATs cannot bubble approval maps, so I really can't do anything else with this map. But good luck!
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Derekku wrote:

Taiko
*Isn't kiai supposed to only start/end on the downbeats of measures? Regardless, many kiai sections start/end at weird spots like blue ticks, so I highly suggest fixing those.
*Almost 3000 combo? Holy...
- Well, not really. Kiai time is to be used in a highlight moment of a map. Because there are many maps made as one, there are also much more kiai times. But you're right. I deleted some kiai times.~
- Maa, 10min, hard to map with 999 hitcircles... idea was to split the song into two parts, but it isn't so good as it seems. But I think to break the 999 rule is not anymore so serious.

Timing:
107,430: Try +20 (feels really early) In Taiko +10 fits.
112,604: Early, so +10. In Taiko +5 fits.
250,804: Butterfly starts before this, and the beginning sounds a little bit fast, so try starting this at 238,145 instead (and resnap since the offset is changed a little bit) Damn, you are really good! Sounds nice now, and easier to play!
274.469(04:46:004) - In this part the timing section resnap made another combo. I think better then mine, check it out. xD
I changed all other time sections.^^

Oh well, I also done something in the storyboard. Totaly forgot that...:
Diffculty
- HP Drain Rate LvL 5.
- Overall Difficulty LvL 6.

Guest diff. Name:
Changed to Ono's Taiko Oni
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nztnd2

I hope everything is fine now. Well, it would be nice if someone would say how the part in 04:46:004 now is.
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2Derekku

Derekku wrote:

Marathon
*Just noticed that you have more than three slider speeds (didn't think about it when I suggested that you use a slower speed at 03:20:009). You'll need to either change 03:20:009's 0.75x speed (which I still think is too fast here and suggest trying 0.5x again) or remove the 2x from 02:40:603 (1). - Changed that 2x to 1x
*I wasn't going to complain about there being too much kiai, but using multiple fountains like at 06:48:774 and 06:49:681 is a bit excessive, especially since you didn't add them at 06:58:451 and 06:59:359. I suggest removing these two fountains. - Removed
*But, I wouldn't mind if you added one at 07:03:290 since I expected it here. - Added

*00:50:192 (3,1,2) - The slider speed changes around here are confusing enough with a 1/4th repeating slider that goes directly into more 1/4th notes. I think this would flow much better if you removed one repeat. - Remapped this part
*02:12:073 (1) - I keep expecting this to be 1/3 earlier due to the really close distance spacing. How about vertically flipping it (and rotating it like 30 degrees with ctrl-shift-r) like this? http://puu.sh/rhv - Remapped this part
*04:51:625 (1,2) - The 1/8th sliders here and at 04:53:032 (1,2) sound pretty bad imo. If you really have to use them, then perhaps try 1/6th snapping or something like that? - Remapped this part with 1/4 sliders
*06:22:161 (8) - perhaps add a note here? - It sounds strange for me, because I feel that part of the song already ends on the existing note before.

Timing
Changed and resnapped everything and added an inheriting section at the very end
Once again many thanks to you, Derek!
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OnosakiHito
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Daaaamn it! It should be already time.... xD
Beuchi
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Uh, I was going to check this but I only get the Marathon diff, could you Full Submit please? :3

Ok time to check this!!

~All Diffs~
- I don't really get why are you using "song_banner.png" when you can just modify the Taiko BG and add it to it ._.
- Timing must be the same on all diffs. Please check all the timing sections (red ones, green ones don't matter here) carefully! Some have 10ms of difference and this is already noticeable. Also, the last timing section on Marathon doesn't appear on Taiko.

Storyboard:
- Having widescreen images mixed with 4:3 ones looks pretty weird sometimes (specially when you're fading them). Also, some of them aren't even on the center of the screen, so it looks even more ugly >.<. I'd either crop the widescreen images to make them 4:3 or scale the widescreen ones to fit the whole screen (which I don't recommend, because depending on the image you might get a huge SB Load).
- Why are you using "black.jpg" when you can use a black colored background at Song Setup and fade the images to it? Some parts have a 3-4x SB Load when it shouldn't be more than 1x.
- 01:47:322 - The image fades out so suddenly. Maybe it's on purpose, but I'd take advantage of the echo part and fade the image progressively with them.. Just throwing in ideas x3, you don't have to do it.
- 10:06:136 - Lucky Star is active until this point, I don't really think is necessary to have it for that long D:

~Ono's Taiko Oni~
- I'm not really a Taiko modder, but I feel this loooong map needs a decent taiko mod so expect one in a short while :3 Thank you so much arken <3

~Marathon~
04:17:235 (1) - I feel this spinner totally out of place, it might be just me but...
04:31:927 (2,3,4,5,6) - Loved this <3
04:57:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This sounds so off D:
06:58:905 (4,5) - I think this would be too harsh... Maybe decrease the spacing a bit on the whole pattern? Or maybe put these notes closer to (2,3).
07:15:874 to end - This part has a huge lack of hitsounds ;__;

Crazy map D: *star*
arien666
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[Ono's Taiko Oni]
Make sure there's no break please :3 [No need to fill notes except what I say]
If possible, move Kiai toggle green line into right position not blank point ;_;
00:21:465 (1) - Delete Finish
00:54:738 (1) - ^
01:11:283 - [Suggestion] Maybe, you can fill some patterns on here ;_;?
01:31:756 (3) - Don
01:33:487 (2) - Need of Finish?
01:54:231 (1,2,3,1) - 1/6 seems little weird ;_; any good replacement?
01:56:826 (1,2,3,1) - ^
02:19:853 ~ 02:27:637 - Seems little random ;_;
02:29:745 - DO NOT CUT KIAI
02:43:656 (1) - Delete Finish
02:53:892 (2,3) - [Suggestion] Delete Finish?
03:57:068 (3) - Delete Finish
05:05:504 (2) - ^
06:33:200 (2) - ^
06:39:098 (1) - ^
07:37:945 - 1sec Kiai is not allowed on Taiko ;_;
07:48:454 (1) - Delete Finish
07:54:059 (3) - ^



/me is OUT OF ORDER AFTER THIS @#%(*!@)*%)!@*$_
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Gr8 Map :P hard to map and mod :P
OnosakiHito
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02:19:853 ~ 02:27:637 - Seems little random ;_;
I just didn't follow this, it's fine.~ Otherwise, thank you really much arien! :)
Crack, please give arien kd.

And here is the finished map.~
I changed the BG and deleted the ,,song_banner" picture.

Download: 14952 Nico Nico Douga - WAWAWA SPEED mix.zip
Kert
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Thanks Beuchi-chan and arken!
Beuchi-chaaan
Storyboard:
- Having widescreen images mixed with 4:3 ones looks pretty weird sometimes (specially when you're fading them). Also, some of them aren't even on the center of the screen, so it looks even more ugly >.<. I'd either crop the widescreen images to make them 4:3 or scale the widescreen ones to fit the whole screen (which I don't recommend, because depending on the image you might get a huge SB Load). - I tried to place them on the center of the screen
- Why are you using "black.jpg" when you can use a black colored background at Song Setup and fade the images to it? Some parts have a 3-4x SB Load when it shouldn't be more than 1x. - Fixed with the help of yours =)
- 01:47:322 - The image fades out so suddenly. Maybe it's on purpose, but I'd take advantage of the echo part and fade the image progressively with them.. Just throwing in ideas x3, you don't have to do it. Yeah, I followed that idea, Let me know, whether you like it now
- 10:06:136 - Lucky Star is active until this point, I don't really think is necessary to have it for that long D: - lol changed


~Marathon~
04:17:235 (1) - I feel this spinner totally out of place, it might be just me but... - It was more logical when it was shorter heh.. Well, I remapped this part!
04:31:927 (2,3,4,5,6) - Loved this <3 - Thanks! ^_^
04:57:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This sounds so off D:
06:58:905 (4,5) - I think this would be too harsh... Maybe decrease the spacing a bit on the whole pattern? Or maybe put these notes closer to (2,3). - I Put those notes closer
07:15:874 to end - This part has a huge lack of hitsounds ;__; - Threw a bunch of hitsounds :3
And also thanks many guys, since my last post, for the stars! haha
Beuchi
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You're going to kill me... xDDD

"fourgirlsshock" has a weird sudden movement when it starts scaling down. Don't worry, I fixed it for you xD

Replace the code on your .osu file with this one:

Sprite,Foreground,Centre,"luckystar-fourgirlsshock.jpg",320,240
 F,0,73819,78865,0,1
 M,0,73819,85351,366,240,417,265
 S,0,73819,85351,1,1.14336
 F,0,78865,85351,1
 F,0,85351,,1
 S,0,85351,86000,1.14336,0.8054401
 M,0,85364,86013,417,265,319,247
 F,0,107440,,1
 F,0,107440,108744,1,0.6
 F,0,108744,110048,0.625,0.3
 F,0,110048,111353,0.325,0

That's all~
Kert
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I am not that evil =/
Fixed, thank you!
Beuchi
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>w<!

Everything is allright for me now, let's go re-rank this!! :)

BUBBLE #1
OnosakiHito
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да! го го го~! :D
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awesome
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wawawa...
Galkan
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I demand re-approval it ASAP.
OzzyOzrock
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I thought Misao's sound was spelled, "VA" not "WA".

examples:
SPOILER


yep yep suta
Kert
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This was discussed already, but

The comments in videos vary:
some say - わぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわ
others - ヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁ
Also original mp3 had W in the title, so let it be as it is

As a side note: Anyone wants to be Santa? :<
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mads... :o
Derekku
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Unranked ~2 months ago. It's ridiculous that this hasn't been re-approved yet. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to pop again for a missing uninherited section and some concerns I have with Taiko.

[Taiko]
*Not really a big deal, but perhaps put Overall Difficulty back into the middle since Taiko diffs usually use the default settings?
*And I suppose remove the breaks since Taiko diffs don't need them.
00:56:374 - Kiai should start here on the white tick.
01:10:920 - and end here.
03:52:745 (5,6) - I think this would sound better being on the red/blue ticks than the blue/white ticks.
03:53:451 (9,10) - ^
03:54:156 (13,14) - ^
04:34:743 - Kiai shouldn't end on a random tick, so either place it here (on the downbeat), or at 04:34:391.
04:46:004 (3,4,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - This pattern (and the similar ones after it) doesn't sound right no matter how many times I listen to it. The mapping does seem to match Miaso, but it sounds really awkward with the music. How about changing http://puu.sh/GEd to http://puu.sh/GEf? Thus, you would keep the first/second groups of notes the same but moving the third/fourth to the white tick. Then, repeat for the following measures until the end of Butterfly. (I won't be mad if you disagree, but it sounds really strange)
05:36:739 (1,2,1,1,1) - Kinda strange to start using streams of 5 notes when the same musical pattern only had four back at 05:00:034, but it's up to you.
05:49:445 - Perhaps end kiai on the downbeat (here) instead?
07:03:290 - Expected kiai to end here, but it's up to you.

[Marathon]
*Add the uninherited section at 01:13:702 (found in Taiko). Since uninherited (bpm) sections affect things such as the flashing on the main menu, and there is definitely a new bpm here, there should be an uninherited section to match. (It doesn't matter that there's a break)
*I feel that the storyboard could look a bit more professional. The black bars on the top/bottom of many backgrounds look bad, especially when fading from one to the next. I really suggest that you try cropping the ones that are of a strange size or try scaling them larger in the storyboard.
03:29:186 - End kiai here.
05:39:563 - It's a bit silly to have a couple of measures without kiai, a couple with, a couple without, etc. Why not just have one big kiai section from 05:36:741 to 05:48:034?
06:22:161 - Expected a note here.

Lemmie know when you update and I'll gladly rebubble.
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