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F THIS MAP IM SHAKING SO HARD
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I love how this issue seems to have gained more public interest in the past few months.
While i don't wanna make this thing a whole 5-6 Page disscussion again, i still think that there is a lot to learn when it comes to the approach of CTB Specifics, their spreads, and their Hyperdash-Usage. I know we all have our preference when it comes to playing and mapping the songs we like.
While Mappers have all the creative freedom to express themselfs through their maps....i would still think that if your goal is to get a map ranked, then you should also try to align with the demands/needs of the community. That doesn't means that your creation has to be altered that terribly. But having everything follow excessively hyperheavy patterns that are totally unnecesary to emphasize the music is not really something anyone wants (atleast not in this abundance)
And since most of us here on the forum/ingame Chat & Top500 Playerbase are quite acquainted to each other...we often seem to forget the secluded unvocal minority that still have their grudges about present events but that aren't to involved with the active scene...or that don't care enough to put effort into changing it.
And while its true that "If you don't like it, then do it yourself" is the best approach to change things to the better. Breaching the barrier is not something that people seem to be that interested/invested in. But i hope that whenever the CTB Editor will be finished that, that will change.
I love how this issue seems to have gained more public interest in the past few months.
While i don't wanna make this thing a whole 5-6 Page disscussion again, i still think that there is a lot to learn when it comes to the approach of CTB Specifics, their spreads, and their Hyperdash-Usage. I know we all have our preference when it comes to playing and mapping the songs we like.
While Mappers have all the creative freedom to express themselfs through their maps....i would still think that if your goal is to get a map ranked, then you should also try to align with the demands/needs of the community. That doesn't means that your creation has to be altered that terribly. But having everything follow excessively hyperheavy patterns that are totally unnecesary to emphasize the music is not really something anyone wants (atleast not in this abundance)
And since most of us here on the forum/ingame Chat & Top500 Playerbase are quite acquainted to each other...we often seem to forget the secluded unvocal minority that still have their grudges about present events but that aren't to involved with the active scene...or that don't care enough to put effort into changing it.
And while its true that "If you don't like it, then do it yourself" is the best approach to change things to the better. Breaching the barrier is not something that people seem to be that interested/invested in. But i hope that whenever the CTB Editor will be finished that, that will change.
mappers map for the community, but why would we map things that we don't like ourselves? If the community wants maps, then they should map for themselves.
as a followup, here's something I got from evilelvis's userpage. It really accurately describes how I feel, even though it's used for standard:
as a followup, here's something I got from evilelvis's userpage. It really accurately describes how I feel, even though it's used for standard:
EvilElvis wrote:
Personally i dislike the whole idea of "mapping meta" and believe that when you map a song map should be different from other maps you or somebody whenever mapped, what means that i dislike MOST of the maps ever created (including even my own maps actually).
I believe that mapping is something really personal, whenever you make a map you make it according to what you find suitable with exceptions when you simply meem about sum shit and randomly shitting rounds and sticks around playfield, but even in this kind of moments thats something YOU do, not somebody else. What, however, doesn't means anything you do is good and can't be criticized by others. You should be open to criticism, otherwise you easily can call yourself stupid douchebag and end your existence at this happy note.
Thus, mappers shouldn't be treated like people who map for community/some part of community/peppy himself/Jesus Christ/your mom/etc. They map (at least i hope they do) for their own sort of j o y and if you dislike some certain mapping styles/maps/mom's spaghetti this fucking not allows you to shit on people because they mapped something you disliked, even if there is many people who think in the same way with you. Sure you can state what you disliked and defend your statement if there is people who argue with you, but never try to shame somebody only because you disliked map they did, because if you do that means yours only destination is nasty sex with dirty donkey.
Other thing i wanted to state is 'problem' of circlejerk between BNs and popular mappers.
Seriously what is fucking wrong with people who think that they can't rank their shit because all these scumbags-popular-mappers took attention of BNs? There is fucking 68 BNs at the moment, do you really think it's possible to take all attention of this number of people? Moreover, what is wrong with being popular in any community? Like for real, if mapper became popular they DID something for this and if you can't rank your shit it probably means you're too lazy or map you made is a fucking pile of shit nobody want to touch, not that you're not enough famous to rank your maps. As for friendship between people who map and people who can rank their maps, look, whats wrong with helping friend of yours? That's only natural to help somebody you like, come on. So, if you want to rank your maps, stop be envious and fucking map better, with some experience and input into developing your mapping style you'll easily could rank your creations, you're not worse than any popular mapper, they just have more experience than you.
And the last one, but not least is beatmap nominators and what they do.
Okay, first of all i was BN (maybe i wasn't a good BN, but this not connected to the topic) so i know how shit works. I beg you, stop thinking that BNs SHOULD icon your map and if they don't touching it system doesn't works. BNship isn't a paid role and amount of icons certain BN can give fully depends on their will. Being BN not a fucking job, come on. You can say 'kek dud if you're bn it's easier for you to rank shit kek BN have privileges lo' and fucking yes, they have them, but they did their best to became BN, they have REACHED this status and complaining about this only shows how stupid you are.
I agree fullheartidly with that quoute, even though im not following through on its Statements at all.
Because i still believe that, even with the freedom of YOUR OWN creative Outlet, aswell as the deserving respect you should get for it.
The Ranking Process and its "purpose" should not clash with each other. Have all the enjoyment you want with your mapping.
But don't create something that stagnates within your preferences, if you've done the same "kind/style" of map over and over again.
It may be convenioned and its your field of expertiece, but overall it will just be another string of straw thats being thrown into the bale.
There is a reason why Avalon No Oka & Axion , Perpeetum Mobile and many other maps are still being brought up...They did something unique
which made them memorable. and i want to have that "woooah-Moment" way more in the future :3
Scaling for Difficulty and using Hyperchains more an more often will never make a map more memorable, just infamous for its heavy usage...and for some just its PP-Output, because they just played it once to be done, and then never touch it again.
Because i still believe that, even with the freedom of YOUR OWN creative Outlet, aswell as the deserving respect you should get for it.
The Ranking Process and its "purpose" should not clash with each other. Have all the enjoyment you want with your mapping.
But don't create something that stagnates within your preferences, if you've done the same "kind/style" of map over and over again.
It may be convenioned and its your field of expertiece, but overall it will just be another string of straw thats being thrown into the bale.
and believe that when you map a song map should be different from other maps you or somebody whenever mappedWhat you yourself, aswell as the community wants are unique new experiences that'll be memorable for how they've changed your "perception"
There is a reason why Avalon No Oka & Axion , Perpeetum Mobile and many other maps are still being brought up...They did something unique
which made them memorable. and i want to have that "woooah-Moment" way more in the future :3
Scaling for Difficulty and using Hyperchains more an more often will never make a map more memorable, just infamous for its heavy usage...and for some just its PP-Output, because they just played it once to be done, and then never touch it again.
What you yourself, aswell as the community wants are unique new experiences that'll be memorable for how they've changed your "perception"This set by monstrata is perfect example of what I personally think the CTB and every community needs from mappers. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/493273
There is a reason why Avalon No Oka & Axion , Perpeetum Mobile and many other maps are still being brought up...They did something unique
which made them memorable. and i want to have that "woooah-Moment" way more in the future :3
Edit: I didn't elaborate why, but the reason why is because it provides multiple new styles that haven't been seen before, is catered to all types of players, and actually has depth behind the mapping. Props to monstrata for making such a masterpiece.
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Monstrata gives me a lot of inspiration to map because they can produce some of the most clever maps when they put their mind to it.chickenbible wrote:
This set by monstrata is perfect example of what I personally think the CTB and every community needs from mappers. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/493273
Edit: I didn't elaborate why, but the reason why is because it provides multiple new styles that haven't been seen before, is catered to all types of players, and actually has depth behind the mapping. Props to monstrata for making such a masterpiece.
But it's not just creativity thats lacking and the amount of mappers, we might have more creative mappers get maps ranked if there were more modders as well and BNs.
There's a mindset that maps should be mapped a certain way that is a bit damaging to our community, as well as the others, that is preventing creativity as well as the game itself being limiting as well in how you can map.
Make CS0 rankable k thxZak wrote:
Let's rank some CS2 Overdoses
I have like 4 CS2 overdoses out there lol one of which is close to being rankedKagari wrote:
Zak wrote:
Let's rank some CS2 Overdoses
Thats isn't really true, there are always parameters of atleast gauging the "quality" of a specific piece of art.T e n y o wrote:
maps are subjective believe it or not
it be like showing you a painting from a 3year old and a picasso picture, you could still say you like the color choices in the childs drawing more.
But technique-wise there is no real argument why you would prefer the childs picture
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There's a clear difference between subjectivity and quality, though. You can have a great map, but it won't meet the quality standard of ranking criteria just as you can have a quality map but it won't meet the subjective standard of the player.T e n y o wrote:
maps are subjective believe it or not
All maps are shit.
Way easier like that
Way easier like that
Lol, the reason I play for the song not for the difficulty or how much pp it givesKrah wrote:
All maps are shit.
Way easier like that
Much easier to like a map if you like the song.Ibuki Mioda wrote:
Lol, the reason I play for the song not for the difficulty or how much pp it givesKrah wrote:
All maps are shit.
Way easier like that
Couldn't agree more
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You must be new here. PP is love, PP is skill, PP is life. Playing for fun is for beginners.Ibuki Mioda wrote:
Lol, the reason I play for the song not for the difficulty or how much pp it givesKrah wrote:
All maps are shit.
Way easier like that
You must be new here. PP is love, PP is skill, PP is life. Playing for fun is for beginners.[/quote]Ibuki Mioda wrote:
Lol, the reason I play for the song not for the difficulty or how much pp it givesKrah wrote:
All maps are shit.
Way easier like that
Nah after playing nearly 3 years of CTB you tend to not care about pp anymore since the maps have became all pp and ranks and no enjoyability. Rather play a 2-4 star that gives zero pp but plays well, than a 5-9 star that you have to retry over and over just to listen to the whole song.
Except 2-4 stars are the maps you have to retry a lot because of some retarded pattern while the rest of the map is boring af. Meanwhile 7-9 play super well but oh no, a good map gives pp? suddenly it's shit.Ibuki Mioda wrote:
Nah after playing nearly 3 years of CTB you tend to not care about pp anymore since the maps have became all pp and ranks and no enjoyability. Rather play a 2-4 star that gives zero pp but plays well, than a 5-9 star that you have to retry over and over just to listen to the whole song.
It's natural to get bored of a video game after playing it a ton, just move on. No shitty excuses.
Unrelated: #FREERAMPAGE
Retry? Nah I rarely retry unless I'm doing mods thst haven't been done before on older maps. Never have issues with any as long as it's been properly timed and not rushed out because of how popular the mapper is.PakaChan wrote:
Except 2-4 stars are the maps you have to retry a lot because of some retarded pattern while the rest of the map is boring af. Meanwhile 7-9 play super well but oh no, a good map gives pp? suddenly it's shit.Ibuki Mioda wrote:
Nah after playing nearly 3 years of CTB you tend to not care about pp anymore since the maps have became all pp and ranks and no enjoyability. Rather play a 2-4 star that gives zero pp but plays well, than a 5-9 star that you have to retry over and over just to listen to the whole song.
It's natural to get bored of a video game after playing it a ton, just move on. No shitty excuses.
Unrelated: #FREERAMPAGE
Majority of what people talk about in here is mapping for some reason
Because people are unsatisfied, plus there is not much else interesting to talk about.Colin wrote:
Majority of what people talk about in here is mapping for some reason
Competition between people is kinda semi-dead. and just posting Score-Screenshots all the time is also not that interesting..
soooo, yea.
The "Loved" Category thing we got now seems promosing, I'm glad that they're actually sticking to a voting system to ensure
quality gimmick/unrankable maps instead of making it an easier option for mappers with lazy designs & high difficulty
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I'm excited for the Loved category. It might bring some more attention to bad beatmaps
I'm excited for the Hated category. It might bring some more attention to meme beatmaps
I'm excited for the love category.it might bring good unranked CTB maps
Nope you're wrong , my maps won't be loved but they are bad as hell :pTenshichan wrote:
I'm excited for the Loved category. It might bring some more attention to bad beatmaps