Regraz wrote:

senpai pls notice me

1. Your Reimu BG will trigger me until the end of time.

1. Whenever drum-hitwhistle2.wav is used, it sounds overly loud compared to any other sound. Consider lowering the volume of this sound. (One of the most prominent times that it seemed to distract from the rest of the hitsounds / song itself was at 02:01:490 - )
2. Guitar wise, moving 01:41:883 - to 01:41:455 - would work better than following the vocals at 01:41:883 - which don't really feel like they warrant a double. It would also be aesthetically similar to 01:39:848 - but who cares about aesthetics these days.
3. 02:48:740 - Moving this circle inbetween 02:48:419 - and 02:48:848 - would give the sense of a "down, up, down" pattern a bit more, as well as making the 1/4 pattern not mistakable for a 1/2 pattern. Like 00:39:210 - . Also because every other 1/4 pattern like this has had similar stacking to what I suggested. Like in the later kiai, at 05:03:846 - .
4. Since I pointed out the previous one, I will point out that 05:14:989 - follows the same kind of pattern I am talking about.

Ayyri wrote:

hi mom

[General]

1. Your Reimu BG will trigger me until the end of time.

[Rhetoric]

1. Whenever drum-hitwhistle2.wav is used, it sounds overly loud compared to any other sound. Consider lowering the volume of this sound. (One of the most prominent times that it seemed to distract from the rest of the hitsounds / song itself was at 02:01:490 - ) Reduced the volume.
2. Guitar wise, moving 01:41:883 - to 01:41:455 - would work better than following the vocals at 01:41:883 - which don't really feel like they warrant a double. It would also be aesthetically similar to 01:39:848 - but who cares about aesthetics these days. Yea, good idea. Changed it like how you suggested.
3. 02:48:740 - Moving this circle inbetween 02:48:419 - and 02:48:848 - would give the sense of a "down, up, down" pattern a bit more, as well as making the 1/4 pattern not mistakable for a 1/2 pattern. Like 00:39:210 - . Also because every other 1/4 pattern like this has had similar stacking to what I suggested. Like in the later kiai, at 05:03:846 - . I don't really like spaced triplets in-between sliders. Also, this is pretty easy to read. Context is important here, and I think knowing the pacing and jumps i've already used here, it won't be confusing to identify this as a 1/4 jump. Well, honestly I wouldn't call it a 1/4 jmp anyways, since there's so much slider-leniency involved that the pattern just plays smoothly xD.
4. Since I pointed out the previous one, I will point out that 05:14:989 - follows the same kind of pattern I am talking about. Same here. There's a lot of context provided for this pattern, it won't be misread as 1/2. As well, the flow of the sliders direct the player to the circle naturally too, so players can take full advantage of slider-leniency here.

There isn't too much to say, but forced M4M occured.

-himei wrote:

Rhetoric
I know this gonna make you change the following constructions, tho i had to pinpoint this out:
01:02:139 (7) - i guess this http://puu.sh/qVbQn/a1b3cca5d6.jpg should be like this http://puu.sh/qVbZi/3e133faec3.jpg ? No... this is a Ctrl+H'ed version of the slider you selected. Why do they have to be parallel?
01:26:996 (2) - this http://puu.sh/qVc6W/82f09884bf.jpg to this http://puu.sh/qVc8f/94a90fa132.jpg This is a different pattern entirely... If you look at it from that angle yes, its off. But look at it from when these objects are viewed in game. The grid pattern shifts due to blanket sliders being stacked. Blanketted sliders are not going to be the same length as linear sliders so when I use blanket sliders in hex-grid placements, the grid shifts a bit. In gme everything looks fine, but of course if you look hard enough in editor you see these irregularities. I don't plan on doing anything about them because they are intended, and I've already mapped and placed everything in a way that these irregularies are never actually seen in gameplay.
01:26:567 (1) - ^ ^
01:30:853 (3) - http://puu.sh/qVcjd/931657cd44.jpg move it a bit eh? Why? The overlap is barely even visible in editor, let alone in game...
01:37:276 (3,5) - http://puu.sh/qVcs3/42b324640c.jpg ^ Moved 1 a few pixels up isntead.
01:39:848 (6) - http://puu.sh/qVcxK/efae81faa1.jpg ^ Blanketting with hex grid does that. If you highlight it you might see it, but its perfectly fine in game. Please consider the context instead of just highlighting any part... Can you see these placement inconsistencies in game? No.
01:59:348 (2) - ^ ^
02:01:276 (3) - move this a bit to the 02:01:276 (3) - (it makes sense obv) with a bit of restructure to the following notes (obviously) ^
02:24:633 (4) - http://puu.sh/qVd45/e46e466b8a.jpg ^ ^ No...
02:32:562 (3,4) - this should be a bit to the top http://puu.sh/qVd8R/367d8f2567.jpg Why? What does making it linear do? The idea here is a symmetrical blanket pattern, not a linear pattern with the circles and sliderends...
02:41:562 (4) - why this here? http://puu.sh/qVden/937c9f6120.jpg ^ Linear pattern with 3's slider-end and 1's slider-head. Not everything needs to be a symmetrical pattern either.
02:47:990 (3) - make this just straight horizontal? Why?
02:47:990 (3) - move the s-end to s-start here? 02:52:276 (1) - Why? Makes no sense to me...
03:11:348 (2) - move it like this? http://puu.sh/qVduc/a80683526b.jpg < No... This whole second kiai is a square-grid patterning. I don't want to include triangles especially not here .
03:11:776 (4) - this like here? http://puu.sh/qVdB2/e65cf951bf.jpg ^ You're completely missing the aesthetic of this section...
and the next things should me a bit moved as well (consequently)
03:16:705 (3) - move this a bit to the bottom No...
03:41:562 (4) - ^ (03:41:990 (1) - consequently this should be straight vertical) Why? What does making it vertical even do?
03:41:990 (1) - ???????? http://puu.sh/qVdYJ/85e9e5eec4.jpg ???????? Wrong time stamp? But again, please consider context first...
04:04:276 (1) - http://puu.sh/qVe3P/f36f465f05.jpg ^ No clue what you mean here...
04:58:703 (4) - http://puu.sh/qVeer/d22c5713d7.jpg ^ What's wrong here? Placement is equidistant...
05:02:132 (5) - http://puu.sh/qVejK/657f8d0fee.jpg ^ No clue what you mean here...
05:06:846 (4,5) - and 05:06:418 (2,3) - 90* between them? Why 90 degrees? I want to use triangle jumps here...
05:17:989 (1) - this looks weird in connection with 05:16:703 (3) - Looks fine... I don't see what the issue is. They are also on different measures, different combo's, and dont even follow the same rhythm so I don't see why they need to be that interconnected even. The flow-break from the stream into the slider should give an indication of distinction and difference if anything...
so yea thats it!
this map is almost perfect, so i tried a bit harder to find all of these things i mentioned above

Ayyri wrote:

Your Reimu BG will trigger me until the end of time.

1. 00:23:568 (3) - Hmm what about making this a bit more straight for aesthetics? It's not changing the pattern tho. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6023015 It looks much better for me than being so curvy...
2. 00:30:424 (2) - Fix this blanket if you meant to blanket it xP
3. 00:58:924 (4) - What about putting this a bit lower for emphasizing this 00:59:139 (1) -
4. 01:10:710 (4) - Blanket's off. (3 pixels? XD)
5. 03:50:026 (4,5) - What about stacking these with slider end to avoid overlapping with 03:51:205 (3,4) - .
6. 04:25:705 - Lowering the sound here would be better to fit the music?

William K wrote:

I'll try modding ur's XD

[Rhetoric]

1. 00:23:568 (3) - Hmm what about making this a bit more straight for aesthetics? It's not changing the pattern tho. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6023015 It looks much better for me than being so curvy... No, I like this better.
2. 00:30:424 (2) - Fix this blanket if you meant to blanket it xP ok
3. 00:58:924 (4) - What about putting this a bit lower for emphasizing this 00:59:139 (1) - Emphasizing with flowbreak.
4. 01:10:710 (4) - Blanket's off. (3 pixels? XD)ok
5. 03:50:026 (4,5) - What about stacking these with slider end to avoid overlapping with 03:51:205 (3,4) - .No, i want them spaced like that. The overlap is not even visible in game play, they're too far apart in time.
6. 04:25:705 - Lowering the sound here would be better to fit the music?No, music isn't softer there... Only after the break.

Hope these helps :V

Btw it's bubbled ._. Nevermind this then xD

those wrote:

Did nobody else notice that the bpm should be 70 here?

those wrote:

Did nobody else notice that the bpm should be 70 here?

[-Chocola-] wrote:

those wrote:

Did nobody else notice that the bpm should be 70 here?

Why not?

those wrote:

You're right, but did you know that 280bpm would also work? Just listening to the preview and take note of when the bass and snare kick in, and you'll see that the bpm is 70. There was a case in the past where I had to explain this but am somehow unable to find it for reference, but I hope that won't be necessary.

Monstrata wrote:

fits the song's structure better

Monstrata wrote:

Hmm... @Evening I think your assumption is that a recurring instrumental sequence = a measure being repeated. As in, A A B B if this were a rhyme scheme. But I think its AB AB CD CD.

Monstrata wrote:

The only differences between 70 and 140 bpm is the kiai flashes and the main menu pulse, and while Bonsai believes it's too fast, I think it's just right.

Sieg wrote:

Mainly it affects additional beats intensity for the nightcore mode, also some minor effects like pulsing in main menu, intensity of kiai flashes, etc.

Shiirn wrote:

Like, 140bpm is functional here, because the musical structure is very clean and even... etc...

Gaia wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/3918657

nothing is being abused here either, please just let the mapper express his map the way he wants to

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Uninherited (red) Timing Sections should be used to accurately map the song's timing. They should synchronize to the beats of the song as accurately as possible and use the correct time signature whenever possible. If an incorrect time signature would last for more than 2 bars, add another timing section to fix it. Please see this thread for more information on downbeats.

Monstrata wrote:

Well, I'm 100% sure its 140 bpm. I'm aware it can also be interpreted as 70 bpm, but for me, that doesn't capture the song, only a layer of the song. I'm sure we can agree that the actual timing of the song (snapping, whether its 35/70/140/280/560 bpm) is accurate. We disagree on what number to give it, and what subsequent snapping to give all objects in the map (whether they should be 1/4 or 1/8 etc...). The only differences between 70 and 140 bpm is the kiai flashes, Nightcore, and the main menu pulse, and while some people believes it's too fast, I think it's just right.

Monstrata wrote:

Structure first of all; as in the type of rhythms I employ, and their associated spacing, the sounds and rhythm choices that I follow, all of which suggest a 140 bpm style of mapping. This is the map's aspect, which is potentially artificial, as I could have mapped this to a 280 bpm style too. So let's consider the song now.

Structure too, in how the instruments and vocals interact, as well as the specific rhythms that are contained in each measure. Halving the NC rhythm in this map would be a good indicator of why the rhythm, and the density of the notes suggests 140 bpm. Of course, musically, all of for example 03:02:562 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - can be one measure on 70 bpm. But you would halve the NC. Your motivation for NC'ing may be because the combo's are too long, but probably, your motivation for NC'ing is because notes like 03:04:276 - are downbeats where an NC would fit. Consider where the vocals are stressed too, and how dense much of the map is, in terms of drums, and other instruments. This is the song's aspect.

Put them together, with the song itself suggesting 140 bpm, and the mapping reflecting this through rhythm choices, and mapping, and you see why this is 140 bpm.

I'm all for fixing stuff if It's worth fixing. I mean, I requested a DQ on my Inferno map even after alacat said the concerns brought up by the modder were valid, but not important enough to absolutely require a disqualification: p/5390054. I maintain the same stance with all my maps, because requalifying is simple for me, and i'm not in a position where I'm having trouble ranking my maps. But I genuinely believe this is 140 bpm.

Ayyri wrote:

I think that 70 bpm would really compliment the shine in Monstrata's light blue eyes.

But I also think that the 140 bpm would really capture the essence that is, Monstrata's golden blonde hair.

Irreversible wrote:

Isn't the BPM 35?
loljk