hello, played your agonizing insane since it's in my skill limit and I really like it .. just a few things i wanna point out. take with a grain of salt

01:00:690 (1,2,3,4) - In my opinion swaping the position of 1 with 4 would make that more fun and also prepare for the next sequence of jumps
01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - It feels weird going from a decent size triangle(1-2-3) to a smaller one (4-5-6) when the songs intensity is growing . Maybe make the 2nd bigger or invert them?

nice mapset

Monstrata wrote:

Painfully Easy: Me
Blistering Normal: Me
Traumatic Hard: Me
Agonizing Insane: Me
Excruciating Extra: Me
Tragic Death Extra: Me
Tortured Soul Extra: Me
The Eclipse: Me

lol

The Ecl
00:00:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I doubt these beats because I feel like you placed them too random.
00:00:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - for drum is like for guitar is like I dont want to point many of these because current might be fine, but it is kinda confusing because you are not follow any tracks.

to be honest I really dislike you put a fullscreen jump in this part, a bit too forced in my opinion.
you might make you last jump on 00:14:690 (2) - to have about 3.8 DS, I think that will be much more acceptable, and avoid hate votes

I suggest reduce DS to about 0.3x for these, 00:16:074 (1,2,3,4) - or even 0.2x to make the streams more fun to play.
same to 00:16:997 (1,2,3,4) - 00:19:766 (1,2,3,4) - 00:20:690 (1,2,3,4) -

00:31:459 (2) - this might be fine, but I am worrying someone might point out this later because of spacing mixed with 1/2 and 1/4.

01:02:536 (1,2) - the jump flow here is kinda weird because of you changed from anti-clockwise to clockwise. this might be better
01:05:613 (2) - the spacing change for this note is too big, I think it worth 1.2x above.

Tortured
good diff

Tragic
00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - here is much more hard than 01:03:459 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
which make no much sense, I think you should add some notes in the later section

Exc
01:25:613 (1,2,3,4) - shouldn't these be the same rhythm? 01:26:074 (5,6) -

Insane
good diff

Hard
nice, but according to your other diff, shouldn't this have higher od or lower ar? (od = ar - 0~0.5 )

Normal
nice

Easy
nice

free mod as always

[General]

1. Are you sure to keep these diffnames? xd why dont you make them into original one instead :s since you have 3 Extra, one should be Another and Expert.
3. Maybe add "tv size opening" to the tags? oh and, is guts, casca and griffith are the name of the characters on the bg? i think its not recommended to put their name in the tags but, are they the one who sings on this song?
4. Uncheck countdown on every diff and widescreen support on some diffs lol
5. Why no Kiai time :CC

[Easy]

1. 00:24:690 (1) - maybe you can move this to 376|371? so you can create a triangle without worrying 00:25:613 (2) - this overlapped with 00:23:766 (2) - 's sliderbody lol
2. 00:26:536 (1,2) - the borders are almost touched, might be possible to move 00:27:459 (2) - a bit to the up or down i guess?
3. 01:06:228 (2) - can you do the edges like what i mostly do? xDD i find this is more natural imo than "monotonic" edges lol
   SPOILER

   
4. 01:08:997 (1) - move a bit to the up? its touched with 01:07:151 (1) - 's tail :s
   
   lol i only pointed out some nazii things xd cuz its neat already lmao

[Normal]

1. 00:18:228 (3,4,5) - i think its a bit rush to do some 1/2 sliders here and its still in the intro anyways. why dont you follow the guitar sound here 00:18:228 - probably doing/placing some 1/1 slider would help
2. 00:37:613 (1) - maybe move this to 360|203? better triangle imo xD
3. 01:17:920 (3,1) - inconsistent spacing lol
   
   ah how to mod normal, im bad at modding normal diffs lol

[Hard]
What an illuminati SR

1. 00:00:690 (1,2) - nazi, blanket
2. 00:07:151 - a bit confusing imo, you put three 1/4 repeats in line without any recovery time, tho its a hard doesnt mean you have to go like this but im just pointing my opinion and wanted some small explaination c:
3. 00:15:766 (3,4) - etc... is this what they call linear flow? it doesnt flow that nice imo but idk, maybe ctrl+g some of them? xd
4. 00:16:382 (1,2) - the stack made these touched (a bit), move 00:16:536 (2,3) - manually to 307|125 so they wont touch each other and it'll fix the triangle there
5. 01:08:690 (4,2) - stack them? instead overlapping :s
6. 01:14:228 (3,1) - maybe you can do some emphasizing here but that would make the SR increased a bit xd
7. 01:24:074 (2,3,4,5,1) - Delta Decision irl
   
   not much i can found, tho i dont really like those linear flow thing

[Insane]
Are you sure with the AR8.5 and OD8.5? set to AR 9 and OD8 pls :C

1. 00:07:766 (3,1) - do some emphasize here, making (3)>(1) a jump would help players reading this part
2. 00:08:997 (2) - why suddenly become a "claustrophobia" slider ;c? it just looks... dont have any space left while you still have a lot of space in it xd
3. 00:24:382 (3,1) - emphasize this more i guess? since 00:24:690 - is a strong beat, maybe the spacing should be like 00:28:074 (6,1) - this cuz that spacing would fit nicely
4. 00:40:690 (1) - instead ignoring the drum, how about following it? like what you do on Exruciating Extra. I was expecting there will be a triples and such on that part
5. 01:26:536 (1) - you sure this is 1/3? the drum is 01:26:613 - here tho. i mean, i know you are following the guitar just like what you did on hard but why dont you follow the drum instead? you followed the drum before this, suddenly follows the guitar is just weird imo lol if its allowed, you can do this kind of rhythm i guess lol
   SPOILER

   
   
   Cool

[Exruciating Extra]Are you sure with the OD9 :s its still 5.5* tho

1. 00:36:689 (1,1,1) - can you make these objects into triangle but in an "open field"?, the 1/1 reading will completely ruined since before these 1/1, you put 1/4 streams. maybe placing them like what you do with 01:03:459 (1,2,3) - would help.
2. 00:50:228 (5,6) - i never do this cuz this would break the reading, pattern like this mostly in a mirrored way, 00:50:382 (6) - ctrl+g'ing this may help imo, just like what you did on 00:18:843 (9,10) -
3. oh yea, concerning about 01:03:459 - this part. why did you suddenly follow the vocal instead the drums?
4. 01:27:613 (2,5,7) - imperfect triangle xD move 01:28:074 (5) - this to 220|166 so it can be a neat triangle c:

waw pretty nice set as always, go go speedrank /
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Hope it Helps, sensei. Good Luck!

M4M









ok that's it a pretty cool mapset,gl for quick ranking!

Hi Mr Monstrata! from your queue~
My map for the M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/469141

(its still sort of a work in progress, waiting on a GD so I apologize for that)

I'm only going to be modding the hardest difficulties since I'm not really good at modding lower diffs.


Man these difficulty names are just too relatable

• [General]

1. This was mentioned in a previous mod but, countdown and widescreen support
   
2. Also mentioned in another mod, no kiai feels weird :/
   
3. I know you said something about the background contest thing, so i wont mention that :p you can look through the albums i entered for a good one hehehe

• [The Eclipse]
  Overview

1. OD10 with cross screen jumps and CS5? I know this show is about suffering but have some mercy ;-;
   
2. If you take out these following jumps, the SR goes from 7.5 to 6.6, those jumps seem solely in there for the purpose of raising the SR.
   00:04:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
   00:06:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
   00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
   00:29:305 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
   00:59:767 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
   01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
   It's not really necessary to have giant jump spam throughout most of the map, imo the jumps at the very end are fine, just for a TV size map. Having 15 seconds of it raise it by a full star seems kinda ridiculous. I'm more specifically looking at this 00:59:767 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - This puts the map up from 6.8 stars to 7.5... without a real huge change in pitch too.
   
   Specific mods
   
3. 00:04:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I know the guitar changes pitch in this part, but I don't think the DS increase in these jumps need to be so drastic, especially since its not that big of a change from the last set of jumps.
   
4. 00:06:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^, I would tone these down just a tad if anything, to keep the intensity while still making it playable.
   
5. 00:14:536 (1,2,3) - Instead of having cross screen jumps here i would map the drums in the background, since you seem to be following the snare buildup in the drums before this.
   
6. 00:33:459 (4,5,6) - Add a note in between 4 and 5 and delete 6, there isn't anything on 6.
   
7. 00:33:920 (1,2,3) - A bit odd since you map the part that sounds the same right after following the guitar part / snare.
   
8. 00:43:152 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Triangle memes
   
9. 01:02:536 (1,2,3,4) - Something like this can get the full drum part and sound better.

• [Tortured Soul Extra]
  Just a small note, I think renaming the diff name to Tortured Soul Extreme would fit better, having 2 other extras already.

1. 00:23:151 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - I think putting a note 00:23:382 - here would make this feel less awkward, since as it is now it really sounds weird to me.
   
   Not much else I can really say about this diff, looks really nice.

• [Tragic Death Extra]
  A lot different than a tragic love extra hehe

1. 00:24:997 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I think i mentioned this in the last diff but I think a note in between 2 and 3 sounds less awkward.
   
2. 00:37:613 (1,1,1,1,1) - I'm not a fan of the NCs here seeing as its still following the same general sound but, I can see how you were going for the emphasis on the notes with the NCs
   
3. 00:40:690 (1) - Not too sure as to what this follows here... This should be a triplet slider on 00:40:843 - If anything. And i would add a circle 00:40:690 - here to keep the flow by following the ride cymbal for a bit. (It might be following the bassline but I'm just not 100%... I don't hear it)

• [Excruciating Extra]

1. 01:03:459 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - This part felt kinda boring considering the intensity of the song, I think maybe these should be sliders to correspond with the other extra diffs.
   
   Again, not much to say in this diff, looks great.

Well that's all from me, sorry for the short-ish mod :/

Looks awesome! Good luck ranking!! PS. I don't think I'll get the chance to say this again but I LOOOOOVED your aspire map

ok, m4m







Ok I know i am kinda harsh and short on this mod, but what i could see is i am not confident on the playability and quality on this map, especially the 2 highest diffs, I am not sure did you ask someone for testplaying this map but for now, I might remod if testplays shows this map is 100% playable

If you think that my mod is kinda rude or unhelpful, feel free to reject my kds and m4m request

good luck~

i too identify as an edgy diff name

[General]
well if you do end up keeping this bg pink doesn't really fit as a combo color lol
>breaks in tv size aaaaaa

[Easy]
00:43:459 - the break somewhere around here kinda just seems random and just the result of an ar change so u might want to fix that z

[Normal]
01:10:843 (1,2,3) - aaa why don't you follow same aesthetic as like 01:12:690 (1,2,3) - it looks nicer z

[Hard]
00:26:536 (1,2,1,2) - m the thing that bothers me here is that the the 1/1 repeat of 1 seems to give emphasis to the vocal, it doesn't follow the guitar(?) like the 1/2 sliders do. It's weird that there's like unique emphasis to the vocals (which I'm assuming it's going off of) but then the other vocal similar to it on the very next downbeat is mapped differently rhythmically z
00:31:459 (2) - why not do like a circle and 1/2 slider here cuz the repeat is real strong compared to the start and end lo
00:33:920 (1) - aaa I get that you might want to do it for rhythm variance or sth but like, it would feel a lot more satisfying to actually click the beats like 00:34:843 (1,2,3) - did

[Insane]
00:55:766 (3) - t b h I would expect this to have the largest spacing since it's a pretty prominent drum that comes out of like a bunch of guitar stuff lol (but you'll probably keep it since I saw it was stacked on top of 00:54:690 (1) - lol)

[first Extra]
01:17:305 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - aa do you want people to break after everything ;w;

[tragic]
01:10:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - lol ik you said point out the major things but this isn't straight cuz stacking propertiessss, also same for 01:12:382 (1,2,3,4,5,1) -

[tortured]
mm just wondering why is there like pauses in the streams in the beginning and not the end? to me they sound basically the same, so it's kinda weird that you decided to use pauses at the start and just directional changes to the end stream. (also i noticed that u basically mapped it the way I expected in the highest diff so why not do that? the pauses seem rly inconsistent :/\/\/\)
00:18:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - regardless, this compared to 01:20:997 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - when they're pretty similar (guitar goes to a real high pitch) is pretty zz since like the latter is SUPER spaced and the thing at the start isn't rly spaced at all z

[pp]
00:31:613 (3,4,5,1) - lol that whole stacking thing I mentioned on tragic
01:15:459 (1,2,1) - This doesn't rly fit since you've been like, making this vocal part pretty simplistic rhythm-wise, the inclusion of 1/2 here kinda just seems random
Well at least the stream w/ the high guitar pitch thing is kinda similar 2 each other since they both have larger spacing than normal for them lol

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hi hi monstrata, from your m4m queue-
[Easy]

1. not much to say here, it’s a fine diff. some blankets could use some minor tweaking, like at 00:02:536 (1,2) – where the (2) is slightly curved too much, and I was wondering about why you manually ended the break early, since the other diffs don’t do this
   
   SPOILER

   please explain
   
2. 01:00:382 (2,3) – I’m not 100% sure about having the downbeat at 01:00:690 – be a slider end; it feels kind of lacking in emphasis compared to a clickable downbeat like what you did at 00:11:766 (1,2,1,2) – . since these are essentially the same music composition, making one downbeat clickable and the other downbeat on a slider end makes one have less impact than the other, but that’s just my opinion

[Normal]

1. essentially the same comment from Easy about prettying up some of your blankets, like at 00:31:766 (3,2) – as an example.
2. 01:12:690 (1,3) – I’m not sure if this is just me, but it looks like the circle here is a little off. Why not try moving the (3) to somewhere around x376 | y228 ? you’re probably going to have to reposition the next few notes though :v
3. tl;dr the diff is fine except for a few subjective aesthetic stuff ok

[Hard]

1. 00:10:843 (4,5) – you probably know what I’m about to say based on the first point for the previous two diffs so I’ll stop pointing these out
2. 00:08:074 (1,2,3,4) - 00:56:074 (1,2,1,2) – have different combo consistency despite being the same musical composition so making them consistent would be nice
3. 00:13:920 (2,3,4,5) – and 01:24:074 (2,3,4,5) – seem like the most intense parts of this diff since it’s four consecutive circles. it’s probably fine, but maybe you might want to consider toning this down by just a little bit? maybe you could swap out the last two circles with a 1/2 slider

[Insane]

1. 01:11:613 – maybe you could add a circle here kind of like how you added one at 01:13:459 (3) - ?

[Excruciating]

1. 00:05:920 (6,1) – I’m a little concerned about the distance between these two notes, since the (1) seems kind of far away from the (6) for a 1/4 gap, since 00:02:228 (6,1) – does a similar thing but has a much smaller distance between those two notes. maybe consider moving 00:06:228 (1) – closer to 00:05:920 (6) – ? alternatively you could change the angle of the (6) so that the slider end points towards the (1) to help lead the player from the (6) to the (1)
2. 00:36:689 (1) – your extras are the only diffs in the set that have a new combo this note, whereas your lower diffs don’t. quite frankly, I think choosing not to NC here works more effectively to highlight the upcoming bass line. applies to your other Extras as well
3. 00:48:382 (9,1) – kind of a similar point to the first point I mentioned for this difff

[Tragic Death]

1. 01:21:613 (9,10,11,12,1) – not really sure why you’d want the player to decelerate here since this is the only time during this final stream where the player has to decelerate their movement speed. the music is just as intense, so the decrease in movement here seems kind of random to me. it'd make more sense to decelerate when the stream is ending, but it isn't here

[Tortured Soul]

1. 00:52:074 (3) – I’d consider Ctrl + G on this slider since the distance between 00:51:766 (2,3) – seems a little high that it could result in some frustrating slider breaks
   
2. 01:26:228 (4) – similar to the previous point I made about considering Ctrl + G-ing this slider

[Eclipse]

1. 00:14:536 (1,2,3) – comparing the build up here to this triangle, this seems overly exaggerated which was probably what you were going for. either way, with the spacing of the current build up, I don’t think there’s enough momentum to warrant such extreme jumps. I recommend either nerfing this jump, or buffing 00:11:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) – so that the momentum generated here makes that last jump pattern easier to land

hope this helps!

M4M : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479160

[Painfully Easy]

1. 01:12:997 (2,3) - The flow's kinda edgy and this is the only place in the diff where you did this, I think using a smoother flow + maybe some symmetry stuff would be better as there's nothing to reflect from the song with this kind of flow.

[Blistering Normal]

1. 01:10:843 (1) - Flip this maybe for a better symmetry with 01:11:766 (3) and also 01:12:690 (1,3) .
2. 01:21:613 (4) - Bending the tail towards the head of 01:21:920 (1) a bit? Since most of your stuff had tails towards the the heads like 01:19:151 (3,4,1,2,3) .

[Traumatized Hard]

1. 00:06:228 (1) - Minor but Ctrl+G'ing this would make it easier to land on it from 00:05:920 (3) . Since 00:02:228 (3,1) - 00:04:074 (3,1) both have a 1.30 spacing so why not.
2. 00:53:613 (2,1) - A pixel overlap but who cares.

[Agonizing Insane]

1. 00:17:766 (3) - Can you avoid this overlap from 00:16:997 (4,5,6,7,1) ? Imo it could be more neat and a bit easier to read if that's possible as 01:19:766 (4,5,6,7,1,3) has a same rhythm but it's a lot neater.
2. 00:41:305 (1) - Ctrl+G maybe since it would be neater if both 00:41:305 (1,4) have the head and tails in the same direction.
3. 00:55:151 (1,2,3) - Make these a slider or something? Since you made 00:55:151 (1,2,3) in Excruciating Extra so it's kinda like this is easier to read in that Extra compared to this Insane.

[Tragic Death Extra]

1. Yeah I didn't check all of these but at least some of them are unsnapped by a few ms.
2. 00:55:151 (1,1,1) - Kinda curious why you NC'd only this diff since the spacing alone should be obvious enough for 1/1 circle here.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

1. 01:28:382 (1) - Why did you put NC here when you didn't put any in other diffs?

Ok hope this helps~ Good luck and thanks in advance!

omg 8 fucking mods

EDIT: i killed it

Shad0w1and wrote:

The Ecl
00:00:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I doubt these beats because I feel like you placed them too random.
00:00:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - for drum is like

SPOILER

for guitar is like

SPOILER

I dont want to point many of these because current might be fine, but it is kinda confusing because you are not follow any tracks. Redid the rhythm!

to be honest I really dislike you put a fullscreen jump in this part, a bit too forced in my opinion.
you might make you last jump on 00:14:690 (2) - to have about 3.8 DS, I think that will be much more acceptable, and avoid hate votes Replaced with slider.

I suggest reduce DS to about 0.3x for these, 00:16:074 (1,2,3,4) - or even 0.2x to make the streams more fun to play.
same to 00:16:997 (1,2,3,4) - 00:19:766 (1,2,3,4) - 00:20:690 (1,2,3,4) - I want a consistent DS here so the main focus is on aiming the stream.

00:31:459 (2) - this might be fine, but I am worrying someone might point out this later because of spacing mixed with 1/2 and 1/4. This is fine imo.

01:02:536 (1,2) - the jump flow here is kinda weird because of you changed from anti-clockwise to clockwise. this might be better Made it a slider anyways.

SPOILER

01:05:613 (2) - the spacing change for this note is too big, I think it worth 1.2x above. I think this is fine.

Tortured
good diff

Tragic
00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - here is much more hard than 01:03:459 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
which make no much sense, I think you should add some notes in the later section It would sound overmapped. Here it's all 1/1 rhythm so i use slider spam.

Exc
01:25:613 (1,2,3,4) - shouldn't these be the same rhythm? 01:26:074 (5,6) - Rhythm variance~

Insane
good diff

Hard
nice, but according to your other diff, shouldn't this have higher od or lower ar? (od = ar - 0~0.5 ) Sure

Normal
nice

Easy
nice

Thanks for the mod!

Haruto wrote:

free mod as always

[General]

1. Are you sure to keep these diffnames? xd why dont you make them into original one instead :s since you have 3 Extra, one should be Another and Expert. Theyre cool
3. Maybe add "tv size opening" to the tags? oh and, is guts, casca and griffith are the name of the characters on the bg? i think its not recommended to put their name in the tags but, are they the one who sings on this song? Sure
4. Uncheck countdown on every diff and widescreen support on some diffs lol okay
5. Why no Kiai time :CC I think its better without kiai... but lemme think about it more.

[Easy]

1. 00:24:690 (1) - maybe you can move this to 376|371? so you can create a triangle without worrying 00:25:613 (2) - this overlapped with 00:23:766 (2) - 's sliderbody lol I think the strcture here is fine xD.
2. 00:26:536 (1,2) - the borders are almost touched, might be possible to move 00:27:459 (2) - a bit to the up or down i guess? Tried, didnt look nice ;c.
3. 01:06:228 (2) - can you do the edges like what i mostly do? xDD i find this is more natural imo than "monotonic" edges lol
   SPOILER

   
   Wanted something different here haha
4. 01:08:997 (1) - move a bit to the up? its touched with 01:07:151 (1) - 's tail :s Fixed~
   
   lol i only pointed out some nazii things xd cuz its neat already lmao

[Normal]

1. 00:18:228 (3,4,5) - i think its a bit rush to do some 1/2 sliders here and its still in the intro anyways. why dont you follow the guitar sound here 00:18:228 - probably doing/placing some 1/1 slider would help I think this is the strongest part of the solo, so i used a denser rhythm.
2. 00:37:613 (1) - maybe move this to 360|203? better triangle imo xD Okay
3. 01:17:920 (3,1) - inconsistent spacing lol Fixed
   
   ah how to mod normal, im bad at modding normal diffs lol

[Hard]
What an illuminati SR

1. 00:00:690 (1,2) - nazi, blanket k
2. 00:07:151 - a bit confusing imo, you put three 1/4 repeats in line without any recovery time, tho its a hard doesnt mean you have to go like this but im just pointing my opinion and wanted some small explaination c: I think it's fine. 1/4repeats are a lot easier to land than people think xD. It's different from 1/4 triplets because those actually require 1/4 clicking rhythm whereas 1/4 repeats will play just like 1/2 sliders in terms of clicking and releasing.
3. 00:15:766 (3,4) - etc... is this what they call linear flow? it doesnt flow that nice imo but idk, maybe ctrl+g some of them? xd Nah, this is fine, since you can actualyl play the sliders, and then it'll flow zig-zag
4. 00:16:382 (1,2) - the stack made these touched (a bit), move 00:16:536 (2,3) - manually to 307|125 so they wont touch each other and it'll fix the triangle there good eye
5. 01:08:690 (4,2) - stack them? instead overlapping :s Wanted a larger DS< and a different shape. I think theres enough space in between that you wont notice the overlap.
6. 01:14:228 (3,1) - maybe you can do some emphasizing here but that would make the SR increased a bit xd Prefer to keep
7. 01:24:074 (2,3,4,5,1) - Delta Decision irl
   
   not much i can found, tho i dont really like those linear flow thing

[Insane]
Are you sure with the AR8.5 and OD8.5? set to AR 9 and OD8 pls :C

1. 00:07:766 (3,1) - do some emphasize here, making (3)>(1) a jump would help players reading this part i think its fine here.
2. 00:08:997 (2) - why suddenly become a "claustrophobia" slider ;c? it just looks... dont have any space left while you still have a lot of space in it xd Just a shape~ I think its nice to use something different xD.
3. 00:24:382 (3,1) - emphasize this more i guess? since 00:24:690 - is a strong beat, maybe the spacing should be like 00:28:074 (6,1) - this cuz that spacing would fit nicely Ahh its so hard considering this strcture, let me keep xD.
4. 00:40:690 (1) - instead ignoring the drum, how about following it? like what you do on Exruciating Extra. I was expecting there will be a triples and such on that part okay!
5. 01:26:536 (1) - you sure this is 1/3? the drum is 01:26:613 - here tho. i mean, i know you are following the guitar just like what you did on hard but why dont you follow the drum instead? you followed the drum before this, suddenly follows the guitar is just weird imo lol if its allowed, you can do this kind of rhythm i guess lol Its kinda messy cuz theres the bass drum and the snare, but I think bass which is what i'm following (the deeper drum hit) is 1/3. But what you say is true too. I think it just depends on what you want to follow, and I want to use a different rhythm than 1/4 spam here xD.
   SPOILER

   
   
   Cool

[Exruciating Extra]Are you sure with the OD9 :s its still 5.5* tho 8.7? xD

1. 00:36:689 (1,1,1) - can you make these objects into triangle but in an "open field"?, the 1/1 reading will completely ruined since before these 1/1, you put 1/4 streams. maybe placing them like what you do with 01:03:459 (1,2,3) - would help. Did something else
2. 00:50:228 (5,6) - i never do this cuz this would break the reading, pattern like this mostly in a mirrored way, 00:50:382 (6) - ctrl+g'ing this may help imo, just like what you did on 00:18:843 (9,10) - Fixed
3. oh yea, concerning about 01:03:459 - this part. why did you suddenly follow the vocal instead the drums? True, fixed.
4. 01:27:613 (2,5,7) - imperfect triangle xD move 01:28:074 (5) - this to 220|166 so it can be a neat triangle c:Fixed~

waw pretty nice set as always, go go speedrank /
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Hope it Helps, sensei. Good Luck!

Thanks Haruto!! Great mod on upper diffs

sahuang wrote:

M4M

[Easy]

1. 00:26:536 (1,2) - this feels like an anti-flow where the direction of curve 1 goes down but 2 is upward.
   why not ctrl+J (1)? I think the flow is fine. It's hard to do anti-flow in Easy anyways. The flow is quite straightforward here.
2. 00:51:766 - a 1/1 slider from here to 00:52:074 (2) - could work better to fill the empty gap Good idea!

[Normal]

1. 00:00:690 (1,2) - rip DS oops
2. 00:12:690 (3) - 00:14:536 (3,4) - make them consistent maybe Second one is more impactful imo
3. 01:28:228 - either add a note or use a 1/2 slider here cuz you shouldn't ignore the beat here Okay~

[Hard]

1. 00:44:997 (1,2,3,4) - 00:46:843 (1,2,3,4) - i think it's better if they have same rhythm Prefer rhythm variance here.
2. 01:02:843 (2,3,1) - the ds for 2,3 is much more than that for 3 and 1, but imo there should be a jump 01:03:151 (3,1) - instead of 01:02:843 (2,3) -
   cuz the voice 01:03:459 (1) - suddenly raises and you should emphasis that. Fixed
3. 01:14:843 - beat here is as strong as 01:15:151 - so why ignore? I don't think its that strong.
4. 01:15:459 (1,2,3) - they are the same so 3 circles maybe Prefer this. Simpler rh ythm
5. 01:28:074 (3) - this is different from 01:27:459 (1,2) - cuz 01:28:228 - has a strong beat,maybe use 2 circles for (3)? nah, i prefer this arrangement.

[Insane]

1. AR9OD8 sounds better considering hard and extra Will consider
   Pretty nice diff

[Ex Extra]

1. 00:10:690 - i think u should add a note here. Nah, not necessary.
2. 00:23:151 (1) - no need to NC tbh Removed from previous combo
3. 00:23:766 (1,1,1) - it's quite confusing here,not only because of NC spam but also the music. I think its fine... It's quite straightforward to read due to NC actually.
   if u follow vocal u should map 00:24:228 - 00:24:536 - rather than 00:24:228 -
   if u follow music,tho there are 3 downbeats the place u mapped,00:23:920 - 00:24:228 - 00:24:536 - sounds are hard to be neglected here when playing,so it's really hard to click right now,and tbh i think follow vocal here works much better
4. 00:25:766 (2,3) - calm music but sudden jump here,any reason? No real reason, i just wanna try something different here and not respect emphasis.
5. 01:03:459 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - this part is really strange...you ignored whole lot of beats and yet you didnt follow vocal completely. having 1/1 'jumps' over the screen doesnt make much sense to me...it should be more intense lol I like this a lot xD it's the only non-1/2 slider spam diff of them all. I think they work to follow the drum while maintaining a really high DS so players aren't bored.

[TD Extra]

1. 00:11:459 (7) - i think a slider to 00:11:690 - can be better,00:11:459 (7,1) - sounds weird for vocal Prefer a 1/1 break cuz i don't like stacking sliderhead + circle underneath.
2. 01:08:690 (3,2) - i'd prefer to NC these so it's symmetrical 12 12 12,and no need NC 01:10:228 (1) - Good point.

[TS Extra]

1. 00:14:536 (1) - inconsistent NC? Fixed
2. 01:08:690 (3,2) - same as TD Extra :p Sure
3. 01:28:382 (1) - as in other diffs dont NC this for consistency(or u can NC in other diffs True. Removed
   Nice stream part in the end!

[The Eclipse]

• 
  Really a hard one...cs5 lol

1. 00:14:536 (1,2,3) - ithink jump here is too big...Nerfed
2. 00:47:305 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - nice triangle lol ty
3. 01:01:152 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - jump is too big as well and feel a bit random/messy imo.. I think the jumps are fine, but I nerfed the pattern a bit anyways.
   that dragonforce stream at last!!!lmao

ok that's it a pretty cool mapset,gl for quick ranking!

Thanks for the mod!!

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

Hi Mr Monstrata! from your queue~
My map for the M4M: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/469141

(its still sort of a work in progress, waiting on a GD so I apologize for that)

I'm only going to be modding the hardest difficulties since I'm not really good at modding lower diffs.


Man these difficulty names are just too relatable

• [General]

1. This was mentioned in a previous mod but, countdown and widescreen support
   
2. Also mentioned in another mod, no kiai feels weird :/
   
3. I know you said something about the background contest thing, so i wont mention that :p you can look through the albums i entered for a good one hehehe

• [The Eclipse]
  Overview

1. OD10 with cross screen jumps and CS5? I know this show is about suffering but have some mercy ;-;
   
2. If you take out these following jumps, the SR goes from 7.5 to 6.6, those jumps seem solely in there for the purpose of raising the SR.
   00:04:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
   00:06:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
   00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
   00:29:305 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
   00:59:767 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
   01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
   It's not really necessary to have giant jump spam throughout most of the map, imo the jumps at the very end are fine, just for a TV size map. Having 15 seconds of it raise it by a full star seems kinda ridiculous. I'm more specifically looking at this 00:59:767 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - This puts the map up from 6.8 stars to 7.5... without a real huge change in pitch too. Did some nerfing, but I think the jumps fit well. The spacing continues to wind up to match the building intensity of the drums.
   
   Specific mods
   
3. 00:04:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I know the guitar changes pitch in this part, but I don't think the DS increase in these jumps need to be so drastic, especially since its not that big of a change from the last set of jumps. Made it a bit smaller
   
4. 00:06:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^, I would tone these down just a tad if anything, to keep the intensity while still making it playable. There are fine, since i made the previous smaller, now these are the biggest and fit the pitch better.
   
5. 00:14:536 (1,2,3) - Instead of having cross screen jumps here i would map the drums in the background, since you seem to be following the snare buildup in the drums before this. Yea, made them sliders.
   
6. 00:33:459 (4,5,6) - Add a note in between 4 and 5 and delete 6, there isn't anything on 6. Prefer to keep for structural purposes.
   
7. 00:33:920 (1,2,3) - A bit odd since you map the part that sounds the same right after following the guitar part / snare. Theyre' different imo. But i like this rhythm
   
8. 00:43:152 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Triangle memes
   
9. 01:02:536 (1,2,3,4) - Something like this can get the full drum part and sound better Made it sliders..

• [Tortured Soul Extra]
  Just a small note, I think renaming the diff name to Tortured Soul Extreme would fit better, having 2 other extras already.

1. 00:23:151 (2,3,4,5,6,1) - I think putting a note 00:23:382 - here would make this feel less awkward, since as it is now it really sounds weird to me. I prefer the current rhythm more . Not a big fan of streams after sliders anyways.
   
   Not much else I can really say about this diff, looks really nice.

• [Tragic Death Extra]
  A lot different than a tragic love extra hehe

1. 00:24:997 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I think i mentioned this in the last diff but I think a note in between 2 and 3 sounds less awkward. Gonna keep here too,
   
2. 00:37:613 (1,1,1,1,1) - I'm not a fan of the NCs here seeing as its still following the same general sound but, I can see how you were going for the emphasis on the notes with the NCs Sure, removed them. Since i didnt put them for other difs.
   
3. 00:40:690 (1) - Not too sure as to what this follows here... This should be a triplet slider on 00:40:843 - If anything. And i would add a circle 00:40:690 - here to keep the flow by following the ride cymbal for a bit. (It might be following the bassline but I'm just not 100%... I don't hear it)Wops, fixed.

• [Excruciating Extra]

1. 01:03:459 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - This part felt kinda boring considering the intensity of the song, I think maybe these should be sliders to correspond with the other extra diffs. I like it. It's different from the 1/2 slider spam haha.
   
   Again, not much to say in this diff, looks great.

Well that's all from me, sorry for the short-ish mod :/

Looks awesome! Good luck ranking!! PS. I don't think I'll get the chance to say this again but I LOOOOOVED your aspire map

Thanks for the mod!!

KuranteMelodii wrote:

ok, m4m

[General]

1. 01:28:382 - NC if there's a note, feels better to emphasize the last note, Not sure why you only did it on Tortured Soul Extra, but not on other diff Removed on tortured soul. I don't think NC on last note actually emphasizes the note. It is just a visual aid.
2. Kiai... ok you get the idea when you see previous mods
3. There's literally no volume changes on all diff at all, I think that you should make some volume changes especially the calm parts
4. ^ Combined with those two conditions, the most serious problems I see is that there's no green lines with changes on Normal and Easy diff , Rendering all the green lines are useless, if you gonna reject both above, at least delete some unnecessary green lines, if i remember correctly, having duplicate green lines are unrankable
5. .... Where's the hitsounds? is the map unfinished? Pls, i said hitsounds weren't done yet lol.

[Traumatized Hard]

1. 00:05:920 (3) - Maybe ctrl+G and Blanket 00:06:228 (1) -, nothing really asking for a large jump though, well, at least in scale of a hard diff Nah, I think the jump is warranted.
2. 00:13:920 (2,3,4,5) - Not recommended for Hard imo, this pattern is too hard for a hard diff, Not just there's too much singletaps, The jump at 00:14:382 (5,1) - make it even more hard, But it's fine to emphasize 00:14:536 (1) - so i guess i'll let you desire This is perfectly fine for Hard though .
3. 00:40:690 - 00:41:305 - Unused Green lines Removed i guess.
4. My another attempt to mod lower diffs.... hope that won't annoy you orz

[Agonizing Insane]

1. 00:35:459 (4) - Ctrl+G, to continue the flow of 00:35:151 (3) Uh, no this is intentional.-

[Excruciating Extra]

1. 01:04:382 (1) - Maybe x:18/y:188 to continue the geometry pattern Did something similar?

[Tortured Soul Extra]

1. Why CS5? CS4 works better with so many jumps, or if wanna inflate the star rating, CS4.3 - CS4.5 is enough No...
2. 01:14:843 - Maybe add a note there, i feel empty there I wanna keep cuz i like this rhythm better.

[The Eclipse]

1. 00:04:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I know it's the continuation of 00:02:536 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - , And it gets larger for higher guitar pitch, But the transition from 00:01:151 (6,7,8) - Is kinda overdone, i know it's the highest diff, but the fact is the sound never get stronger or louder at all, so is there any reason to have a larger jumps there? Nerfed it a bit
2. 00:14:536 (1,2) - Again, it's the continuation of the buildup part before, but the buildup ends at 00:14:382 - , and those 2 notes were mapping to a weaker drums, all i could say that is overmapped Changed to 1/2 sliders.
3. Again, Are you sure it's playable with CS5 and full screen jumps? I still doubt with the playability Its playable.

Ok I know i am kinda harsh and short on this mod, but what i could see is i am not confident on the playability and quality on this map, especially the 2 highest diffs, I am not sure did you ask someone for testplaying this map but for now, I might remod if testplays shows this map is 100% playable

If you think that my mod is kinda rude or unhelpful, feel free to reject my kds and m4m request

good luck~

Well, I guess you're lucky I have faith in people lol. Modded your map before reading your mod. xD

Battle wrote:

i too identify as an edgy diff name

[General]
well if you do end up keeping this bg pink doesn't really fit as a combo color lol
>breaks in tv size aaaaaa

[Easy]
00:43:459 - the break somewhere around here kinda just seems random and just the result of an ar change so u might want to fix that z Fixed.

[Normal]
01:10:843 (1,2,3) - aaa why don't you follow same aesthetic as like 01:12:690 (1,2,3) - it looks nicer z Cuz then the flow would tank going into the first slider.

[Hard]
00:26:536 (1,2,1,2) - m the thing that bothers me here is that the the 1/1 repeat of 1 seems to give emphasis to the vocal, it doesn't follow the guitar(?) like the 1/2 sliders do. It's weird that there's like unique emphasis to the vocals (which I'm assuming it's going off of) but then the other vocal similar to it on the very next downbeat is mapped differently rhythmically z I get what you mean, but i want some rhythm variety here.
00:31:459 (2) - why not do like a circle and 1/2 slider here cuz the repeat is real strong compared to the start and end lo Sure, why not.
00:33:920 (1) - aaa I get that you might want to do it for rhythm variance or sth but like, it would feel a lot more satisfying to actually click the beats like 00:34:843 (1,2,3) - did You guessed it

[Insane]
00:55:766 (3) - t b h I would expect this to have the largest spacing since it's a pretty prominent drum that comes out of like a bunch of guitar stuff lol (but you'll probably keep it since I saw it was stacked on top of 00:54:690 (1) - lol) I think its fine not to emphasize it. It's just a different sound, i wouldn't call it the strongest xD.

[first Extra]
01:17:305 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - aa do you want people to break after everything ;w; Yes!

[tragic]
01:10:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - lol ik you said point out the major things but this isn't straight cuz stacking propertiessss, also same for 01:12:382 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - That's pretty major. Fixed~

[tortured]
mm just wondering why is there like pauses in the streams in the beginning and not the end? to me they sound basically the same, so it's kinda weird that you decided to use pauses at the start and just directional changes to the end stream. (also i noticed that u basically mapped it the way I expected in the highest diff so why not do that? the pauses seem rly inconsistent :/\/\/\) Just variety.
00:18:228 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - regardless, this compared to 01:20:997 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - when they're pretty similar (guitar goes to a real high pitch) is pretty zz since like the latter is SUPER spaced and the thing at the start isn't rly spaced at all z I want the second iteration to be more difficult than the first.

[pp]
00:31:613 (3,4,5,1) - lol that whole stacking thing I mentioned on tragic Fixed
01:15:459 (1,2,1) - This doesn't rly fit since you've been like, making this vocal part pretty simplistic rhythm-wise, the inclusion of 1/2 here kinda just seems random Yea sure, i'll just delete the second note.
Well at least the stream w/ the high guitar pitch thing is kinda similar 2 each other since they both have larger spacing than normal for them lol

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Thanks for the mod!!

Doormat wrote:

hi hi monstrata, from your m4m queue-
[Easy]

1. not much to say here, it’s a fine diff. some blankets could use some minor tweaking, like at 00:02:536 (1,2) – where the (2) is slightly curved too much, and I was wondering about why you manually ended the break early, since the other diffs don’t do this Fixed.
   
   SPOILER

   please explain
   
2. 01:00:382 (2,3) – I’m not 100% sure about having the downbeat at 01:00:690 – be a slider end; it feels kind of lacking in emphasis compared to a clickable downbeat like what you did at 00:11:766 (1,2,1,2) – . since these are essentially the same music composition, making one downbeat clickable and the other downbeat on a slider end makes one have less impact than the other, but that’s just my opinion I think its fine~

[Normal]

1. essentially the same comment from Easy about prettying up some of your blankets, like at 00:31:766 (3,2) – as an example. Fixed.
2. 01:12:690 (1,3) – I’m not sure if this is just me, but it looks like the circle here is a little off. Why not try moving the (3) to somewhere around x376 | y228 ? you’re probably going to have to reposition the next few notes though :v I prefer the current position xP. It's not trying to blanket anything.
3. tl;dr the diff is fine except for a few subjective aesthetic stuff ok

[Hard]

1. 00:10:843 (4,5) – you probably know what I’m about to say based on the first point for the previous two diffs so I’ll stop pointing these out This one's fine tho.
2. 00:08:074 (1,2,3,4) - 00:56:074 (1,2,1,2) – have different combo consistency despite being the same musical composition so making them consistent would be nice Made it consistent.
3. 00:13:920 (2,3,4,5) – and 01:24:074 (2,3,4,5) – seem like the most intense parts of this diff since it’s four consecutive circles. it’s probably fine, but maybe you might want to consider toning this down by just a little bit? maybe you could swap out the last two circles with a 1/2 slider I think its fine. theyre not that hard.

[Insane]

1. 01:11:613 – maybe you could add a circle here kind of like how you added one at 01:13:459 (3) - ? I think its fine. I want the 1/1 jump here.

[Excruciating]

1. 00:05:920 (6,1) – I’m a little concerned about the distance between these two notes, since the (1) seems kind of far away from the (6) for a 1/4 gap, since 00:02:228 (6,1) – does a similar thing but has a much smaller distance between those two notes. maybe consider moving 00:06:228 (1) – closer to 00:05:920 (6) – ? alternatively you could change the angle of the (6) so that the slider end points towards the (1) to help lead the player from the (6) to the (1) That's fine. 1/4 jumps are really easy when its 1/4 repeats. It'll feel just a bit harder than a 1/2 slider jump since you have to hold until 1/2.
   
2. 00:36:689 (1) – your extras are the only diffs in the set that have a new combo this note, whereas your lower diffs don’t. quite frankly, I think choosing not to NC here works more effectively to highlight the upcoming bass line. applies to your other Extras as well The NC's work better on the Extra's due to the note placement, nothing really do to with consistency here.
3. 00:48:382 (9,1) – kind of a similar point to the first point I mentioned for this difff Yea, these are fine. You overestimate 1/4 repeat difficulty lol.

[Tragic Death]

1. 01:21:613 (9,10,11,12,1) – not really sure why you’d want the player to decelerate here since this is the only time during this final stream where the player has to decelerate their movement speed. the music is just as intense, so the decrease in movement here seems kind of random to me. it'd make more sense to decelerate when the stream is ending, but it isn't here It's like a pause in the guitar solo before another stanza begins.

[Tortured Soul]

1. 00:52:074 (3) – I’d consider Ctrl + G on this slider since the distance between 00:51:766 (2,3) – seems a little high that it could result in some frustrating slider breaks That won't happen.
   
2. 01:26:228 (4) – similar to the previous point I made about considering Ctrl + G-ing this sliderSame

[Eclipse]

1. 00:14:536 (1,2,3) – comparing the build up here to this triangle, this seems overly exaggerated which was probably what you were going for. either way, with the spacing of the current build up, I don’t think there’s enough momentum to warrant such extreme jumps. I recommend either nerfing this jump, or buffing 00:11:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) – so that the momentum generated here makes that last jump pattern easier to land Made it just sliders~

hope this helps!

Thanks for the mod!!!

Electoz wrote:

M4M : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479160

[Painfully Easy]

1. 01:12:997 (2,3) - The flow's kinda edgy and this is the only place in the diff where you did this, I think using a smoother flow + maybe some symmetry stuff would be better as there's nothing to reflect from the song with this kind of flow. i think its fine here.

[Blistering Normal]

1. 01:10:843 (1) - Flip this maybe for a better symmetry with 01:11:766 (3) and also 01:12:690 (1,3) . I would, but it would mess up the flow from the previous circle.
2. 01:21:613 (4) - Bending the tail towards the head of 01:21:920 (1) a bit? Since most of your stuff had tails towards the the heads like 01:19:151 (3,4,1,2,3) Sure .

[Traumatized Hard]

1. 00:06:228 (1) - Minor but Ctrl+G'ing this would make it easier to land on it from 00:05:920 (3) . Since 00:02:228 (3,1) - 00:04:074 (3,1) both have a 1.30 spacing so why not. Sure
2. 00:53:613 (2,1) - A pixel overlap but who cares. Fixed

[Agonizing Insane]

1. 00:17:766 (3) - Can you avoid this overlap from 00:16:997 (4,5,6,7,1) ? Imo it could be more neat and a bit easier to read if that's possible as 01:19:766 (4,5,6,7,1,3) has a same rhythm but it's a lot neater. I think the overlap is fine since over half the circle is still visible.
2. 00:41:305 (1) - Ctrl+G maybe since it would be neater if both 00:41:305 (1,4) have the head and tails in the same direction. I want to emphasize 00:44:074 - by breaking symmetry
3. 00:55:151 (1,2,3) - Make these a slider or something? Since you made 00:55:151 (1,2,3) in Excruciating Extra so it's kinda like this is easier to read in that Extra compared to this Insane. I think 1/1 circles are simpler than 1/2 sliders actually xD. But This is just a different interpretation.

[Tragic Death Extra]

1. Yeah I didn't check all of these but at least some of them are unsnapped by a few ms. Resnapped all notes.
2. 00:55:151 (1,1,1) - Kinda curious why you NC'd only this diff since the spacing alone should be obvious enough for 1/1 circle here. To remove the follow points. Aesthetics really.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

1. 01:28:382 (1) - Why did you put NC here when you didn't put any in other diffs? Removed

Ok hope this helps~ Good luck and thanks in advance!

Thanks for the mod!!

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Monstrata wrote:

Battle wrote:

aa do you want people to break after everything ;w; Yes!

P L S

furioso melodia

The Eclipse
this diff is very well done, i only want to point out one thing: 01:14:536 (1,2,1,1,1) - i'm not sure what you're following here, if you follow vocals then map 01:14:843 - this, otherwise i suggest you to map 01:15:613 - this beat since it's quite strong, i prefer vocals here tho

Tortured Soul Extra
00:51:766 (2) - ctrl+g would be better here, and move it up a bit, to make it not easy to sliderbreak http://puu.sh/qkxwD/b388ee9db9.jpg

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01:23:766 (1,2,3,4,5) - the jumps don't fit here since you didn't make anything like this in other parts, just make it normal

and consider adding some normal-finishes in this part 00:56:074 -

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Karen wrote:

The Eclipse
this diff is very well done, i only want to point out one thing: 01:14:536 (1,2,1,1,1) - i'm not sure what you're following here, if you follow vocals then map 01:14:843 - this, otherwise i suggest you to map 01:15:613 - this beat since it's quite strong, i prefer vocals here tho True. Followed the vocals and mapped 01:14:843. I also mapped the drum beat on 01:15:61 to a slider-end. I want to focus on vocals here, but I agree that the sound is still worth mapping so i'll put a slider-end there and hitsound it.

Tortured Soul Extra
00:51:766 (2) - ctrl+g would be better here, and move it up a bit, to make it not easy to sliderbreak http://puu.sh/qkxwD/b388ee9db9.jpg Yea, good idea.

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01:23:766 (1,2,3,4,5) - the jumps don't fit here since you didn't make anything like this in other parts, just make it normal Hmm... I think the jumps work here because in the intro at 00:15:459 - I use mainly stacked placements and repeat sliders that are placed really close together, but in the second iteration at 01:18:228 - I use spaced patterns. I think players will be able to catch the jumps. But if you disagree, I have a simple fix ready. Let me know, i'm fine with changing so no pressure! Just wanna give my reasoning first.

and consider adding some normal-finishes in this part 00:56:074 - Yea, you're right. Added them to all diffs!

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Thanks Karen!

Why does only the diffname of the Easy have an adverb instead of an adjective lol

Also I heavily dislike 01:28:074 (5,6,7) in the highest diff bc horizontal jumps are generally harder to play than vertical ones of the same spacing, and I don't really see much reason to make (6) so special as it's still the same note as all the others in the music, would suggest smth like this
Doesn't 00:22:843 (5) deserve an NC? And for drain-balancing purposes at 00:37:613 (1,2,3,4) I'd suggest not NCing 00:24:074 (1,1) - 00:36:997 (1,1) - 01:14:843 (1,1,1,1) xd

Tortured Soul Extra: Why does 00:22:843 (1) reverse twice? I don't hear a note there and you didn't do that in the following reverse-sliders either (even though 00:25:382 does actually have a note in the music lol)
And again I don't see why 01:28:074 (5,6) is suddenly that much higher spaced than the rest as I don't see that in the music at all, continuing your pattern like this would already increase it in relation to the previous two notes again, that's definitely enough

I like how I see that same issue in all other high diffs too except the Excrutiating Extra where it's like "hey, let's not space (4,5,6) at all" for some reason lol

Bonsai wrote:

Why does only the diffname of the Easy have an adverb instead of an adjective lol It just sounded nicer. Painful Easy sounded weird to me, and Painfully Easy just sounds a lot better.

Also I heavily dislike 01:28:074 (5,6,7) in the highest diff bc horizontal jumps are generally harder to play than vertical ones of the same spacing, and I don't really see much reason to make (6) so special as it's still the same note as all the others in the music, would suggest smth like Yea, this kind of arrangement is really special because of the sharp angles i've set up, as well as the visually noticeably increase in DS. In all instances, the player is moving in very acute angles that also double back on the path of the previous two circles, creating an X flow that is a lot more comfortable to play. Why don't I want to dip down below the x axis? because if 5>6>7 involves an angle that dips, it actually becomes more difficult to control given how i've been controlling the gradual y-axis vextor decrease. What I mean by this is that 3>4 then 4>5 then 5>6 and then 6>7, you can notice that the length of y-axis movement decreases considerably as this jump pattern aims to turn all y-axis momentum (from 1>2>3>4, that use minimal x-axis movement) to purely x-axis movement. This is done by sharp angle changes, and a clear visual pattern that shows the change in y-axis from nearly full-screen to nearly 1/3rd the screen by the time 5>6 is played. This allows the player to snap to 7 much more easily because through these jumps, y-axis velocity has been gradually but surely decreased.

You often see remnants of this concept in slightly slanted linear sliders (which I often spam) because its just much more comfortable to have both an X and Y axis movement when you jump from one object to another. The exception is here, where the jump pattern is specifically tailored to make the switch from "a lot of Y movement" to "a bit of y movement" to "no y movement". Otherwise, having some y-movement is usually better since players don't have to cease all movement on one axis voluntarily in order to properly snap to the next object. (It's also why you almost never see perfectly horizontal/vertical jumps nowadays since they are quite tricky to set up if you don't know the idea behind it, imo)this
Doesn't 00:22:843 (5) deserve an NC? And for drain-balancing purposes at 00:37:613 (1,2,3,4) I'd suggest not NCing 00:24:074 (1,1) - 00:36:997 (1,1) - 01:14:843 (1,1,1,1) xd I don't think NC is necessary, and the NC spam there is to show the anti-jumps.

Tortured Soul Extra: Why does 00:22:843 (1) reverse twice? I don't hear a note there and you didn't do that in the following reverse-sliders either (even though 00:25:382 does actually have a note in the music lol) There's a note there though. And I think this fits very well as a rhythmic reduction of Eclipse that uses 5 note streams here.
And again I don't see why 01:28:074 (5,6) is suddenly that much higher spaced than the rest as I don't see that in the music at all, continuing your pattern like this would already increase it in relation to the previous two notes again, that's definitely enough I like the angles a lot actually. And i've always enjoyed having spacing increases to create a growing intensity in jump patterns. I think we've discussed this in a lot more detail when the topic was about quaver xD.

I like how I see that same issue in all other high diffs too except the Excrutiating Extra where it's like "hey, let's not space (4,5,6) at all" for some reason lol Yea. With this many diffs, I'm also aiming for different interpretations. Basically trying to emulate different styles while still showing elements of my own.

Hope that explains my intentions a bit more, thanks for checking!

#2

Karen wrote:

#2

what


@Monstrata: It would be cool if you could convey your point a bit simpler, all I got from this is that you're talking about angles which I don't really understnad bc my suggestion barely changes any angles at all, I just simply reduced the spacing to make it more fitting, you can still make (6,7) be horizontal by moving (7), I have nothing against that.

Yes, we discussed forceful increase of intensity in jump patterns in Quaver already, and your point was that you purely did it for difficulty, so I don't really see what you're trying to tell me lol

Intensity increases naturally from the amount of jumps you map, when you already have more high-spaced jumps in a row here than anywhere else then there is no need to forcefully increase the spacing even more when it has absolutely zero justification in the song

My point about NCing 00:22:843 (5) - is that this is the start of a measure and it's only natural to NC those since you're doing that everywhere else too, and you have a lot of those short combos anyways, so the question for me is rather whether there's any reason not to put a NC here

Do you really feel the need to indicate obvious anti-jumps at this diff-level? I highly doubt that any player skilled enough for this map will misread them when not NCd, and this just creates unnecessary imbalance in the drain, so again I don't see a reason why not NCing them would be bad in any way

And I still definitely do not hear any note at 00:23:074 and you didn't map it in any other diff either, not even Eclipse, so maybe you wanna make a rhythmic reduction here too eh

7*
00:40:690 (1) - wanna fix the rhythm here? It's a normal triple at the red tick

Bonsai wrote:

Karen wrote:

#2

what


@Monstrata: It would be cool if you could convey your point a bit simpler, all I got from this is that you're talking about angles which I don't really understnad bc my suggestion barely changes any angles at all, I just simply reduced the spacing to make it more fitting, you can still make (6,7) be horizontal by moving (7), I have nothing against that. Theres a huge angle change from 4>5>6 though, looking at your example. 6 Needs to be lower to reduce the angle. I also want a larger spacing here to emphasize the intensity increase I'm trying to convey. I was barely talking about angles tbh. A lot of it is y and x axis vectors. When you consider jumps, you also consider angles, and their alignment with the x and y axis. When you move your hand, unless you are slanting your hand or holding your pen/mouse at an angle, you will be putting force on your pen/mouse in both an x and y axis, the combination of which, gives the slant (maths maths etc...).


Yes, we discussed forceful increase of intensity in jump patterns in Quaver already, and your point was that you purely did it for difficulty, so I don't really see what you're trying to tell me lol That quote looks really bad out of context, can you not paint me in that color, thanks. We can move Quaver discussion to quaver, it's getting ranked sooner or later anyways.

Intensity increases naturally from the amount of jumps you map, when you already have more high-spaced jumps in a row here than anywhere else then there is no need to forcefully increase the spacing even more when it has absolutely zero justification in the song

My point about NCing 00:22:843 (5) - is that this is the start of a measure and it's only natural to NC those since you're doing that everywhere else too, and you have a lot of those short combos anyways, so the question for me is rather whether there's any reason not to put a NC here It's mor natural to NC this way imo. The reason people NC on the start of the measure is to give an indicator of rhythm. I believe I'm doing the same, except i'm showing the rhythm by not NC"ing on the downbeat.

Do you really feel the need to indicate obvious anti-jumps at this diff-level? I highly doubt that any player skilled enough for this map will misread them when not NCd, and this just creates unnecessary imbalance in the drain, so again I don't see a reason why not NCing them would be bad in any way It doesn't hurt.

And I still definitely do not hear any note at 00:23:074 and you didn't map it in any other diff either, not even Eclipse, so maybe you wanna make a rhythmic reduction here too eh I'll take a closer look when I'm home.

I appreciate your comments, but I think our ideas on jump spacing simply differ. I'd be happy to discuss this more with you so you can get my perspective better, but I won't be making changes without better analysis. I don't think "horizontal jumps are generally harder to play... etc..." is enough analysis so please consider my analysis on vectors and angles too. It's not something I usually explain because ppl just go "ugh so pedantic etc..." but I think you're one of the BN's who can appreciate the theory.

I guess let's hold off on qualifying this until I get home and do a proper check.

Hmm... I guess either Karen or Kibb can qualify after that... lol

Maakkeli wrote:

7*
00:40:690 (1) - wanna fix the rhythm here? It's a normal triple at the red tick

god bless Maakkeli

Fixed all.

Bonsai wrote:

And I still definitely do not hear any note at 00:23:074 and you didn't map it in any other diff either, not even Eclipse, so maybe you wanna make a rhythmic reduction here too eh

Fixed!

i thought it was an app map lol but fortunely i didn't qualify
Rebubblling due to some snapping changes

I think this song is safe if you not add video (since the opening have gore and some nsfw thing)

oh wait, you're really don't add it, glad it!

monstrata fixed some combo colours.

i will repair this bubble because i already qualified something today so hopefully giving it to karen to qualify lol.

okie

gratz
I hope community loves this map as me

so quick

congratz :>

griffith did nothing wrong

nothing to see here

Gratzz!

ayy congratulations sensei <3

gz my man!

I like how OD is matching AR on the above insane diffs... like in the good old times, where you had no choice but to have them match Osu! needs more high OD goodness :3

i still don't know if all diffs are made by you.. pls DQ or fix

mick2903 wrote:

I like how OD is matching AR on the above insane diffs... like in the good old times, where you had no choice but to have them match Osu! needs more high OD goodness :3

ctb style

Excruciating Extra
01:02:536 (1,2,3) - These sliders have really low hitsounds (45% instead of 90% volume in other diffs) thus making it really weird to play especially after these huge jumps where hitsound feedback is really needed

pls DQ

I don't know why only 45% volume in Excruciating Extra diff. But i can hear sounds/hit sounds when i'm playing. If Monstrata wants to fix this, pls poke me :p

Depending on the player's skin, these notes can be almost silent (this is my case) which is really disturbing since the previous notes are quite loud

It seems like a slipup from adding green lines and not intended

Please don't meme.

I'll fix that. I'll wait for alacat cuz I want to double check the source too.

dq

as request

fixed!

ok, will re-qualify after nine hours need to wait 24 hours after qualify https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5388480/

alacat wrote:

I don't know why only 45% volume in Excruciating Extra diff. But i can hear sounds/hit sounds when i'm playing. If Monstrata wants to fix this, pls poke me :p

not nearly as extreme as his 85% > 20% volume drops in Path of Wind :p

Those were intentional tho xD. This one's just a mistake when changing volumes. Initially the normal-hitclap was super loud so i reduced he volume in game, but then i reduced the volume of the hitsound itself so I didnt have to reduce the hit-normal volume for that section lol.

anyways, if its inaudible on your skin thats not really my problem. but the inconsistency is worth ironing out

Back!

griffith still did nothing wrong

gz pls rank this time

Monstrata....

WHY YOU DONT EDIT THE MP3 D:<

qual

Are you fucking joking?

Usually, I just look at these maps, take it up the ass and play older ones where I could actually stand it, but shown by this map 2016 is an absolute shit show of bad maps and I just seen one of the worst of all. Lets take a look

[Eclipse]

Theres nothing more to say about this map than throw it in the fucking graveyard, but just to humor myself. Ill explain my thoughts anyway.

The beginning is okay, up until this part.

00:12:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - What is this spacing and WHY is it intensifying so much? The song here has NO change in intensity, and the hitsounds barely make it intensified either. I agree with the whole "lets space it out as the jumps move forth," but dont make the god damn jumps across the screen, literally ONLY going for difficulty and I've never seen it more blatant.

00:19:151 (1) - From this note in the stream forth, what is the point of spacing this out more? Its not like the riff gets intensified more/higher in volume. Theres no reason to make this more spaced than the ones before. The guitar only calls for one spaced out section, then back to what it was. Thats how it should play from how it sounds, its a rhythm game for fucks sake.

00:21:613 (9) - Why aren't you atleast LOWERING the spacing? The intensity here is dropping yet for some reason you drop it here 00:22:536 (1) - ?

00:24:997 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - This spacing is SO inconsistent from the spacing you had in the beginning burst. Theres other ones you can find straight after too, not hard to find as its so blatant.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Hey guys, I know a great idea! You know how im only known for triangles? Yeah? So let me just add a fucking triangle pattern here, and make it have no rhythmic placement whatsoever, Haaha AHAHA memes bois!

Oh wow, that pattern is god awful, you did it so much better in previous diffs with sliders and a couple hit circles. it actually FITS. PLEASE

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think a part of me died for the mapping community when I saw this shit can get ranked. These should not be across the screen jumps at all, because yet again its blatant difficulty mapping with no regard to the music whatsoever.

01:01:613 (1,2,3) - The intensity drops a bit here, so why does it increase in difficulty? Hmm.....I think that ones obvious.

01:17:920 (1) - From this point on, any ounce of consistency you may of had dropped to an all time 0% because this stream isn't intensified in any way, literally the same exact riff from the beginning, and worst of all, its not even intensified by a kiai time???

BUT WAIT IM NOT DONE WITH THAT STREAM

01:21:920 (1) - OH LOOK this note is the start of the exact same spacing as the previous stream before the spacing increase supported by the song, but you didnt do that earlier? What was the point of that??? It seems here you just thought you couldn't get away with more spacing it seems.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - yay more across the screen jumps. Kill me.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

A little more bareable of a diff for me, but still not great enough for ranking in my eyes.

00:15:613 (2) - This stream forth the biggest problem I have with this is the awkwardness of these stream pauses. I feel it'd be so much better to be using repeat sliders.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - These are so bad for a pattern, they make no sense and is so gimmicky in a map that has literally no other gimmick, I have no idea why you'd put these here in this way, again like earlier. SLIDERS SLIDERS SLIDERS. I've seen you use them nicely before, they'd fit here perfectly.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I dont even have to say anything, you know what im going to say. (*Cough* screen jumps *cough*)

01:17:920 (1) - The structure is well done comparative to the beginning, the spacing should stay atleast consistent, its literally no different from earlier.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Honestly, I dont mind this one as much, its so much better than across the screen jumps.

[Tragic Death Extra]

00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Eh, something about this pattern doesnt seem right and again the spacing is horrid.

00:15:459 (1) - Comparative to the diff above this, this is so much better of a way to reduce difficulty and making it not play like absolute shit.

00:18:843 (9,10) - These feel pretty awkward playability wise.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is so much better than the diff above, but still super awkward for a map that you developed this to be. In both this diff and the last, you hype the map up with these intense jump patterns, yet for some reason these are so underwhelmingly close to each other. Im not saying increase the spacing a shit ton, but increase it a LITTLE bit, nothing insane. Make visible patterns, but dont make them over exaggerated. This is definitely a place to have low spacing, but not a place to have intense spacing. This section, just like the diff above is a massive flow breaker and needs fixing.

01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing so bad, too much spacing here.

01:18:228 (1) - This section forth for the streams, they're beautiful, this is how it SHOULD be mapped, its perfect this way.

[Final Thoughts]

I will say right now that I bare no hard feelings toward you, and im more concerned and very annoyed at this mapset for its ridiculously high star rating for such a song like this. Im sorry, theres no other way I can put this, but this is like an attention seeker map, this is only made to be difficult, and like an attention seeker, its so fucking obvious. You honestly should've stopped at Tragic Death Extra.

The reasoning behind Tragic Death Extra being a stopping point is it has patterns that are most definitely iffy, but they're fixable, the ones above are blatantly going for difficulty, and the way its mapped is massively pushing it. Tragic Death pushes it a bit, but the next ones upward are so blatantly trying to go for difficulty that its actually saddening to see it.

Although, you may not take most of my suggestions into consideration, I am only trying to get my own opinion, despite it most definitely being unpopular of an opinion, which makes it even harder to make a post so upfront and oppressive to current metas. I only wish you the best of luck on this mapset. No hard feelings toward you again, I definitely tried to tone my mod town as I went forth.

Best of luck.

- Spoon

Oh wow a post count 66 mod that is aggressive as fuck, wow. You know so much about mapping!

Aaand no ranked maps. Yeah, knew that critique was pointless. Usually is when its' so aggressive.

Fezu wrote:

Oh wow a post count 66 mod that is aggressive as fuck, wow. You know so much about mapping!

to be fair you don't know much either, so i don't know why you're trying to counter-aggro

giving some points from my point of view on the top diff but i understand if you disagree with them:

• od 10 seems pretty overkill imo but i can't really argue against it
  00:02:228 (9) - 1/4 slider might fit better here? rhythm calls for it, sort of
  00:04:074 (9) - ^
  00:05:920 (9) - ^
  00:16:074 (1,2,3,4) - this could use a bit more spacing for the guitar
  00:16:997 (1,2,3,4) - ^
  00:19:766 (1,2,3,4) - ^ ya basically every section like this tbh
  00:23:151 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - stuff like this that isn't really intensified might be better off with some sliders in between?
  00:38:536 (2,3,4) - nc these? pretty spread out so nc would be good for aesthetics and stuffzz
  00:47:305 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - streams like this could be better with some distance snap variation imo, having it all the same is pretty bland playing-wise
  01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - pretty overkill for a non-intense part of the song tbh
  01:14:843 (1,1) - remove ncs?
  
  as for the final stream i feel like it should have nc's every 8th note instead of 12th note (and nc the 4 note stream left over) and space it accordingly to that, for example 01:23:459 (9,10,11,12) - these notes are pretty intense compared to the stream before it and should be nc'd on the 9th note and spaced out a bit more, personal opinion tho

pretty alright map though

@Shiny Spoon Please avoid being aggresive when you do a mod. It will not help too much to the mapper.

second disqualify coming?

fieryrage wrote:

Fezu wrote:

Oh wow a post count 66 mod that is aggressive as fuck, wow. You know so much about mapping!

to be fair you don't know much either, so i don't know why you're trying to counter-aggro

giving some points from my point of view on the top diff but i understand if you disagree with them:

• od 10 seems pretty overkill imo but i can't really argue against it
  00:02:228 (9) - 1/4 slider might fit better here? rhythm calls for it, sort of
  00:04:074 (9) - ^
  00:05:920 (9) - ^
  00:16:074 (1,2,3,4) - this could use a bit more spacing for the guitar
  00:16:997 (1,2,3,4) - ^
  00:19:766 (1,2,3,4) - ^ ya basically every section like this tbh
  00:23:151 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - stuff like this that isn't really intensified might be better off with some sliders in between?

fuck i posted this early nice ill edit this in a sec with the full mod

Well, I honestly feel the need to point out if you feel like critiqueing something you should try and post what you don't like in a proper and respectful manner and not go on a rant.

Also honestly? He's the same as me, No ranked maps mean you know shit about mapping.

It raises concerns even though it's rude and everyone's opinions are relevant during qualification

Fezu wrote:

Well, I honestly feel the need to point out if you feel like critiqueing something you should try and post what you don't like in a proper and respectful manner and not go on a rant.

Also honestly? He's the same as me, No ranked maps mean you know shit about mapping.

I originally wasn't going to respond, but I want to take a moment to clarify my feeling towards Monstrata and what I feel mapping is.

Mapping to me is something thats supposed to be fun and not supposed to be about ranking. I take ranking something that comes as a bonus to mapping, but not necessary. I map mostly for the graveyard, I never try for rank ever.

Now the meaning behind this post? Well, quite frankly it is most definitely a rant based mod, because if you take a minute to open your eyes and realize this isnt the first time its been done by not only monstrata, but other mappers as well. You'd start to see it more my way, that this is unacceptable.

EDIT: The only approach I saw to a mod for a map like this, is to take a very blunt and direct one. I cant just take his hand and slowly walk him across the street like hes a small child. As a mapper, and how I feel as a mapper, you should be ready for HARSH criticism, but its criticism none the less and should be taken into consideration.

Battle wrote:

It raises concerns even though it's rude and everyone's opinions are relevant during qualification

I just find it a bit odd that a tone like that is allowed, then again this is a controversial map. Just like every other high star rating Monstrata map.

Guess it brings out the worst in mappers who find it disgusting, I can understand that tbh.

I'll take a more detailed look when I get home, but it seems you generally aren't pleased with the way I use spacing and DS in my map. Unfortunately we'll just have to disagree on that. I'm happy to provide better reasons and logic behind these spacings. However, I don't plan on changing anything unless it's a mistake on my part, like the volume dq earlier. (Of course, since I don't have osu on atm, I can't judge, so give me an hour first to get home).

Shiny Spoon wrote:

Fezu wrote:

Well, I honestly feel the need to point out if you feel like critiqueing something you should try and post what you don't like in a proper and respectful manner and not go on a rant.

Also honestly? He's the same as me, No ranked maps mean you know shit about mapping.

I originally wasn't going to respond, but I want to take a moment to clarify my feeling towards Monstrata and what I feel mapping is.

Mapping to me is something thats supposed to be fun and not supposed to be about ranking. I take ranking something that comes as a bonus to mapping, but not necessary. I map mostly for the graveyard, I never try for rank ever.

Now the meaning behind this post? Well, quite frankly it is most definitely a rant based mod, because if you take a minute to open your eyes and realize this isnt the first time its been done by not only monstrata, but other mappers as well. You'd start to see it more my way, that this is unacceptable.

EDIT: The only approach I saw to a mod for a map like this, is to take a very blunt and direct one. I cant just take his hand and slowly walk him across the street like hes a small child. As a mapper, and how I feel as a mapper, you should be ready for HARSH criticism, but its criticism none the less and should be taken into consideration.

I think osu! is past the point of caring about bad maps being ranked.

Doesn't help the system is rigged when meme mappers like Vinxis or Monstrata has free reign and contacts that can get maps ranked within 2-4 pages of mods.

Then there's the asians which has free reign to add TV size maps whenever they feel like it.

You realize your rant post is against a system you can't beat right, give up. It's over. The system is completely and absolutely fucked. Just enjoy the game.

If you have nothing relevant to say about the map, please don't clog the thread up with irrelevant stuff about each other

Perhaps there is a better place to discuss the ranking criteria..

Anyways @fieryrage if you want to mod, I'd appreciate your perspective on quaver more tbh xD. I'm ranking that soon.

Monstrata wrote:

Anyways @fieryrage if you want to mod, I'd appreciate your perspective on quaver more tbh xD. I'm ranking that soon.

ait got it

-snip-

Do you mind elaborating on those diffnames? I can't really put excruciating, tragic death and tortured soul into a context

Irreversible wrote:

Do you mind elaborating on those diffnames? I can't really put excruciating, tragic death and tortured soul into a context

Well Berserk is all about suffering, so I guess its' supposed to be following the scale of suffering from mild to absolutely fucking fucked up which is The Eclipse.

Fezu wrote:

Doesn't help the system is rigged when meme mappers like Vinxis or Monstrata has free reign and contacts that can get maps ranked within 2-4 pages of mods.

any1 tht isnt garbo at mapping can get ther mapz ranked within 2-4 pages of modz if they wanted 2 helo.. : /

lets talk if u wana on osU but im watchin anime rn so la ter,

Sotarks wrote:

chill guys~

The diff names show a progression of pain. Past Excruciating they also relate to the plot of Berserk. Hopefully this doesn't spoil too much, but basically the "Tragic Death" isn't the end for the main character, and they have to continue living, hence why Tortured Soul is even more difficult, whereas usually you'd consider "death" the last difficulty in a spread ostensibly related to pain.

Painful > Blistering > Traumatized > Agonizing > Excruciating all tell the feeling of pain throughout the series, culminating in Tragic Death, Tortured Souls, and of course, the Eclipse, where life, death, and rebirth meet.

Monstrata wrote:

I'll take a more detailed look when I get home, but it seems you generally aren't pleased with the way I use spacing and DS in my map. Unfortunately we'll just have to disagree on that. I'm happy to provide better reasons and logic behind these spacings. However, I don't plan on changing anything unless it's a mistake on my part, like the volume dq earlier. (Of course, since I don't have osu on atm, I can't judge, so give me an hour first to get home).

Dropping back in to see whats gone on after my post, and this would be preferred. I'd like to hear some kind of explaination as to why these 'problems' exist. Dependent on opinions, I think from this point on controversial (or in this case, more subjective) subjects like what I placed in my rant/mod should be open for major discussion in a civil manor (more pointing towards myself) . I feel theres much more to this that should be said and providing reasons and your own logic to these spacings would be a good start for this possibility of a discussion.

Shiny Spoon wrote:

Are you fucking joking? My sincerest of apologies.

Usually, I just look at these maps, take it up the ass and play older ones where I could actually stand it, but shown by this map 2016 is an absolute shit show of bad maps and I just seen one of the worst of all. Lets take a look I'm terribly sorry you think that.

[Eclipse]

Theres nothing more to say about this map than throw it in the fucking graveyard, but just to humor myself. Ill explain my thoughts anyway. I look forward to your thoughtful explanations, and I wish to thank you beforehand for your invaluable time and effort.

The beginning is okay, up until this part. Great!

00:12:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - What is this spacing and WHY is it intensifying so much? The song here has NO change in intensity, and the hitsounds barely make it intensified either. I agree with the whole "lets space it out as the jumps move forth," but dont make the god damn jumps across the screen, literally ONLY going for difficulty and I've never seen it more blatant. I'm so sorry for having been so blatant. I do enjoy using spacing to create an intensity spike, and I strongly believe such a technique works here. In my most honest of opinions, I believe that the pitch of the vocal combined with the song's lead-in to a super-intense stream section allow me to use such a spacing technique.

00:19:151 (1) - From this note in the stream forth, what is the point of spacing this out more? Its not like the riff gets intensified more/higher in volume. Theres no reason to make this more spaced than the ones before. The guitar only calls for one spaced out section, then back to what it was. Thats how it should play from how it sounds, its a rhythm game for fucks sake. Ah. An excellent observation. My intention here is simply to create a more difficult counterpart to the first iteration of those streams. I think the increase in spacing past 00:18:228 - prepare to player for an increase in spacing. I do apologize for having offended you with my spacing, however.

00:21:613 (9) - Why aren't you atleast LOWERING the spacing? The intensity here is dropping yet for some reason you drop it here 00:22:536 (1) - ? I don't believe the intensity has quite dropped yet. In my most humblest of opinions, I think my spacing reflects how I feel the instruments are being expressed here. I decided to change spacing only when the guitar became inaudible. Sorry for not having explained this in my beatmap description. I do humbly apologize.

00:24:997 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - This spacing is SO inconsistent from the spacing you had in the beginning burst. Theres other ones you can find straight after too, not hard to find as its so blatant. I do believe that the intensity of the song here in a verse section is slightly different from the song during its intense introduction. My deepest apologies for so blatantly mapping two different sections of a song differently.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Hey guys, I know a great idea! You know how im only known for triangles? Yeah? So let me just add a fucking triangle pattern here, and make it have no rhythmic placement whatsoever, Haaha AHAHA memes bois! I sincerely apologize for mapping these triangles. They were obviously in poor trigonometric taste. I do believe the spacing rhythm I created here is unique, and different from the regular or "normal" rhythm of the song, and personally I find it enjoyable to play. I apologize again that you found it so offensive.

Oh wow, that pattern is god awful, you did it so much better in previous diffs with sliders and a couple hit circles. it actually FITS. PLEASE Please do forgive me for I have sinned.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think a part of me died for the mapping community when I saw this shit can get ranked. These should not be across the screen jumps at all, because yet again its blatant difficulty mapping with no regard to the music whatsoever. Sorry. Really, that is all I can say. Sorry for causing you such an offense with my spacing concept. However, like earlier, I believe the song's intensity can indeed be accentuated through these spacing increases. Honestly though, I meant you no harm, and I do beg you for your forgiveness here once again.

01:01:613 (1,2,3) - The intensity drops a bit here, so why does it increase in difficulty? Hmm.....I think that ones obvious. I'm sorry I missed something so obvious. Perhaps I just didn't think the intensity dropped here. Accept my apologies... please!

01:17:920 (1) - From this point on, any ounce of consistency you may of had dropped to an all time 0% because this stream isn't intensified in any way, literally the same exact riff from the beginning, and worst of all, its not even intensified by a kiai time??? I'm sorry for not putting Kiai time here. I simply didn't wish for there to be any Kiai time on this song. I do believe the intensity is conveyed through the spacedness, however I completely understand your disposition toward spaced streams.

BUT WAIT IM NOT DONE WITH THAT STREAM Thank you. I am forever in debt to your guidance.

01:21:920 (1) - OH LOOK this note is the start of the exact same spacing as the previous stream before the spacing increase supported by the song, but you didnt do that earlier? What was the point of that??? It seems here you just thought you couldn't get away with more spacing it seems. I'm sorry for not spacing it more. I simply believed that this was the full extent of the song's intensity. I'm sorry for not overstepping my boundaries and spacing it even further.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - yay more across the screen jumps. Kill me. Yes, please, thank you. And sorry again.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

A little more bareable of a diff for me, but still not great enough for ranking in my eyes. I'm glad you found it more bareable. I too found the difficulty more bearable and I hope your concerns reflect that.

00:15:613 (2) - This stream forth the biggest problem I have with this is the awkwardness of these stream pauses. I feel it'd be so much better to be using repeat sliders. My apologies. Let me explain this better. I simply wished to have a jump between the guitar note, and the guitar scale. I hope this helps in clearing up our misconceptions. Thank you for allowing me this humble opportunity to do so.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - These are so bad for a pattern, they make no sense and is so gimmicky in a map that has literally no other gimmick, I have no idea why you'd put these here in this way, again like earlier. SLIDERS SLIDERS SLIDERS. I've seen you use them nicely before, they'd fit here perfectly. I do believe that the change in spacing occurs naturally if you were to listen closely to the song. The stacks with different New Combo's (New Combo's are shorthanded as NC's) also aide this effect.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I dont even have to say anything, you know what im going to say. (*Cough* screen jumps *cough*) I am terribly sorry for causing you such respiratory harm through these jumps. Like earlier, I do believe such an increase is warranted.

01:17:920 (1) - The structure is well done comparative to the beginning, the spacing should stay atleast consistent, its literally no different from earlier. I do believe the sound here is different from what comes after. However I do apologize for mapping two different sounds to two different spacing's regardless.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Honestly, I dont mind this one as much, its so much better than across the screen jumps. Thank you kindly for your warm words.

[Tragic Death Extra]

00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Eh, something about this pattern doesnt seem right and again the spacing is horrid. I'm terribly sorry. I believe the placements play well though.

00:15:459 (1) - Comparative to the diff above this, this is so much better of a way to reduce difficulty and making it not play like absolute shit. My deepest gratitude at these hopeful words. I'm relieved to hear that this interpretation of the streams has found favor in your eyes.

00:18:843 (9,10) - These feel pretty awkward playability wise. My apologies. They flow the way I wanted them to, and create a nice snapping structure, however I'm terribly sorry for having caused you such awkward feelings.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is so much better than the diff above, but still super awkward for a map that you developed this to be. In both this diff and the last, you hype the map up with these intense jump patterns, yet for some reason these are so underwhelmingly close to each other. Im not saying increase the spacing a shit ton, but increase it a LITTLE bit, nothing insane. Make visible patterns, but dont make them over exaggerated. This is definitely a place to have low spacing, but not a place to have intense spacing. This section, just like the diff above is a massive flow breaker and needs fixing. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I believe what I have works well though, and I think here, I would prefer to stray away from the "norm" and present these kinds of interesting spacing's and arrangements instead. I believe the section is quite unique to the music, and I thank you again for allowing me to tap into your wellspring of knowledge.

01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing so bad, too much spacing here. I do apologize once again.

01:18:228 (1) - This section forth for the streams, they're beautiful, this is how it SHOULD be mapped, its perfect this way. I have no words but eternal gratitude and thanksgiving.

[Final Thoughts]

I will say right now that I bare no hard feelings toward you, and im more concerned and very annoyed at this mapset for its ridiculously high star rating for such a song like this. Im sorry, theres no other way I can put this, but this is like an attention seeker map, this is only made to be difficult, and like an attention seeker, its so fucking obvious. You honestly should've stopped at Tragic Death Extra.

The reasoning behind Tragic Death Extra being a stopping point is it has patterns that are most definitely iffy, but they're fixable, the ones above are blatantly going for difficulty, and the way its mapped is massively pushing it. Tragic Death pushes it a bit, but the next ones upward are so blatantly trying to go for difficulty that its actually saddening to see it.

Although, you may not take most of my suggestions into consideration, I am only trying to get my own opinion, despite it most definitely being unpopular of an opinion, which makes it even harder to make a post so upfront and oppressive to current metas. I only wish you the best of luck on this mapset. No hard feelings toward you again, I definitely tried to tone my mod town as I went forth.

Best of luck.

- Spoon

Red: Keep, sorry, but I took your suggestion to heart and will continue to build on it in future maps. Sorry I could not apply it to this section in particular.

Green: Also keep.

Thank you so much for this mod. I'm sorry for having offended you to such an extent.

Monstrata wrote:

Red: Keep, sorry, but I took your suggestion to heart and will continue to build on it in future maps. Sorry I could not apply it to this section in particular.

Green: Also keep.

Savage confirmed

fieryrage wrote:

Fezu wrote:

Oh wow a post count 66 mod that is aggressive as fuck, wow. You know so much about mapping!

to be fair you don't know much either, so i don't know why you're trying to counter-aggro

giving some points from my point of view on the top diff but i understand if you disagree with them:

• od 10 seems pretty overkill imo but i can't really argue against it
  00:02:228 (9) - 1/4 slider might fit better here? rhythm calls for it, sort of I think 1/2 slider is better so theres a more consistent rhythm that transitions out of the streams and into the next pattern. Would apply to all. Using a kickslider kinda creates this 1/1 gap that I don't enjoy ever, given the spacing xP. And using two kicksliders feels like its forcing the rhythm for some of these cases below, and I'd prefer to be more consistent in that respect (rhythm wise) since I already take liberties with spacing.
  00:04:074 (9) - ^
  00:05:920 (9) - ^
  00:16:074 (1,2,3,4) - this could use a bit more spacing for the guitar I'd prefer to just map the guitar shift to a shift in the stream. I generally don't like mapping spacing changes that are under 5 circles long. It's just not something I like to play since I value consistent spacing more. This is definitely something to consider for wubby style maps though, where short spacing changes would definitely help.
  00:16:997 (1,2,3,4) - ^
  00:19:766 (1,2,3,4) - ^ ya basically every section like this tbh
  00:23:151 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - stuff like this that isn't really intensified might be better off with some sliders in between? I want circles here for the drum. The spacing is already quite small. I think using sliders is unnecessary.
  00:38:536 (2,3,4) - nc these? pretty spread out so nc would be good for aesthetics and stuffzz Due to the length between these, I'd like to keep the NC for the follow point. I think the only diff where I don't do this is one of the lower extras, Excruciating i think? cuz theres a symmetrical slider pattern being used instead of circles.
  00:47:305 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - streams like this could be better with some distance snap variation imo, having it all the same is pretty bland playing-wise I prefer to focus more on the angle change and overlaps here.
  01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - pretty overkill for a non-intense part of the song tbh This is one of the highlights of the song for me.
  01:14:843 (1,1) - remove ncs? I think it's better to NC here so players are more aware of the rhythm due to a lack of follow points.
  
  as for the final stream i feel like it should have nc's every 8th note instead of 12th note (and nc the 4 note stream left over) and space it accordingly to that, for example 01:23:459 (9,10,11,12) - these notes are pretty intense compared to the stream before it and should be nc'd on the 9th note and spaced out a bit more, personal opinion tho I prefer every 12, it fits more rhythmically imo.

pretty alright map though

Thanks fieryrage!

00:15:459 - Why is this stream section so much easier than 01:18:228 when its quite literally the same thing in the song? This map plays so forced and the difficulty just spikes at random spots without reason when the song is really quite basic with 2 or 3 different intensities.

Smoothie World wrote:

00:15:459 - Why is this stream section so much easier than 01:18:228 when its quite literally the same thing in the song? This map plays so forced and the difficulty just spikes at random spots without reason when the song is really quite basic with 2 or 3 different intensities.

It just doesn't feel appropriate to put the most difficult patterns within the first 15 seconds of the map. Also, when a section is completely repeated later, i like to give the earlier iteration less spacing, and the later one more emphasis in order to create some contrast, as well as intensity increase. It's not reflected in the song, yes. It's really my interpretation of it. Same section = same spacing is good sometimes, but I personally find it boring when its a really intense section that's being repeated.

After reading your post, im going to present a counter argument. (Despite your posts heavy sarcasm)

Monstrata wrote:

Shiny Spoon wrote:

Are you fucking joking? My sincerest of apologies.

Usually, I just look at these maps, take it up the ass and play older ones where I could actually stand it, but shown by this map 2016 is an absolute shit show of bad maps and I just seen one of the worst of all. Lets take a look I'm terribly sorry you think that.

[Eclipse]

Theres nothing more to say about this map than throw it in the fucking graveyard, but just to humor myself. Ill explain my thoughts anyway. I look forward to your thoughtful explanations, and I wish to thank you beforehand for your invaluable time and effort.

The beginning is okay, up until this part. Great!

00:12:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - What is this spacing and WHY is it intensifying so much? The song here has NO change in intensity, and the hitsounds barely make it intensified either. I agree with the whole "lets space it out as the jumps move forth," but dont make the god damn jumps across the screen, literally ONLY going for difficulty and I've never seen it more blatant. I'm so sorry for having been so blatant. I do enjoy using spacing to create an intensity spike, and I strongly believe such a technique works here. In my most honest of opinions, I believe that the pitch of the vocal combined with the song's lead-in to a super-intense stream section allow me to use such a spacing technique.

You bring up a good point on the vocals leading into a stream sections, but from what I hear, the intensity of the vocals raises up to about 00:12:843 (2) - here, but it drops as the voice gets a bit quieter. until about here 00:14:228 (5) - , where it raises in intensity again, which is where spacing should be raised higher. So biased off the vocals. The jump section, using your technique, should go spaced out more, shorter spacing, then back to higher. The instrumental portion of this section generally doesn't change up until your stream section.

00:19:151 (1) - From this note in the stream forth, what is the point of spacing this out more? Its not like the riff gets intensified more/higher in volume. Theres no reason to make this more spaced than the ones before. The guitar only calls for one spaced out section, then back to what it was. Thats how it should play from how it sounds, its a rhythm game for fucks sake. Ah. An excellent observation. My intention here is simply to create a more difficult counterpart to the first iteration of those streams. I think the increase in spacing past 00:18:228 - prepare to player for an increase in spacing. I do apologize for having offended you with my spacing, however.

You say the increase in spacing prepares the player for an increase in spacing, but how? The section straight after is very close together for the most part, with no ease into the jumps.

00:21:613 (9) - Why aren't you atleast LOWERING the spacing? The intensity here is dropping yet for some reason you drop it here 00:22:536 (1) - ? I don't believe the intensity has quite dropped yet. In my most humblest of opinions, I think my spacing reflects how I feel the instruments are being expressed here. I decided to change spacing only when the guitar became inaudible. Sorry for not having explained this in my beatmap description. I do humbly apologize.

Fair enough. I agree.

00:24:997 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - This spacing is SO inconsistent from the spacing you had in the beginning burst. Theres other ones you can find straight after too, not hard to find as its so blatant. I do believe that the intensity of the song here in a verse section is slightly different from the song during its intense introduction. My deepest apologies for so blatantly mapping two different sections of a song differently.

Again, fair enough. I can get around this more than most parts I mentioned.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Hey guys, I know a great idea! You know how im only known for triangles? Yeah? So let me just add a fucking triangle pattern here, and make it have no rhythmic placement whatsoever, Haaha AHAHA memes bois! I sincerely apologize for mapping these triangles. They were obviously in poor trigonometric taste. I do believe the spacing rhythm I created here is unique, and different from the regular or "normal" rhythm of the song, and personally I find it enjoyable to play. I apologize again that you found it so offensive.

This section, you can hear it strain out a bit where certain hitcircles are placed, and would flow much better if there were more sliders.

Oh wow, that pattern is god awful, you did it so much better in previous diffs with sliders and a couple hit circles. it actually FITS. PLEASE Please do forgive me for I have sinned.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think a part of me died for the mapping community when I saw this shit can get ranked. These should not be across the screen jumps at all, because yet again its blatant difficulty mapping with no regard to the music whatsoever. Sorry. Really, that is all I can say. Sorry for causing you such an offense with my spacing concept. However, like earlier, I believe the song's intensity can indeed be accentuated through these spacing increases. Honestly though, I meant you no harm, and I do beg you for your forgiveness here once again.

As stated earlier, you use the vocals as a backup to these spacings, but the same applies with the instruments, almost no intensity change, but the vocals do have intensity after this jump section. 01:03:766 (2) - Right about here, you can hear the vocals at a higher pitch than earlier when the across the screen jumps were placed, if you're trying to atleast be consistent, or going with the song in your own styles, then wouldn't that mean these would be spaced out even more?

01:01:613 (1,2,3) - The intensity drops a bit here, so why does it increase in difficulty? Hmm.....I think that ones obvious. I'm sorry I missed something so obvious. Perhaps I just didn't think the intensity dropped here. Accept my apologies... please!

Lets take a step back, despite the sarcastic comment, let me put a bit of your own perspective into why this isn't how it should be. The jumps are biased off of vocal and instrumental. So the instrumental portion drops here, the vocals drop a bit in pitch as well, and raise back up. So in your own mapping 'philosophy' that would mean the jumps lower and spread out again.

01:17:920 (1) - From this point on, any ounce of consistency you may of had dropped to an all time 0% because this stream isn't intensified in any way, literally the same exact riff from the beginning, and worst of all, its not even intensified by a kiai time??? I'm sorry for not putting Kiai time here. I simply didn't wish for there to be any Kiai time on this song. I do believe the intensity is conveyed through the spacedness, however I completely understand your disposition toward spaced streams.



BUT WAIT IM NOT DONE WITH THAT STREAM Thank you. I am forever in debt to your guidance.

01:21:920 (1) - OH LOOK this note is the start of the exact same spacing as the previous stream before the spacing increase supported by the song, but you didnt do that earlier? What was the point of that??? It seems here you just thought you couldn't get away with more spacing it seems. I'm sorry for not spacing it more. I simply believed that this was the full extent of the song's intensity. I'm sorry for not overstepping my boundaries and spacing it even further.

if you believe this is the extent of the songs intensity, considering its the same exact riff from the beginning, then why aren't they similar to each other? Theres no vocals to back the spacing up either.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - yay more across the screen jumps. Kill me. Yes, please, thank you. And sorry again.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

A little more bareable of a diff for me, but still not great enough for ranking in my eyes. I'm glad you found it more bareable. I too found the difficulty more bearable and I hope your concerns reflect that.

00:15:613 (2) - This stream forth the biggest problem I have with this is the awkwardness of these stream pauses. I feel it'd be so much better to be using repeat sliders. My apologies. Let me explain this better. I simply wished to have a jump between the guitar note, and the guitar scale. I hope this helps in clearing up our misconceptions. Thank you for allowing me this humble opportunity to do so.

In terms of playability, its really flows awkwardly, whether its the structure or the spacing in between, it plays awkwardly.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - These are so bad for a pattern, they make no sense and is so gimmicky in a map that has literally no other gimmick, I have no idea why you'd put these here in this way, again like earlier. SLIDERS SLIDERS SLIDERS. I've seen you use them nicely before, they'd fit here perfectly. I do believe that the change in spacing occurs naturally if you were to listen closely to the song. The stacks with different New Combo's (New Combo's are shorthanded as NC's) also aide this effect.

This pattern, is something you'd see out of a gimmick map, playing it several times, and it doesnt get any less awkward. I dont know, maybe you'd know if you could actually take the time and effort to test play your songs. (if you can even pass them anyway).

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I dont even have to say anything, you know what im going to say. (*Cough* screen jumps *cough*) I am terribly sorry for causing you such respiratory harm through these jumps. Like earlier, I do believe such an increase is warranted.

Increase is warranted with a decrease as well, like I said earlier.

01:17:920 (1) - The structure is well done comparative to the beginning, the spacing should stay atleast consistent, its literally no different from earlier. I do believe the sound here is different from what comes after. However I do apologize for mapping two different sounds to two different spacing's regardless.

No, the sound is completely the same in terms of drums, which is whats most prevalent in this section.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Honestly, I dont mind this one as much, its so much better than across the screen jumps. Thank you kindly for your warm words.

[Tragic Death Extra]

00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Eh, something about this pattern doesnt seem right and again the spacing is horrid. I'm terribly sorry. I believe the placements play well though.

00:15:459 (1) - Comparative to the diff above this, this is so much better of a way to reduce difficulty and making it not play like absolute shit. My deepest gratitude at these hopeful words. I'm relieved to hear that this interpretation of the streams has found favor in your eyes.

00:18:843 (9,10) - These feel pretty awkward playability wise. My apologies. They flow the way I wanted them to, and create a nice snapping structure, however I'm terribly sorry for having caused you such awkward feelings.

I dont know about this section, my only concern is the fact that it could cause a random and annoying break problem.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is so much better than the diff above, but still super awkward for a map that you developed this to be. In both this diff and the last, you hype the map up with these intense jump patterns, yet for some reason these are so underwhelmingly close to each other. Im not saying increase the spacing a shit ton, but increase it a LITTLE bit, nothing insane. Make visible patterns, but dont make them over exaggerated. This is definitely a place to have low spacing, but not a place to have intense spacing. This section, just like the diff above is a massive flow breaker and needs fixing. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I believe what I have works well though, and I think here, I would prefer to stray away from the "norm" and present these kinds of interesting spacing's and arrangements instead. I believe the section is quite unique to the music, and I thank you again for allowing me to tap into your wellspring of knowledge.

Unique, yes. For this song? No, because this feels gimmicky, and this song does feel nor sound like a gimmick song.

01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing so bad, too much spacing here. I do apologize once again.

Your mind can probably think of what I'll say here.

01:18:228 (1) - This section forth for the streams, they're beautiful, this is how it SHOULD be mapped, its perfect this way. I have no words but eternal gratitude and thanksgiving.

[Final Thoughts]

I will say right now that I bare no hard feelings toward you, and im more concerned and very annoyed at this mapset for its ridiculously high star rating for such a song like this. Im sorry, theres no other way I can put this, but this is like an attention seeker map, this is only made to be difficult, and like an attention seeker, its so fucking obvious. You honestly should've stopped at Tragic Death Extra.

The reasoning behind Tragic Death Extra being a stopping point is it has patterns that are most definitely iffy, but they're fixable, the ones above are blatantly going for difficulty, and the way its mapped is massively pushing it. Tragic Death pushes it a bit, but the next ones upward are so blatantly trying to go for difficulty that its actually saddening to see it.

Although, you may not take most of my suggestions into consideration, I am only trying to get my own opinion, despite it most definitely being unpopular of an opinion, which makes it even harder to make a post so upfront and oppressive to current metas. I only wish you the best of luck on this mapset. No hard feelings toward you again, I definitely tried to tone my mod town as I went forth.

Best of luck.

- Spoon

Red: Keep, sorry, but I took your suggestion to heart and will continue to build on it in future maps. Sorry I could not apply it to this section in particular.

Green: Also keep.

Thank you so much for this mod. I'm sorry for having offended you to such an extent.

Red = Counter Argument
Purple = Could use work.

osu is meant to be a fun game

Shiny Spoon wrote:

After reading your post, im going to present a counter argument. (Despite your posts heavy sarcasm)

Shiny Spoon wrote:

Are you fucking joking? My sincerest of apologies.

Usually, I just look at these maps, take it up the ass and play older ones where I could actually stand it, but shown by this map 2016 is an absolute shit show of bad maps and I just seen one of the worst of all. Lets take a look I'm terribly sorry you think that.

[Eclipse]

Theres nothing more to say about this map than throw it in the fucking graveyard, but just to humor myself. Ill explain my thoughts anyway. I look forward to your thoughtful explanations, and I wish to thank you beforehand for your invaluable time and effort.

The beginning is okay, up until this part. Great!

00:12:690 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - What is this spacing and WHY is it intensifying so much? The song here has NO change in intensity, and the hitsounds barely make it intensified either. I agree with the whole "lets space it out as the jumps move forth," but dont make the god damn jumps across the screen, literally ONLY going for difficulty and I've never seen it more blatant. I'm so sorry for having been so blatant. I do enjoy using spacing to create an intensity spike, and I strongly believe such a technique works here. In my most honest of opinions, I believe that the pitch of the vocal combined with the song's lead-in to a super-intense stream section allow me to use such a spacing technique.

You bring up a good point on the vocals leading into a stream sections, but from what I hear, the intensity of the vocals raises up to about 00:12:843 (2) - here, but it drops as the voice gets a bit quieter. until about here 00:14:228 (5) - , where it raises in intensity again, which is where spacing should be raised higher. So biased off the vocals. The jump section, using your technique, should go spaced out more, shorter spacing, then back to higher. The instrumental portion of this section generally doesn't change up until your stream section. No, sorry. Now you're just being too specific to prove your point. When you consider intensity, you consider a section of music, and you consider single notes. Building intensity = consider whole section's spacing concept. Creating specific emphasis = consider specific notes relative to other notes in the second..

00:19:151 (1) - From this note in the stream forth, what is the point of spacing this out more? Its not like the riff gets intensified more/higher in volume. Theres no reason to make this more spaced than the ones before. The guitar only calls for one spaced out section, then back to what it was. Thats how it should play from how it sounds, its a rhythm game for fucks sake. Ah. An excellent observation. My intention here is simply to create a more difficult counterpart to the first iteration of those streams. I think the increase in spacing past 00:18:228 - prepare to player for an increase in spacing. I do apologize for having offended you with my spacing, however.

You say the increase in spacing prepares the player for an increase in spacing, but how? The section straight after is very close together for the most part, with no ease into the jumps. Spacing is higher.

00:21:613 (9) - Why aren't you atleast LOWERING the spacing? The intensity here is dropping yet for some reason you drop it here 00:22:536 (1) - ? I don't believe the intensity has quite dropped yet. In my most humblest of opinions, I think my spacing reflects how I feel the instruments are being expressed here. I decided to change spacing only when the guitar became inaudible. Sorry for not having explained this in my beatmap description. I do humbly apologize.

Fair enough. I agree.

00:24:997 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - This spacing is SO inconsistent from the spacing you had in the beginning burst. Theres other ones you can find straight after too, not hard to find as its so blatant. I do believe that the intensity of the song here in a verse section is slightly different from the song during its intense introduction. My deepest apologies for so blatantly mapping two different sections of a song differently.

Again, fair enough. I can get around this more than most parts I mentioned.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Hey guys, I know a great idea! You know how im only known for triangles? Yeah? So let me just add a fucking triangle pattern here, and make it have no rhythmic placement whatsoever, Haaha AHAHA memes bois! I sincerely apologize for mapping these triangles. They were obviously in poor trigonometric taste. I do believe the spacing rhythm I created here is unique, and different from the regular or "normal" rhythm of the song, and personally I find it enjoyable to play. I apologize again that you found it so offensive.

This section, you can hear it strain out a bit where certain hitcircles are placed, and would flow much better if there were more sliders.
No.
Oh wow, that pattern is god awful, you did it so much better in previous diffs with sliders and a couple hit circles. it actually FITS. PLEASE Please do forgive me for I have sinned.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think a part of me died for the mapping community when I saw this shit can get ranked. These should not be across the screen jumps at all, because yet again its blatant difficulty mapping with no regard to the music whatsoever. Sorry. Really, that is all I can say. Sorry for causing you such an offense with my spacing concept. However, like earlier, I believe the song's intensity can indeed be accentuated through these spacing increases. Honestly though, I meant you no harm, and I do beg you for your forgiveness here once again.

As stated earlier, you use the vocals as a backup to these spacings, but the same applies with the instruments, almost no intensity change, but the vocals do have intensity after this jump section. 01:03:766 (2) - Right about here, you can hear the vocals at a higher pitch than earlier when the across the screen jumps were placed, if you're trying to atleast be consistent, or going with the song in your own styles, then wouldn't that mean these would be spaced out even more? Same as what I said earlier.

01:01:613 (1,2,3) - The intensity drops a bit here, so why does it increase in difficulty? Hmm.....I think that ones obvious. I'm sorry I missed something so obvious. Perhaps I just didn't think the intensity dropped here. Accept my apologies... please!

Lets take a step back, despite the sarcastic comment, let me put a bit of your own perspective into why this isn't how it should be. The jumps are biased off of vocal and instrumental. So the instrumental portion drops here, the vocals drop a bit in pitch as well, and raise back up. So in your own mapping 'philosophy' that would mean the jumps lower and spread out again. Same as earlier. No change.

01:17:920 (1) - From this point on, any ounce of consistency you may of had dropped to an all time 0% because this stream isn't intensified in any way, literally the same exact riff from the beginning, and worst of all, its not even intensified by a kiai time??? I'm sorry for not putting Kiai time here. I simply didn't wish for there to be any Kiai time on this song. I do believe the intensity is conveyed through the spacedness, however I completely understand your disposition toward spaced streams.



BUT WAIT IM NOT DONE WITH THAT STREAM Thank you. I am forever in debt to your guidance.

01:21:920 (1) - OH LOOK this note is the start of the exact same spacing as the previous stream before the spacing increase supported by the song, but you didnt do that earlier? What was the point of that??? It seems here you just thought you couldn't get away with more spacing it seems. I'm sorry for not spacing it more. I simply believed that this was the full extent of the song's intensity. I'm sorry for not overstepping my boundaries and spacing it even further.

if you believe this is the extent of the songs intensity, considering its the same exact riff from the beginning, then why aren't they similar to each other? Theres no vocals to back the spacing up either. Explained in Smoothie World's reply.

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - yay more across the screen jumps. Kill me. Yes, please, thank you. And sorry again.

[Tortured Soul Extra]

A little more bareable of a diff for me, but still not great enough for ranking in my eyes. I'm glad you found it more bareable. I too found the difficulty more bearable and I hope your concerns reflect that.

00:15:613 (2) - This stream forth the biggest problem I have with this is the awkwardness of these stream pauses. I feel it'd be so much better to be using repeat sliders. My apologies. Let me explain this better. I simply wished to have a jump between the guitar note, and the guitar scale. I hope this helps in clearing up our misconceptions. Thank you for allowing me this humble opportunity to do so.

In terms of playability, its really flows awkwardly, whether its the structure or the spacing in between, it plays awkwardly. I disagree.

00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - These are so bad for a pattern, they make no sense and is so gimmicky in a map that has literally no other gimmick, I have no idea why you'd put these here in this way, again like earlier. SLIDERS SLIDERS SLIDERS. I've seen you use them nicely before, they'd fit here perfectly. I do believe that the change in spacing occurs naturally if you were to listen closely to the song. The stacks with different New Combo's (New Combo's are shorthanded as NC's) also aide this effect.

This pattern, is something you'd see out of a gimmick map, playing it several times, and it doesnt get any less awkward. I dont know, maybe you'd know if you could actually take the time and effort to test play your songs. (if you can even pass them anyway). This isn't even that gimmicky.

00:59:766 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I dont even have to say anything, you know what im going to say. (*Cough* screen jumps *cough*) I am terribly sorry for causing you such respiratory harm through these jumps. Like earlier, I do believe such an increase is warranted.

Increase is warranted with a decrease as well, like I said earlier. No, same as earlier.

01:17:920 (1) - The structure is well done comparative to the beginning, the spacing should stay atleast consistent, its literally no different from earlier. I do believe the sound here is different from what comes after. However I do apologize for mapping two different sounds to two different spacing's regardless.

No, the sound is completely the same in terms of drums, which is whats most prevalent in this section. No...

01:27:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Honestly, I dont mind this one as much, its so much better than across the screen jumps. Thank you kindly for your warm words.

[Tragic Death Extra]

00:13:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Eh, something about this pattern doesnt seem right and again the spacing is horrid. I'm terribly sorry. I believe the placements play well though.

00:15:459 (1) - Comparative to the diff above this, this is so much better of a way to reduce difficulty and making it not play like absolute shit. My deepest gratitude at these hopeful words. I'm relieved to hear that this interpretation of the streams has found favor in your eyes.

00:18:843 (9,10) - These feel pretty awkward playability wise. My apologies. They flow the way I wanted them to, and create a nice snapping structure, however I'm terribly sorry for having caused you such awkward feelings.

I dont know about this section, my only concern is the fact that it could cause a random and annoying break problem.
It could. It could also not.
00:52:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is so much better than the diff above, but still super awkward for a map that you developed this to be. In both this diff and the last, you hype the map up with these intense jump patterns, yet for some reason these are so underwhelmingly close to each other. Im not saying increase the spacing a shit ton, but increase it a LITTLE bit, nothing insane. Make visible patterns, but dont make them over exaggerated. This is definitely a place to have low spacing, but not a place to have intense spacing. This section, just like the diff above is a massive flow breaker and needs fixing. Thank you for your words of wisdom. I believe what I have works well though, and I think here, I would prefer to stray away from the "norm" and present these kinds of interesting spacing's and arrangements instead. I believe the section is quite unique to the music, and I thank you again for allowing me to tap into your wellspring of knowledge.

Unique, yes. For this song? No, because this feels gimmicky, and this song does feel nor sound like a gimmick song. Same as earlier.

01:01:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - spacing so bad, too much spacing here. I do apologize once again.

Your mind can probably think of what I'll say here. No.

01:18:228 (1) - This section forth for the streams, they're beautiful, this is how it SHOULD be mapped, its perfect this way. I have no words but eternal gratitude and thanksgiving.

[Final Thoughts]

I will say right now that I bare no hard feelings toward you, and im more concerned and very annoyed at this mapset for its ridiculously high star rating for such a song like this. Im sorry, theres no other way I can put this, but this is like an attention seeker map, this is only made to be difficult, and like an attention seeker, its so fucking obvious. You honestly should've stopped at Tragic Death Extra.

The reasoning behind Tragic Death Extra being a stopping point is it has patterns that are most definitely iffy, but they're fixable, the ones above are blatantly going for difficulty, and the way its mapped is massively pushing it. Tragic Death pushes it a bit, but the next ones upward are so blatantly trying to go for difficulty that its actually saddening to see it.

Although, you may not take most of my suggestions into consideration, I am only trying to get my own opinion, despite it most definitely being unpopular of an opinion, which makes it even harder to make a post so upfront and oppressive to current metas. I only wish you the best of luck on this mapset. No hard feelings toward you again, I definitely tried to tone my mod town as I went forth.

Best of luck.

- Spoon

Red: Keep, sorry, but I took your suggestion to heart and will continue to build on it in future maps. Sorry I could not apply it to this section in particular.

Green: Also keep.

Thank you so much for this mod. I'm sorry for having offended you to such an extent.


Red = Counter Argument
Purple = Could use work.

Thanks!!

Monstrata wrote:

Smoothie World wrote:

00:15:459 - Why is this stream section so much easier than 01:18:228 when its quite literally the same thing in the song? This map plays so forced and the difficulty just spikes at random spots without reason when the song is really quite basic with 2 or 3 different intensities.

It just doesn't feel appropriate to put the most difficult patterns within the first 15 seconds of the map. Also, when a section is completely repeated later, i like to give the earlier iteration less spacing, and the later one more emphasis in order to create some contrast, as well as intensity increase. It's not reflected in the song, yes. It's really my interpretation of it. Same section = same spacing is good sometimes, but I personally find it boring when its a really intense section that's being repeated.

Can you please stop using "it's my interpretation of it" as an argument on itself? If you have no fundament that you base your 'interpretation' on / openly admit that there is none, then don't expect it to be accepted. This is quite on point here:

That's quite an ironic statement lol. The same can be said for people who interpret "same intensity" as requiring "same spacing". It's their interpretation. I've interpreted maps that way for too long, and I've come to find that it really limits mapping expression by creating too many rules. You're welcome to disagree with my interpretation. I'm not expecting everyone to like my maps. There are many fundamentals in which I base my spacing interpretation on. The song's winding atmosphere in certain sections, the song's holistic progression, the central theme of growing pain and agony that's evident throughout the entire set... I put a lot of thought into my maps, I just don't feel the need to explain them. I generally dislike pedantry. But I can actually argue my points instead of using the "tell me where in RC that says this is unrankable" argument that you should be quite familiar with now xD.

"same intensity = same spacing" is an interpretative guideline that is related to the song, whatever you are doing is not, so I don't see how that's ironic.

If your reason for mapping the same thing differently is "the central theme of growing pain and agony that's evident throughout the entire set", then why not say that instead of the answer I just quoted? Looks like a much shorter answer and more reasonable to me, but now it just seems like you come up with a new reasoning as soon as the old one isn't being accepted anymore just to somehow get through with it.

Assuming that "the central theme of growing pain and agony that's evident throughout the entire set" is your real reasoning: I don't think that conveying this central theme worked here as it doesn't appear evident to me at all and looking at this thread it seems like nobody else got it either, and if your interpretation doesn't reach the players but instead leaves them wondering why you made the map like this then I don't consider that a good map in this aspect either.
fun fact: In german there's an idiom going "well-meant is the opposite of good"

You've already told me some of your fundamentals that you base your spacing interpretation on, and after reading through the full log of what I quoted a few pages ago again I can assure you that adding more context to it wouldn't put you in any better light, so don't try to act up all sophisticated here.

Can we all just calm down here? Monstrata is the guy that won the Aspire beatmapping contest of 2016 on the osu! game (developed by peppy). Have you been to his userpage? He is an Elite Mapper, not just a good mapper. So please, if you don't at least have the Elite Mapper title like Monstrata, your opinions on this map mean little to nothing. Monstrata has also created many other jaw dropping masterpieces like Santa San and ALIEN. If you cant play his map then you are just too weak #hollowwings #ghandi #allah #trump4president #freesmoothieworld #unbancookiezi

I've considered your concerns. I think you're too keen on your mapping philosophy being the correct one. Anyways, i've thoroughly entertained this discussion about spacing. You're welcome to continue the discussion on quaver where the spacing concept becomes the entire gimmick of the map. There's no point clarifying any more past here. We both know each others' arguments and we can't come to an agreement. That often happens.

Yunomi wrote:

Can we all just calm down here? Monstrata is the guy that won the Aspire beatmapping contest of 2016 on the osu! game (developed by peppy). Have you been to his userpage? He is an Elite Mapper, not just a good mapper. So please, if you don't at least have the Elite Mapper title like Monstrata, your opinions on this map mean little to nothing. Monstrata has also created many other jaw dropping masterpieces like Santa San and ALIEN. If you cant play his map then you are just too weak #hollowwings #ghandi #allah #trump4president #freesmoothieworld #unbancookiezi

Please stop.



Please put the focus to help the mapper and avoid any unnecessary conversations/comments here.

im just gunna note that most of the issues that were pointed out apply to almost every single other map that are ranked and seemed to be exaggerated here only because of the difficulty o-o

relative difficulty,,..,

edit: i do hav a question as 2 y 00:59:766 - and the stream is much hardr than the part in th middl :/ it makez no sens

edit2: wording,,

every monstrata map ever

It's a really intense section too @vinxis. I think the streams are more intense though, even if that's not reflected in the star rating system, or aim graphs.

th streamheavy parts r shown on th intense graphs lo (intensity = speed i guess idk Xd)

i was jstu thinking tht its rly weird tht the part between the aim heavy adn the stream heavy parts r much easir than those 2 spikes cuz it all seems p even in terms of the song'z intense CIty ;/

edit: id jsut suggest buffing the part between the aim intensive and stream intensive part but thts me,, tht way u keep evrythign else intact while mainting a better relative difficulty lo,

Mmm... I don't think so.

i edited both of my posts 2 jstu clear things up,, a bit cuz tHER mite b som misunderstanding as to wot im acutaly trying 2 tell u

wot i was actualy talking about is 01:03:459 - to 01:17:920 - being rlly ez compared to the jumps and the stream (before and after the part respectively) even tho the song's intensity is the same,,

the edit i made on the previous post is jstu a suggestion tht id recommmend for th diffz but yehja i dont think itll change ur mind anywy

i lik th rest of the map/diffs tho aside for tht,, thank mr monstrato.