SpectorGP wrote:

kacau jo wouwww !

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.

[Emiria] wrote:

wow ctb #4

Fantasy wrote:

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.

if it's the game fault why are you exploiting it then



sup guys, time to give 8k leggendaria a mod yay

[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]

00:10:458 (10458|1,10458|5,10458|0,10538|3,10619|5,10619|7,10700|3,10780|0,10780|5,10780|7,10780|1,10861|3,10941|5,10941|1,11022|3,11103|1,11103|0,11103|7) - generally in scratch maps you REALLY want to avoid patterns like this it is stupidly uncomfortable 00:10:780 (10780|1,10941|1,11103|1) - this part for example these scratches are for cymbal sound 00:09:812 (9812|0,10135|0,10458|0,10780|0,11103|0) - as you notice scratches are for special sound, example: vocal, cymbal, ... and on 00:10:941 (10941|1) - it's flipped hand for more comfortable, also does better because of instrument itself too; do you like when it's on 7th? somehow right hand pain at first start

00:11:748 (11748|1,11748|3,11748|0,11909|2,11909|0,11909|4,12070|3,12070|7,12070|5,12070|0,12232|6,12232|4,12393|7,12393|0,12393|1,12393|5) -
this is way to excessive you could get away with just 3 00:11:748 (11748|0,11909|0,12070|0) - here, but adding another here 00:12:393 (12393|1,12393|0) - why 00:11:103 (11103|0,11425|0,11748|0,11909|0,12070|0) - are vocal, 00:11:748 (11748|1,11748|3,11909|2,11909|4,12070|3,12070|5,12232|6,12232|4,12393|7,12393|5) - instrument flowing, 00:12:070 (12070|7) - bass sound, 00:12:393 (12393|0) - cymbal

00:12:554 (12554|3,12635|5,12716|1,12716|4,12716|3,12877|4,12877|2) - after doing a scratch this pattern is very uncomfortable are you sure? as I notice in qualified ranking, they can pass this perfectly, unless you have proof / 00:12:393 (12393|1,12716|1,13038|1,13361|1) - this is kick / 00:12:716 (12716|3,13038|3,13361|3) - snare, and 00:12:877 (12877|2,13200|2,13522|2) - hihat, actually 00:12:554 (12554|3) - this does should be on 2nd too but I would think that 1357 patterns with 1/4 on 00:12:635 (12635|5) - would make it more better to play than it look / 00:12:393 (12393|1,12554|3,12554|6,12635|5,12716|7,12716|4) -

00:17:554 (17554|1,17554|0) - can you not map every scratch part pls what is the point of 8K if you're not using them (wow?) 00:17:070 (17070|0,17232|0) - japanese drum sound / 00:17:554 (17554|0) - cymbal
00:18:845 (18845|1,18845|0) - ^ 00:18:522 (18522|0) - japanese drum sound / 00:18:845 (18845|0) - cymbal
00:20:135 (20135|0) - ^ 00:20:619 (20619|0,20780|0,20941|0,21103|0,21264|0) - japanese drum sound / 00:20:135 (20135|0) - cymbal aaaaaa
00:20:377 (20377|0) - this is off timed? shouldn't it be here 00:20:296 (20296|0) - all the rest of them are the same soo ? error? what 00:20:619 (20619|0,20780|0,20941|0,21103|0,21264|0) - nope, 00:20:135 (20135|0,20377|0,20619|0) - main instrument, this is special case because it's almost done the first attemp, and a mini jack on 00:20:296 - would be a pain for me

00:20:780 (20780|0) - why is this scratch on finish? japanese drum sound aa

00:22:232 (22232|0) - should be a scratch here it's fine to let a scratch on here but / 00:21:587 (21587|0,21829|0,22070|0) - cymbal / 00:22:393 (22393|0) - this is bass mixed with cymbal sound, somehow i can't explain what instrument they used because I noob at musical / 00:22:716 (22716|0) - cymbal (the reason out of my mind that when db trying to follow cymbal only, that drum remain on 00:22:232 (22232|4,22393|4) - can't be a case to follow anymore because it sound weird if you do

00:27:877 (27877|0) - why is there so many scratches on the finishes 00:24:006 (24006|0,25296|0,26587|0) - flute / 00:27:554 (27554|0) - japanese drum sound

00:29:167 (29167|0) - ? flute

00:30:941 (30941|0,31103|0,31264|0,31425|0,31587|0) - lol explained

00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) - banana man ayy, dont be so rude, it's vocal

00:42:070 (42070|0) - scratches with trills 00:40:780 (40780|0,41425|0,42070|0,43361|0) - they are cymbal aaa

00:44:651 (44651|0,44651|5,44651|3,44651|7,44812|6,44812|4,44812|0,44812|2,44974|1,44974|3,44974|0,44974|5,45135|2,45135|6,45135|4,45135|0,45296|7,45296|3,45296|5,45296|0) - any problems? it's cymbal

00:55:619 (55619|0,55780|0,55941|0) - you can clearly hear the scratches on the blue tick, these are offtimed are you sure? don't you think it's vocal sound on special key? off-timed? please, they are on 1/2 perfectly

01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) - banana man explained

01:26:990 (86990|3,87070|4,87070|6,87151|3,87151|5) - uncomfortable give me a reason why it's uncomfortable then? this is both balanced and fit with melody good, bass and instrument

01:29:167 (89167|0,89329|0,89490|0,89812|0) - these barely follow anything plus the trill is almost unplayable 01:29:167 89167|3,89248|5,89329|3,89409|5,89490|3) - 01:28:200 (88200|0) - if this game support scratches then this should be 1/8 instead, also 01:28:845 (88845|0,89167|0,89329|0,89490|0) - this is vocal ... 01:29:812 (89812|0) - cymbal / 01:29:167 (89167|3,89248|5,89329|3,89409|5,89490|3) - kick sound

01:31:103 (91103|0) - you add a scratch here, but don't add another one here? 01:32:393 (92393|0) - or here? 01:32:070 (92070|0) - even tho theres a ping sound this part i dont know what it does but i will leave this to db

01:34:409 (94409|3,94490|5,94490|1,94490|7,94570|3,94570|6,94651|2,94651|7,94651|4,94651|1) - please remove that trill reason? why?

01:37:716 (97716|0) - scratch should be here? no

01:38:361 (98361|0) - ? this part is different than 00:30:941 - / yeah follow japanese drum is fine but with that double trill is a pain i would say

01:47:877 (107877|0) - here to 01:50:458 (110458|1) - all scratch patterns and overall chart is very inconsistent, it seems it's not really following anything 01:47:877 (107877|0,108119|0,108361|0,108522|0,108683|0,108845|0,109006|0) - they are main instrument / 01:49:167 (109167|0,109409|0,109651|0,109893|0,110135|0) - cymbal sound



i am not trying to bash on this chart, but the overall chart is very inconsistent and the scratches are blindly placed with no audio feedback on where to scratch some being on the finishes and some being on the ping/ting sounds. *not sure what they are called* also theres banana man like scratches which require dual scratch and osu doesn't have that feature so it's a bit unrankable unless you use macros and keybinds to do so, that's the only way to hit some of those unless ur yuko and you can smash ur pinky and jack scratch

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

aaa

Fantasy wrote:

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

aaa

didn't know you were victorica



the difference between me and you is I can actually play the map and many other kaiden users and lr2 bms gorillas say this map is low quality, quality is off but since your so stubborn you can't even accept criticism on top of that I wasn't even asking you I was asking the mapper directly, for you to jump in is mind blows me, it's like a mafia, as soon as i poisted my mod I get 4 replys within 5 minutes including somebody harassing me via the means of my rank, that's like saying hollow wings has no clue about standard mapping because hes low rank, I'm a 8k/7k bms noter I know a thing or 2 about mapping scratches right

also, since you can HEAR the sound doesn't mean scratches should be placed there, if that was the case then I should chart fleshgod apocalpyse 8k legendaria with some tasty 1/8th scratches, haha !! if you cant play map! it means ur to weak! haha

also since you wrote this



then erased it later, leads me to believe that you are writing this out of personal emotion and not actual constructive criticism

hey, just to be clear, i don't care if you already read my long reply what are they about but I ever say it's in my opinion, the left things are belongs to victorica_db a.k.a [Emiria]
and hey, I didn't say something rude to you, you have your opinion, you stand your opinion that's good, so do I, I have my must that I can stand with my opinion too, don't be such a rude person and saying like you're god of everything
yeah sure i'm not a iidx player, nor bms, and i'm noob of everything, i admit it, but you saying something like force us to fix to your point is nonsenses, people have they must and stand with it, if you don't like this map then you can mod it, even so I can reply to it with my point (even so it's not really important)
victorica_db has his must for adding that scratches, he testplayed it while mapping, he also good at playing IIDX and with scratches so I don't have any offsenses with his 8K chart then

No reply anymore, I'm tired.
db will reply to this soon, peace.

Fantasy wrote:

these are not opinions these are factual inconsistency in the chart and weird placement and overall playstyle of the chart that DOES not match at all, there is many parts in the chart that was placed and does not follow the same role/rhythm later on which leads me to believe that the scratches were placed "Randomly" there is some part that is not placed correctly. yet you disregard and you dont even take a look at it, you didn't even log on.

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Fantasy wrote:

these are not opinions these are factual inconsistency in the chart and weird placement and overall playstyle of the chart that DOES not match at all, there is many parts in the chart that was placed and does not follow the same role/rhythm later on which leads me to believe that the scratches were placed "Randomly" there is some part that is not placed correctly. yet you disregard and you dont even take a look at it, you didn't even log on.

chill.
if I not even log in, how i can copy and paste that note linkers and reply your mod?
i'm not a type of person who just say everything without proofs

Fantasy wrote:

hey, just to be clear, i don't care if you already read my long reply what are they about but I ever say it's in my opinion, the left things are belongs to victorica_db a.k.a [Emiria]
and hey, I didn't say something rude to you, you have your opinion, you stand your opinion that's good, so do I, I have my must that I can stand with my opinion too, don't be such a rude person and saying like you're god of everything
yeah sure i'm not a iidx player, nor bms, and i'm noob of everything, i admit it, but you saying something like force us to fix to your point is nonsenses, people have they must and stand with it, if you don't like this map then you can mod it, even so I can reply to it with my point (even so it's not really important)
victorica_db has his must for adding that scratches, he testplayed it while mapping, he also good at playing IIDX and with scratches so I don't have any offsenses with his 8K chart then

No reply anymore, I'm tired.
db will reply to this soon, peace.

these are not opinions these are factual inconsistency in the chart and weird placement and overall playstyle of the chart that DOES not match at all, there is many parts in the chart that was placed and does not follow the same role/rhythm later on which leads me to believe that the scratches were placed "Randomly" there is some part that is not placed correctly. yet you disregard and you dont even take a look at it, you didn't even log on.

Fantasy wrote:

stryver12 wrote:

No more silly DQ because scratches please....
It's the game's fault, not the beatmap's fault.

if it's the game fault why are you exploiting it then



sup guys, time to give 8k leggendaria a mod

[victorica's 8K Leggendaria]

00:10:458 (10458|1,10458|5,10458|0,10538|3,10619|5,10619|7,10700|3,10780|0,10780|5,10780|7,10780|1,10861|3,10941|5,10941|1,11022|3,11103|1,11103|0,11103|7) - generally in scratch maps you REALLY want to avoid patterns like this it is stupidly uncomfortable 00:10:780 (10780|1,10941|1,11103|1) - this part for examplewhy this is unconfortable ? because 1 drums ?
it is common pattern , see this i dont know why no one coplain to iidx "oh this is unconfortable please dont do this pattern"i think most of bms noter will have a habit that use 1 to map drum .so i think it is really common

00:11:748 (11748|1,11748|3,11748|0,11909|2,11909|0,11909|4,12070|3,12070|7,12070|5,12070|0,12232|6,12232|4,12393|7,12393|0,12393|1,12393|5) -
this is way to excessive you could get away with just 3 00:11:748 (11748|0,11909|0,12070|0) - here, but adding another here 00:12:393 (12393|1,12393|0) - whyis there any strange ? vocal scratch with the beat up i use this pattern ?

00:12:554 (12554|3,12635|5,12716|1,12716|4,12716|3,12877|4,12877|2) - after doing a scratch this pattern is very uncomfortable
why unconfortable ? is there any thing wrong ? so what do u think about this
00:17:554 (17554|1,17554|0) - can you not map every scratch part plsso why i cant map scratch here please give me some idea ? i think map scratch here is not wrong
00:18:845 (18845|1,18845|0) - ^
00:20:135 (20135|0) - ^
00:20:377 (20377|0) - this is off timed? shouldn't it be here 00:20:296 (20296|0) - all the rest of them are the same soo ? error? what 00:20:619 (20619|0,20780|0,20941|0,21103|0,21264|0) - ?????????? the drum is there

00:20:780 (20780|0) - why is this scratch on finish?cant understand what u said.,. there is finish here

00:22:232 (22232|0) - should be a scratch herewhy？ i catch finish scratch no finish here

00:27:877 (27877|0) - why is there so many scratches on the finisheswhy i cant map finish scratch

00:29:167 (29167|0) - ??

00:30:941 (30941|0,31103|0,31264|0,31425|0,31587|0) - lolso?

00:37:877 (37877|0,37958|0,38038|0,38119|0,38200|0) - banana man

00:42:070 (42070|0) - scratches with trills??

00:44:651 (44651|0,44651|5,44651|3,44651|7,44812|6,44812|4,44812|0,44812|2,44974|1,44974|3,44974|0,44974|5,45135|2,45135|6,45135|4,45135|0,45296|7,45296|3,45296|5,45296|0) -

00:55:619 (55619|0,55780|0,55941|0) - you can clearly hear the scratches on the blue tick, these are offtimed?

01:01:103 (61103|0,61183|0,61264|0,61345|0,61425|0) - banana man

01:26:990 (86990|3,87070|4,87070|6,87151|3,87151|5) - uncomfortablewhy?

01:29:167 (89167|0,89329|0,89490|0,89812|0) - these barely follow anything plus the trill is almost unplayable 01:29:167 (89167|3,89248|5,89329|3,89409|5,89490|3) - why?

01:31:103 (91103|0) - you add a scratch here, but don't add another one here? 01:32:393 (92393|0) - or here? 01:32:070 (92070|0) - even tho theres a ping sound

01:34:409 (94409|3,94490|5,94490|1,94490|7,94570|3,94570|6,94651|2,94651|7,94651|4,94651|1) - please remove that trilldrum clap japanese drum

01:37:716 (97716|0) - scratch should be here? i didnt map japanese drum for scratch here

01:38:361 (98361|0) - ? i think no problem

01:47:877 (107877|0) - here to 01:50:458 (110458|1) - all scratch patterns and overall chart is very inconsistent, it seems it's not really following anything
i think i really hear finish here .


i am not trying to bash on this chart, but the overall chart is very inconsistent and the scratches are blindly placed with no audio feedback on where to scratch some being on the finishes and some being on the ping/ting sounds. *not sure what they are called* also theres banana man like scratches which require dual scratch and osu doesn't have that feature so it's a bit unrankable unless you use macros and keybinds to do so, that's the only way to hit some of those unless ur yuko and you can smash ur pinky and jack scratch

SanadaYukimura wrote:

Hey i'm Banana Man

Elementaires wrote:

victorica's 8K Leggendaria

00:41:829 (41829|3,41990|3) - what are those notes for? it just makes the thrill longer for no reason. you should remove it and move 00:41:909 (41909|1) - on 4th column

stryver12 wrote:

LOL Pure Ruby.

@ Fantasy: Hmmm... what do you mean exploit? Scratch jacks?

-Kamikaze- wrote:

idk I got mid-A on this with heavy inflamation of pretty much entire left hand (which I use for scratching) with single scratch, scratching is my worst suit, I'm rusty after at least a week of not touching 8k, I'm only insane dan 2 on bms and 9th on iidx and I honestly have way much trouble with density of the map than scratches. Am I weird or what?

-Kamikaze- wrote:

the scratches felt good technically when I played the chart and I really don't see anything wrong with them apart from lack of support for dual scratching which will eventually be fixed.

Fantasy wrote:

You cannot dual scratch naturally on osumania, thus adding scratch jacks or 1/8th scratch notes is exploitation, you could easily make the scratches 1/4 or not add any at all but.. YOU HAD to add 1/8th scratch jacks, thus exploiting the system.

1/8th scratch jacks is not necessary in this chart.

Fantasy wrote:

You cannot dual scratch naturally on osumania, thus adding scratch jacks or 1/8th scratch notes is exploitation, you could easily make the scratches 1/4 or not add any at all but.. YOU HAD to add 1/8th scratch jacks, thus exploiting the system.

1/8th scratch jacks is not necessary in this chart.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Yeah, I see why it's unpopular/not liked here (99% of players being KB only), but I personally treat scratch jack maps as gimmick maps, same categorization as SV hells, noodles and all that - I find them to be a valuable addition to the ranked pool of maps mainly for the variety sake.
And as mentioned about 50000 times, the only thing that's really holding it back is the lack of support for alternate key input.
I want this kind of maps ranked in general 1) because we severly lack 8k charts and 2) because it's a cool gimmick imo
If you disagree with it, it's fine, I just don't like how most people fight scratch jacks like fire because of that stupid limitation.

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Basic tips:

Highlighted


this is 1/2


this is 1/3


this is 1/4


this is 1/8

Fantasy wrote:

You cannot dual scratch naturally on osumania, thus adding scratch jacks or 1/8th scratch notes is exploitation, you could easily make the scratches 1/4 or not add any at all but.. YOU HAD to add 1/8th scratch jacks, thus exploiting the system.

1/8th scratch jacks is not necessary in this chart.