aquabluu wrote:

Sorry to keep you waiting! Here's Taiko Time.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8aeg7w

Anyone interested in mapping Shunyuu? I have the mp3 file now.

give meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

@samiljul: http://www.sendspace.com/file/9p04lp

Anyone else who wants the mp3, download away.

aquabluu wrote:

Sorry to keep you waiting! Here's Taiko Time.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8aeg7w

Anyone interested in mapping Shunyuu? I have the mp3 file now.

So good!

ok,shunyuu complete :3
http://puu.sh/bD9

Ryougen no Mai authentic ver

viewtopic.php?t=37169

Could someone help me to map futsuu diff?
I'm too lazy to do it

well I'll make Kantan and Futsuu myself...

Edit: all finished

Oooh looks like someone took over Ryougen...

I'm not a fan of Futsuu myself though, so I'm too lazy to do it to orz

But I'll definitely mod it once it's done...

Is it TaikOsu or is it Taiko-only? Wait you're seriously TaikOsu-ing Oni...?!

MUST MOD

samiljul wrote:

ok,shunyuu complete :3
http://puu.sh/bD9

... YOU'RE A BEAST!

I've claimed it first, you mad D:
And even the infamous moderator knew I wanted to map the best song in Ac14...
(let me map the Ura mod when it will be out at least D:)

(@aqua: the Boss Battle article is done. Have it a look!)

With the end of K-ON!! in near sight I've decided to map all the K-ON character series songs to 999 notes.

See the latest post for download here: http://roko.do/


Difficulty judgment in order of hard to easy:

Azusa
Ritsu
Mio/Yui
Sawa-chan/Nodoka
Ui/Mugi

My own version of Ryougen wouldn't be in the grave if someone could finish that Hard difficulty for me

Rokodo wrote:

With the end of K-ON!! in near sight I've decided to map all the K-ON character series songs to 999 notes.

See the latest post for download here: http://roko.do/


Difficulty judgment in order of hard to easy:

Azusa
Ritsu
Mio/Yui
Sawa-chan/Nodoka
Ui/Mugi

So that's where our new list is gonna be :3

aquabluu wrote:

My own version of Ryougen wouldn't be in the grave if someone could finish that Hard difficulty for me

Rokodo wrote:

With the end of K-ON!! in near sight I've decided to map all the K-ON character series songs to 999 notes.

See the latest post for download here: http://roko.do/


Difficulty judgment in order of hard to easy:

Azusa
Ritsu
Mio/Yui
Sawa-chan/Nodoka
Ui/Mugi

So that's where our new list is gonna be :3

No, this is my blog.

The site will be somewhere else*

*same server, different domain.

My own version of Ryougen wouldn't be in the grave if someone could finish that Hard difficulty for me

orz I haven't even gotten to map anything yet, Dororon Girl was actually mapped by Frionel and not me :/

I mean the Wii and Wii2 songlist isn't even started yet ._.

Guys?Somebody go map this.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12002479
Named 正露丸2000(Seirogan2000),this song certainly sounds weird enough to be a 2000 series song...
Chances are it's just a hoax,but it sure sounds like a fun song hurr durr

Trying to get a copy of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6PMTtiGoyo

@crystal: It sounds fan made, but I dunno.

@Rokodo: mp3?

@Lokamp: About the boss battles page, it's not a song series article, so there's no need for difficulty stars or detailed song information. Only info regarding the boss battle itself is needed (besides, the notes used in boss battle mode are different from the normal ones, so there's no such things as score routes and Master Notes) That will be covered elsewhere (which I'll figure out very shortly)

delete all of my maps plz

aquabluu wrote:

@Rokodo: mp3?

Noooo

It's a new taiko simulator built from scratch.

@ddr: Are you sure? I'm building the new list soon. There'll be more than enough space once I finish.

@aqua: errr some articles on Taiko Time are only accessible via browsing through the dates. I'm suggesting to put another page like a 'miscellaneous section' just for articles that can't be classified yet (e.g. Wii2 boss article)

Speaking of,

@Lokamp aqua: Arumi is NOT the hardest boss in Wii2. Unless of course JP players look at it otherwise, this is how I think the bosses should be arranged in terms of difficulty:

1.) Waruru
2.) Tungsten
3.) Arumi
Everything below this is pretty much easy for dedicated Taiko players
4.) Teruru
5.) Yttrium
6.) Geruma
7.) Tantalum
8.) Gallium
9.) Antimon
10.) Mekadon

This is IMO according to Super Spicy difficulty, and can probably apply to the lower diffs too...

To note, Waruru still seems much, much harder than the Youkai King of DS3 :/

Zekira wrote:

@aqua: errr some articles on Taiko Time are only accessible via browsing through the dates. I'm suggesting to put another page like a 'miscellaneous section' just for articles that can't be classified yet (e.g. Wii2 boss article)

At least, the news and lyrics articles are. Once all the information articles(song list, codes, song series) have been finished it should be much easier to find them on the homepage. I've labeled the posts so it'll be easier to find them by category later. The Wi2 boss article in particular, I wanted to link back to the Wii2 song list page, but it doesn't exist yet

And that bit about Arumi being the hardest? My mistake, don't blame Lokamp. I check and edit all articles before publishing them, and he checks mine. Fixed.

Also do we have HQ MP3s now of the songs that appeared in DS3? Particularly Hyakki Yakou, Tenyou no Mai (at least the site's preview says CS and AC are the same), Metal Hawk BGM1...

SID - Rain (TV Size)
Motohiro Hata - Toumei Datta Sekai (TV Size)

2 Taiko 14 new songs :3
And I made 2 Oni maps orz...
Umm...

I should get all diffs of 'My Soul,Your Beats!'
[Muzu and Oni are on wikihouse but...]
Anyway...


DO NOT TOUCH 'My Soul,Your Beats!' please ;_;



ps. @aqua: If possible, I would make 'Tonari no Totoro' asap ;_;
And TaikOsu project orz :3...???

@arken If VICTORY happens to be the JAM Project song,MAP IT PLOX

Opening song: Kyou no Gohan wa Taiko Zakari! (今日のご飯は太鼓盛り！)

...but lepido mapped that with 'Mori' as the title at the end... so which one is it? D:

I can't read jap that has kanji, so probably double check this one?

Not as bad as Arumi, but greatly annoying.

What do you mean...? Waruru's attack is the WORST attack in every currently existing boss since it not only disrupts vision, it disrupts color as well! And the smoke lasts so long... what the hell...

crystalsuicune wrote:

@arken If VICTORY happens to be the JAM Project song,MAP IT PLOX

アーティストは EXILE。

CONTINUE?

10

今更だが、JAM project の方にならないかな・・・

I'm sorry for no accepting this song ;_;

*headdesk*And I thought we finally get to have JAM Project songs in Taiko....D8

Zekira wrote:

Opening song: Kyou no Gohan wa Taiko Zakari! (今日のご飯は太鼓盛り！)

...but lepido mapped that with 'Mori' as the title at the end... so which one is it? D:

I can't read jap that has kanji, so probably double check this one?

Not as bad as Arumi, but greatly annoying.

What do you mean...? Waruru's attack is the WORST attack in every currently existing boss since it not only disrupts vision, it disrupts color as well! And the smoke lasts so long... what the hell...

1. Lepido mapped with Mori, but Lokamp out in Zakari. I ran the title through a kanji translator, and it was Zakari. I don't really know how to pronounce it though- it may be like Zeihen and Monuke Hen.

2. Whoops. Forgot to edit that part

Is there anyone who wants to make this song? It's JAM Porject! XD

Metal hawk fixed
http://puu.sh/cgA

http://taikoblog.namco-ch.net/blog/2010 ... .html#more

@aquabluu: Interested on this :3?
Anyway...


I wonder if someone posts on my Taiko songs queue ;_;
:3?

Zeami - Ryougen no Mai
@Zekira: Please check this song with your TaikOsu skill ;_;
It's NOT my style ;_;

佐野電磁..?Whoa,it's been some time since we last saw him...
The last appearance of him was RARE HERO,amirite?
And that probably explains Taiko Time's style...(happy hardcore and all that)

crystalsuicune wrote:

佐野電磁..?Whoa,it's been some time since we last saw him...
The last appearance of him was RARE HERO,amirite?
And that probably explains Taiko Time's style...(happy hardcore and all that)

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%90% ... 1%E7%BE%A9

佐野 信義（さの のぶよし、1969年1月19日 - ）は、ゲームミュージックの作曲家。佐野 電磁（さの でんじ）、sanodgの名義でも知られる。

/me is going to bring Death Note<JK
:3



Real name - Sano Nobuyoshi
Fake name - Sano Denji

arien666 wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

佐野電磁..?Whoa,it's been some time since we last saw him...
The last appearance of him was RARE HERO,amirite?
And that probably explains Taiko Time's style...(happy hardcore and all that)

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BD%90% ... 1%E7%BE%A9
:3

He's sanodg......
That explains everything.

crystalsuicune wrote:

He's sanodg......
That explains everything.

Then, if aqua is going to map 'Taiko Time'
What artist he should use orz?

1. Fake name
2. sanodg

;_;

Probably not sanodg,that's his alias in beatmania IIDX.
Since Taiko's not IIDX...well,you get the picture.

arien666 wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

He's sanodg......
That explains everything.

Then, if aqua is going to map 'Taiko Time'
What artist he should use orz?

1. Fake name
2. sanodg

;_;

Either way I can change it pretty easily But wtf Rare Hero composer is composer of Taiko Time. Didn't expect that.

Well,I kinda expected the Ridge Racer guys
composed Taiko Time,but I never thought that
It'll be sanodg of all people…
In fact I thought it's gonna be either of the three
sampling masters or the guy who composed
The Carnivorous Carnival (forgot his name
in english)

Either way,it's still a nice song.And er,welcome back to Namco?

I did it

@above: WTF D:

Anyway...

A note is missing on Taiko Time... I've fixed it.

Taiko Time

And please, Zek...

REMOVE
THAT
UGLY
THING!

I'm sich enough of normal Miku... S:

Thanks for the fix

And speaking of Miku...no one's mapped Black Rock Shooter yet.....orz

aquabluu wrote:

Thanks for the fix

And speaking of Miku...no one's mapped Black Rock Shooter yet.....orz

inb4, NO Taiko14 on Korea orz...
But,

http://www.wikihouse.com/taiko/index.ph ... 5%BF%A1%BC [Muzu pattern]

I'm waiting for [Kantan] and [Futsuu] :3

Hey gais,moar rumours on them new 2000.
Rumours say that it'll be called なにこれ２０００,of all things.



なにこれ.....

crystalsuicune wrote:

なにこれ２０００

0:45

???

crystalsuicune wrote:

Hey gais,moar rumours on them new 2000.
Rumours say that it'll be called なにこれ２０００,of all things.



なにこれ.....

なにこれ :3...?



Just wait for next week but...
Next week is 'Korean Thanksgiving Day' holidays orz
But, updating whatever?



edit.
@Rokodo: Umm... about astoni.sh...
I need to stock my playing vids orz...[About Taiko patterns]
;_;
I just upload on other site then orz
[Needs more infos orz]
[Most Taiko13 vids are broken ahh!!!]

Zekira wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

なにこれ２０００

0:45

???

Oh HURR.
Man,the 2000 series is pretty weird.

Can we just call the next one Clusterfuck2000, map it all 1/8 and be done with it?~
inb4 someone zenryuus (sp)?

http://youtube.com/RokodoRL - Uploaded vids of all the K-ON character songs I mapped last weekend.

Rokodo wrote:

Can we just call the next one Clusterfuck2000, map it all 1/8 and be done with it?~
inb4 someone zenryuus (sp)?

http://youtube.com/RokodoRL - Uploaded vids of all the K-ON character songs I mapped last weekend.

Dammit Roko,don't give them ideas....

Somehow,I forsee something along the idea of Ranranru2000,basically a 2000 song made with ranranru soundclips.

Or MAX2000.Or Cyber-wadaiko-2000.

...again with new wandering 2000 ideas around here?
I've previously said it's better to see a Lokamp2000, without remorse ;p
Beside, the other rumored songs are subject of interest, aren't they?
(unless the rumored SORA-IV it's VERY similar to 2nd, as SORA-III is similar to the 1st...)

Yeah, I should make a 2000 series song after myself.

LesTrucsRose wrote:

Bit Shifter - Reformat The Planet
|Taiko Oni|4.60★|178sec|5.34MB|

[attachment=0:7390c]BG.png[/attachment:7390c]

Dat BG
:3

DEM BGs.

Nani :3???



edit.

Nani :3???

@arken For some reason,whenever a spinner shows up in taiko mode,
the gold crown won't show up on the graph even on auto mode.
That..glitch?...appeared qute a long time ago.

Base Ball Bear - Stairway Generation (TV Size)
Another TaikOsu thing but,
Submitted on Taiko 13
[Anime] [OP7 of Gintama]
[Full Taiko-authentic]

and 4 guest things
2 are Custom
2 are Authentic

Custom
IOSYS - Hatate's Bakkoi Murder Case
DragonForce - Through The Fire And Flames

Authentic
SID - Rain [Taiko 14 Anime]
Motohiro Hata - Toumei Datta Sekai [Taiko 14 Anime]



:3

Oh yay the new topic is up. ^^

Anyways, when are the hidden Taiko 14 songs going to be announced... Namco's way of trolling us is starting to annoy me a bit.

Also:

Errr aqua you got Kita Saitama20000's spelling in my custom maps wrong lol

Deaf to All but the Song is also actually ranked

Erm, as in twenty thousand? Just to confirm. Fixed.

Yeah, it's 20000. Did you not DL it lol, it's freaking impossible to pass @_@

[url=http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17033Toumei Datta Sekai[/url]

Yay! ERROR!!!

Attention TaikOsu mappers

For now, if the map you are making uses a custom slider velocity, do not use sliders to represent notes for those sections. It is currently broken.

EDIT: Admin account credentials have been sent to aquabluu, arien666, lepidopodus and Zekira. Let me know if you have issues connecting guys, since FileZilla didn't seem to want to let me connect under your accounts. Might be something to do with data stored on my machine or a lag time setting up the account.

----

All right guys, new plan.

I figured since I was going to offer file mirrors anyway, instead of a full blown website it is probably easier to just upload maps in their raw forms to an online storage space via FTP, and browse through the directories using your web browser to find the files.



It's also easier for me in terms of allocating user accounts, since I can lock your account to your custom user maps folder. Of course I will be designating some admin privileges for the whole site, for those users who I know I can trust.

-----

admin accounts will be given initially to aquabluu, lepidopodus, arien666 and Zekira. They will have full control over all the folders:

taiko
>Authentic Maps
>Custom

Other users will get an FTP account that is locked to their folder, for example:

>Custom>Rokodo>



-----

If anyone abuses their account (uploading non-related material or attempting to hack the site) will have their account stripped. No exceptions.

You may upload things such as a text file if you want to include mirror links or links to BSS maps:

links.txt
Artist - Song.osz download mirror - http://mediafire.com/etc


You may also use a text file if you want to keep a record of upload dates:

new.txt
Artist - Song.osz | Uploaded on dd/mm/yyyy

-----

This is overall a much simpler solution, all you require is an FTP client. I highly recommend FileZilla, a free and open source project. It also allows users a bit of freedom in terms of where they store their files and how many copies of it are available to download from different locations.

Please Note: Aside from the admin accounts that I will be designating ASAP for the purpose of file shifting, individual accounts will be given out on a per-need basis. If you need your account for custom maps, PM me.

Is there a web-based alternative?

LesTrucsRose wrote:

Is there a web-based alternative?

I assume you mean for the FTP upload, since this IS web based.

You could try a web based FTP upload solution such as http://www.surftp.com/ but they require java/flash uploading and are not very reliable.

It is better just to download FileZilla and use that. If installing it is an issue you can get it in a zip folder that does not require you to install anything, you just run the program from the extracted folder.

Either was I still need to assign you an account to use it.

Rokodo wrote:

EDIT: Admin account credentials have been sent to aquabluu, arien666, lepidopodus and Zekira. Let me know if you have issues connecting guys, since FileZilla didn't seem to want to let me connect under your accounts. Might be something to do with data stored on my machine or a lag time setting up the account.

----

All right guys, new plan.

I figured since I was going to offer file mirrors anyway, instead of a full blown website it is probably easier to just upload maps in their raw forms to an online storage space via FTP, and browse through the directories using your web browser to find the files.



It's also easier for me in terms of allocating user accounts, since I can lock your account to your custom user maps folder. Of course I will be designating some admin privileges for the whole site, for those users who I know I can trust.

-----

admin accounts will be given initially to aquabluu, lepidopodus, arien666 and Zekira. They will have full control over all the folders:

taiko
>Authentic Maps
>Custom

Other users will get an FTP account that is locked to their folder, for example:

>Custom>Rokodo>



-----

If anyone abuses their account (uploading non-related material or attempting to hack the site) will have their account stripped. No exceptions.

You may upload things such as a text file if you want to include mirror links or links to BSS maps:

links.txt
Artist - Song.osz download mirror - http://mediafire.com/etc


You may also use a text file if you want to keep a record of upload dates:

new.txt
Artist - Song.osz | Uploaded on dd/mm/yyyy

-----

This is overall a much simpler solution, all you require is an FTP client. I highly recommend FileZilla, a free and open source project. It also allows users a bit of freedom in terms of where they store their files and how many copies of it are available to download from different locations.

Please Note: Aside from the admin accounts that I will be designating ASAP for the purpose of file shifting, individual accounts will be given out on a per-need basis. If you need your account for custom maps, PM me.

I'm on top of the list, yeah boy.

Woah. Rokodo, thanks so much

I'm busy today, but I'll try to use the account you gave me tomorrow.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17351

Rotter Tarmination got ranked.

OMG

OMGGGGGGGGG

grats lepido Oh look my BG.

Can I get an account for the beatmaps I make in the future, please?

http://taikoblog.namco-ch.net/blog/2010/09/post_193.html#more
I.....I don't get it......

Some say that it switches the scoring system to one similar to IIDX's,
but derp IDK.
IGNORE THAT! I GET IT NOW!

It goes like this.Once this mode's on,
your combo number will no longer
affect your scoring.
That means no multipliers due to combos,and you
won't suffer from dropped scores due to breaking
your combo.
In general,you score more with this mode on.
I heard that scores under this mode won't
show up in the cabinet's ranking system,
but it will on the taiko dojo.

That explains all those KiSai pics 765 loves to post
and that pic arien posted earlier.

真打モード? wat.

How is that going to change anything?

aquabluu wrote:

真打モード? wat.

How is that going to change anything?

No more combo-bonus.That's all.

http://taiko.astoni.sh

I'm not saying anything until it works this time.

crystalsuicune wrote:

aquabluu wrote:

真打モード? wat.

How is that going to change anything?

No more combo-bonus.That's all.

Like...

IIDX
Just Great = +2
Great = +1
Else = 0



:3?

crystalsuicune wrote:

aquabluu wrote:

真打モード? wat.

How is that going to change anything?

No more combo-bonus.That's all.

In other words it makes it easier for n00bs to score

aquabluu wrote:

crystalsuicune wrote:

No more combo-bonus.That's all.

In other words it makes it easier for n00bs to score

BTW, It might be like 'Judgement-war' orz...
Dunno :3

For scheduling entries, here are the previously published KAGEKIYO and Ridge Racer with both Oni/past modes and Inner Oni!
Amplied with new backgrounds and some fixes about my Inner Ura. ^^"

KAGEKIYO (mekadon95/pokedigi)
Ridge Racer (lepidopodus/Lokamp)

And grats again for lepidon for his past rank!

P.S.: aqua, fix the Toumei Datta Sekai link, please...

Kamen Rider OP desu :3
Name is 'Anything Goes!'



I wonder if this song is added on Taiko 15 :3

I just only noticed now that the vocal artist of Tenyou no Mai is the same one as Nanairo Harmony. Problem is, I don't know the name?

EDIT: taiko admin accounts sent out. I'll also be sending out a couple of taiko user accounts for the users who are currently active in this thread, so keep an eye on your inbox.

I've fixed the site permissions for the website and the usergroups for editing map pages.

Administration of beatmap pages will be done via a site front end, since I don't want to give anyone access to the overly complicated back end.

taiko admin group will be able to edit ALL beatmap pages (including user custom map pages) and will be as follows:

aquabluu
arien666
lepidopodus
Zekira

taiko user group will be able to edit their OWN beatmap page (only their custom map page).
Custom Map user accounts will be set up at request; PM me to assign you an account and a password.

A guide to edit your map page (or pages if you are assigned as a taiko admin) will be sent out in the form of a PM.

@aquabluu: I'm thinking you can link the genre images to their respective beatmap pages and users to the userpages. This will allow us to keep the forum thread as a linking system for older members who come back here. (User's Custom Map pages may change link from time to time due to administration however.)
@everyone: Please notify any users from this point who want to submit new maps to this project of the website and tell them to PM me for an account on the site.

Zekira wrote:

I just only noticed now that the vocal artist of Tenyou no Mai is the same one as Nanairo Harmony. Problem is, I don't know the name?

vocalはアイドルマスターの如月千早役でも知られる今井麻美（因みに彼女は天妖ノ舞も歌っている）。

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%8A% ... B%E7%BE%8E

:3

arien666 wrote:

Like...

IIDX
Just Great = +2
Great = +1
Else = 0

:3?

Exactly.
That means accuracy's more significant
than usual…just like IIDX I guess.
(beatmania features a batshit number
of notes so I kinda understand why combo
won't affect scoring there.But IDK with taiko)

In b4 all those extra stage things,or even
challenge mode similar to Pop'n music.
Or maybe them E-amusement system.

Lokamp wrote:

For scheduling entries, here are the previously published KAGEKIYO and Ridge Racer with both Oni/past modes and Inner Oni!
Amplied with new backgrounds and some fixes about my Inner Ura. ^^"

KAGEKIYO (mekadon95/pokedigi)
Ridge Racer (lepidopodus/Lokamp)

And grats again for lepidon for his past rank!

P.S.: aqua, fix the Toumei Datta Sekai link, please...

I keep putting it off. The link is technically still there though, you just have to copypasta.

Epic timing orz

Anyway...




Nani :3?

lepi has been reporting bugs with the taiko website. I've been noticing the issue too.

If a link randomly disappears after you edit a page, don't worry about it, it is a bug with the CMS' or some feature I have yet to understand/work around.

I can get to my map page if I go to http://taiko.astoni.sh/node/34

However, it does show up in this list here http://taiko.astoni.sh/node/25

I've done away with the sidebar menu system for Custom Maps, it's too much effort to keep fixing.
The links will be made manually under the main Maps tab from now on.

Rokodo wrote:

I've done away with the sidebar menu system for Custom Maps, it's too much effort to keep fixing.
The links will be made manually under the main Maps tab from now on.

Good idea. Please add Node/34~

/sightread



Oh 1 100. Fu.

Roko you GOD ;_;
anyway...



@Zekira:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/71454
02:44:269 (3) ~ 02:53:719 (1) - Saitama!

I should give you licence fee :3<<<

damnit.



baaaka baka



spam stream ftw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH8fRSr41RQ



.

Rokodo wrote:

About Kechadon, I'll just make like err...
Whatever ;_;
Anyway...



Claim for 'Over The Future' blahblah orz

Rokodo wrote:

@aquabluu: I'm thinking you can link the genre images to their respective beatmap pages and users to the userpages. This will allow us to keep the forum thread as a linking system for older members who come back here. (User's Custom Map pages may change link from time to time due to administration however.)
[/b]

I'll update tomorrow or the day after, kinda busy with university and stuff.

Hey gais,put me down for "Votum Stellarum Forest #25 RMX",I'm thinking
of taikomapping that one if I have time.


BTW.....
http://yaplog.jp/tatsh_blog/archive/390

WHAT.TATSH?IN MY IM@S?!
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN.

>Tatsh
>IDOLM@STER

Wait huh what?

So that's why Tatsh picked Imai Asami for Tenyou…

Stop playing around Tatsh,go ahead and
admit who you are,dammit!

EDIT: And I'm done mapping it LOL
Votum Stellarum Forest #25 RMX
(it's too large to directly upload via the attachment system..OTL)
It's one of my fave songs from Pop'n Music,but durr it's tough to map.
So expect some wonky parts especially in the beginning OTL;;

573 combo?What 573 combo?