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Tsukasa

beeboy123 wrote:

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.
Seaboy has never played Mafia before btw LOL.

Sakura and Frostings might be town.
Who the fuck is seaboy though really

I almost reported you for multi accounting :kappa:
Tsukasa

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I kinda get the FOS.

I'm not really sure we're going to break the game by flavour just considering this is undertale and decisions and blah blah, but it's still worth a try.
It's not about whether we would manage to break the game or not
It's the desire to break it, scum would be aiming for the opposite.
OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
Tsukasa

Frostings wrote:

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order :(
Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys
Tsukasa
Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw
metal sonic1
scum^
Sakura

Tsukasa wrote:

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
Naaaah

Tsukasa wrote:

Frostings wrote:

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order :(
Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys
How is that a sign of already fucking up? he's still pro-mass flavor claim.

Tsukasa wrote:

Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw
As i said... scum's opposed to the idea of flavor breaking the game.
Vote: Tsukasa
or OMGUS, whichever's better.
beeboy123
Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.
beeboy123
Seaboy the real secret to finding scum is sheeping me all game.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.
He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.
Tsukasa
Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it
Sakura
And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.
He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.
You confused him :(
Sakura
Here's me calling anyone that doesnt have a townread on Tsukasa to vote this scum out of the earth.
beeboy123
vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o
Yes i am
beeboy123
O wait fuk wrong player

vote: Tsukasa
beeboy123
Ignore that Sakura vote everyone
Tsukasa

Sakura wrote:

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor, Are you, for certain, without a doubt, that the flavor is very lore driven?
- most mods wouldn't do this. Its pretty stupid. Say that this was... I dunno... Fucking Naruto mafia and someone claimed... I dunno... Gaara or some asshole from the sand village. You'd normally think "Its Gaara he must be town" if you knew the flavor. BUT. ARE YOU FUCKING SURE HE'S TOWN? For all I know it can be a safeclaim, or even a mod provided fake claim. This happened a long time ago in Hunter x Hunter mafia.

2) Have you considered the possibilty of outing a role that you didn't want to get outed?
- You're pretty much giving scum the information they need.
A) You deny information on NK
B) You give scum a free pass
C) You just really destroyed town

3) Would you, In any sense, are 100% sure, that you can do it?
- Why even attempt it when you're 50-50 on it. "I maybe able to" =/= "I'm gonna be fucking nailing shit".
Tsukasa
Ya'll are disgusting
Sakura
answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.
Tsukasa
That's fucking mean
Sakura
It's not mean, it's playing strategically outguess the mod.
beeboy123
We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
Tsukasa
Can you at least respect your mod?

I haven't played a Jess game but I'm pretty sure s/he's not that stupid
Sakura
I mean sure it's possible this is a colossal waste of time.
But we can't really be sure of that until someone flips regardless.
I expect town to be in favor of flavor mass claim, as not being sure that alignment is tied to flavor, we also cant be necessarily sure roles are tied to flavor, but then again I never played the game so i would never know.
Tsukasa
I'm not one for meta and relating this game to another game

You know that, right?

But after what I've experienced? Nu Uh I'm never gonna let this shit pass through
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.
Tsukasa
I honestly want to kill myself IRL
beeboy123
We are not claiming flavor.
Tsukasa
and I do not want to discuss this any further

Instead

Frostings is town
Beebs is probably town

Sakura can die though
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

We are not claiming flavor.
You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.
Sakura

Tsukasa wrote:

Sakura can die though
I dare you try.
Tsukasa

Sakura wrote:

Tsukasa wrote:

Sakura can die though
I dare you try.

Sakura
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

We are not claiming flavor.
You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.

Don't trick people pls I haven't claimed anything.
Topic Starter
-[Jess]-
*Where is snowin town?
*you ask
*In the end of the east,also
*although monsters are looks cute and innocent,they might not be a good monster
*please remember that

Vote count 1.2

  • [2]Tsukasa - beeboy123,Sakura
    [2]Ace Timing - NoHitter,Zexion
    [1]Aomi - seaboy321
    [1]Frostings - Aomi
    [1]Sakura - Tsukasa
    [1]seaboy321 - metal sonic1
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  1. Not Voting - - Magic Bomb -,fartownik,Ace Timing
With 12 alive,7 to lynch
Deadline in 10:02 AM, 9 August 2016 (GMT+8)
*Note me if any mistake,I am very sick now and i need rest.
seaboy321
I have stuff to do today so I'll be back at night around same time as yesterday.
Hopefully I finish what I was doing and get something out of it.
Frostings

Frostings wrote:

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general
Sakura please answer this it's critical
beeboy123
In the last 3 months I have played over a dozen theme games 1 did not have flavor fake claims the rest did
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general
Sakura please answer this it's critical
Mod dependant.
Fake Claims are usually mod given to match flavor so that scum that have no knowledge of flavor aren't at a disadvantage, it's also common in setups where it's alignment indicative for flavor.
Alternatively the mod may randomize flavor for alignment, but even then if your flavor gives you something like "Godfather" or "Strongman" and you have no knowledge of flavor the mod might give you a fake claim of another role that matches flavor but doesnt look scummy.
Sakura
The most common way for fake claims is that the scum, picks a role and the mod gives them a fake claim based on the role they pick, it's not spoon fed, scum also gotta think it through.
Sakura
huh is beeboy double voter?
Also
@Mod: order of votes is important
NoHitter
Sakura's saying we should break the game if we can. Tsukasa is saying that we can't necessarily do that with this setup.
I don't see any reason why there should be an exchange of votes for this. It's not telling of anything.
Ace Timing

Zexion wrote:

Eeeehhh Flavor might be just spoilers for people who haven't played the game.

Anyways, Ace is scum.

Vote: Ace
damn you found me

gg the gig is up :roll:

have we all just been talking about flavor claiming so far? Cause that's completely pointless.

Vote: beefboy
Ace Timing
seaboy's read intent, motivation, sincerity post is hilarious
Ace Timing

beeboy123 wrote:

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.
lmao

metal sonic1 wrote:

i am sans so i am automatically town
you guys need to stop my knees are weak
Ace Timing
gonna go ahead and take a page out of frostings's book and call scum team rn

ms1 + beefboy
Ace Timing
oh shit there's 3 scum

uhh...
Ace Timing
I'll figure out the 3rd eventually

beeboy123 wrote:

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
Outsmarting Jess is literally impossible. To outsmart, you've got to predict the reasoning, the path of cognition they naturally take, and stay a step ahead. Jess's reasoning is a complete mystery so even trying to outsmart her is a futile action.

tbh
Ace Timing

Tsukasa wrote:

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it
bruh
Frostings
I had a theory with Sakura scumslipping regarding scum getting potential fakeclaims, but maybe it's unlikely

I agree with ace with his reads, actually. ms1 and beeboy sit at the top for me
Frostings
Vote: metalsonic :)
Ace Timing
I'm not seeing how tsu is thinking sakura is scum, making everyone flavor claim is kinda null.
Ace Timing

Frostings wrote:

Vote: metalsonic :)
why ms > beefboy?
Frostings

Ace Timing wrote:

why ms > beefboy?
beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anything
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture

that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
Frostings
I mean, I hope Jess made the setup necessarily spoiler-free, but it's somehow doubtful
Zexion
Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?

Tsukasa wrote:

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.

Tsukasa wrote:

Sakura wrote:

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...
This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.

I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.
That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<

Frostings wrote:

@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...


FOS: Tsukasa


Ace is still scum.
Tsukasa
Lets just say that we tried that already

And things

Went to shit
Zexion
I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
Zexion
@Mod: here you go, free ISOS:

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Sakura

Zexion wrote:

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
That's pretty much it.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.
Tsukasa

Zexion wrote:

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.
Sakura

Tsukasa wrote:

Zexion wrote:

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.
Not necessarily, it may mislead scum as much as help them.

Persona 4 mafia on MS my character was Yukiko who's very known in the game for healing spells and scum targeted me thinking i was a doctor when i was actually a VT.

In the meantime flavor claiming doesnt hurt at all.
Tsukasa
Its worth mentioning that the said flavor claiming and setup speculation was done by someone not-town aligned

Sooooo yeah

I'm not gonna experience that bullshit again please
Tsukasa

Sakura wrote:

answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.
And I like how you say this

Before you say that
Sakura
Interesting thing tho, you say that people tried to flavor break the game before and it was led by scum, yet Zexion here says that the way the game is flavor may mean nothing in terms of alignments, if this is true then how did that happen in whichever game you were?

In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.
Sakura
Point being, Frosty says we can probably flavor break the game.
I endorse this even if i dont know how he plans on doing so.
You're disagreeing with me.
But your vote on me is because of disagreement while trying to spun it off as a scumread.
Ergo, you're scum.
Frostings

Zexion wrote:

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...
one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it ;)
fartownik
Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings
fartownik
I'm gonna join back tomorrow because it's really late now and I have to sleep
beeboy123
I'd rather be lynched then mass flavour claim.
beeboy123
I need to review why I am voting Tsukasa
Frostings

fartownik wrote:

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings
((ᕦ(ò_óˇᕦ)
fight me fartow :)
Zexion

Frostings wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...
one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it ;)
I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.
Frostings
I mean, I totally wouldn't lynch someone just because they claim they're the main antagonist in the game :oops:
Frostings
I feel like Jess is passionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.
What's the downside?
fartownik
Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
Tsukasa
Frostings
I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
Sakura

fartownik wrote:

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.
Sakura

fartownik wrote:

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
Frostings gets it.
MBomb

Frostings wrote:

I feel like Jess is passionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
I thought this.

I was wrong.
MBomb
The second part, not the first part.
MBomb
Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.
beeboy123
Let's flavour claim and move on with the the game.
My character is flowey.
Sakura

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.
Sorry im too busy voting scum.
beeboy123
I having a growing temptation to vote Mbomb for asking for it.
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(
metal sonic1
Vote: Tsukass
Frostings
where's my vote right now
Frostings
Vote: beeboy
KILL OR BE KILLEDDD
Frostings
you know with all these votes flying around, someone could be already lynched and we wouldn't even know it :)
Frostings
Frostings
[3] Tsukasa: Sakura, ms1, beeboy
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy

Not Voting: MB

again, for my own sanity
Frostings
Also, while looking at ISOs

Aomi wrote:

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again ;)
who even are you
Frostings
^ pretty sure this guy forgot this game exists
NoHitter
Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
Sakura

NoHitter wrote:

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
I think you just answered your own question.
beeboy123

NoHitter wrote:

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
Trying too hard is NAI at best...
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