Chocola_2287 wrote:

Hi, from modding queue.
R.I.P. all my GDs

Disclaimer

I think this song should use a certain amount of slider because a lot of long SE are in this song, therefore most of my points will be changing circles to sliders or spinners.

Time lines

01:31:080 onwards: try to reduce white lines here(Check "Omit 1st bar line". It is quite disturbing(i mean gameplay) to see so many white lines coming suddenly.

Nardo's Kantan

00:13:089 (12) - spinner. I would prefer using a big note rather than a short spinner for proper emphasis of the vocal.
00:30:901 (34) - slider. The music is so calm that a slider could not fit well.
00:36:901 (39) - spinner. I think it is not suitable to use spinner as this would break the flow of the notes.
00:42:901 (44) - slider. same as 00:30:901 (34) -
00:35:589 (38) - d, compared to last note, it has a lower pitch, therefore d Its pitch is higher than 00:29:589 (33) - , so k would fit.
00:42:901 (44) - spinner. same as 00:36:901 (39) -
00:57:339, 00:58:089 - add notes here? Vocal sound is heard here. The 8/1 break is intentional to reflect the halt of music there.
01:08:401 (72) - slider. Retained the break for beginners to rest a bit.
01:20:401 (88) - ^ same as ^
01:26:589 (93) - spinner. same as 00:13:089 (12) -

Nardo's Oni

HP 7, Oni should have higher HP than Muzu Well, this is not a must. 6 is already high enough imo.
00:14:589 (49,50) - so weird Would you mind elaborating it more?
->00:14:776 (50) - move 1/2 later, 00:15:339 (52) - delete ;00:15:901 (55) - d This sounds more awkward to put a note at a tick without a beat.
00:23:214 (88) - d, low pitch 00:22:839 (87,88) - sound more powerful than 00:23:589 (89) - and the K K D pattern still works pitch-wise.
00:30:714 (122) - d, pitch dropped compared to last note same as ^
00:30:901 (123) - slider same as Kantan
00:36:901 (139) - ^ ^
00:41:214 (149) - ^^^ k is well-supported by the background instrument.
00:42:901 (155) - ^^^ same as 00:30:901 (123) -
00:48:901 (171) - spinner. Retained to keep the break consistent with the previous ones.
00:56:026 (197,198,199,200) - 100% Weird for me. I don't know what are you mapping here(sorry for bad attitude). Prefer spinner Electric guitar, obviously.
imo, 01:04:089 (225) - 01:22:089 (315) should be more dense. If you don't know what I mean, refer to my deleted inner oni and you will know why. I would like to keep this Oni simple as it is.

Overall : OK . Still, it is hard for me to mod because I have very different mapping style in this song with you 2. Good luck on ranking this song!

Chocola_2287 wrote:

Nardo's Oni

00:14:589 (49,50) - so weird, SE is heard at 00:14:964 but u put the note at 00:14:776 which does not fit the SE at all.
In addition, i think 00:14:589 should add finisher. amd the pattern at 00:14:589 (49) - should be d_kd_dkkd (1/2 interval)
->00:14:776 (50) - move 1/2 later, 00:15:339 (52) - delete ;00:15:901 (55) - d I still think that the current placement of notes fits the music more. If you listen carefully, you will find that the guitar rhythm falls on 00:14:214 (47,48,49,50) - , which supports the use of finish at 00:14:776 - rather than 00:14:964 -

Skylish wrote:

Hi, from long long time ago promised mod. I am still not satisfied that you did not use my Kantan, but still you can choose which one you would like to submit because you are the mapper, right ?

[General]

> 00:50:589 - This kiai session is abused. It is not a part of chorus.

> 01:32:869 - The timing of the retard end is not accurate. You have to fix that. I am not good at timing though.

Check Nardo's Oni if you have any doubt. 01:32:869 (354,355,356,357,358,359) - the first sixth notes are slight drawn back by the incorrect timings.

[Nardo's Oni]

> 00:14:214 (47) - change to k, for a k d k pattern at 00:14:214 (47,48,49) - according to the pitch No change as the pitch of guitar is the same at 00:14:214 (47,48) -

> 00:14:964 - The joint looks extremely weird. This should be the start of a new phase and I do not see a reason why you mapped 00:14:776 (50) - with a D and did not add any note on this timing.

- Remove 00:14:776 (50) - because it is a ghost note.
- 00:14:964 - put a k here and change 00:15:151 (51) - to d.
- 00:15:339 - remove it for a cleaner pattern fixed

> 00:25:089 (97) - change to d, and 00:25:276 (98) - change to k? for a better movements of patterns. Keeping these notes as k d would accompany the instrument in a way better.

> 01:01:089 (210,214) - use Finish? I feel pedals stepped at these two notes. 00:59:589 (205,206,207,208) - Of course you can say that you would like to map Finish while there is solely appearance of base drum. This would weaken the emphasis of 00:59:589 (205,206,207,208) - considerably.

> 01:13:839 (271) - use D here. 01:07:089 (239,241,243) - you used K K K before. Nope, the vocal here is much weaker than the previous spot as you mentioned.

> 01:32:869 (354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361,362) - The timing is wrong. The notes are out of track then. 01:32:869 (354,355,356,357,358,359) - the first sixth notes are slight drawn back by the incorrect timings. The first six notes sound a bit early, so it should be timed again.

[Nardo's Kantan]

> SV= 1.2? 1.4 looks a bit too fast for Kantan level players. As the song BPM is low, 1.4 would be no problem for beginners.
> 00:14:589 - umm... This note is still belong to the starter of the main melody which starts on off-beat. It can be omitted imo. Add a K at 00:14:964 - instead I think the current placement would be more intuitive to play.

> 00:16:839 (16) - shift it 1/2 backwards to match the melody. I used to add a d at 00:17:214 - for the completion of that phase but I found that 1/1 would be overwhelming. If you add a d at 00:17:214 - , delete 00:17:964 - . This would be too complicated for beginners.

> 00:19:089 (20) - shift 1/2 backwards, same reason. I really think that an off-beat pattern is needed here because on-beat one is kinda weird. same as ^

> 00:25:464 (28) - it can be deleted. Leaving 00:25:839 (29) - standing should be good. Retained for a better spread with Futsuu.

> 00:54:339 (53) - shift 1/2 backwards? same as 00:16:839 (16) -

> 00:58:089 - add a d here. The next phase is too heavy if the previous one keeps too clean. The 8/1 break was made intentionally for the halt of music there.

> I feel unwell in Kiai session. Those on-beat patterns make me feel sick. same as 00:16:839 (16) - . If you keep everything landing on the vocals accurately, this would not be a Kantan at the end.

I hope my mod is helpful! Good luck!

Canner wrote:

irc mod

19:14 Prophecy: Cannnnnnnnnnnnn
19:14 Prophecy: er
19:15 Canner: hi
19:15 *Prophecy is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/945423 Shoujo Fractal - Samayoi no Mei (MV Short)]
19:16 Prophecy: M4M
19:16 Prophecy: or NM
19:16 Prophecy: :^)
19:17 Canner: 你已經給過我一次這譜的req了 o.o
19:17 Prophecy: O_O
19:17 Prophecy: I forget X)X
19:17 Prophecy: *X_X
19:18 Prophecy: ww
19:18 Canner: o.o
19:22 *Canner is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/922533 CosMo@BousouP - Oceanus]
19:22 Canner: m4m o.o
19:23 Prophecy: okok
19:23 Prophecy: I will skip all GD (runs, jk)
19:23 Canner: o.o
19:24 Canner: mod hell oni please
19:24 Prophecy: I am dem Property Futsoo
19:24 Prophecy: you know :^)
19:24 Canner: :^
20:35 Canner: PRO o.o
20:38 Prophecy: O_O
21:54 Canner: o.o
21:54 Prophecy: ok
21:57 Canner: start from kantan o.o
21:57 Prophecy: sure :^)
21:58 Canner: 00:06:209 (6) - this note can be delete o.o
21:58 Prophecy: ok
21:59 Canner: 00:17:084 (9,10) - finish?
22:00 Prophecy: Sure :^)))
22:04 Canner: 00:25:709 - add k?
22:04 Prophecy: ww
22:04 Prophecy: I forget this X_X
22:04 Canner: 咁空住好似有D奇怪orz
22:04 Prophecy: orz
22:05 Prophecy: yea
22:06 Canner: 00:36:209 (42) - move to 00:36:584 - here?
22:06 Canner: sounds little better (
22:06 Prophecy: no because I'm following senya
22:06 Prophecy: XP
22:07 Canner: ok :3
22:09 Canner: 00:39:584 (45,46,47,48,49,50,51) - a little long for kantan? idk whether 160bpm kantan can use it
22:09 Prophecy: 5 plet ok
22:13 Canner: ok好似無咩大問題
22:13 Prophecy: wa
22:13 Prophecy: I am noob
22:16 Canner: orz掉線
22:16 Prophecy: orz
22:18 Canner: 21:13 (Canner) 仲有我覺得offset好似快左d (
22:20 Prophecy: `o, IDK
22:20 Prophecy: Regraz send me the offset
22:20 Canner: o.o
22:22 Prophecy: 0.0
22:23 Canner: MuZuKaShii o.o
22:24 Prophecy: ok
22:24 Prophecy: Muzu 1/2 spam
22:26 Canner: 00:14:459 (34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41) - o.o
22:26 Prophecy:
22:26 Prophecy: 1/4 :^)
22:26 Canner: 1/2spam+1/4 (
22:26 Prophecy:
22:26 Prophecy: rankable is ok
22:26 Prophecy: not 1/4 spam lol
22:27 Canner: :3
22:27 Prophecy: :3
22:29 Canner: so many 1/2spam (
22:29 Prophecy: yea
22:30 Canner: but idk how to delete them is better lol
22:31 Prophecy: ]xD
22:33 Canner: 00:38:271 (120,121,122) - dont suggest using ddk in 1/2 spam :3
22:33 Prophecy: I use ddd
22:33 Prophecy: same at 00:51:771 (175,176,177) -
22:33 Canner: can change into kkk
22:33 Prophecy: kkk/ddd
22:34 Prophecy: kkk better :O)
22:35 Canner: ok :3
22:35 Canner: 00:41:271 (134) - this can be delete
22:36 Prophecy: o
22:38 Canner: network broken orz
22:38 Prophecy: orz
22:40 Canner: 00:44:084 (144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156) - this can delete as o ooo ooooooo imo orz
22:40 Canner: 00:47:084 (158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,168,169,170) - these are the same :3
22:41 Prophecy: kek
22:41 Canner: or you can change into ooo ooo ooooo (
22:41 Prophecy: ok
22:46 Canner: 我覺得服務器有問題orz
22:46 Prophecy: xDD
22:46 Prophecy: ..!report
22:46 Canner: 174 175 176 ddk
22:46 Prophecy: no
22:46 Prophecy: monotone color or DQ
22:46 Prophecy: by Dake
22:47 Canner: o.o
22:48 Prophecy: 0.0
22:48 Canner: 192~204 can change as 144~156 as the same pattern
22:48 Canner: 0.0
22:49 Prophecy: wow nice catch
22:49 Canner: 206~218 also :3
22:51 Prophecy: all same
22:51 Canner: 01:03:959 (225,226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235) - qwq
22:51 Prophecy: QwQ
22:52 Canner: can change into ooo o ooooo? qwq
22:53 Prophecy: ok QwQ
22:55 Canner: http://puu.sh/olBBM.png qwq
22:55 Canner: ok this is better i think
22:57 Prophecy: wow
22:57 Prophecy: nniceee
23:00 Canner: orz this is finish
23:00 Prophecy: orz
23:00 Prophecy: thanks <3

xtrem3x wrote:

Removing my lazyness ...


General:

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

ADN's Kantan

• 
  00:30:151 - Is possible add k note here? ... specifically to follow piano sound. The snapping would be rather complicated for Kantan.
  00:36:151 - Same ^ same as ^
  00:42:151 - Same ^ ^
  00:48:151 - Same ^ ^
  
  starts spinner in 01:33:190- and finish same in 01:35:290- ... I think the current start point sounds much more natural.

ADN's Oni

• 
  00:54:901 - change this note to k ... to follow vocal sound (?) No change as vocal pitch is the same as 00:54:526 (190) -
  
  01:01:839 - In this part is confuse, but is possible add note? I would like to focus more on the vocal in this session.
  
  01:21:057 - is possible fill this part ... for focus in piano sound (?) Retained for break consistency as 01:09:057 -

xtrem3x wrote:

Removing my lazyness ...


General:

don = d
kat = k
Big Don = D
Big Kat = K

Futsuu

• 
  
  starts spinner in 01:33:190- and finish same in 01:35:290- I think the current start point sounds much more natural.

Muzukashii

• 
  starts spinner in 01:33:190- and finish in 01:35:290- focusing in vocal sound but ends where have last BG sound. think the current start point sounds much more natural.

1. 5 OD is fine.
   
2. 00:08:589 (18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30) - You don't need this many notes here, I think. The song is peaceful like Futsuu maps it.
3. 00:19:464 (61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72) - There are parts like this in Muzukashii that are the same as Oni, when they could instead be made easier to have better spread with Futsuu. Any difference would help.
4. 00:25:839 (87,88) - These notes don't really fit any rhythm.
5. 00:50:589 - Here the spread thing kinda happens too. Futsuu is clost to Kantan but Muzu is close to Oni. Especially 00:55:839 (174,175,176,177,178,179) - lol.
   
6. 01:09:526 - Add a note?
7. 01:11:964 (222,223,224,225,226,227) - Less notes?
8. 01:17:964 (245,246) - Swap? Since you have a lot of dk dk
9. 01:22:464 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271) - Probably don't need 1/4

1. 00:18:339 (27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - Too many breaks here, try to add a note somewhere.
2. 00:25:839 (44) - Should go at 00:25:745
   
3. 00:26:589 - For some reason this slow part is one of the hardest parts of the map. Remove notes from this and from Muzukashii.
4. 00:50:589 (93,94,95,96) - Same, less breaks.

OzzyOzrock wrote:

[Muzukashii]

1. 5 OD is fine. OD +0.5 to 5
   
2. 00:08:589 (18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30) - You don't need this many notes here, I think. The song is peaceful like Futsuu maps it. Fixed, removed the notes that stick together (1/2 and 1/4 pattern)
3. 00:19:464 (61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72) - There are parts like this in Muzukashii that are the same as Oni, when they could instead be made easier to have better spread with Futsuu. Any difference would help. Reduced Note Density at kiai part.
4. 00:25:839 (87,88) - These notes don't really fit any rhythm. Moved 1/4 before.
5. 00:50:589 - Here the spread thing kinda happens too. Futsuu is clost to Kantan but Muzu is close to Oni. Especially 00:55:839 (174,175,176,177,178,179) - lol. Same, Reduced some notes to maintain the spread.
   
6. 01:09:526 - Add a note? Added, following vocal.
7. 01:11:964 (222,223,224,225,226,227) - Less notes? Added few 1/2 notes.
8. 01:17:964 (245,246) - Swap? Since you have a lot of dk dk nice catch, Changed to kd
9. 01:22:464 (259,260,261,262,263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271) - Probably don't need 1/4 kdddk is fine, Thanks!

[Futsuu]

1. 00:18:339 (27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - Too many breaks here, try to add a note somewhere. Added 00:19:464 (30) - and 00:20:964 (34) -
2. 00:25:839 (44) - Should go at 00:25:745 I am not sure with this 1/4, but I agree with you, fixed.
   
3. 00:26:589 - For some reason this slow part is one of the hardest parts of the map. Remove notes from this and from Muzukashii. I am following the vocal part, if this is empty, it's really strange. but, I can see your point. Thanks for pointing out this. I will consider to remove this.
4. 00:50:589 (93,94,95,96) - Same, less breaks. Added 00:50:964 (96,97) - and 00:52:464 (100,101) -

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Here is an IRC mod as requested by Prophecy to fix the spread issues present in Futsuu and Muzukashii.

IRC mod with Prophecy, June 18, 2016

16:27 Prophecy: hi nardo
16:27 *Prophecy is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/945421 Shoujo Fractal - Samayoi no Mei (MV Short)]
16:28 Prophecy: Can you help me to improve the spread in this set?
16:28 Prophecy: It's quite confusing with the spread between Futsuu and Muzukashii
16:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm
16:30 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:11:026 - add d as the music is a bit different from 00:08:964 -
16:30 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/945421 Shoujo Fractal - Samayoi no Mei (MV Short) [Muzukashii]]
16:31 Prophecy: oh, I see
16:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:56:120 (165) - move to 00:54:901 - and delete 00:56:026 (165) -
16:37 Prophecy: Following vocal, ok!
16:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:13:839 (220) - add finish and delete 01:14:026 (221) - to reduce note density.
16:41 Prophecy: OK!
16:42 Nardoxyribonucleic: It seems that you reduced the note density from 01:04:089 - to 01:08:964 - , but it turned out to be a bit undermapped for Muzukashii.
16:43 Prophecy: but Ozzy said the gap between Futsuu and Muzukashii is a little bit big!?
16:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:05:401 - add k, 01:06:901 - add d and change 01:07:089 (199) - to K.
16:44 Prophecy: I changed dk dk -> dkddk
16:44 Nardoxyribonucleic: But now the spread with Oni is a bit wide now
16:44 Prophecy: ok!
16:45 Prophecy: Still put a don between dk dk ?
16:45 Nardoxyribonucleic: no need
16:45 Prophecy: OK!
16:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: add k ? The gap sounds a bit weird.
16:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: at 01:08:964 -
16:47 Prophecy: yep, I added
16:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:12:432 (217) - as Ozzy said, maybe delete this?
16:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:17:401 - add k and 01:18:901 - add d ? Same as the first part of kiai
16:50 Prophecy: It Sure !
16:50 Prophecy: *
16:50 Prophecy: Maybe we should add few notes on Futsuu?
16:51 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes, I will go over Futsuu with you after Muzukashii
16:51 Prophecy: ok
16:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: From 01:14:964 - to 01:16:089 - maybe try d k kkk d k D ? I think the kiai should contain a bit more 1/4 notes
16:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: http://puu.sh/pwYDO.jpg
16:54 Prophecy: nice idea,
16:54 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:21:526 - add d to improve the spread with Oni ?
16:54 Prophecy: yea
16:54 Prophecy: How about the spinner part?
16:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:26:776 (272) - move to 01:27:432 - and change to k, then change 01:27:151 (273) - to k ?
16:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: This is to cohere with the pattern at 01:14:964 -
16:57 Prophecy: but kkd is better :^)
16:57 Prophecy: ok, kkk is the best
16:57 Prophecy: in Muzu
16:58 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:19:464 (245,246) - use k D instead of K d.
16:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: The stress is wrongly put imo
17:00 Prophecy: 01:18:526 (242,243,244,245) - dkdk is weird here imo
17:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: you should take a look at 01:06:526 - then.
17:01 Prophecy: ok, is fine now
17:02 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/861252 Shoujo Fractal - Samayoi no Mei (MV Short) [Futsuu]]
17:02 Prophecy: ok!
17:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:19:464 (30,34) - change to k for a smoother flow?
17:07 Prophecy: yeah, same as Muzu
17:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:214 (53) - move to 00:27:714 - and change to k, then delete 00:26:964 (48) - ?
17:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: The gap with Kantan is big, so you need to avoid 1/2 notes
17:10 Prophecy: yeas
17:10 Prophecy: *yes
17:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:29:964 (54) - delete too
17:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:32:964 (58) - ^
17:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:35:214 (63) - and 00:35:964 (65) - ^
17:11 Prophecy: ok!
17:12 Prophecy: but the gap between Futsuu and Muzukashii will larger than before.
17:12 Nardoxyribonucleic: I will go back to Muzukashii later.
17:13 Prophecy: ok
17:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:38:964 (68) - move to 00:39:714 - , delete 00:41:214 (73) - and 00:41:964 (75) -
17:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: then 00:42:526 - add k
17:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: to keep the pattern consistent with the previous one
17:15 Prophecy: yeah, the pattern is simple now
17:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:44:964 (78) - 00:47:214 (83) - 00:47:964 (85) - delete
17:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:48:526 - add k
17:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:14:026 - add d
17:19 Nardoxyribonucleic: Now you need to make the kiai in Futsuu harder
17:20 Prophecy: yeah
17:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:14:589 (138) - D as you did in Muzukashii?
17:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: Done? It wouldn't hurt if you add k at 01:09:339 - and 01:09:714 -
17:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: How come you went AFK in the middle of the irc lol
17:27 Prophecy: lol
17:27 Prophecy: I go to WC, sorry ;*
17:28 Prophecy: ok, added
17:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:15:339 - add k and change 01:15:714 (141) - to k for the same sense as above
17:29 Prophecy: same as before kkd
17:30 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:21:339 - 01:21:714 - as well
17:30 Prophecy: ok!
17:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:25:651 - add k and change 01:25:089 (162) - to D for density increase?
17:32 Prophecy: yep, it's nice
17:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: Now we should go back to Muzu
17:33 Prophecy: OK!
17:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:27:714 (86) - 00:30:714 (95) - delete to keep a gap with Oni
17:35 Prophecy: nice
17:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: The same goes to the remaining 3 similar patterns
17:36 Nardoxyribonucleic: delete 8 notes in total
17:36 Prophecy: done.
17:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:38:964 (111,112) - swapping these notes to k d could make it consistent with 00:26:964 (83,84) -
17:38 Prophecy: it would be strange here (00:39:901 (115,116) - ) maybe using a dk?
17:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: dk cannot fit the 1/1 kats afterwards
17:40 Prophecy: GIve me 5 mins, something need to do
17:40 Prophecy: sorry for this
17:41 Nardoxyribonucleic: That's all from me already :3

OzzyOzrock wrote:

THANK YOU

Bubbled!

Regraz wrote:

Fix hitsounds issues, let's try!

OzzyOzrock wrote:

THANK YOU

Surono wrote:

Thank you, Surono 3< 3

IamKwaN wrote:

I could only find this, so no suffix is more suitable. MV　ショート (Romanisation: MV Short) describes the MV instead of the song.

Better use 少女フラクタル as the Artist as shown in the video, the romanisation is Shoujo Fractal. '柚木梨沙' and 'Yuzuki Risa', with '幽雅に咲かせ、墨染の桜 ～ Border of Life', 'Yuuga ni Sakase, Sumizome no Sakura ~' belong to the Tags.

Other fields are fine.

http://puu.sh/o9uuN/50ab3756b7.png from http://www.yuuhei-satellite.jp/2999

o/

Surono wrote:

re-gz, prop

also Footshoe diff fullmods, ez? :^)