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In your eyes, how relevant is ranking to skill?
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I think touchscreens are ok
Touchscreens are fine themselves, just the ranking system doesn't account for them at all
Because we demand balance in a game that can't make it happen.
Sup A Noob wrote:
Because we demand balance in a game that can't make it happen.
balance in rhythm game ROFLMAO
it's like trying to say that olympic is balanced for everyone
it's like trying to say that olympic is balanced for everyone
From title: Ranking to skill
in most cases no. There are probably some ~10k players who are worse than ~20k players who have HDHR-only top scores with good acc while some if not most 10k players have DT-only or nomod scores from tillerino...
in most cases no. There are probably some ~10k players who are worse than ~20k players who have HDHR-only top scores with good acc while some if not most 10k players have DT-only or nomod scores from tillerino...
you suck at this game if you think rank = skill.
bye
touch screen is still impressive.
bye
touch screen is still impressive.
My friend is like +5,000 rank on me and I dumpster him every time we do multiplayer, even when he hosts his own songs. There are also many songs I can play that he can't come close to even passing so PP is probably not a very good indicator of skill.
That's not even a huge difference at your level.dem0nwing wrote:
My friend is like +5,000 rank on me and I dumpster him every time we do multiplayer, even when he hosts his own songs. There are also many songs I can play that he can't come close to even passing so PP is probably not a very good indicator of skill.
So he should be slightly better or at least roughly even. Like I said, though, I wreck him in every map, even the ones he's practiced that I've never played before, 90-95% of the time. That shouldn't happen in any other functional ranking system, he "should" be ranked a lot lower than me.Khelly wrote:
That's not even a huge difference at your level.dem0nwing wrote:
My friend is like +5,000 rank on me and I dumpster him every time we do multiplayer, even when he hosts his own songs. There are also many songs I can play that he can't come close to even passing so PP is probably not a very good indicator of skill.
And rank 40,000 vs rank 45,000 is enough of a deviation that there should be some noticeable difference in skill, particularly given that this game is almost entirely one-dimensional. It isn't like SCII/League/CS:GO/DotA where different players have different sets of skills that you can't compare, like maybe you have godly aim and can DM the fuck out of anyone, but have terrible decision making in a match, so maybe you'll have the same ranking as someone with worse aim than you that you always beat in DM.
Now how much effort have you put into ranking compared to him? If what you claim is true then if you worked harder you should be able to easily be ranked higher.
Well, this is the whole point. He uses Tillerino or whatever (not sure exactly) to find very PP efficient songs and farms PP on easy songs that have high yield. Meanwhile, I don't really care about any of that so I just do the hardest/coolest songs I am able to do regardless of PP yield or whatever. This results in me playing more difficult songs that have lower relative yield than his, or just playing much more difficult songs that I can't necessarily FC resulting in lower rank. The variance for this is huge, and now that I check my PP yield after every FC, it seems like the actual difficulty of the song within a certain bracket is completely irrelevant to its PP yield. I've played very fast jumpy songs that took me many plays to FC and felt really good finally nailing only to find I got shit for PP. Other times I play slow boring songs that I FC on, like, the first try, and get tons of PP.Khelly wrote:
Now how much effort have you put into ranking compared to him? If what you claim is true then if you worked harder you should be able to easily be ranked higher.
Obviously there is somewhat of a correlation. If a song is MUCH more difficult, it will definitely have more PP on an FC, but when it comes to song remotely within the same bracket of skill there is massive variance. You shouldn't be able to have a 20% PP advantage just because you played the "right" songs, that is WAY too much. In an "ideal" system, a player wouldn't need to go out of their way to play the "special" songs to farm for PP, just play any song and, if they are better, they will have higher PP. Otherwise, you might as well just split ranked up into seasons with a limited map pool of 100something for ranked so nobody has to worry about whether their map happens to be a PP goldmine or not.
I understand that osu! doesn't put much emphasis on an accurate ladder or rankings, and that's fine, I just play it for fun in between queues and waiting for in-houses or whatever, but if the discussion is going to be about whether the PP system actually works as an ELO-style skill determiner, it just doesn't work. It only works on a VERY general basis. If someone has double your PP, they are almost definitely going to be better, sure, but if two people are anywhere remotely near each other (I'm talking 20-30% PP margin), it's completely inaccurate.
Your ranking can always be somewhat relevant to your own skill if you choose it to be. For everyone else, it's only relevant when the change in rank demonstrates the player is improving and that player is actually improving. There are so many ways to trick the system, on purpose or by accident, that it is best to take ranking with a grain of salt.
Thst leaves only accuracy since every other thing is so versatileDextersydney wrote:
you suck at this game if you think rank = skill.
bye
touch screen is still impressive.
That's, like, the worst measurement. Person A plays only 2 star songs with 100% accuracy. Person B plays 8 star songs with 93% accuracy. Person A is way better then, right?Aktsumi wrote:
Thst leaves only accuracy since every other thing is so versatileDextersydney wrote:
you suck at this game if you think rank = skill.
bye
touch screen is still impressive.
Then multiply by star rating. kappadem0nwing wrote:
That's, like, the worst measurement. Person A plays only 2 star songs with 100% accuracy. Person B plays 8 star songs with 93% accuracy. Person A is way better then, right?
Lol the difficulty is what matters most. Disregard accuracy and other things xD
player A is able to clear 5 star with 70% acc and player B is able to FC 4.8 star with 100% acc_StormEx_ wrote:
Lol the difficulty is what matters most. Disregard accuracy and other things xD
player A is stronger Kappa
Is that why all your top ranks are TV size farm maps? If you can shit out x PP plays you deserve the respective rank.dem0nwing wrote:
I don't really care about any of that so I just do the hardest/coolest songs I am able to do regardless of PP yield or whatever
Yes, my top ranks wind up being easy farm maps because they give more PP than any other map I play, even the harder ones. That is the entire fucking point. If I wanted to boost my rank I could fill my entire feed up with those. It's not like I know that I'm playing a farm map until I check my PP afterward and see it go way up. It's really awkward when I one-shot S a song like "that was pretty easy", check my profile and see it somehow is my top PP score, above songs that were actually difficult and took me tons of tries to get right.B1oody wrote:
Is that why all your top ranks are TV size farm maps? If you can shit out x PP plays you deserve the respective rank.dem0nwing wrote:
I don't really care about any of that so I just do the hardest/coolest songs I am able to do regardless of PP yield or whatever
Fahk me then ZZZzzzzZZzzStephOsu wrote:
player A is able to clear 5 star with 70% acc and player B is able to FC 4.8 star with 100% acc_StormEx_ wrote:
Lol the difficulty is what matters most. Disregard accuracy and other things xD
player A is stronger Kappa
roasted LOLampranthus wrote:
also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli you might want to change your profile pic cause there are a lot of people who would disagree with your tastes too[/size]
Skill is subjective. It's basically what impresses you the most for the most part. High bpm impresses me because my left hand can't even stream 200bpm properly.
It's almost sad because you've made the exact same reading comprehension failure as they didWrite wrote:
roasted LOLampranthus wrote:
also if you're talking shit about some guy who's called a loli you might want to change your profile pic cause there are a lot of people who would disagree with your tastes too[/size]
But nah, this is more in the line of funny instead
Setsuna wrote:
Skill is subjective. It's basically what impresses you the most for the most part. High bpm impresses me because my left hand can't even stream 200bpm properly.
That was me 1 year ago, player A. Fun times I gotta say.StephOsu wrote:
player A is able to clear 5 star with 70% acc and player B is able to FC 4.8 star with 100% acc_StormEx_ wrote:
Lol the difficulty is what matters most. Disregard accuracy and other things xD
player A is stronger Kappa
yes that's me right now except when i farm ppDextersydney wrote:
That was me 1 year ago, player A. Fun times I gotta say.
Clearly he is depressed and in need of skystar'sDextersydney wrote:
Setsuna wrote:
Skill is subjective. It's basically what impresses you the most for the most part. High bpm impresses me because my left hand can't even stream 200bpm properly.
ftfychainpullz wrote:
Clearly he is depressed and in need of skystar's mutual dick.
quick, we need to help him! ! !
Clearly he is depressed and in need of skystar'sdickmutual.
I suggest binary sudoku if you wish to make it quick and painless.Setsuna wrote:
About to commit sudoku
Can i make it as painful as possible because Skystar never notices me?chainpullz wrote:
I suggest binary sudoku if you wish to make it quick and painless.Setsuna wrote:
About to commit sudoku
Quick question: Does inconsistency make you a bad player?
E.g. You're really good at everything but chokes most of the time, then it means that you're still bad?
E.g. You're really good at everything but chokes most of the time, then it means that you're still bad?
I suggest hexadecimal sudoku for that.Setsuna wrote:
Can i make it as painful as possible because Skystar never notices me?chainpullz wrote:
I suggest binary sudoku if you wish to make it quick and painless.
This is going to sound corny. If you enjoy the game, you are a good player. If you are inconsistent but good with... Lets say jumping or streaming or whatever. You can argue u are good at so-and-so, but say u are inconsistent. That's just what i think though 😃Arthraxium wrote:
Quick question: Does inconsistency make you a bad player?
E.g. You're really good at everything but chokes most of the time, then it means that you're still bad?
I am inconsistent...
hey at least you are consistent at being inconsistentThe Gambler wrote:
I am inconsistent...
Sorry, even that isn't an exception.StephOsu wrote:
hey at least you are consistent at being inconsistentThe Gambler wrote:
I am inconsistent...
Some days its a win streak, some days its a losing streak, and some completely mixed. And there is no science behind it.