Fort wrote:

the most thing is not a logic is an triplet overmapping + excessive jump on it, this overmapped parts can became a severe problem if you going to push forward this beatmap, this causing a really uncomfortable map which it has only forcing players to do your own patterns without take a look at the music it self.

Fort wrote:

and the gay post is telling about how shit this map is
LOL

Bold means most questionable thing

Comfort:
AR10 makes it really hard AR10 actually makes it much more comfortable for players of this skill level.
00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - what the meaning for this 288bpm high jumps if you have small spacing for 00:14:978 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1) - patterns? is it really better if you put lower spacing on 00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - to make that pattern make senses, probably this pattern just sudden death move which can make people really confused about the jumps and the difference of pattern on next patterning circles+sliders I'm putting emphasis on the seven notes originally, they're independent and untied to any other musical part of the map. They've got extremely large spacing, but the jumps are easier to hit than they appear, depending on tablet area. Larger tablet area players will really struggle with the end of this pattern, and later patterns. Better to get that feeling out of the way early on, these 7 notes instantly "set the tone" for the entire map from that point forward.

00:15:395 (3,4,5,6) - this is really confusing about your first combo and transition doest like easy to read, because yeah on 00:15:395 (3,4) - it was following the melody but you suddenly change 00:15:707 (5,6) - pattern to basic beat patterning which is really questionable for your previous combo patterning and i think it's really better if you swap this pattern 00:15:707 (5,6) - or make 3 circles if you want emphasize 00:15:811 (6) - snare sound on here, but i feel like the previous pattern doesnt following kick and snare at all, it follows melody (and since you map 00:07:895 - with melodical pattern it's really great job if you change this) I have no idea what you're trying to make me do here. The combo follows the piano just fine, with 00:15:811 (6) - filling in the bassline so there isn't a bunch of blank space between 5 and the wub of 00:16:020 (1) - . 7:895 is irrelevant because there is no pattern there and it's a simple filler combo that's flowing downwards.

00:16:020 (1,1) - why this should have spam combo? the SV speed almost like same and the rhythm pattern is just only an odd sliders, but i think it will be alright and it will be more fine if you delete that combo This isn't really spam. The new combo is simply to emphasize the wub, and that the slider is going into 1/8 territory. It's, for me, aesthetics.

00:16:228 (1,2) - the most confusing thing i can't get it is this is not a new stanza but why you change your own rhythm pattern and swap it to Kick snare basic pattern? which the most thing is an melodical patterning, 00:16:540 - this beat is skipped by a slider end and it doest make this pattern really easy to read, and yeah that's kinda inconsistant between Patterning and Combo too, 00:16:645 (3) - this circle didn't really affecting on the patterns which players are focusing on the melodical pattern (for now this melodical pattern is really strong since you map like that on intro and what so ever) I simply feel like the spacing between 00:16:228 (1,2) - is much more significant than the similar beat pattern beforehand due to it immediately following a wub. This combo is a connector between the two sliders that play for the one-off wub/synth noises that camellia loves to interject into this track. Readability concerns are hard to pin down at AR18 and 288bpm, but I can safely say I don't find many people missing in these transitional areas.

00:18:415 (7,1,1,2) - the jumping pattern in here is like hard to believe since that one looks so small distance for strong emphasize like in there, there was really strong melodical patterning in here, but yeah once again you skipped that strong beat for just an low kick sound at this music, yup there is in 00:19:040 - which you didn't map that potential beat and you skip that with a 1/2 slider, it makes the rhythm reading decreasing so much when players focusing to hear melody instead of clicking this 00:19:145 (3) - . and the most hard thing is, 00:19:145 (3) - this pattern has hardly stacked on 0 level (i think) which it makes hard reading pattern reading on AR10 for that random kick slider, not so random but the others can feel that so hard to hit The jumping pattern is fine. 7->1 plays fine and after that is another transitional set of combos. This section is focused on the weird-looking wub/synth sliders, with the other combos being transtions between them that follow beat patterns. I'm not going to be able to make every beat have a click - this map would turn into a fucking nightmare of unplayable goo. 00:19:145 (3) - has no problems being visible. You overestimate AR10's effects on readability.

00:22:374 (3,4,1) - another questionable thing in here is like on this pattern which it has focusing on melody (especially on 00:22:686 (1,1,2) - yeah that so strong for a nice high spacing jumps, but yeah why don't you make like that? is it a great opportunity to make good emphasize right? and yeah you skipped good beats again and sacrifice it for just a kick sound, that kind is really hard to believe since this only was an 144bpm map and the melody have 288bpm pattern which it has more stronger to follow the melody instead of following basic beats on this beatmap, try make some priority on mapping for this one. See, the thing is, people link a specific combo and mention all the other combos that are inconsistent with it but then forget to notice that there is structure to the chaos. 00:22:061 (1,2,3,4) - follows the same "melody" as 00:15:395 (3,4,5,6) - , and even 00:19:353 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Helpfully, they're all even the same color, as this pattern happens fairly consistently! In the track, sometimes the melody is strongest, sometimes there's a weird camellia-thing where he puts in something much more powerful that I have to map or I feel like I'm ignoring it. These "melody" following combos are the "default" transition between all of the weird craziness the map is otherwise following, and as a very simple offbeat polarizing set of clicks, it works perfectly fine. Modifications of the "default" transition include 00:24:561 (1,2,3,4,5) - (which replaces the last slider with two notes) and 00:18:728 (1,2,3) - , which sacrifices the click on the end because the bass lasts the entire duration of the slider rather than ending on the middle tick. (The wub, however, still ends at the middle, this is probably why it might look confusing at first glance).

00:27:686 (1,2) - it's really better if you make a arrow slider in here and make a kick sliders on 00:27:895 (1) - . it will be make more senses with 00:28:311 (1) - emphasizing speed, and it's a lot readable too I disagree. I like the current click pattern as it allows the "stream" to end as a full 8 notes, while having the buildup 1/8 buzz slider offer a tiny break for any alternating fingers.

00:28:624 (2,3,4,5,6,1,1,2,3,4) - yeah same as above, the advantage of the melodical mapping is like you can read the patterns easily without thinking twice since this is an high bpm map which needs more reflects than sightreading, the sightreading chance in here is really low, it's only just for TOP rank players can FC this thing (yeah maybe 1-500 people can sightread this and got FCs) which it can be really abnormal if you play this map. Even though the combo is no longer coincidentally yellow, 00:28:728 (3,4,5,6) - is still the "default" transition combo and happens so often that players can easily tell what's happening. Sightreading is, dare I say, largely irrelevant to my concerns for this map as I would be extremely shocked if anyone were to seriously think this map should be fcable on the first play, which is basically what "sightreading" implies. This isn't a PP map that's built on having the same, extremely simple structure as every other PP map so that players can simply enter autopilot and mash keys and make huge jumps to victory. This map actually requires paying attention and understanding the melody. A player who FCs this map would probably be able to play the entire track in their head, from start to finish, from memory. Most maps, people only ever remember the chorus and maybe a few stanzas of the rest of the track. Routing is different.

00:30:811 (3,1) - this is about combo which really questionable why you prefer 00:31:228 (1) - as a combo than 00:30:811 (3) - ?, the melodical and some unique sounds really good for 00:30:811 (3) - new combo, and the 00:31:228 (1) - seems didnt feel like it blending with a melody which that circle was a low melody sound (even weaker than 00:31:124 (4) -) and looks like that was a failed combo patterning to executing 00:31:228 (1,2,3,4) - so well (it has massive melodical thing there and it's really offbeats (especially on 00:31:332 (2,3) - + a zero stacking make it really worse to sightread or pattern reading)
well yeah, you know what should you do for that, follow melody will become better and more focused on emphasizing 1 map) I actually agree that (3) should probably have the new combo, for it to be consistent with 00:17:061 (1,2,1) - . The rest of this I have no idea what you're going on about, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

00:32:478 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - this pattern is lot more confusing, which one did you follow? are you following both? i think this is not really good for a high BPM map like this which this was an reading error between this patterns 00:32:895 (1,2,3,4) -, 00:32:478 (4) - this slider probably needs to be changed to circles if you didnt want this happen) Ah, but see, 00:32:895 (1,2,3,4) - is, again, that "default" melody combo. 4's modification is that it is a full 1/2 slider rather than 1/4 to facilitate (or polarize, if you want to be charles) the following offbeat jump pairs. 00:32:061 (1,2,3,4) - is also the "default" combo and the entire point is that it happens twice, with a 1/6 grind between them, which is why they overlap eachother as well.

00:33:311 (4,1) - really questionable thing, why you didnt new combo this ending stanza and why did you NC this nonsensational circle 00:33:624 (1) - ? and the most awkward thing in here is like why you map a crazy jumps in such a weak musical rhythm (especially for 00:33:624 (1,2,3) - which it has really blank beats and that one is highly suggested to be changed to a slider). the thing makes really confusing when you skipped this Kick sound 00:33:520 - to a slider end which makes this is really questionable patterning type for all people in here, this is exactly like 00:33:520 - is deserving a clickable object, makes it comfort and makes your patterning more readable The new combo is there because there's no reason to have the new combo on 4, the combo would be too long otherwise, and it'd be really weird to have new combos mid-jumps. Originally, the 1,2,3,4,5,6 was 1,2,1,2,1,2, but that proved very weird to see. I wish I could keep it as 1,2,1,2,1,2, but when a BN says change it or they won't push it forward, you're put in a weird spot, aren't you, Fort? The reason the slider ends on a "kick" or "clickable object" is to allow the following offbeat jumps to even be possible - having a click there would depolarize the entire thing and force it to be a singletap pattern. I assure you, changing 00:33:311 (4,1) - to a 1/4 slider and 2 circles would make this pattern almost impossible to play, rather than simply difficult.

00:36:540 (1,1) - the most weird thing i see, the SV change and the rhythm choice is really questionable, because in 00:36:853 - has really big melodical starter to make the 00:37:061 (1) - can be more readable, in this case you're too much pressure player to forcing players get that this sudden SV change without any warning. I don't see the problem here. It's a slow slider with a kink on a beat. This happens literally all the time in many maps. The SV change isn't all that sudden. The ticks clearly slow the slider is slower, the shape is much different than any other slider before it, which makes the player give it a closer look and see the ticks. This happens, yes, at AR10 and is very reliable. Players have a full half a second to notice the ticks, and it happens every single time, without fail.

00:39:145 (1,2,3) - it will be better if you put a high jumping pattern for this emphasizing, the music is really needs it and looks like the flow on slider and the distance snapping is really harsh, and the high jump spacing in there makes this pattern more effective for an antijump + ascension pattern I feel like the pattern is more important than the spacing here. As I'm sure you're aware, jumping between sliders has massive leniencies that allow them to be thrown across the screen from eachother without much care. Heck, I was one of the first people to realize that back in 2011. Charles and I threw in a massive slider jump in Solar and found that it played perfectly fine.

Thus, conversely, any emphasis made by using distance between two sliders isn't as strong as it looks. Here, I decided that having a coherent pattern to the clicks was more faithful to the music rather than simply spacing them out.

00:44:301 (2) - this is not really good as you expected before you create this, think about this one, when you like going to a slow part and then you deal with that sudden overmapped 288bpm stream how'd you feel?, yup that's why you need to remove that stream, and don't make any sudden high density pattern at this part, 1/6 stream is enough for this part This fits the music and isn't overmapped. Weren't you just complaining earlier that I was ignoring beats? :^) But for real, considering how the note is between two sliders that are probably going to be singletapped anyway, this kind of combo is fine as long as the player knows it's there - which they will, because they're not playing this map once, got it? because "slider->circle->slider Z->X-Z" is probably the most basic and easy click combo in existence. I had a 1/8 in Akasagarbha, a 192bpm map, just like this, that was quite good. ( 01:07:901 (2,3,4) - of shiirn's extra in Daxmasterix's map, if you want to see.)

00:52:686 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - this jump pattern is not easy to read, it is not easy to read. trust me, the patterning on 00:51:853 (1,2,3,4,5) - makes this circle bang shot is like OMG, and the stacking makes it worse to read on AR10, and there is no clue that you can read it with a follow point, yeah this jump even can't be readed so easily with follow point on the map, and 00:53:207 (6,1) - the flow direction on here is make the next pattern aim is worse, like how'd you bursting jump like this 00:53:624 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? the back patterning like this kinda makes a big mistakes on the map Follow points aren't necessary for reading. Like I've said a few times here, sightreading isn't an issue I'm going to work on to make perfect because I don't expect this track to be played all of once, or even a dozen times. An FC on this map will take at least 80 tries. I'd be astonished if anyone manages it with under 100, simply because the rhythms are that weird. Since they're going to be playing the map that many times anyway, concerns over sightreadability on the first play should be taken with a grain of salt. With that in mind, this is a fairly simple back-and-forth scaling spacing pattern. Nothing all that weird or unique about it. That entire section can basically be called a "back and forth" section.

00:56:020 (3,4,5) - the thing s really confusing again, and about emphasizing the pattern this kinda awkward when you put a high jump pattern at exactly on weak musical rhythm, how suppose this jump can work? well yeah, less distance can make flow really better and good Spacing between the sliders doesn't matter all that much, especially when vertical. If anything, I'm personally more concerned about the placement of 2, but since you didn't mention it I assume you thought it was fine.

00:58:207 (1) - seems you put wrong stacking, it looks neater if you stack with slider tail + confusion with zero stack reduced I actually kind of like how the last note that finally escapes the "spinning" sliders starts on the start of the slider rather than the end. Gameplay-wise, there's practically no difference, Visually, you can see this slider much more clearly if it comes out of the start rather than the end. I say it's better for it to be visible rather than continue the same pattern simply because it's the same pattern.

01:01:332 (1,2) - it's really better if you not follow the scratch sound yet, please follow finish beat on there first so you can make a nice scratch patterning on 01:01:645 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - looks really bettern and more confident I disagree. I don't know if I actually need to explain my reasoning here as this is purely personal taste related.

01:04:874 (1) - same problem with my previous thing, and yeah i have same thing in here too 01:07:999 (5,6) - ^ tbh

the kiai is most brutal and this is really not a logical thing if you make a difference between Extra and Comfort diff
the most thing is not a logic is an triplet overmapping + excessive jump on it, this overmapped parts can became a severe problem if you going to push forward this beatmap, this causing a really uncomfortable map which it has only forcing players to do your own patterns without take a look at the music it self. hahahaha hearing fort say that makes my day

like on
01:18:520 (1,2,3,4) - the kiai parts it's purely an 1/4 not 1/8, and with the jump flow like that im not sure people can do a good execution for that pattern If you listen closely, there actually is a 1/8 triplet in the music.

01:18:520 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the density of this pattern will became not good if you put this thing, it's just a spammed 1/8 triplets, the only you can do is remove them all and change to spaced circle or create a jump 1/4 sliders (if you keep this problem in your mind, 01:19:561 (6,7,1) - this pattern will be a bad anti jump for emphasizing a little kiai thingy They're not spammed - there's two - and they're not overmapped.

01:21:645 (1,2,3) - the most weird rhythm density emphasize, when you decide to skip this very strong melody 01:21:853 - and go overmapped with the black pattern like 01:21:905 (2,3) - and you put crazy hell anti flow pattern on 01:22:270 (5,6,1,2,3) - with overmapping too, please fix this flow direction especially for 01:22:374 (6) - , this is really excessive and too much pressure on 288bpm map, remember 288bpm isn't easy to map with your own style you need to learn how people playing too Again, still not overmapped. The click patterns are fine. Flow is a tool for making boring maps so utterly boring that people zone out while playing them and misinterpret that as "fun". The spacing and movement are sharp for a reason.

01:23:311 (5,1) - basically this is was a simple pattern but there was a mistake on your patterning when you skip 01:23:936 - as a strong rhythm and you put a sudden pattern like that, that can be awkward. like always you need to put a new combo in 01:23:311 (5) -, that's a warning for players which can read a new pattern, and yeah for 01:23:936 - you should map that one because you put a 1/8 pattern on 01:23:311 (5) - and it wasn't nice if you skip that part and change it to slider end. Uhm, no mistake was made. It's a slider that ends on a beat because I want the player to be ready for the 1/8 triple after it - which is extremely apparent. I'm not putting a new combo on 5 because of the slider velocity change because i don't need to. Weird shape -> look at ticks, bam, slider velocity taken care of, without ruining the pattern of the combo.

01:25:395 (1,2,3,4,5) - honestly i can't get what you mean in here, the rhythm change is not readable for that stanza since you follow synth before, it will be better if you put pattern like this

01:28:103 (3,4) - again, why you did this pattern always, you can test it with yourself? that flow is like a pain in 288bpm if you can feel it Not having a click on a big white tick is not an offense to God, it's simply good business.

01:30:915 (5,6,7) - THIS PATTERN IS REALLY OFF AND DOESN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING, even the kick is really off on there, why BNs bubbling this so fast and didn't think about this pattern before? please pay attention to the rhythm you choose for this, and yeas that pattern can be better if you follow the melody like same as you following a melody on 1st kiai you did This follows the offbeat synth. NOT THE VOCALS because the vocals have less power here. Also, fuck off with your BN comment.

01:29:978 (1,2,3) - PLEASE THIS IS 1/6 OR EXCATLY LIKE THIS http://puu.sh/oMQq3/dc658349b4.png, there is now way you can pass ranked criteria with a wrong overmapped thing, that must be fixed The voice actually does follow 1/8 here, then cascades into 1/6 and weirder timing signatures. Since I don't want to have a note that goes from white tick to yellow tick to brown tick (seriously, 18 to 1/6?) I put the slider on the blue tick and let the rest of the voice carry on. This is the only way to make this voice trill mappable and I really want the voice mapped here.

01:31:540 (1) - keep in your mind you need to keep your melodical things in here, make this 1/4, after that put circle on 01:31:749 - This follows both the vocals AND the bass, and is one of the few moments where both are in harmony, so you'd best bet your ass I'm gonna follow them for the entire 1/2.

01:31:853 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ambigous pattern which has 2 different beat snap in here, it's your choice want to choose 1/6 or 1/4, but in this case the jumps is really excessive and the musical pattern is not really supporting for jump like this (yeah right, i'd better do some lower spacing or creating a 1/4 slider to follow synth more better and put a high distance circle jump at 01:32:478 (1,2,3) -, that's is definitely will become better that your pattern now) Because of the weird ass 1/6 and 1/8 in this section, I stuck to a technique you're extremely familiar with - ignoring the more background elements and mapping the bassline. It helps that a small jump section also fits here!

the rest looks okay, and the ending is like a copy pasta with intro but whatever maybe it just me that.... was intended. lol

Shiro wrote:

Fort accurately describes his maps in one sentence.

Shiro wrote:

Fort wrote:

the most thing is not a logic is an triplet overmapping + excessive jump on it, this overmapped parts can became a severe problem if you going to push forward this beatmap, this causing a really uncomfortable map which it has only forcing players to do your own patterns without take a look at the music it self.

Fort accurately describes his maps in one sentence.

Broccoly wrote:

That's a lot of red!!

Arphimigon wrote:

Hello again everyone! \o/

I see that the main points of Comfort are to provide both challenge and the feel of franticness to both fit the songs nature whilst still being appealing to players. I'll address my concerns being someone who has played this a bunch of times and what felt -fitting- to my eyes and what did not and just some other points.

[Comfort]
00:02:895 (3,4) - 00:06:228 (1,2) - 00:09:561 (1,2,3) - The last one here has a 1/4 slider and a note, I'm not sure if you did this by accident, or if someone else told you to do this, but its a bit out of place after the last two! Also at the end of the map all 3 times this sound comes up is also the same note + 1/2 slider unlike the case mentioned \o/ Don't care that it's "inconsistent"! \o/ This particular combo is very similar, in noise, to 00:02:895 (3,4,1,2) - , however, in this second iteration, Camellia has a background beat on the 1/4s. This makes the second iteration feel more dense, and by having an extra click that density is made palpable. Later in the map, when there is practically no additional layers whatsoever, the patterns stick to the basic 1/2 slider.
00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - Fort mentioned this jump pattern before, and I do feel as though his point is valid -in a sense- however the justification is also valid. I however propose that each of the notes here are of increasing spacing starting off fairly normal (say 1.5x) and ending at the speed you have, this way the player can adjust easier to the high spacing instead of it coming off suddenly, whilst -still- showing that there will be high spacing as you wish to show here. If you wish to justify it with 00:12:895 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern being high, well this pattern isn't really a good indicator that there will be high spacing later, as it comes off too fast for the player to really notice and it is also a burst jump.
tl;dr make the pattern increasing spacing instead of all high spacing (also it makes it feel more like a "transitional" stage to the next part of the map) Spacing is meant to be spontaneous. The beat itself is very strong, and very abrupt. This track is basically built on "suddenly a new thing!!!", so I don't see why there's a need to "ease" a player into larger spacing rather than simply have it with the music. These seven notes are meant to be more than a transition - they're the map in a nutshell. A smack in the face of energy.
00:17:270 (2,1) - The short slider here is 1/2 but there isn't actually any 1/2 sound here! I very clearly hear 4 1/6 notes, not a 1/4. Something like the ahead screenshot can show a way to add in the 1/6, as it keeps the near-but-not-perfect flow. Not happening. The paired sliders here follow the background wubs, and a similar pattern (both in track and in map) to this occurs later in the map, where Camellia did not have the extremely faint 1/6 roll in the background. You can understand why I don't want to change it to be more dense.
(as addition to above, see 00:23:728 (1,2,3,4,5) - that has same sound but you mapped the 1/6 here) Here, the 1/6 roll is much stronger, while the second wub is much more faint. 00:30:186 (1,1,2) - is another example of the double-wub-instead-of-1/6-choice.
I would LOVE, and I mean LOVE if the 4-note star pattern here 00:17:895 (3,4,5,6,7) - started at this sound 00:17:999 - instead of at 00:18:103 - since 00:17:999 - to 00:18:311 - all share the same kind of sounds and seem like they should be in the same pattern, not starting on a slider end, and should all share a click. If you shift the notes back 1/2 it should work fine, and also allow 00:18:415 (7) - to be emphasised differently since its a more bassy sound that doesn't really fit being in the same pattern as the last 4 sounds. This comes across more as personal preference as far as patterning goes. The pattern used here is slightly off due to one of the star positions being a slider instead of a circle, which is intended, as it splits apart the star pattern into two halves.
00:26:645 - This sound is completely inaudible if there is one, I'd see if you can come up with a change here where this sound is left out as there is no sound here, or least clickable sound. How can you hear the nigh inaudible 1/6 trill on the first double-wub pattern but not hear the clear 1/8 trill here?
00:29:040 (5,6) - Blank- *shot* I'm just jokin with ya, dw about these petty blankets
rest of the mod kinda thrown away in #modhelp

[Extra]
Ok lets get this start consistent just to avoid DQ bait
00:03:728 (2,3,4,5) - and 00:10:395 (5,6,7,8) - should be same spacing the day i need to make these spaced the same is the day i shoot my foot. The first stream upwards is overlapping, the streams afterwards are spaced. For next qualification, I might actually increase the spacing of the first stream i guess.
00:04:978 (1,2,3,4,5) - Both other cases of this sound had way lower spacing so if you want to keep this DS increase it can't be so much higher!
k thats it for there
(00:24:665 (5,6,1,1,2,3,1,1) - someone tell me why I CANT READ THIS hahah i succ)
00:27:895 (1,2,3,4) - Try replacing this with a single 1/6 hold? ugh fucking fine maybe i will
Ok people, take a note here, THIS is how you map true sliders -> 00:36:228 (6) - love it
00:59:665 - Is it just me or is there a sound here? How about making a 1/2 hold at that point instead of 00:59:561 - ? Seems to encapture the hold sound nicer, and you can have 00:59:874 - this sound on the tail! it's... really just you dude, sorry
01:23:311 (1,1) - xd move second slider 5 pixels to the right aesthetics xdxd k

ProfessionalBox wrote:

Red...
The same colour as the thread
Darker than any red thread I've ever seen, just like the color running down my hand
Long beautiful crimson thread
just.. like this

Cherry Blossom wrote:

I can't see the respect anymore, it has disappeared.

dytedy wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

I can't see the respect anymore, it has disappeared.

shiirn can't carry so much hate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bad people means bad education

CDFA wrote:

just rank the map lmao who cares

Shiirn wrote:

D E F E N D E R S
O F
M A P Q U A L I T Y

Cherry Blossom wrote:

I wasn't refering to Shiirn wwww
Just another green name.

Shiirn wrote:

super gay

Arphimigon wrote:

[Tengaku's Insane]
I would try to not ignore 00:38:832 - this sound here, I mentioned this in Shiirn's star pattern afaik. How about a 5 note stream here instead from 00:38:728 - to 00:39:145 - ? did something different, made it two 1/4 sliders
00:46:020 (1,2,3) - Little thing but can ya make the distance between the sliderbody of 1 and 2 a little bigger? Like the distance in the blanket shown ahead. Just looks a little neater is all \o/ ok dad
Love it! Keep it up!

Shiirn wrote:

oh boy here we go

Bear in mind Comfort is fully intended to be FCable by maybe a dozen people, and playable by under a hundred people, passable by a few hundred. I'm very familiar with the capabilities and limits of playstyles and how various types of playstyles interact (including pen grip, tablet area, and tapping styles) and have tried to make this map cater to one specific combination of factors the most but still be playable, if much more challenging, for other styles of play.

Fort wrote:

and the gay post is telling about how shit this map is
LOL

Bold means most questionable thing

Comfort:
AR10 makes it really hard AR10 actually makes it much more comfortable for players of this skill level.
00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - what the meaning for this 288bpm high jumps if you have small spacing for 00:14:978 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1) - patterns? is it really better if you put lower spacing on 00:13:936 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - to make that pattern make senses, probably this pattern just sudden death move which can make people really confused about the jumps and the difference of pattern on next patterning circles+sliders I'm putting emphasis on the seven notes originally, they're independent and untied to any other musical part of the map. They've got extremely large spacing, but the jumps are easier to hit than they appear, depending on tablet area. Larger tablet area players will really struggle with the end of this pattern, and later patterns. Better to get that feeling out of the way early on, these 7 notes instantly "set the tone" for the entire map from that point forward. yeah that's only depending on the tablet area and not for mouse? yeah that jump kinda really unstable with the next pattern with such lower spacing leniency and there is okay if you put some interesting pattern like ascension distance or maybe something same like i say, there is something really sudden in here (especially from reading overlap and unstable jumps at really high BPM map)

00:15:395 (3,4,5,6) - this is really confusing about your first combo and transition doest like easy to read, because yeah on 00:15:395 (3,4) - it was following the melody but you suddenly change 00:15:707 (5,6) - pattern to basic beat patterning which is really questionable for your previous combo patterning and i think it's really better if you swap this pattern 00:15:707 (5,6) - or make 3 circles if you want emphasize 00:15:811 (6) - snare sound on here, but i feel like the previous pattern doesnt following kick and snare at all, it follows melody (and since you map 00:07:895 - with melodical pattern it's really great job if you change this) I have no idea what you're trying to make me do here. The combo follows the piano just fine, with 00:15:811 (6) - filling in the bassline so there isn't a bunch of blank space between 5 and the wub of 00:16:020 (1) - . 7:895 is irrelevant because there is no pattern there and it's a simple filler combo that's flowing downwards. you don't have idea why this is just to make sure you have pretty good patterns at 00:15:707 (5,6) - so the bassline can be hear better when you put the pattern like , just it and the kick hitsound can be placed at slider end and it makes senses for piano patterning

00:16:020 (1,1) - why this should have spam combo? the SV speed almost like same and the rhythm pattern is just only an odd sliders, but i think it will be alright and it will be more fine if you delete that combo This isn't really spam. The new combo is simply to emphasize the wub, and that the slider is going into 1/8 territory. It's, for me, aesthetics. oh i get it

00:16:228 (1,2) - the most confusing thing i can't get it is this is not a new stanza but why you change your own rhythm pattern and swap it to Kick snare basic pattern? which the most thing is an melodical patterning, 00:16:540 - this beat is skipped by a slider end and it doest make this pattern really easy to read, and yeah that's kinda inconsistant between Patterning and Combo too, 00:16:645 (3) - this circle didn't really affecting on the patterns which players are focusing on the melodical pattern (for now this melodical pattern is really strong since you map like that on intro and what so ever) I simply feel like the spacing between 00:16:228 (1,2) - is much more significant than the similar beat pattern beforehand due to it immediately following a wub. This combo is a connector between the two sliders that play for the one-off wub/synth noises that camellia loves to interject into this track. Readability concerns are hard to pin down at AR18 and 288bpm, but I can safely say I don't find many people missing in these transitional areas. yeah people don't miss because it has tried to click that one, but yeah whatever i said, yeah so in 00:16:436 - has a little bass sound, it is really suggested you map that with a slider end, and you can fill the 00:16:540 - with a circle or slider, and make a jump patterning to make song emphasize more emphasized (especially a jump pattern for 00:16:749 (4,1) - ), and looks like that one can make map feel more better, lol im forget to say this thing

00:18:415 (7,1,1,2) - the jumping pattern in here is like hard to believe since that one looks so small distance for strong emphasize like in there, there was really strong melodical patterning in here, but yeah once again you skipped that strong beat for just an low kick sound at this music, yup there is in 00:19:040 - which you didn't map that potential beat and you skip that with a 1/2 slider, it makes the rhythm reading decreasing so much when players focusing to hear melody instead of clicking this 00:19:145 (3) - . and the most hard thing is, 00:19:145 (3) - this pattern has hardly stacked on 0 level (i think) which it makes hard reading pattern reading on AR10 for that random kick slider, not so random but the others can feel that so hard to hit The jumping pattern is fine. 7->1 plays fine and after that is another transitional set of combos. This section is focused on the weird-looking wub/synth sliders, with the other combos being transtions between them that follow beat patterns. I'm not going to be able to make every beat have a click - this map would turn into a fucking nightmare of unplayable goo. 00:19:145 (3) - has no problems being visible. You overestimate AR10's effects on readability. i don't understand where is the wub it's just only the bass and piano (maybe) sound it will be more better if you follow both of them, but yeah if you want follow the bass piano and kick soung, more various right?

00:22:374 (3,4,1) - another questionable thing in here is like on this pattern which it has focusing on melody (especially on 00:22:686 (1,1,2) - yeah that so strong for a nice high spacing jumps, but yeah why don't you make like that? is it a great opportunity to make good emphasize right? and yeah you skipped good beats again and sacrifice it for just a kick sound, that kind is really hard to believe since this only was an 144bpm map and the melody have 288bpm pattern which it has more stronger to follow the melody instead of following basic beats on this beatmap, try make some priority on mapping for this one. See, the thing is, people link a specific combo and mention all the other combos that are inconsistent with it but then forget to notice that there is structure to the chaos. 00:22:061 (1,2,3,4) - follows the same "melody" as 00:15:395 (3,4,5,6) - , and even 00:19:353 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Helpfully, they're all even the same color, as this pattern happens fairly consistently! In the track, sometimes the melody is strongest, sometimes there's a weird camellia-thing where he puts in something much more powerful that I have to map or I feel like I'm ignoring it. These "melody" following combos are the "default" transition between all of the weird craziness the map is otherwise following, and as a very simple offbeat polarizing set of clicks, it works perfectly fine. Modifications of the "default" transition include 00:24:561 (1,2,3,4,5) - (which replaces the last slider with two notes) Yeah this is the better pattern like this but why you didnt map like this before then?, and do i mention this one? oh no because this pattern is really perfect in the song, but seems you put some weird transition on this 288bpm map so yeah it feels like weird transition indeed for some people. and 00:18:728 (1,2,3) - , which sacrifices the click on the end because the bass lasts the entire duration of the slider rather than ending on the middle tick. (The wub, however, still ends at the middle, this is probably why it might look confusing at first glance). that one kinda confusing at first glance but it's okay if you don't want fix this confusion[/color]

00:27:686 (1,2) - it's really better if you make a arrow slider in here and make a kick sliders on 00:27:895 (1) - . it will be make more senses with 00:28:311 (1) - emphasizing speed, and it's a lot readable too I disagree. I like the current click pattern as it allows the "stream" to end as a full 8 notes, while having the buildup 1/8 buzz slider offer a tiny break for any alternating fingers. oh get it.

00:28:624 (2,3,4,5,6,1,1,2,3,4) - yeah same as above, the advantage of the melodical mapping is like you can read the patterns easily without thinking twice since this is an high bpm map which needs more reflects than sightreading, the sightreading chance in here is really low, it's only just for TOP rank players can FC this thing (yeah maybe 1-500 people can sightread this and got FCs) which it can be really abnormal if you play this map. Even though the combo is no longer coincidentally yellow, 00:28:728 (3,4,5,6) - is still the "default" transition combo and happens so often that players can easily tell what's happening. Sightreading is, dare I say, largely irrelevant to my concerns for this map as I would be extremely shocked if anyone were to seriously think this map should be fcable on the first play, which is basically what "sightreading" implies. This isn't a PP map that's built on having the same, extremely simple structure as every other PP map so that players can simply enter autopilot and mash keys and make huge jumps to victory. This map actually requires paying attention and understanding the melody. A player who FCs this map would probably be able to play the entire track in their head, from start to finish, from memory. Most maps, people only ever remember the chorus and maybe a few stanzas of the rest of the track. Routing is different. yeah that's why you forcing players to do your own patterning, not following song as like as a rivers flowing. and yes this isn't a pp map, like for what farming a pp if the map was 288bpm and have this wow patterning? completely a challenge right?

00:30:811 (3,1) - this is about combo which really questionable why you prefer 00:31:228 (1) - as a combo than 00:30:811 (3) - ?, the melodical and some unique sounds really good for 00:30:811 (3) - new combo, and the 00:31:228 (1) - seems didnt feel like it blending with a melody which that circle was a low melody sound (even weaker than 00:31:124 (4) -) and looks like that was a failed combo patterning to executing 00:31:228 (1,2,3,4) - so well (it has massive melodical thing there and it's really offbeats (especially on 00:31:332 (2,3) - + a zero stacking make it really worse to sightread or pattern reading)
well yeah, you know what should you do for that, follow melody will become better and more focused on emphasizing 1 map) I actually agree that (3) should probably have the new combo, for it to be consistent with 00:17:061 (1,2,1) - . The rest of this I have no idea what you're going on about, I don't understand what you're trying to say. okay so you agree with the combo but you don't understand about in 00:31:228 (1,2,3,4) - patterning. okay lemme explain about that, First, 00:31:332 (2,3) - this should be swapped on rhythm because in 00:31:436 (3) - there is no piano sound, there is no bassline sound and there is no kick sound, it's purely blank pattern (the FX sound in there too is really off) yeah what do you need is swap pattern like this http://puu.sh/oNTot/c1cdba9bd7.jpg

00:32:478 (4,5,6,7,1,2) - this pattern is lot more confusing, which one did you follow? are you following both? i think this is not really good for a high BPM map like this which this was an reading error between this patterns 00:32:895 (1,2,3,4) -, 00:32:478 (4) - this slider probably needs to be changed to circles if you didnt want this happen) Ah, but see, 00:32:895 (1,2,3,4) - is, again, that "default" melody combo. [color=#0000FF]okay that default combo seems off for me :/ 4's modification is that it is a full 1/2 slider rather than 1/4 to facilitate (or polarize, if you want to be charles) the following offbeat jump pairs. 00:32:061 (1,2,3,4) - is also the "default" combo and the entire point is that it happens twice, with a 1/6 grind between them, which is why they overlap eachother as well.[/color]

00:33:311 (4,1) - really questionable thing, why you didnt new combo this ending stanza and why did you NC this nonsensational circle 00:33:624 (1) - ? and the most awkward thing in here is like why you map a crazy jumps in such a weak musical rhythm (especially for 00:33:624 (1,2,3) - which it has really blank beats and that one is highly suggested to be changed to a slider). the thing makes really confusing when you skipped this Kick sound 00:33:520 - to a slider end which makes this is really questionable patterning type for all people in here, this is exactly like 00:33:520 - is deserving a clickable object, makes it comfort and makes your patterning more readable The new combo is there because there's no reason to have the new combo on 4, the combo would be too long otherwise, and it'd be really weird to have new combos mid-jumps.[color=#0000FF]but it's exatcly the new stanza which you should re structure your pattern and consider that pattern as a weird one, i have any more reason that 00:33:520 - this timeline should be mapped with a 1/4 slider to make this jumps 00:33:728 (2,3,4,5,6) - make senses, this is theoritically wrong beat patterning but you still keep that blank beat as a new combo which it it makes no sense for everybody who plays? so am i wrong? no man, this is definetely right when i can tell you right strong beat but you ignore it Originally, the 1,2,3,4,5,6 was 1,2,1,2,1,2, but that proved very weird to see. and there is no 12 12 12 jump in there, it's 12 123 if you begin new combo in 00:33:728 (2) - it is following kick sounding and the 00:33:936 (4,5,6) - following piano I wish I could keep it as 1,2,1,2,1,2, but when a BN says change it or they won't push it forward, you're put in a weird spot, aren't you, Fort? The reason the slider ends on a "kick" or "clickable object" is to allow the following offbeat jumps to even be possible - having a click there would depolarize the entire thing and force it to be a singletap pattern. yeah it will help to polarize the jumps but in this bursting jump with alternating, it feels like same if you create some 1/4 slider on that slider end, and it will be neutralize this 00:34:249 (1) - weird landed camellia wub so it will be automatically polarized I assure you, changing 00:33:311 (4,1) - to a 1/4 slider and 2 circles would make this pattern almost impossible to play, rather than simply difficult. the is no impossible thing if you can follow the song properly, Shiirn. Like Apparition one[/color]

00:36:540 (1,1) - the most weird thing i see, the SV change and the rhythm choice is really questionable, because in 00:36:853 - has really big melodical starter to make the 00:37:061 (1) - can be more readable, in this case you're too much pressure player to forcing players get that this sudden SV change without any warning. I don't see the problem here. It's a slow slider with a kink on a beat. This happens literally all the time in many maps. The SV change isn't all that sudden. The ticks clearly slow the slider is slower, the shape is much different than any other slider before it, which makes the player give it a closer look and see the ticks. This happens, yes, at AR10 and is very reliable. Players have a full half a second to notice the ticks, and it happens every single time, without fail. okay i will stop mention that SV, but why you didnt make some circle in 00:36:853 - then? and i think the slider tick replacement isn't enough to make this slider more empasized in this part, create slider or circle on 00:36:853 - will be nice if you considering that

00:39:145 (1,2,3) - it will be better if you put a high jumping pattern for this emphasizing, the music is really needs it and looks like the flow on slider and the distance snapping is really harsh, and the high jump spacing in there makes this pattern more effective for an antijump + ascension pattern I feel like the pattern is more important than the spacing here. As I'm sure you're aware, jumping between sliders has massive leniencies that allow them to be thrown across the screen from eachother without much care. Heck, I was one of the first people to realize that back in 2011. Charles and I threw in a massive slider jump in Solar and found that it played perfectly fine.

Thus, conversely, any emphasis made by using distance between two sliders isn't as strong as it looks. Here, I decided that having a coherent pattern to the clicks was more faithful to the music rather than simply spacing them out.[/color]

00:44:301 (2) - this is not really good as you expected before you create this, think about this one, when you like going to a slow part and then you deal with that sudden overmapped 288bpm stream how'd you feel?, yup that's why you need to remove that stream, and don't make any sudden high density pattern at this part, 1/6 stream is enough for this part This fits the music and isn't overmapped. Weren't you just complaining earlier that I was ignoring beats? :^) But for real, considering how the note is between two sliders that are probably going to be singletapped anyway, this kind of combo is fine as long as the player knows it's there - which they will, because they're not playing this map once, got it? because "slider->circle->slider Z->X-Z" is probably the most basic and easy click combo in existence. I had a 1/8 in Akasagarbha, a 192bpm map, just like this, that was quite good. ( 01:07:901 (2,3,4) - of shiirn's extra in Daxmasterix's map, if you want to see.) please man i don't mentioning the pattern im just tell you about you put sudden 1/8 pattern in slow parts which it's really not enjoyable, okay i understand that is not overmapped but can you think about 00:44:301 (2) - is have a low frequency sound which it has really hard to hear in 100% Playback rate? and this map is 288bpm which you can't easily hear and expecting that beat? and when you put that thing on slow part is that make sense a bit? i think it's just not yet you put that pattern, please consider that one

00:52:686 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - this jump pattern is not easy to read, it is not easy to read. trust me, the patterning on 00:51:853 (1,2,3,4,5) - makes this circle bang shot is like OMG, and the stacking makes it worse to read on AR10, and there is no clue that you can read it with a follow point, yeah this jump even can't be readed so easily with follow point on the map, and 00:53:207 (6,1) - the flow direction on here is make the next pattern aim is worse, like how'd you bursting jump like this 00:53:624 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - ? the back patterning like this kinda makes a big mistakes on the map Follow points aren't necessary for reading . Like I've said a few times here, sightreading isn't an issue I'm going to work on to make perfect because I don't expect this track to be played all of once, or even a dozen times. An FC on this map will take at least 80 tries. I'd be astonished if anyone manages it with under 100, simply because the rhythms are that weird. yeah that's why you should considering it before the players give up to your map by stopping playing this one Since they're going to be playing the map that many times anyway, concerns over sightreadability on the first play should be taken with a grain of salt. With that in mind, this is a fairly simple back-and-forth scaling spacing pattern. Nothing all that weird or unique about it. That entire section can basically be called a "back and forth" section.[/color] yeah i think you right, but it will not fixing this problem with your own action, fix the stacking and make it more readable for people and you can put your back and forth anywhere you want

00:56:020 (3,4,5) - the thing s really confusing again, and about emphasizing the pattern this kinda awkward when you put a high jump pattern at exactly on weak musical rhythm, how suppose this jump can work? well yeah, less distance can make flow really better and good Spacing between the sliders doesn't matter all that much, especially when vertical. If anything, I'm personally more concerned about the placement of 2, but since you didn't mention it I assume you thought it was fine. please man that one kinda bad reason to say "spacing between sliders doesn't matter" okay when you feel the slow part song have ridiculously slider spacing is that no matter? then okay i feel like i want to overmap all things with a high spaced slider because that's no matter in game. please man, no... are you make people forced with that one or what? it's definetely a slow parts, which needs less spacing. the things makes worse when 00:55:915 (2,3) - is exist, why you let people jump like a hardcore for this one? it's a slow part and you put evil jump in here, please protect the innocent

00:58:207 (1) - seems you put wrong stacking, it looks neater if you stack with slider tail + confusion with zero stack reduced I actually kind of like how the last note that finally escapes the "spinning" sliders starts on the start of the slider rather than the end. Gameplay-wise, there's practically no difference, Visually, you can see this slider much more clearly if it comes out of the start rather than the end. I say it's better for it to be visible rather than continue the same pattern simply because it's the same pattern. it's really different when you read a stacking notes, please test that pattern or tell #999 rank player to test that one, it looks really confusing though

01:01:332 (1,2) - it's really better if you not follow the scratch sound yet, please follow finish beat on there first so you can make a nice scratch patterning on 01:01:645 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - looks really bettern and more confident I disagree. I don't know if I actually need to explain my reasoning here as this is purely personal taste related. yeah :/, but atleast my suggestion will make that scratch and the finish sound get blended and you will have both patterning try this one pls http://puu.sh/oNV5B/c403ae617a.png, and the personal taste isn't make the map feel more better, i will told something to you, this is 288bpm map and you need to pay attention more to song, not personal taste

01:04:874 (1) - same problem with my previous thing, and yeah i have same thing in here too 01:07:999 (5,6) - ^ tbh ^tbh

the kiai is most brutal and this is really not a logical thing if you make a difference between Extra and Comfort diff
the most thing is not a logic is an triplet overmapping + excessive jump on it, this overmapped parts can became a severe problem if you going to push forward this beatmap, this causing a really uncomfortable map which it has only forcing players to do your own patterns without take a look at the music it self. hahahaha hearing fort say that makes my day

like on
01:18:520 (1,2,3,4) - the kiai parts it's purely an 1/4 not 1/8, and with the jump flow like that im not sure people can do a good execution for that pattern If you listen closely, there actually is a 1/8 triplet in the music. yeah i know

01:18:520 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the density of this pattern will became not good if you put this thing, it's just a spammed 1/8 triplets, the only you can do is remove them all and change to spaced circle or create a jump 1/4 sliders (if you keep this problem in your mind, 01:19:561 (6,7,1) - this pattern will be a bad anti jump for emphasizing a little kiai thingy They're not spammed - there's two - and they're not overmapped. please man take attention with this map, and how to click that triplet burst with that extreme jump? just change it to 1/4 please, i said please, and as i said 01:18:520 (1,2,3,4) - this jump is really harsh the flow isn't not good for executing the triplet and jump at almost same time, and for this 01:18:936 (1,2,3,4) - the 01:18:936 (1,2,3) - will be better if you put 1/4 jump instead of triplet. why? because it exactly follow the synth and it's really perfect for jump section, but you made some little mistakes on here

01:21:645 (1,2,3) - the most weird rhythm density emphasize, when you decide to skip this very strong melody 01:21:853 - and go overmapped with the black pattern like 01:21:905 (2,3) - and you put crazy hell anti flow pattern on 01:22:270 (5,6,1,2,3) - with overmapping too, please fix this flow direction especially for 01:22:374 (6) - , this is really excessive and too much pressure on 288bpm map, remember 288bpm isn't easy to map with your own style you need to learn how people playing too Again, still not overmapped. The click patterns are fine. Flow is a tool for making boring maps so utterly boring that people zone out while playing them and misinterpret that as "fun" . The spacing and movement are sharp for a reason.[/color] what the reason is then? torment players? or make players get right hand RSI with a mouse? or you want to make people rage quit because of that flow? that one kinda rude for players :< (i said that because this is 288bpm, again this is 288bpm beatmaps, you should realize what are you talking about, much risk for you if you don't understand what i've said before)

01:23:311 (5,1) - basically this is was a simple pattern but there was a mistake on your patterning when you skip 01:23:936 - as a strong rhythm and you put a sudden pattern like that, that can be awkward. like always you need to put a new combo in 01:23:311 (5) -, that's a warning for players which can read a new pattern, and yeah for 01:23:936 - you should map that one because you put a 1/8 pattern on 01:23:311 (5) - and it wasn't nice if you skip that part and change it to slider end. Uhm, no mistake was made. It's a slider that ends on a beat because I want the player to be ready for the 1/8 triple after it - which is extremely apparent. I'm not putting a new combo on 5 because of the slider velocity change because i don't need to. Weird shape -> look at ticks, bam, slider velocity taken care of, without ruining the pattern of the combo.

01:25:395 (1,2,3,4,5) - honestly i can't get what you mean in here, the rhythm change is not readable for that stanza since you follow synth before, it will be better if you put pattern like this

01:28:103 (3,4) - again, why you did this pattern always, you can test it with yourself? that flow is like a pain in 288bpm if you can feel it Not having a click on a big white tick is not an offense to God, it's simply good business. please man, i don't mention about big white tick, your problem is you have anti flow jump which makes it's really hard to aim, the patterning is right but the flow direction is like a pain, atleast you can make a good flow direction example like this 01:27:478 (6,7) -

01:30:915 (5,6,7) - THIS PATTERN IS REALLY OFF AND DOESN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING, even the kick is really off on there, why BNs bubbling this so fast and didn't think about this pattern before? please pay attention to the rhythm you choose for this, and yeas that pattern can be better if you follow the melody like same as you following a melody on 1st kiai you did This follows the offbeat synth. NOT THE VOCALS because the vocals have less power here. Also, fuck off with your BN comment. what? i can't even hear the offbeat synth on my speaker (even with 100% volume with badass surround hell sound) the thing is start in 01:30:915 (5,6) - which the big synth start in 01:31:020 - and you skipped that one!, and you put unnecessary beat on 01:31:124 (6) - which it has big synth again (and kick sound which it makes really off with that slider, ) in 01:31:228 - and you skipped that again with a slider end beat, and yeah it's okay with 01:31:332 (7) - because it follow synth again, please am i wrong with this one huh? i tell every truth i have in here, so im saying the truth on this map is like that. and it's really rude if you forcing players to follow your unnecessary offbeat blalbalba whatever is that.

01:29:978 (1,2,3) - PLEASE THIS IS 1/6 OR EXCATLY LIKE THIS http://puu.sh/oMQq3/dc658349b4.png, there is now way you can pass ranked criteria with a wrong overmapped thing, that must be fixed The voice actually does follow 1/8 here, then cascades into 1/6 and weirder timing signatures. Since I don't want to have a note that goes from white tick to yellow tick to brown tick (seriously, 18 to 1/6?) I put the slider on the blue tick and let the rest of the voice carry on. This is the only way to make this voice trill mappable and I really want the voice mapped here. what are you talking about the voice? this is makes me really confused

01:31:540 (1) - keep in your mind you need to keep your melodical things in here, make this 1/4, after that put circle on 01:31:749 - This follows both the vocals AND the bass, and is one of the few moments where both are in harmony, so you'd best bet your ass I'm gonna follow them for the entire 1/2. yeah i know this slider follows piano and the bass (and what the hell is the voice), but it will be better if you create some circle in 01:31:749 - and make a 1/4 slider in 01:31:853 (2) - and 01:32:061 (4) - and 01:32:270 (6) - so you will have good piano slider patterning, and after that you can change this 01:32:478 (1) - circles which can emphasize scratch sound more fine, it's really better than you put hell crazy jumps in 01:31:853 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -

01:31:853 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - ambigous pattern which has 2 different beat snap in here, it's your choice want to choose 1/6 or 1/4, but in this case the jumps is really excessive and the musical pattern is not really supporting for jump like this (yeah right, i'd better do some lower spacing or creating a 1/4 slider to follow synth more better and put a high distance circle jump at 01:32:478 (1,2,3) -, that's is definitely will become better that your pattern now) Because of the weird ass 1/6 and 1/8 in this section, I stuck to a technique you're extremely familiar with - ignoring the more background elements and mapping the bassline. It helps that a small jump section also fits here! ^ i can mention some related thing up there

the rest looks okay, and the ending is like a copy pasta with intro but whatever maybe it just me that.... was intended. lol

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to list out my reasoning for most of the map! This might save time in the future, as I can simply point them here over similar concerns people may have.

Shiirn wrote:

I'm not going to turn this thread into a big argument between me and Fort. I've addressed the concerns brought up in his mod, I am not going to get into a pointless back-and-forth over concepts we clearly disagree with at a basic level. He is not "the community" and people et al need to understand that just because they disagree, it doesn't mean that I'm doing something wrong.

I don't think it's against any rule to have a pattern structured around a specific playstyle. Routing is not as polarizingly different as a Touchscreen map, it's still theoretically possible with a mouse, just very hard. I have much more experience making really hard maps that appeal to various types of difficulty that this game can apply. I'm sorry, Fort, but you're only familiar with making overspaced, very basic rhythms. That's only one tiny aspect of what can make this hard. It's also coincidentally the type of challenge that gives the most PP. Coincidence...? honestly i create many beatmaps, i create 280bpm maps too if you want it click this, and im not creating any pp maps, i create a complex beatmap too like this so yeah much maps i can build

This isn't my first time making "zomg hardstm ap EVAR!!!!", nor do I intend it to be hardest map EVAR, it's simply appealing to a certain set of challenges, like every other map I've made.

Shiirn wrote:

I'm am weird.

Shiirn wrote:

I'm kind of weird.