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Slain087
Cirno would be proud.
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Loginer
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Slain087

Loginer wrote:

Also, someone must hack Brawl/Melee. Custom-made characters would own. :D
In fact, if Sakurai decides to release a new Smash within the next 20 or so years... <.<
If that happens, I bet someone will put in Sakuya. Then her Final Smash will be "ZA WARUDO!!!" Maybe Reimu and Fantasy Heaven, SWR style. Marisa and Final Spark. Yukari and think big ******* train, but it constantly covers the ground on the battlefield, hence on Final Destination, you will get hit by it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
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Loginer

Slain087 wrote:

Loginer wrote:

Also, someone must hack Brawl/Melee. Custom-made characters would own. :D
In fact, if Sakurai decides to release a new Smash within the next 20 or so years... <.<
If that happens, I bet someone will put in Sakuya. Then her Final Smash will be "ZA WARUDO!!!" Maybe Reimu and Fantasy Heaven, SWR style. Marisa and Final Spark. Yukari and think big ******* train, but it constantly covers the ground on the battlefield, hence on Final Destination, you will get hit by it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Looks like they're on their way.
Slain087

Loginer wrote:

Slain087 wrote:

Loginer wrote:

Also, someone must hack Brawl/Melee. Custom-made characters would own. :D
In fact, if Sakurai decides to release a new Smash within the next 20 or so years... <.<
If that happens, I bet someone will put in Sakuya. Then her Final Smash will be "ZA WARUDO!!!" Maybe Reimu and Fantasy Heaven, SWR style. Marisa and Final Spark. Yukari and think big ******* train, but it constantly covers the ground on the battlefield, hence on Final Destination, you will get hit by it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Looks like they're on their way.
Meh, those are just palette-swaps. Awesome though.

On a different topic, I wonder how ZUN manages to make even his songs hell to play (on piano, anyway).
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Loginer

Slain087 wrote:

Loginer wrote:

Slain087 wrote:

If that happens, I bet someone will put in Sakuya. Then her Final Smash will be "ZA WARUDO!!!" Maybe Reimu and Fantasy Heaven, SWR style. Marisa and Final Spark. Yukari and think big ******* train, but it constantly covers the ground on the battlefield, hence on Final Destination, you will get hit by it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Looks like they're on their way.
Meh, those are just palette-swaps. Awesome though.
Learn to look. Those are texture-swaps. <.<"
Neo@lex
When ZUN doesn't use composer applications, he usually has a team of performers to help him out.
Slain087
Randomness: Hit list of enemies I want to die in a fire.

Sakuya Izayoi (Her EoSD version... she's okay anywhere else)
Yuyuko Saigyouji (PCB version... I can only cap one card [even on Easy] after so many attempts that I can no-miss Youmu midboss without trouble)
Shikieiki Yamaxanadu (Fuck your walls of death)
Aya Shamiearu (Fuck you and your ability to give even nine-ball a killing attack - also, you disgrace Stage 4 by not having a Marisa variant)
Kanako Moriya (Fuck your second-to-last Spell Card)
That oni in SA (Fuck your persistence and your wtf cards) I'm fine with this one now.
Reimu Hakurei (Fuck your low attack power. I don't care if you have homing abilities to compensate, at least make it so that it doesn't take all but one second to kill something)
KonXII

Slain087 wrote:

Randomness: Hit list of enemies I want to die in a fire.

Sakuya Izayoi (Her EoSD version... she's okay anywhere else)
Yuyuko Saigyouji (PCB version... I can only cap one card [even on Easy] after so many attempts that I can no-miss Youmu midboss without trouble)
Shikieiki Yamaxanadu (Fuck your walls of death)
Aya Shamiearu (Fuck you and your ability to give even nine-ball a killing attack - also, you disgrace Stage 4 by not having a Marisa variant)
Kanako Moriya (Fuck your second-to-last Spell Card)
That oni in SA (Fuck your persistence and your wtf cards)
Reimu Hakurei (Fuck your low attack power. I don't care if you have homing abilities to compensate, at least make it so that it doesn't take all but one second to kill something)
I agree with you on Kanako, also add Yukari in SWR if you play Remilia's storyline and Eirin for her last spell-card.
Slain087
At least Hourai Elixer's a Last Spell - you don't have to clear it.

I would have put the Extra bosses in that list, but seeing as how I haven't even got to any of them (except "just as Ranned" and Hourai Doll), I can't give information without knowing how they fight compared to me. Which, admittedly, is far better than me, seeing as how they're supposed to be equivalent to Hard Mode, and I can only master Easy.

I hate PoFV Extra now. Marisa and Yuka seem to be tailor-made to annihilate Komachi's life. I shudder to think how hard it would be if I had to do it with Cirno.
Neo@lex
SA's out. suppositories not included. Comes with a 1980's phone, 8 dolls, and a...cat(?).

No replay yet, since I can't get to the epic without retrying.
Slain087
How long do you think it will be until someone puts out an Extra mode replay?
Neo@lex
Imo....
A long time.
Also IMA FIRIN MAH TRIANGLES.
Slain087
The Stage 4 boss lives up to expectations, unlike Aya. My thoughts when I was facing her:
"Holy shit, this is the second coming of Marisa."
"Did she just pull an opticamo moment?!"
"How does she have Nitori's moves?!"

Also, fuck you cleaver girl who can turn into a cat. This is almost as embarrassing as running to the POC with nothing there.

EDIT: Apparently the catgirl is pushing a cat cart. Damn thing still looks like a cleaver to me...

Bwahhh....
Neo@lex
oooooooooh, so she IS the cat...
Also, there's a spell card that has a photo of a ginger cat in the background.
If I see it, I'll screenshot it.
Slain087
Bloody 'effin hell, [Final Boss]. What made you think that Gensokyo was able to sustain nuclear freakin' fusion?!

This is with ReimuA, so go and see Stage 4 again to see the thief in action again.

1cc! woo! Damn replay bug. I somehow suicide on one of her first attacks on the replay, despite the obvious discrepancy in score and Clear.

Props to ZUN for giving the final boss a unique effect (and a second-to-last Spell Card that isn't utterly unfair/hard/etc., even on Easy).

Also, fuck you Kanako/Sanae for giving her the damn idea in the first place.

EDIT: A (working) Stage 6 replay.
Download: th11_udSLRA6.osu

And a comic I thought was funny.
Slain087
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Neo@lex
I've been playing a lot while I didn't have the internet (for like 2 weeks), but I can't be bothered to save replays each time. Once I get a good one I'll post it.
Also <3 Orin, I think I've found my next Phantasmagoria main, although apparently that's not gonna be until at least Touhou 13...
ZUN should make moar Touhou and HIRE SOME GOD DAMN ARTISTS.
AlchemistKeiko
The only game I can clear is Phantasmagoria of Flower View...on Easy.

I'm trying to clear Imperishable Night on Normal as Marissa/Alice.
(Btw, anyone care to netplay on Scarlet Weather Rhapsody?)

Download: Titan - Strength and Fury (adron zhero) [TheVileOne's Hard].osu
Mafiamaster

AlchemistKeiko wrote:

The only game I can clear is Phantasmagoria of Flower View...on Easy.

I'm trying to clear Imperishable Night on Normal as Marissa/Alice.
(Btw, anyone care to netplay on Scarlet Weather Rhapsody?)

Oo, I've always wanted to play online with someone on SWR! I've started like August 25 or sometime around there so I might be a little noobish. :P
Slain087
*lots of loud yelling*

Whooo!!!! IN Extra, clear! Even got Imperishable Shooting unlocked!
Download: th8_udSLRE.osu


Oh... and a replay with MariAli in Normal Mode, what, ten minutes before the above?
Download: th8_udSLNM.osu

AlchemistKeiko

Mafiamaster wrote:

AlchemistKeiko wrote:

The only game I can clear is Phantasmagoria of Flower View...on Easy.

I'm trying to clear Imperishable Night on Normal as Marissa/Alice.
(Btw, anyone care to netplay on Scarlet Weather Rhapsody?)

Oo, I've always wanted to play online with someone on SWR! I've started like August 25 or sometime around there so I might be a little noobish. :P
I got it two days ago though. I know SOME of the gameplay, but I just fail at most fighting games XB
Mafiamaster

AlchemistKeiko wrote:

Mafiamaster wrote:

AlchemistKeiko wrote:

The only game I can clear is Phantasmagoria of Flower View...on Easy.

I'm trying to clear Imperishable Night on Normal as Marissa/Alice.
(Btw, anyone care to netplay on Scarlet Weather Rhapsody?)

Oo, I've always wanted to play online with someone on SWR! I've started like August 25 or sometime around there so I might be a little noobish. :P
I got it two days ago though. I know SOME of the gameplay, but I just fail at most fighting games XB

Haha nice, hope you get better! We should totally play against each other sometime (if you have Hamachi)!! :D
Got some kind of MSN or something to chat with?
AlchemistKeiko

Mafiamaster wrote:

Haha nice, hope you get better! We should totally play against each other sometime (if you have Hamachi)!! :D
Got some kind of MSN or something to chat with?
Why yes I do! I got lazy in adding my AIM/MSN junk in my profile XD
Slain087
Maybe we should have a small SWR tourney sometime... Me, Mafiamaster, AlchemistKeiko, James, neo@lex, and whoever else. I'm on at odd times, though, so that might be a problem.

Apparently clearing Extra for one game doesn't help at all for anything else. Normal still kicks my ass.
Mafiamaster

Slain087 wrote:

Maybe we should have a small SWR tourney sometime... Me, Mafiamaster, AlchemistKeiko, James, neo@lex, and whoever else. I'm on at odd times, though, so that might be a problem.

Apparently clearing Extra for one game doesn't help at all for anything else. Normal still kicks my ass.

That would be really awesome. :) Lol
Neo@lex
All that stuff aside, Add me for lulz.
91.108.111.210:10800

Download: Nico Nico Douga - Nico Medley 2009 (Sweyax) [Marathon+paté].osu
Slain087
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Xiao_old
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Slain087
To each their own. I keep screwing up when it comes to maneuvering in IaMP, so I just play SWR instead.

And I managed yet another 1cc, this time PCB Easy. I had a messy death in Alice's stage, a bunch of deaths against Youmu, and I still can't deathbomb easily. I almost beat Resurrection Butterfly, too.... Damn it.
Download: th7_udSLRe.osu

*Yells incoherently*
Download: th6_udSL87.osu


...I think I've 1cced each Windows installment on Easy now.

SBKT
Jeez, I should update my collections. I got 1 - 10. IamP included. I need the two new ones, it seems?

My favourite is Perfect Cherry Blossom though.
AlchemistKeiko
You know...I never did figure out how to netplay on SWR. I've got the gist of the gameplay...kinda. (I gotta get more cards for Youmu...)

EDIT: I KINDA figured out netplay. IP(?): 5.254.19.66 (I don't know where to find my real IP)
Slain087
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Neo@lex
SA on easy = PoFV on lunatic.
I FINALLY managed to get through stage 6, with some EPIC grazing, since god saw pity and started up cubedesktop and my screensaver in the background, lowering my framerate to just over 9000.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=1249
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=1250

Keep watching this space, I'll post some yukkuri in a few days.
SBKT
Would anyone have the SWF of Happy Flame Time - Yakumo De Popon's Ending handy? I love that thing and can't seem tofind it.
Neo@lex
I'm pretty sure it's either a part of the original or a protected download.
Link for those who haven't seen it.
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Loginer

neo@lex wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's either a part of the original or a protected download.
Link for those who haven't seen it.
What the hell did I just watch?
Neo@lex
If you clicked the link, you just watched a flash cartoon.
If you didn't, you probably just watched a Hentai involving two girls being decapitated and raped by their severed arms.
Xiao_old
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Slain087
Do you guys think ZUN is going to have a four seasons stint? I mean, we've already gone through autumn, winter, and spring in the last three games. I remember IN not occurring until December, so maybe Touhou 12 will have a summer theme? Hopefully get Reimu un-zombified?

On another note, I've seen a few replays that have Icicle Fall -Easy- moments in SA. Orin's Stage 6 card seems to have a weak spot near her.
Slain087
Damn it, I was literally one second away from unlocking the last card I needed to obtain that Last Word. DAMN IT!! Kaguya gets 10 Master Sparks to the face next time I face her.
James
i still dont know how to use that netplay thing in swr =(
SBKT
I dunno where to get that. Apparently I'm still missing two games. I'm busy trying to find the cut up Ending from Yakumo De Pon still.
Mafiamaster

James wrote:

i still dont know how to use that netplay thing in swr =(
To host: Click the first option in network play. Default port is 10800.
To join: You type in the person's ip address in the second option of network play. They have to be hosting before you try to join.
A program called Hamachi is good for finding players who play these games (kinda). It shows an ip address beside their name.

I think I have a problem though, I tried to netplay with AlchemistKeiko but it always times out, same thing happened with another person yesterday even though we had the same version. :cry:

Edit: Oh cool, I actually got to play with somebody today! XD
Maybe because I disabled my firewall >.>
Slain087
(Insert MGS "!" sound here)


IaMP actually has an English patch now! Man.
James
msg me in irc if you want to play with me, im not good though + dunno if my net is good enough too
Slain087
I've always found it interesting that higher difficulties basically require one to move closer to the boss, rather than farther away. It seems backwards, in a sense.

Also: Stage 6 SA:
Orin's Spell Card has a weak spot approximately ten pixels square away from her sprite, where one may stay for the entire duration without being hit. Even on Lunatic. There's also an Apollo 13 moment with Utsuho. One of her normal attacks can be dodged by going into that sphere she's holding. Granted, the extra Graze is essentially not worth it anymore due to the lack of Points to use it on, but it's still interesting.
Zatoichi
Tewi's the best female.

Prove me wrong.

Oh wait, you can't.
SBKT

Zatoichi wrote:

Tewi's the best female.

Prove me wrong.

Oh wait, you can't.
I can.

Just about everyone has something on her besides looking young.

Suika can rip apart a goddamn MOUNTAIN. WITH HER HANDS. Tewi could... rip paper.
Slain087
And let's face it, her power is only useful if you can catch her. Even if you can, you'll immediately use it on escaping from the Bamboo Forest. So it's fairly useless (why the hell did you get lost in the first place!?), and pretty much relegates Tei to Lily White territory. And even that's dubious, as Mokou can do the exact same job, and she isn't a Komachi-level slacker.

Sorry, but bunny girls don't get any extra points from me.


Also, has anyone taken count of how many Touhou-based beatmaps we have on here, compared to other series?
Neo@lex
Reisen>Tewi, since DundududunDundundududunDundundududunDundundundun is extremely repetitive. Dun Dun Dun Dundun Dundundundunduuuuun ftw.

!search IOSYS
<insert results here, excluding FOE>
!search ZUN
<insert results here>
There you go, slain.
Mafiamaster
Isn't Silver Forest also a type of Touhou thing?
Slain087
Yeah, which is why I asked. IOSYS isn't the only doujin group that does Touhou music.
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Topic Starter
Loginer

luckydog wrote:

Not very good at them unfortunately, mainly because I get motion sickness playing them.
...No comment.
SBKT

Loginer wrote:

luckydog wrote:

Not very good at them unfortunately, mainly because I get motion sickness playing them.
...No comment.
Well, have you seen the things? My mother gets motion sickness easy, I made her watch me play Imperishable Night on lunatic. FUN STUFF. She did get sick.

In which case that severely limits the games. Some puzzles are even out.

luckydog_old
I still play them. They just give me really bad headaches if the backgrounds moving in a different direction to the bullets. Which means that imperishable night, which is my favourite, hurts me a lot.
Slain087
Yeesh. Seriously, if it's hurting you that much, don't play it. I don't know if there's an option to remove the background entirely, but if there isn't, you're just going to take yourself out like that.

In other news, I've finally cleared Hourai Doll. I still can't clear Possessed By Phoenix due to the blue arrows, though. And EX-Keine's first card is still killer for me, although I can manage to dodge two whole waves.

And I need to figure out how to 1cc Normal and survive the entirety of Kaguya's Imperishable assault. Maybe if I go with the Netherworld team... Then I just have to dodge Tei and Marisa. That, and remember to dodge against Reisen.
luckydog_old
Yeah, the 4-5 hour long headaches have stopped me playing for a while. I'm okay at most shmups, but Touhou seems to always best me
SBKT

luckydog wrote:

Yeah, the 4-5 hour long headaches have stopped me playing for a while. I'm okay at most shmups, but Touhou seems to always best me
You might want to look into some of the platform shooters for a bit then. There's some maddening touhou fan platformers like Megamari, I know.
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Zatoichi

SBKT wrote:

My mother gets motion sickness easy, I made her watch me play Imperishable Night on lunatic. FUN STUFF. She did get sick.
Why were you letting your mom watch you shoot rabbits?
luckydog_old
Yeah I've been told about them. My friend can get them for me. Shoot the bullet was too much though, but that's because I never read instruction manuals.

I've gotten all my games for free off friends
SBKT
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Mafiamaster
Anyone think it's possible to hold every Touhou related song on a 2 GB iPod because I just started. :P
Neo@lex

Mafiamaster wrote:

Anyone think it's possible to hold every Touhou related song on a 2 GB iPod because I just started. :P
Not a miko's chance in Gensokyo.
Rips alone >1.5gb
IOSYS >2-3gb
Other stuff >9tb.
Mafiamaster
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Loginer

neo@lex wrote:

Mafiamaster wrote:

Anyone think it's possible to hold every Touhou related song on a 2 GB iPod because I just started. :P
Not a miko's chance in Gensokyo.
Rips alone >1.5gb
IOSYS >2-3gb
Other stuff >9tb.
You fail at compression.
Slain087
Pro tip: Lossless music. Don't, unless you absolutely love trying to hear things you can't, or you have a 120G sized player.

But I agree with neo@lex's assessment. You don't have a night sparrow's chance at not getting eaten by Yuyuko at getting all of the songs on a 2 GB pod.

*wanders off, humming "Pray" by IOSYS*

*Comes back 2 days later*

Damn, Tenshi. That has to hurt.

*Comes back even later*

lol Marisa.
Mafiamaster
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Slain087
...It's been too long for me to remember. I think it was either the Border of Death video or the IN Extra clear.

And I really have to learn to deathbomb if it even looks like I'm going to be hit. I rarely think that I'm going to be hit until I actually am.
SBKT
A friend named ridley4 told me. I think he died in one of the hurricanes or something. He loved pretending to be reisen (lolwtf) and had red colourchanging contacts. I told him he was nuts, he showed me the games.

Also, SA won't install correctly. I'm getting pissed.
Slain087
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Topic Starter
Loginer

Slain087 wrote:

If you're using the Vista OS, then I think you have the same problem I had. If you have them on for some reason, kill the... what's that called...
UAC, and no one should have that horrible thing enabled.

Mafiamaster wrote:

So how did each of you find out about the Touhou Project and the like.
Saw a video of a Touhou game on YouTube. Got interested, downloaded it.
Neo@lex
I found out about Touhou from watching a crapload of youtube videos, then I saw Rolled's Max Forever storyboard and decided to find out who the fuck Alice was.
Then I downloaded IN and I was like "Fuck this weaboo trash", then I got to Reisen and I made the mistake of staring at her eyes for a long period of time.
Then I was like :awesome:.
SBKT

Slain087 wrote:

SBKT wrote:

Also, SA won't install correctly. I'm getting pissed.
If you're using the Vista OS, then I think you have the same problem I had. If you have them on for some reason, kill the... what's that called... the thing that brings up the dark screen and a prompt. Kill that, and you should be fine. If it's already killed, or you aren't using Vista... I dunno.

I wonder what would happen if Utsuho fought Reisen. Solar power vs. Lunar power.
No, I'm not an idiot.

Vista blows, end of discussion.
Slain087
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Download: th8_udSL87MAU.osu
Neo@lex
FINALLY, A GOOD TOUHOU ON THE DS!

SBKT wrote:

Vista blows, end of discussion.
Vista>Everything else, so no it doesn't. End of end of discussion.
Nekorom

neo@lex wrote:

FINALLY, A GOOD TOUHOU ON THE DS!

SBKT wrote:

Vista blows, end of discussion.
Vista>Everything else, so no it doesn't. End of end of discussion.
can you explain to me how to put it in your flashcard because every time i try booting it up the screen just turns black :cry:

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Loginer
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Mafiamaster

Slain087 wrote:

If you've been downloading these all this time, you should know the drill - .osu to .rpy
How do I change the .osu file into a .rpy file?
Slain087

Mafiamaster wrote:

Slain087 wrote:

If you've been downloading these all this time, you should know the drill - .osu to .rpy
How do I change the .osu file into a .rpy file?
Right-click the file, click "Rename," then highlight "osu" then type "rpy" in its place.
Mafiamaster
O I C! I find it funny when I play your replay, it shows you running right into a boss or just plain going straight for the bullet and losing a life. The first few minutes are good, but after that, it was just random. Even you were moving around when the people were talking, just... wandering.. around... all up in the top right corner and going back to the bottom and then to the other side. LOL! :lol:
Slain087
...That's not supposed to happen. Bugged replay maybe?

Try taking out the MAU from the filename then trying again. Or getting a different version.

And make sure the line you get it to shows this:

(if you're keeping it as a user replay)

User Sol 10/09 Marisa Easy

and then the next screen should be:

Slow Rate: 0.945%

Stage 1 38992920
Stage 2 151208420
Stage 3 361786680
Stage 4A 670654880
Stage 4B ------
Stage 5 1005251980
Stage 6A 1448071750
Stage 6B ------
Stage EX ------
Slain087
I just recently unlocked EoSD's Extra Stage, and Patchy and Flandre are kicking my ass. I need to figure out how to clear Taboo "Lavatein," quick.

EDIT: Recent fail at Extra. Watch me very nearly clear Royal Flare and clear Cranberry Trap, and partially figure out Lavatein.

EDIT2: More recent fail at Extra. I make a metric ton of mistakes here - some easily avoided.

Download: th6_02.osu

Download: th6_udSLEX.osu
Mafiamaster
OoOo, I should download EoSD later on. Do you think it's easier than IN? (or harder? O_o;)
Slain087
I'd say harder, because of two things: 1) You can't see your hitbox at all, and 2) deathbombing is near impossible if you try it like you would in IN. The bullet patterns are the easiest, though, so if you can handle those two points, it becomes easier.
Pokebis
I just played Perfect Cherry Blossom for the first time... two words...
HOLY SHIT
I sort of expected it to be harder, actually, (I play lots of challenge games) so it wasn't all that hard to me, but I've never played anything like it. It gives me some feeling I've never experienced before. I'd say it's awesome. but I'm already awesome. I also love the background music as it puts me in the mood to carefully weave through the bullets. I love this game. I do wish the newer ones weren't so big though, my isp sucks and it takes me like to hours to grab one whilst doing nothing else on teh interwebz.
Slain087

Pokebis wrote:

stuff
So, did you 1cc it yet?
Pokebis

Slain087 wrote:

Pokebis wrote:

stuff
So, did you 1cc it yet?
No :oops:
Slain087
In random news, I wonder why EoSD runs faster on my older XP desktop than it does on my Vista laptop. Also, I really need to figure out a pattern I can follow so I can cap Sun Sign "Royal Flare".

That and figure out how to 1cc EoSD and PCB with standard lives.
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asiaclonk
Oh well, cleared easy from th6-11 and normal on PCB (omg my only normal 1CC) but its impossible for me for the other games :I
and also, i bombed pretty much everywhere in the bossfights x)

Download: th7_03.zip
Slain087
Remi is slightly easier if you've fought other Touhou final bosses - they stole methods of attack from her. Her first non-card? Eirin's Revival "Game of Life". Her last non-card? Kanako's last non-card (even going as far as including the invulnerable phases). Heaven's Punishment "Star of David"? Basically similar to Eirin's Awakened God "Memories of a Legendary Age".
Mafiamaster
Wow, maybe I should memorize the spell card names, cuz I have no idea what those are. xD
Pokebis

Loginer wrote:

Then you can't complain about the difficulty. BTW, was it on Easy?
No
Slain087
I don't know how anyone can 1cc EoSD with ReimuA. She deals so little damage, she's slow as hell, and Fantasy Orb outright sucks if you don't need duration.
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Loginer
Well, that's a relief. Who would you recommend?
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