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Nwolf
cause my 1-line posts get ignored (probably would've done that myself lel)

[TK'S Inner Oni]

I would like to hear explanations for why all your 1/6 are 1/6? None of the sounds is actually 1/6 and they also cause inconsistency in a quite consistent and solid map:

00:23:690 (178,179,180,181) - This sound goes until 00:24:065 - actually. It doesn't increase until here, but it last until here. Additionally you find this 00:31:690 - here and 00:32:940 - here. But those aren't 1/6. (Note this is the least disturbing 1/6 in the map because quite honestly in those two last spots it would have played awfully so it makes sense that it's not consistent).

01:17:190 (113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120) - 01:20:315 (150,151,152,153) - These are the other 1/6. These too are also just quarter notes that change their pitch but they are not even 1/4 (and yes the rest isn't neither). What happens in the kiai is, that spots like 01:19:940 - are not mapped as 1/6 though, for no reason. And actually /all/ voice samples should be mapped as 1/6 because nothing is different between them.

01:21:815 (167,168,169,170) - This 1/6 also should not exist as the song gives very clear 1/4 here, like in many other spots (01:16:315 - to name one xample). Same with 01:37:815 (350,351,352,353) - , that's clear 1/4, what is different about it from other 1/4 sounds in the song?


also more stuff below:

00:35:440 (287) - Could try kat on this to have the melody like 00:34:940 (283,284,286) - , I don't think the melody going down should change this to a don. Makes a clearer difference.
If applied, obviously change 00:37:440 (305) - 00:39:440 (324) - 00:41:440 (342) -
00:43:440 (363,364) - Same as above, but it's probably better to change these two notes instead of just the first one..

00:59:565 (6,7) - I think you could delete these notes so melody AND drums are emphasized better 00:59:440 (5,8) - here (01:01:565 - there is no note here either)
01:01:815 (17) - Also delete if done above
01:03:814 (28) - ^
01:10:815 (67,68,69) - Suddenly playing against melody ugh. 01:10:815 (67) - Flows pretty badly with the big note before and the hi-hat rhythm does not start here, so you could delete this. 01:11:440 - Maybe add a don here to follow the melody more?
01:38:190 (355,356,357,358,359,360,361) - You should REALLY consider toning this down a little bit because this is pretty calm compared to the rest of the kiai, yet it's a long 1/4! 01:38:252 (356,360,361) - I'd suggest to remove these three notes. You are pretty much forcing density here.

01:42:690 - Generally I find this stream okay, what disturbs me is that I think that there should be a few cuts (like 01:43:002 (415) - 01:43:502 (423) - 01:44:002 (431) - 01:44:502 (439) - ) so that the final part starting 01:44:690 - here gets more attention.


Otherwise nice map


Good luck
tasuke912
Hi.
少し気になったところとちょっとした提案だけ

[ General]
  1. 00:58:690 - Kantan~Oni: ここからのパートではキックなどの音が増え、曲全体の音量も上がっているのでhitsoundも多少上げた方が安全です。(55%~)
[ Kantan]
  1. 00:45:190 (5) - Remove. ここだけx---x-x-x---xxxのパターンから外れている上に配色も単色ではなくなっているので難易度面のギャップが目立ちます。
  2. 00:58:690 - 今のパターンでも音の拾い方は一貫しているので問題は無いのですが、静かなパートの割にリズムが取りにくいかなあ、という印象も少なからず。個人的には強拍のクラップを拾ってリズムの安定化を図りたいところ。
[ Futsuu]
  1. SV1.2. 1/2パターンの見た目密度がかなり高くて見づらいです。スクロール速度は上がりますが240程度のbpmなら1.2, 1.3でも許容範囲です。
  2. 00:58:690 - ここからのパートですがKantanとは違いこのdiffではクラップ音もフォローしているので(00:59:940 (3,4) - )、一貫性の為に00:59:065 (2) - の位置にあるノートをそれぞれ1/2右に移動+kに変更してみてください。音は変わりますが次のパートにある01:07:190 (20,25) - との統一感も多少上がります。
  3. 01:17:315 (11) - なんか音から外れている感じが,,, 1/2tick 右に移動?
  4. 01:25:315 (12) - ^
[ Muzukashii]
  1. SV1.3. Futsuu同様に1/2sがかなり詰まり気味で見づらいです。
  2. 00:30:315 (14) - キック音が無いのでkkkでも良い気がします。全体的に単色のtripletがかなり少ないし
  3. 00:47:315 (4,5,8,9) - 提案、主旋律合わせでdkにしてみてはどうでしょう。kd 4回繰り返すよりは面白味が出る気がします。
  4. 01:25:440 - ノートが無いのは仕様?1st kiai前半と同じように追加
  5. 01:44:565 (1) - 前の1/2ストリームがキック寄りなのでドゥルルルルルルの合わせてスピナー開始地点を1/2後ろに移動しても良いと思います。Oniと同じくスライダーでも良いかも
[ Oni]
  1. bpmも高めで譜面も上級者向きなのでOD6.0で良い気がします。
  2. 00:46:690 - dkkdkkdの方がよりキック音を目立たせられるような気がします。
  3. 01:16:315 (14,15,16,17,18) - kkk-k-d? 1st kiaiパートでddkに偏り気味なので。場所はここじゃなくても良いのでもう少しddk以外のtripletの割合を増やすことも考えてみてください。
[ Inner Oni]
  1. 今のOniのOD推奨値は6~7なので、BPM高い+かなり難しめのこの譜面には7.0を設定しても大丈夫です。
  2. 00:23:690 - 1/6の影響でここからのパートの密度が曲調に対してかなり高いです。1/6自体の問題は無いのですが、他のノート何個か間引いて密度のバランスを整えた方が良いかもしれません。
  3. 01:17:127 (112) - こっちは局所的に密度が上がっています。このノートを削除することで密度のバランスの調整が出来るほか、次の1/6を叩きやすくことにもつながります。1/6自体は上と同様に問題ありません
  4. 01:25:127 (202) - ^
nominatorは既に集まってますがもし必要があったら呼んでください
good luck~ :D
Topic Starter
JUDYDANNY

tasuke912 wrote:

Hi.
少し気になったところとちょっとした提案だけ

[ General]
  1. 00:58:690 - Kantan~Oni: ここからのパートではキックなどの音が増え、曲全体の音量も上がっているのでhitsoundも多少上げた方が安全です。(55%~)
    :arrow: fixed 55%.
[ Kantan]
  1. 00:45:190 (5) - Remove. ここだけx---x-x-x---xxxのパターンから外れている上に配色も単色ではなくなっているので難易度面のギャップが目立ちます。
    :arrow: fixed.
  2. 00:58:690 - 今のパターンでも音の拾い方は一貫しているので問題は無いのですが、静かなパートの割にリズムが取りにくいかなあ、という印象も少なからず。個人的には強拍のクラップを拾ってリズムの安定化を図りたいところ。
    :arrow: 単純にSRの問題... 1.51以上keepでこれ以上に綺麗な形思いつきません no change.
[ Futsuu]
  1. SV1.2. 1/2パターンの見た目密度がかなり高くて見づらいです。スクロール速度は上がりますが240程度のbpmなら1.2, 1.3でも許容範囲です。
    :arrow: 1.1https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4818669
    1.2https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4818662
    2/1の部分も多いから叩いたときに見える音がまだ後ろの方にいるので見た目の速度差がかなり出ちゃうと思います。keepで

  2. 00:58:690 - ここからのパートですがKantanとは違いこのdiffではクラップ音もフォローしているので(00:59:940 (3,4) - )、一貫性の為に00:59:065 (2) - の位置にあるノートをそれぞれ1/2右に移動+kに変更してみてください。音は変わりますが次のパートにある01:07:190 (20,25) - との統一感も多少上がります。
    :arrow: 00:23:190 - ここと同じでは...
  3. 01:17:315 (11) - なんか音から外れている感じが,,, 1/2tick 右に移動?
    :arrow: うーん... no change.
  4. 01:25:315 (12) - ^ :arrow: ^
[ Muzukashii]
  1. SV1.3. Futsuu同様に1/2sがかなり詰まり気味で見づらいです。 :arrow: Muzuはfixed.
  2. 00:30:315 (14) - キック音が無いのでkkkでも良い気がします。全体的に単色のtripletがかなり少ないし :arrow: ok
  3. 00:47:315 (4,5,8,9) - 提案、主旋律合わせでdkにしてみてはどうでしょう。kd 4回繰り返すよりは面白味が出る気がします。 :arrow: ok, I'll try them.
  4. 01:25:440 - ノートが無いのは仕様?1st kiai前半と同じように追加 :arrow:仕様です、たぶんどっかのミスです。fixed.
  5. 01:44:565 (1) - 前の1/2ストリームがキック寄りなのでドゥルルルルルルの合わせてスピナー開始地点を1/2後ろに移動しても良いと思います。Oniと同じくスライダーでも良いかも :arrow: 迷いましたが 変えてみます、手前のddkkddkをddkkdkdに変えました。
[ Oni]
  1. bpmも高めで譜面も上級者向きなのでOD6.0で良い気がします。 :arrow: keepで
  2. 00:46:690 - dkkdkkdの方がよりキック音を目立たせられるような気がします。 :arrow: changed.
  3. 01:16:315 (14,15,16,17,18) - kkk-k-d? 1st kiaiパートでddkに偏り気味なので。場所はここじゃなくても良いのでもう少しddk以外のtripletの割合を増やすことも考えてみてください。 :arrow: changed some. kkkではなくkkdに変えました。

    一応捕捉で
    全体的にddk寄りなのは意図的で、あえてそこをベースに組み込むという仕様でした。加えてddkddkの部分もdkkdkkの提案は同様に仕様でしたが、、、多少の変化を混ぜてもよさげなので悪目立ちしない程度にddk系を外して取り入れることにしました Thanks~.
nominatorは既に集まってますがもし必要があったら呼んでください
good luck~ :D
Thanks tasuke~ (¦3[___]
TKS

Nwolf wrote:

cause my 1-line posts get ignored (probably would've done that myself lel)

[TK'S Inner Oni]

I would like to hear explanations for why all your 1/6 are 1/6? None of the sounds is actually 1/6 and they also cause inconsistency in a quite consistent and solid map:

00:23:690 (178,179,180,181) - This sound goes until 00:24:065 - actually. It doesn't increase until here, but it last until here. Additionally you find this 00:31:690 - here and 00:32:940 - here. But those aren't 1/6. (Note this is the least disturbing 1/6 in the map because quite honestly in those two last spots it would have played awfully so it makes sense that it's not consistent). - when i extend 1/6 until 00:24:065 - it would be bad absolutely, also the flow has changed from 00:30:690 - so i never think its not consistent even though those arent 1/6 patterns.

01:17:190 (113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120) - 01:20:315 (150,151,152,153) - These are the other 1/6. These too are also just quarter notes that change their pitch but they are not even 1/4 (and yes the rest isn't neither). What happens in the kiai is, that spots like 01:19:940 - are not mapped as 1/6 though, for no reason. And actually /all/ voice samples should be mapped as 1/6 because nothing is different between them. - your suggestion seems subjective. the patterns are working well and keeping consistency of not bad level. not allowed to make a variation?

01:21:815 (167,168,169,170) - This 1/6 also should not exist as the song gives very clear 1/4 here, like in many other spots (01:16:315 - to name one xample). Same with 01:37:815 (350,351,352,353) - , that's clear 1/4, what is different about it from other 1/4 sounds in the song? - because it just plays better. an example of recent map : https://osu.ppy.sh/b/742085 this Inner Oni has almost similar patten in 00:56:735 - , the pattern seems perfectly legit.


also more stuff below:

00:35:440 (287) - Could try kat on this to have the melody like 00:34:940 (283,284,286) - , I don't think the melody going down should change this to a don. Makes a clearer difference. - clearly sounds lower than 00:35:065 (284) - . i think the melody going down should change this to a don. more think mapper's intention.
If applied, obviously change 00:37:440 (305) - 00:39:440 (324) - 00:41:440 (342) -
00:43:440 (363,364) - Same as above, but it's probably better to change these two notes instead of just the first one..

00:59:565 (6,7) - I think you could delete these notes so melody AND drums are emphasized better 00:59:440 (5,8) - here (01:01:565 - there is no note here either)
01:01:815 (17) - Also delete if done above
01:03:814 (28) - ^
01:10:815 (67,68,69) - Suddenly playing against melody ugh. 01:10:815 (67) - Flows pretty badly with the big note before and the hi-hat rhythm does not start here, so you could delete this. 01:11:440 - Maybe add a don here to follow the melody more?
01:38:190 (355,356,357,358,359,360,361) - You should REALLY consider toning this down a little bit because this is pretty calm compared to the rest of the kiai, yet it's a long 1/4! 01:38:252 (356,360,361) - I'd suggest to remove these three notes. You are pretty much forcing density here.

01:42:690 - Generally I find this stream okay, what disturbs me is that I think that there should be a few cuts (like 01:43:002 (415) - 01:43:502 (423) - 01:44:002 (431) - 01:44:502 (439) - ) so that the final part starting 01:44:690 - here gets more attention.


Otherwise nice map


Good luck
tired of typing.
fixed only 01:38:190 - . thanks.
TKS

tasuke912 wrote:

Hi.
少し気になったところとちょっとした提案だけ
[ Inner Oni]
  1. 今のOniのOD推奨値は6~7なので、BPM高い+かなり難しめのこの譜面には7.0を設定しても大丈夫です。
  2. 00:23:690 - 1/6の影響でここからのパートの密度が曲調に対してかなり高いです。1/6自体の問題は無いのですが、他のノート何個か間引いて密度のバランスを整えた方が良いかもしれません。 - それぞれの音の主張が激しいので迷いましたが5pletsを解消しました。
  3. 01:17:127 (112) - こっちは局所的に密度が上がっています。このノートを削除することで密度のバランスの調整が出来るほか、次の1/6を叩きやすくことにもつながります。1/6自体は上と同様に問題ありません - ゴリ押し巻が否めなかったので消して次のパートの1/6の色を少しかえました
  4. 01:25:127 (202) - ^
nominatorは既に集まってますがもし必要があったら呼んでください
good luck~ :D
ありがとうございました。
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/263 ... Oni%5D.rar
Topic Starter
JUDYDANNY
Updated~(¦3[___]
Raiden
Minimal suggestion:

Muzukashii: 00:14:065 (19) - can you move this to 00:14:315 - for better representation of melody?
00:54:440 - I think it wouldnt hurt to fill...? (IDK if I already suggested)
01:44:440 (14) - move to 01:44:565 - for melody?

Oni: 00:12:127 - maybe fill this gap and delete 00:12:752 (18) - for a break later? so you focus more on the voice "rrrra rrrra"
01:34:315 - fill gap with k for melody?
01:42:315 - ^

call me again
Topic Starter
JUDYDANNY

Raiden wrote:

Minimal suggestion:

Muzukashii: 00:14:065 (19) - can you move this to 00:14:315 - for better representation of melody?
:arrow: moved and 00:13:690 (17,18,19,20) - changed to d-k-dk
00:54:440 - I think it wouldnt hurt to fill...? (IDK if I already suggested)
:arrow: uumm....nope. The reason is already mentioned.
01:44:440 (14) - move to 01:44:565 - for melody?
:arrow: add 44:565 instead.

Oni: 00:12:127 - maybe fill this gap and delete 00:12:752 (18) - for a break later? so you focus more on the voice "rrrra rrrra"
:arrow: I think its better to keep now, for kind to follow the bass drums and synthesizer.
01:34:315 - fill gap with k for melody?
:arrow: I prefer to following drums part mainly.w.
01:42:315 - ^
:arrow: ^.

call me again
Raiden
Nominated.
Prophecy

Raiden wrote:

Nominated.
when I come to this post,

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JUDYDANNY
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