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we did fix somethings at IRC, map should be fine now, just discuss with Fycho about that suggestion (I agree with him tho)
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2016-03-11 23:08 Natsu: Hello
2016-03-11 23:08 Slick: sorry for bothering you, could i make a request?
2016-03-11 23:08 Slick: not mod request, just help with some things
2016-03-11 23:08 Slick: np if you're busy
2016-03-11 23:08 Natsu: sure, what do you need?
2016-03-11 23:09 Slick: just a uh recheck i guess
2016-03-11 23:09 Slick: and if something is possibly fine to keep
2016-03-11 23:09 Slick: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731905 Rita - Bookmark Memories [Grimoire]]
2016-03-11 23:09 Slick: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/343794/start=180
2016-03-11 23:10 Slick: i replied
2016-03-11 23:10 Natsu: oh that map, sure.
2016-03-11 23:16 Slick: so uh
2016-03-11 23:16 Slick: wanna do it now on irc or will do a recheck sometime
2016-03-11 23:16 Slick: will you do*
2016-03-11 23:17 Natsu: in some minutes
2016-03-11 23:38 Natsu: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731905 Rita - Bookmark Memories [Grimoire]]
2016-03-11 23:39 Natsu: could you reduce all the slider tick sounds by 10%?
2016-03-11 23:39 Slick: the ones that aren't hitsounded too?
2016-03-11 23:39 Natsu: just the hitsounded ones
2016-03-11 23:39 Slick: sure
2016-03-11 23:43 Natsu: you applied all from fycho and my mod?
2016-03-11 23:43 Slick: not all
2016-03-11 23:44 Slick: some vocal mapping seems a bit divided
2016-03-11 23:44 Slick: 00:43:235 (1,2) - i will fix this though
2016-03-11 23:45 Natsu: 00:57:729 (1,1) - we are on this so if you care about design blanket this better to
2016-03-11 23:45 Slick: will do
2016-03-11 23:47 Natsu: 02:02:954 - but why ignoring this vocal?
2016-03-11 23:47 Natsu: isn't 1/2 circles better for this part?
2016-03-11 23:47 Slick: possibly
2016-03-11 23:47 Slick: the reason i did what i did is because
2016-03-11 23:47 Slick: i never thought there was a new vocal there
2016-03-11 23:47 Slick: don't you agree it's quite faint?
2016-03-11 23:48 Natsu: I can here a new starting there, but being honest we could also agree the slider is somehow following the whole word tho
2016-03-11 23:48 Natsu: 00:36:156 (1,2) - why is this overlaped?
2016-03-11 23:49 Slick: made it like that for even spacing
2016-03-11 23:49 Slick: if you make (3) 0.85x sv too it will be like this
2016-03-11 23:49 Slick: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4702901
2016-03-11 23:49 Slick: i don't mind removing overlap, it's np
2016-03-11 23:50 Natsu: well if you do then space this a bit more 00:36:493 (2,3) -
2016-03-11 23:50 Slick: y
2016-03-11 23:50 Slick: will do
2016-03-11 23:52 Natsu: 01:13:404 - no slider tick hitsound?
2016-03-11 23:52 Slick: it's hitsounded
2016-03-11 23:55 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4702928
2016-03-11 23:55 Natsu: 9 is touching hp bar 01:39:022 (9) -
2016-03-11 23:55 Slick: yeah
2016-03-11 23:55 Slick: a lot of objects are touching hp bar
2016-03-11 23:55 Slick: it's okay to keep though right?
2016-03-11 23:56 Slick: someone told me it's not unrankable
2016-03-12 00:01 Natsu: is not unrankable
2016-03-12 00:01 Natsu: but it doesn't looks nice
2016-03-12 00:01 Natsu: up to you tho
2016-03-12 00:01 Slick: well doesn't hurt to move it down a few pixels
2016-03-12 00:01 Slick: i can do it
2016-03-12 00:03 Natsu: 00:33:965 (3,4) - http://puu.sh/nDyXN/8e8c5d0437.jpg http://puu.sh/nDyYS/00deab2303.jpg I agree with fycho there, any of those rhythms will fit better the song
Slick, you can't give kd if someone had already modded your map once
and where he gave me kd before? lolKuranteMelodii wrote:
Slick, you can't give kd if someone had already modded your map once
Oh wait, my bad
Overall changelog from previous qualified version.
00:36:493 (2,3) - Moved downwards a little (To overlap 2 with 1?)
00:58:404 (1) - Moved up a little (not sure why but it's moved)
01:38:937 (8,9) - Moved down a little (to make stream more curved throughout)
02:00:257 (2) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending)
02:00:763 (3) - Moved up and to the left (to have better spacing / movement with the new slider)
02:05:145 (1) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending)
02:05:651 (3) - Slider shape remade (for smoother movement)
02:05:988 (4,5,6) - Jumps repositioned (for better movement with the new slider)
02:11:887 (1) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending, also makes the stream a bit easier)
02:12:392 (2,3,4) - Moved up and to the right (to fit the new slider setup)
02:23:853 (7) - Moved to the left (for spacing presumably)
02:25:033 (5,6,1) - Jump angle changed (not sure why but it still works)
02:25:875 (2,3,1) - Manually stacked (for readability probably since it's up in the corner)
04:20:988 (6,7) - Changed from a single 1/2 slider into 1/4 stream jumps (that's a scary change but it works surprisingly well...)
04:33:460 - Added finish (sounds nice)
Seems the bit at 00:33:965 (3,4) - is still debated (TBH I think both variants work for different reasons), so it'd be bad to re-bubble as-is.
Slick if you have an idea for a single slider at 00:33:965 - it would probably save a lot of trouble with rebubbling since I think the players okay with two objects won't mind if it's suddenly one.
If not then I can just go find Fycho and see if the current version is good for a rebubble
00:36:493 (2,3) - Moved downwards a little (To overlap 2 with 1?)
00:58:404 (1) - Moved up a little (not sure why but it's moved)
01:38:937 (8,9) - Moved down a little (to make stream more curved throughout)
02:00:257 (2) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending)
02:00:763 (3) - Moved up and to the left (to have better spacing / movement with the new slider)
02:05:145 (1) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending)
02:05:651 (3) - Slider shape remade (for smoother movement)
02:05:988 (4,5,6) - Jumps repositioned (for better movement with the new slider)
02:11:887 (1) - Shortened 1/4 (to avoid overextending, also makes the stream a bit easier)
02:12:392 (2,3,4) - Moved up and to the right (to fit the new slider setup)
02:23:853 (7) - Moved to the left (for spacing presumably)
02:25:033 (5,6,1) - Jump angle changed (not sure why but it still works)
02:25:875 (2,3,1) - Manually stacked (for readability probably since it's up in the corner)
04:20:988 (6,7) - Changed from a single 1/2 slider into 1/4 stream jumps (that's a scary change but it works surprisingly well...)
04:33:460 - Added finish (sounds nice)
Seems the bit at 00:33:965 (3,4) - is still debated (TBH I think both variants work for different reasons), so it'd be bad to re-bubble as-is.
Slick if you have an idea for a single slider at 00:33:965 - it would probably save a lot of trouble with rebubbling since I think the players okay with two objects won't mind if it's suddenly one.
If not then I can just go find Fycho and see if the current version is good for a rebubble
Going through the dq post again
00:43:235 (1,2) - I think this is super easy, but it is possible to squeeze out smaller spacing just by making 2 a bit more flat https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4752491
02:02:280 - I think this part works pretty good honestly, combining vocals and the instruments is tough, and it makes a good parallel with 3 and 6.
02:27:055 - It's definitely a more difficult jump section than before, but not by a lot, just to fit the new slider velocity (which I think makes sense)
So I think just consider making 00:43:235 easier / not as big, while still maintaining that clockwise motion you're going for, and then I should be safe to re-bubble since that'll account for it all
00:43:235 (1,2) - I think this is super easy, but it is possible to squeeze out smaller spacing just by making 2 a bit more flat https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4752491
02:02:280 - I think this part works pretty good honestly, combining vocals and the instruments is tough, and it makes a good parallel with 3 and 6.
02:27:055 - It's definitely a more difficult jump section than before, but not by a lot, just to fit the new slider velocity (which I think makes sense)
So I think just consider making 00:43:235 easier / not as big, while still maintaining that clockwise motion you're going for, and then I should be safe to re-bubble since that'll account for it all
Map updated, I got poked about it
Okay these are the changes as an addendum to the previous post
00:33:965 (3) - This got changed into a single object. This should be good news for everyone, haha
00:43:235 (1,2,3) - This was made slightly easier (was fine but this is... more fine? I think)
03:32:448 (3) - This is slower now so it's easier to follow (test-play related apparently)
Okay, I think that's everything.
You still need to get another bubble and qualify, as usual for approval.
Putting an icon on here.
Bubble #1
Okay these are the changes as an addendum to the previous post
00:33:965 (3) - This got changed into a single object. This should be good news for everyone, haha
00:43:235 (1,2,3) - This was made slightly easier (was fine but this is... more fine? I think)
03:32:448 (3) - This is slower now so it's easier to follow (test-play related apparently)
Okay, I think that's everything.
You still need to get another bubble and qualify, as usual for approval.
Putting an icon on here.
Bubble #1
#2
Okay, have your flame back~
Great that you improved the extended slider usage. Congratz!
Desperate-kun wrote:
Great that you improved the extended slider usage. Congratz!
Grats!
Guys, sorry for annoying here, really, but:
Shouldn't this be "produced"? My english is not good so I'm probably wrong, but can someone explain this to me?
Ps: Great map, really
Shouldn't this be "produced"? My english is not good so I'm probably wrong, but can someone explain this to me?
Ps: Great map, really
^
Could be replaced with 'producement' as it fits, too.
Could be replaced with 'producement' as it fits, too.
Oh okay then, sorry!
Yay!
nicememeKhora wrote:
Well done map! Prob my fav this year so far
Hey mate, I was finally able to download the map lol.
So regardless of what I feel about the sliders early on (which has improved), the wub parts are really fkn cool. However I found a lot of inconsistencies in the NCing. While I do see that you NC a great deal of sliderchanges, there are sliders going from 0,75x to 1,5x SV without proper NC's to point them out.
04:12:224 (2) - from 1x to 1,5x
04:27:814 (2) - 0,75x to 1,5x
04:28:572 (3,4,5) - 1x to 0,5x to 1x to 1,25x without NC's
04:29:920 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - 1,25x to 0,8x to 1,6x then back to 0,8x with no indication of sv changes
04:32:617 (4) - 1,3x to 0,68x
there are also a great deal of 0,20-0,30x changes that doesn't have NC's, but I haven't listed them. I just looked at a small portion of the last kiai and found this. What's the reasoning behind using a lot of NC's to show SV changes in places like 03:09:359 (6,1,1) - 03:11:213 (1,1,1,1) - 04:15:932 (1,1,1,1) - 02:58:741 (1,1) - , but not do it consistently throughout the map, especially with such big changes in speed?
You're being consistently inconsistent in NCing, as you're doing the same inconsistencies throughout the map, which is the only thing I can see that would somehow justify it, but how can that justify SV changes of almost 1x difference with no NC? Maybe I'm missing something important here, I tried getting other opinions but nobody really had anything to say so I'm posting here for clarification. Before someone jumps the DQ, I'd like to hear what the mapper has to say as I might have missed something (he's not online atm).
EDIT: Reason why I brought this up was because I'm working on a similar styled map that I'm planning to rank soon, and want to know how NC's ought to be handled, because I NC every slider and has always been told that's how you should do (especially big sv changes)
Just realized it's actually ranked... welp
also BIG congrats for first ranked map!!!!!!
So regardless of what I feel about the sliders early on (which has improved), the wub parts are really fkn cool. However I found a lot of inconsistencies in the NCing. While I do see that you NC a great deal of sliderchanges, there are sliders going from 0,75x to 1,5x SV without proper NC's to point them out.
04:12:224 (2) - from 1x to 1,5x
04:27:814 (2) - 0,75x to 1,5x
04:28:572 (3,4,5) - 1x to 0,5x to 1x to 1,25x without NC's
04:29:920 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - 1,25x to 0,8x to 1,6x then back to 0,8x with no indication of sv changes
04:32:617 (4) - 1,3x to 0,68x
there are also a great deal of 0,20-0,30x changes that doesn't have NC's, but I haven't listed them. I just looked at a small portion of the last kiai and found this. What's the reasoning behind using a lot of NC's to show SV changes in places like 03:09:359 (6,1,1) - 03:11:213 (1,1,1,1) - 04:15:932 (1,1,1,1) - 02:58:741 (1,1) - , but not do it consistently throughout the map, especially with such big changes in speed?
You're being consistently inconsistent in NCing, as you're doing the same inconsistencies throughout the map, which is the only thing I can see that would somehow justify it, but how can that justify SV changes of almost 1x difference with no NC? Maybe I'm missing something important here, I tried getting other opinions but nobody really had anything to say so I'm posting here for clarification. Before someone jumps the DQ, I'd like to hear what the mapper has to say as I might have missed something (he's not online atm).
EDIT: Reason why I brought this up was because I'm working on a similar styled map that I'm planning to rank soon, and want to know how NC's ought to be handled, because I NC every slider and has always been told that's how you should do (especially big sv changes)
Just realized it's actually ranked... welp
also BIG congrats for first ranked map!!!!!!
This has happened to me way too many times to count LOLLiiraye wrote:
Just realized it's actually ranked... welp
Still, feedback like that is good for future sets
i dont get why people hate on this map so much. It has such an unique flow and plays very wellFyre wrote:
nicememeKhora wrote:
Well done map! Prob my fav this year so far
