2016-01-20 18:46 Shiro: okay so
2016-01-20 18:46 Shiro: 00:11:896 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is very intrusive without proper volume play
2016-01-20 18:46 Shiro: if you want i can add the lines for you
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: and you just copypaste the code
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiirn: if you tell me what you're thinking of doing i can do it myself. are we talking like
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiirn: sliding between 10/15/20?
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiirn: or 20/15/10 for the three hits and resetting to 20 for the next
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: for every new combo
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: reduce volume by 2%
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: take another 5% off each section for the slider head
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: and silence the sliderend
2016-01-20 18:47 Shiro: is what I'd do
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiirn: mmm so like
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiirn: 20/15/5/18/13/5/16/11/5/14/9/5
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiro: yup
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiro: that should work
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiirn: k
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiirn: let's do it
2016-01-20 18:48 Shiirn: the sliderslide is already muted
2016-01-20 18:49 Shiirn: for these notes
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: k
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiro: I wish it was possible to mute the sliderends entirely, it would work well here
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: let's see how it sounds
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: i could use a soft-hitnormal 44b
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: (blank)
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiirn: but isnt that unrankable
2016-01-20 18:50 Shiro: RC says you can't silence both sliderslide and sliderend
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiirn: ACTION blinks
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiirn: k
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiirn: should i do the same to the second set?
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiro: 00:22:563 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - do the same for those obviously haha
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiro: yes
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiro: aaaa
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiirn: yeee
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiro: it would be so perfect to silence the sliderend here
2016-01-20 18:51 Shiirn: THANK GOD FOR HOTKEYS
2016-01-20 18:52 Shiro: you could volume change past 00:33:396 (1) - but it's not necessary
2016-01-20 18:53 Shiirn: since they follow the piano at that point
2016-01-20 18:53 Shiirn: and the piano stays roughly the same volume
2016-01-20 18:53 Shiro: I'd do it to follow the pitch
2016-01-20 18:53 Shiro: but... that's me
2016-01-20 18:53 Shiirn: fuck that
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiirn: the entire map would be a mass of green lines
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiro: you know I like to do that
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiro: LOL
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiro: mind if I drop a few comments about the map too ?
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiirn: no, just be aware i might disagree
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiro: you are free to
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiro: I'm not forcing you to change anything
2016-01-20 18:54 Shiirn: felys is a special case for me because i mapped it while banned and i was "recovering" the mapper mindset
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiirn: this is why it gets better as it goes on
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiirn: because i recovered my skills
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiro: 00:38:395 (3,4,5) - methinks you should move those up left to havea bigger jump into 00:38:729 (1) - so far everywhere in this section there have been "jumps" into it like 00:36:562 (1,1,1) -
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiirn: mmm
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiirn: true
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiro: and it continues, the only one that isn't a jump is 00:39:229 (1) -
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiro: er
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiro: 00:38:729 (1) -
2016-01-20 18:55 Shiirn: i didnt notice cuz its a pattern reset
2016-01-20 18:56 Shiirn: so i modifed that pattern a bit
2016-01-20 18:56 Shiirn: 00:38:062 (1) - is a bit further out
2016-01-20 18:57 Shiirn: 00:38:229 (2) - this is stacked on top of 00:38:729 (1)-
2016-01-20 18:57 Shiirn: 00:38:395 (3,4,5) - is up and to the left of where it was before
2016-01-20 18:57 Shiirn: so that the triple and 1 are equidistant to 2
2016-01-20 18:57 Shiro: sounds good
2016-01-20 18:59 Shiirn: if you want to suggest volume play in any sections where you think it'd be really good
2016-01-20 18:59 Shiirn: feel free
2016-01-20 19:00 Shiirn: volume play isn't that hard to implement, i'm just so completely jaded and unaffected by the music in this track at this point i can't really tell what's what
2016-01-20 19:00 Shiro: 00:43:562 (2,3) - why not jumps for those
2016-01-20 19:00 Shiirn: because i felt like the piano was really soft there
2016-01-20 19:00 Shiirn: especailly with the other noises overwhelming it enough at that point
2016-01-20 19:00 Shiro: I feel it the other way around, but it's up to interpretation
2016-01-20 19:01 Shiirn: like when you listen
2016-01-20 19:01 Shiirn: the piano takes backstage to the noises introduced there
2016-01-20 19:01 Shiirn: but you've been doing the piano click pattern the entire time and it fits here too
2016-01-20 19:01 Shiirn: so that's why 1/4 sliders
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiro: 00:44:062 (1) - crescendo starting here would be pretty nice
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: but to keep the click pattern yet have players focusing on the main notes, smaller spacing
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: crescendo means what
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: increasing volume?
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiro: yes
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: in sets of three i presume
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiro: 00:49:395 (1) - until here
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: what volumes do you think
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiro: with every new combo yeah
2016-01-20 19:02 Shiirn: it starts at 35
2016-01-20 19:03 Shiro: let me try out
2016-01-20 19:04 Shiro: +2% every new combo
2016-01-20 19:04 Shiirn: maybe topping out at 50 at 00:49:395- ?
2016-01-20 19:04 Shiro: up to 55
2016-01-20 19:04 Shiirn: maybe topping out at 50 at 00:49:395 - ?
2016-01-20 19:04 Shiirn: or 55
2016-01-20 19:05 Shiro: bonus would be 00:46:395 (3,4,5) - decrescendo on those three but that would be really tedious lol
2016-01-20 19:05 Shiirn: so?
2016-01-20 19:05 Shiirn: lol
2016-01-20 19:06 Shiirn: 45->40->35?
2016-01-20 19:06 Shiro: should be 43 at that point
2016-01-20 19:06 Shiirn: barely noticable but whatever its done lel
2016-01-20 19:06 Shiro: i used 43 -> 35 -> 27
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiirn: oh
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiirn: i started the entire section with 37 instead of 35
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiirn: oh well
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiro: 00:49:062 (3,4,5) - not needed here because I can't hear the piano decreasing in volume
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiirn: ill just scale it
2016-01-20 19:07 Shiro: you'll reach 57 if you start with 37
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiirn: 00:48:729 - i end up with 55 here
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiirn: 00:49:395 - instead of here
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiirn: which works fine if you ask me
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiro: it does that's where i have 55
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiro: o.O
2016-01-20 19:08 Shiirn: ...
2016-01-20 19:09 Shiirn: dudududududu [xfiles theme]
2016-01-20 19:09 Shiro: lol
2016-01-20 19:09 Shiro: not sure if it's intended but 00:51:229 (3) - is (-1,-3) off
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: yeah i fixed those
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: they were unstacke
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: d
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: oh
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: do i need to update the map ?
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: because things love unstacking at random and i have no idea why
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: please
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: the editor
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: uh no
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: ATE A NOTE
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: i never actually
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: on tengaku
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: SUBMITTED the changes
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiro: ill point out the ones i see just say "done" if you had fixed them already i guess
2016-01-20 19:10 Shiirn: i just remembered irre whining about them so i fixed them while waiting for your deductions
2016-01-20 19:11 Shiirn: ok
2016-01-20 19:11 Shiro: i assume 00:54:729 (1,3) - is fixed too ?
2016-01-20 19:11 Shiro: this one is the one that caught my eye most
2016-01-20 19:11 Shiirn: yeah
2016-01-20 19:11 Shiro: 00:56:229 (2,4,5) - fixed ?
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiirn: underneath the previous? yeah
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiro: 00:56:729 (5,1) - this one looks on purpose
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiro: kind of like what i did in tengaku
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiirn: as it is right now
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiirn: the 5 needs to be manually stacked
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiirn: so that 4 is under 2
2016-01-20 19:12 Shiro: can you reduce stack leniency ?
2016-01-20 19:13 Shiirn: stack leniency that stops 1/4 from stacking is unrankable
2016-01-20 19:13 Shiro: ah man thank god you're not one of those who new combo blue ticks
2016-01-20 19:14 Shiirn: i do later in the map. like twice. sorry.
2016-01-20 19:14 Shiro: I hate you.
2016-01-20 19:14 Shiirn: They're the only possible place to put them there!
2016-01-20 19:14 Shiirn: ;_;
2016-01-20 19:15 Shiro: 01:19:229 (3,4) - improper blanket !
2016-01-20 19:15 Shiro: also 01:19:229 (3,5) - overlap
2016-01-20 19:15 Shiirn: it blankets the 5 not the 4!
2016-01-20 19:15 Shiirn: (no really it does)
2016-01-20 19:15 Shiro: ... I can't see it
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiirn:
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiirn: ok its off
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiirn: fine ill fix
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiro: all i can see is this http://puu.sh/mD34i/833cc56a8c.jpg
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiro: and then im like
2016-01-20 19:16 Shiro: plz
2016-01-20 19:17 Shiirn: ok fixed
2016-01-20 19:17 Shiirn: ill nee dto do it for the other one too
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiro: 01:21:062 (7) - this slider irks me
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiro: 01:21:229 - is a very strong beat in the song (you even hitsounded it) but lands on a sliderend
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiirn: ?
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiirn: ive gone over that before
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiirn: ;_;
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiro: it happens
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiro: happened to me in tengaku
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiirn: Sometimes i like having sliders end on drums because it lets it "release"
2016-01-20 19:18 Shiro: then i realized that it would be better to keep my pattern
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: like
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: i do that
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: A LOT
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiro: well if you did it on purpose it's fine
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: i did it a lot in my sakuzyo and dnb maps
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiro: but I'm very anal about that kind of thing haha
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiro: so I'll point it out, if it's planned then it's alright
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: yeah
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: just different tastes
2016-01-20 19:19 Shiirn: im kind of weird about what i enjoy playing i guess
2016-01-20 19:20 Shiro: 01:21:395 (1,3) - stack ?
2016-01-20 19:20 Shiirn: they aren't? fuck
2016-01-20 19:20 Shiirn: they are now
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: do you really think 01:21:895 (3) - is bad because it's a kick slider instead of a 1/1
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: people seem to hate it
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiro: don't ever fucking change it
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiro: it works wonderfully
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: ok
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiro: that's the best way you had to naturally change the direction
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: #fuckthehaters
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiro: without introducing jerky points in the map that would not fit the song in any way
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: yeah
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: i wanted it to change direction and was like
2016-01-20 19:21 Shiirn: fuck how
2016-01-20 19:22 Shiirn: i didnt want to have one of those weird ass "goes back to the start" bendy sliders you see in wub maps because that doesnt fit
2016-01-20 19:22 Shiro: the 1/2 fits well
2016-01-20 19:22 Shiro: because it continues the son't density at that point
2016-01-20 19:22 Shiro: 1/1 would have broken the rhythm
2016-01-20 19:22 Shiirn: mmk
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiro: also idk if you realize it but 01:21:395 (1,2,3) - has wonderful flow
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiirn: i realize it
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiirn: but people seem to hate it
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiro: the slider doesn't quite fit in the cone rule
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiro: but it works nevertheless
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiro: actually it kind of does
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiirn: especially cuz i needed to have something bend into
2016-01-20 19:23 Shiirn: 01:22:729 (1) - this weird ass thin
2016-01-20 19:24 Shiro: 01:22:729 (1,2) - id make those two closer to each other though I got confused at first thinking it was 1/2
2016-01-20 19:24 Shiirn: mm
2016-01-20 19:24 Shiirn: sure why not
2016-01-20 19:24 Shiirn: inb4 irre "01:21:729 (2,2) - overlap"
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: also
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: 01:22:729 (1) - id bend the end a bit less
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: so that the flow 01:23:062 (2,3) - is more abrupt
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: which would work better with what you're doing imo
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiirn: so you want the bend
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiirn: clockwise or counter in this case
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: clockwide
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: I'd say 10-15°
2016-01-20 19:25 Shiro: almost vertical
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: then i need to move 2 again
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: (but not vertical because 0 and 90 are boring)
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: so it points directly at it
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: yeah
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: but if you do that
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: you'll have pure counterflow between 01:23:062 (2,3) -
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: 2->3 is a bigger jump but WHO CARES
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: which isolates (3) more by making it a jerk point
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: did you read my post about flow
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: if it's big enough
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: i can actually
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: reverse 3
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: it contains nothing you don't know but
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: since its flow to 4,5
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: is the same
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: bad idea
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: whether it's ctrl g'd or not
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: reversing 3 would ruin the jerk point
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiirn: mmm
2016-01-20 19:26 Shiro: which works well in the song
2016-01-20 19:27 Shiro: given your rhythm and the hitsounding
2016-01-20 19:27 Shiirn: its just too much of a jerk point atm
2016-01-20 19:28 Shiro: up to you
2016-01-20 19:28 Shiro: that's the way I'd see it work
2016-01-20 19:28 Shiirn: oh well
2016-01-20 19:28 Shiirn: let's just leave it being a fairly big jump and if anyone complains fuck 'em
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiirn: 01:24:395 (2) - is even bigger anyawy
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiirn: lel
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiro: this is a purely visual suggestion but
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiro: 01:23:729 (5,6) - you should make those two the same slider
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiirn: i guess sure
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiro: it's a thing people complained about in tengaku
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiro: that i used different sliders in the same combo and pattern
2016-01-20 19:29 Shiirn: done to both
2016-01-20 19:30 Shiro: see 01:24:395 (2,3) - is the same feeling as 01:23:062 (2,3) -
2016-01-20 19:30 Shiro: except I'd exchange the place between 01:25:062 (5,6) -
2016-01-20 19:30 Shiro: right now you have a very jerk motion (big jump up, slider down, big jump up into slider, stack, big jump down into slider, big jump left)
2016-01-20 19:30 Shiirn: i could do something like...
2016-01-20 19:31 Shiirn: fucking
2016-01-20 19:31 Shiirn: puush
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiirn: http://puu.sh/mD48s/8ce14d376a.jpg
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiro: turn 5 the other way
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiro: so you have a circle motion between 3,5 and 6
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiro: that leads into the next triple
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiirn: that makes 4,5 be very close to 3's end but
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiirn: eh sure
2016-01-20 19:32 Shiirn: works fine
2016-01-20 19:34 Shiro: (also leads to 01:25:895 (1,2,3) - better)
2016-01-20 19:34 Shiirn: ye
2016-01-20 19:34 Shiro: 01:27:229 (3) - the blanket
2016-01-20 19:34 Shiro: (yes it's off)
2016-01-20 19:34 Shiro: trust the OCD
2016-01-20 19:35 Shiirn: its the same slider as before
2016-01-20 19:35 Shiirn: so its off a bit yeah
2016-01-20 19:35 Shiirn: fixed
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiro: 01:28:062 (1,2,3,4) - this is the biggest problem I've found
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiro: this motion doesn't work imo
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiro: logically, all those should be jumps
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiro: but 01:28:395 (2,3) - isn't a jump and that makes this play really weirdly
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiirn: see like
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiirn: the thing is
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiirn: previously
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiirn: i used the spaced triples and sliders
2016-01-20 19:36 Shiirn: to force "smaller jumps"
2016-01-20 19:37 Shiirn: this is what happens when i don't
2016-01-20 19:37 Shiirn: 01:28:395 (2,3) - has had a bazillion different suggestions
2016-01-20 19:39 Shiro: considering the configuration, it would be hard to change
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiirn: ineed
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiirn: deed
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiro: I can try to think of something if you want
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiirn: ehhh
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiirn: ive treid and given up
2016-01-20 19:40 Shiirn: feel free to suggest
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiro: http://puu.sh/mD4Vy/e00d083afe.jpg something like this could work
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiro: (properly done)
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiirn: sec phone
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiirn: ugh
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiirn: spam calls that happen when you're waiting for an important call
2016-01-20 19:44 Shiirn: are the worst
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: where the heck did u get
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: 678910 from
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: lol
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiro: oups
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiro: 6 is 01:28:062 (1) -
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiro: for some reason the new combo vanished
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: o ok uhhhh
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: the thing is
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: among all the patterns in the map
2016-01-20 19:45 Shiirn: this is one of the few im willing to completely scrap
2016-01-20 19:46 Shiro: I had an idea but it would require replacing both sliders with two circles
2016-01-20 19:47 Shiirn: AR massively lowered to show new pattern http://puu.sh/mD5ft/b421c7aa2c.jpg
2016-01-20 19:48 Shiro: 3,4 would be unequal to 1,2 in that pattern
2016-01-20 19:48 Shiirn: 4 does point at 3, though, and the jump is not all that large
2016-01-20 19:48 Shiro: im worried about the antiflow 3->4
2016-01-20 19:48 Shiro: otherwise it would work
2016-01-20 19:49 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 19:49 Shiirn: i can ctrl+g 4
2016-01-20 19:49 Shiirn: and 6
2016-01-20 19:49 Shiirn: and the 1/4 note i added because it totally exists
2016-01-20 19:49 Shiro: yeah it would work that way
2016-01-20 19:54 Shiro: 01:29:395 (1,2) - same comment as earlier
2016-01-20 19:55 Shiro: 01:33:312 (6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you might not agree with me but I don't see with pattern working here, it's the same sound as the one I pointed earlier (as biggest problem) so imo you should use the same kind of rhythm
2016-01-20 19:57 Shiirn: i mean i can swap 3,4 so that its not...
2016-01-20 19:57 Shiirn: weird
2016-01-20 20:00 Shiro: tell me when i can proceed
2016-01-20 20:00 Shiirn: yeah go ahead
2016-01-20 20:00 Shiirn: o_o
2016-01-20 20:00 Shiro: 01:40:229 (2) - you could at least not have hidden this under the stream, it's ugly
2016-01-20 20:00 Shiro:
2016-01-20 20:01 Shiirn: flipped
2016-01-20 20:01 Shiro: you could easily just move it down though
2016-01-20 20:01 Shiro: so the end isn't covered like that
2016-01-20 20:01 Shiirn: i like it more flipped anyway
2016-01-20 20:01 Shiro: 01:43:229 (4,5) - pls
2016-01-20 20:02 Shiro: it's unlike you to leave those small overlaps around
2016-01-20 20:02 Shiirn: pls
2016-01-20 20:02 Shiro: did everyone complain about it
2016-01-20 20:02 Shiro: I assume it got pointed out like
2016-01-20 20:02 Shiro: a billion times
2016-01-20 20:03 Shiro: 01:59:229 (4,5,6) - why not give them the same spacing
2016-01-20 20:03 Shiirn: ILL MOVE THE ENTIRE DAMN STREAM
2016-01-20 20:03 Shiro: lol
2016-01-20 20:03 Shiro: I'm sorry ;_;
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: 02:02:645 (6,1) - this stream is RUDE
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiirn:
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: don't change it)
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiirn: are these streams like
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiirn: unacceptably ugly
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: nono
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: streams are fine but
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: even number of beats
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: in a stream this long
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiro: is gonna be very confusing
2016-01-20 20:05 Shiirn: no i mean
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: visually
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: idc about that particular stream
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: because irre
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: like
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: yelled at me
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: that the streams were ugly and horrible
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiro: visually they're fine
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiro: o.O they play decently
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiro: 02:09:395 (1,4) - stack
2016-01-20 20:06 Shiirn: fixed
2016-01-20 20:07 Shiro: okay now 02:09:895 (4,5,6) - is a problem imo
2016-01-20 20:07 Shiro: because 02:07:729 (4,5) -
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: 02:07:729 (4,5) -
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: this
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: 02:10:312 (5,6) -
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: this
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: ye
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: look the same
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: but
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: o
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: ic
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: one is two doubles, one is a triple
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: i can uhhhh
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: change the 6 in the second one to just a note
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiirn: and move it under 4
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: problem is that they're both spaced
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: except one is a split triple
2016-01-20 20:08 Shiro: it's gonna be hard to read
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiirn: mmm
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiirn: i just changed 6 into a slider and it looks fine to me
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiirn: er
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiirn: circle
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiro: could work
2016-01-20 20:09 Shiro: would need further input
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: I'm not the best sightreader around
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: 02:11:312 (8,1) - this jump intentional ?
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiirn: i mean its not unintentional but if the spaced outness is ugly ill just move it over
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: nono
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: im asking cause it could be pointed out as an error
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: but
2016-01-20 20:10 Shiro: i can make sense out of it
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: it's also repeated
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiirn: it plays identically either way
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiirn: but if its ugly
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiirn: ill move it
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: 02:11:395 (1,1,1) -
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: no, it's not
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: it adds to the gameplay
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: i have nothing against it, I like that kind of stream
2016-01-20 20:11 Shiro: but again, it's unclear whether or not it's intentional
2016-01-20 20:12 Shiirn: they're all intentional
2016-01-20 20:12 Shiirn: but people hate them so i give up
2016-01-20 20:12 Shiro: I like them
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: I wouldn't ask to change them
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: but be aware others might
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: also
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: I've defended one single note in tengaku
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: through 22 pages of mods
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiirn: yeah well
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: so I suppose I can relate
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiirn: i can defend all i FUCKING want
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiirn: but if irre doesnt agree im fucked
2016-01-20 20:13 Shiro: fuck irre
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: because he specifically told me
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: I defended tengaku through 4 DQs
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: he's not letting it get ranked if he's not satisfied
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: and 4 top-ranked players saying the map was bad
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: you have a lot more influence than me
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: Irre has no right to singlehandedly shit your map into graveyard
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: i don't have
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: his concerns have been address
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: all the influence you think i have
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: i don't know anyone on the QAT
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: you have more than 0 influence
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: or BN groups
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: which i have
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiirn: or anyone in any place of power
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: people KNOW you
2016-01-20 20:14 Shiro: that's more than I can say of myself
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiro: and that gives you a lot of power
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiirn: but they don't necessarily DEFEND me
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiirn: not a single person has come to my defense in felys
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiirn: and that's partially why im upset
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiro: you're a 2012 mapper
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiro: this is 2015
2016-01-20 20:15 Shiro: give people time to rediscover your style
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiro: and you'll have your own "army" of fans ready to defend you (said neutrally, don't think I'm blaming you)
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiro: you're a forgotten mapper as it is now
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: im aware of what you mean
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiro: but you'll have no trouble going back into people's memories
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: not if irre keeps slapping felys going NO
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: and not if the BNsituation stays as FUCKED as it is
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: because basically
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiro: take it up to Loctav
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: the only BNs i can ask to mod my map
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiro: you addressed Irre's concerns
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: are
2016-01-20 20:16 Shiirn: Natsu
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: Monstrata
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: Okoratu
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: Kyubey
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: well
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: and maybe sukinathan in the future
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: that's IT
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: consider yourself lucky you get a Shiro mod
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: that's ALL
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: the bns
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: you wouldn't believe how many people have tried and failed
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: i mean im very glad
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: it hasn't happened since shining gate
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: you're going over this with me
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: because motivation is a big issue when it comes down to it
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: I know how you feel
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiirn: but you're not going to icon the map so i still need to get 3 other people
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: this is your second DQ that already gets on people's nerves and motivation
2016-01-20 20:17 Shiro: well I can't
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiro: I can ask Loctav if I'm allowed to
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: and i don't expect you to
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiro: but I doubt he'll say yes
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: loctav doesnt mod SHIT and he qualified tengaku
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: so
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: but it's loctav
2016-01-20 20:18 Shiirn: hecan do what he wants
2016-01-20 20:20 Shiro: 02:20:562 (3) - this isn't perfect
2016-01-20 20:20 Shiro: red node should be a bit more down
2016-01-20 20:21 Shiirn: k its perfect
2016-01-20 20:22 Shiro: 02:23:562 (4,5) - is there a way for you toa void this overlap ?
2016-01-20 20:23 Shiro: 02:28:062 (1,2) - stack!
2016-01-20 20:24 Shiirn: fixed
2016-01-20 20:25 Shiro: 02:28:479 (3,4) - for the sake of a better flow and less jerky motion id move 3 to the right of the slider
2016-01-20 20:25 Shiro: but it's up to you
2016-01-20 20:25 Shiirn: fine w/ me
2016-01-20 20:25 Shiro: for the sake of consistency (again)
2016-01-20 20:25 Shiro: 02:29:979 (4,1) - make this a jump like 02:29:645 (4,1) -
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiirn: ugh
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiirn: move the entire pattern?
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiro: rotate the stream a bit
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiro: then move it down a tad
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiro: should work
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiro: you don't have to though i mean
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiro: it's just me
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiirn: i just moved the entire pattern for the next 1.5 seconds
2016-01-20 20:26 Shiirn: LEL
2016-01-20 20:27 Shiro: 02:37:229 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I like this
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiirn: neat
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiro: 03:13:895 (2,3) - stack
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiirn: 02:37:729 (5) - needs a new combo
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiro: 03:18:395 (6,7) - stack
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiro: ah I'm not looking at the comboing
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiirn: wtf they are stacked
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiirn: like
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiirn: for real
2016-01-20 20:28 Shiro: check it
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiirn: the first one
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiirn: w/e
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiro: 6 is 1px off
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiirn: fixed
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiro: >.> sorry
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiro: if you ask me I'd like not to see those things
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiro: they easily ruin maps for me
2016-01-20 20:29 Shiro: 03:19:062 (2,4) - stack
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: slider ends wont stack correctly at all
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: i feel like
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: in the editor
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiro: nope I noticed
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiro: they're always off
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: i need to move circles on top of ends
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: i cant move ends underneath circles
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiro: you've got to manually pixelmove them
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiro: 03:20:562 - how come you ignored the piano here ?
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: but they like
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: latch onto eachother
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiirn: idk?
2016-01-20 20:30 Shiro: click the circle
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiro: then click the coordinates in the top right corner
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: because the patterns are using
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: WHAT
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: THIS IS A THING?
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiro: yup
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: IVE NEVER KNOWN THIS WAS A THING
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiro: been added a LONG while ago
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiro: it's neat
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: BUT YEAH UH
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: not doing the piano cuz
2016-01-20 20:31 Shiirn: the patterns are following the drum
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiro: 03:42:062 (1,1,1) - remove those new combos
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiro: you didn't NC the same stream earlier in the map
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiro: like way earlier
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiirn: k
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiirn: moved the triple too
2016-01-20 20:32 Shiirn: so its properly stacked
2016-01-20 20:33 Shiirn: <3 pixels
2016-01-20 20:33 Shiro: man I'd have massive troubles playing this
2016-01-20 20:33 Shiro: too many even-numbered streams
2016-01-20 20:33 Shiro: they fuck me up lol
2016-01-20 20:34 Shiro: 04:32:062 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - what are GGG triangles doing here
2016-01-20 20:34 Shiro: O:
2016-01-20 20:34 Shiro: also 04:33:062 (1,2,3) - isn't a proper triangle
2016-01-20 20:35 Shiro: 04:33:895 (4,5) - stack (again damn sliderends)
2016-01-20 20:35 Shiro: 04:35:895 (2,3) - triangle again i assume
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: GGG triangles?
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: green grass garden
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: the rotating triangles
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: oh
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: who cares
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: LOL
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro:
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: you broke my spirit
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: also those sliders
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: come on i was all like
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: i just uhhh
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: they're good enough
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: omg someone used my stuff in one of their maps
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: is that ur map?
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiirn: it's a good pattern
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro: dont break mappers spirit
2016-01-20 20:36 Shiro:
2016-01-20 20:37 Shiro: you know my dream is to inspire people
2016-01-20 20:37 Shiro: 04:44:562 (4,5) - stack
2016-01-20 20:37 Shiro: 04:47:895 (9,1) - stack
2016-01-20 20:37 Shiro: 05:03:979 (8,1) - stack
2016-01-20 20:38 Shiro: 05:09:395 (1,5) - stack
2016-01-20 20:38 Shiro: yes I notice these while going through the map in normal speed
2016-01-20 20:38 Shiirn: ok
2016-01-20 20:38 Shiirn: done
2016-01-20 20:38 Shiro: 05:12:729 (1,1) - I assume this was intended though ?
2016-01-20 20:39 Shiirn: yeah intended there
2016-01-20 20:39 Shiirn: i was getting comments it was hard af to read stacked
2016-01-20 20:40 Shiro: 05:34:562 (4,1) - id argue that this is a bit too much of a jump although I see where it comes from
2016-01-20 20:40 Shiro: just reverse the slider
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiirn: i put my logic in response to tess's mod
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiro: huh
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiro: i missed it ?
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiro: o.O
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiro: hold on
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiirn: 1 sec
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiirn: "One of the theories I'm famous for helping to cement in the minds of all players everywhere is that "Jumps are way easier and way cooler if they end on a slider" - I've not heard a single person who reached this point in the map do anything but end it very powerfully. The response if they missed it was "Awww, shucks" because they'll get an S even if they sliderbreak and they won't lose out on that much score/pp/combo/whatever (another reason why... (message truncated)
2016-01-20 20:41 Shiirn: tell me where it truncated
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiro: ah I found it
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiro: okay, that works
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiro: I wish I were famous for anything
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: Like if i needed to map the 10-20 second outro
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: i'd never do a jump this big
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: but you'd only lose like
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiro: i was surprised it wasn't mapped, but it's your choice
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: 10 pp for missing it
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: if you FC'd the rest of the map
2016-01-20 20:42 Shiirn: i mean
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiirn: some reasons why i didnt do so are
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiro: also @monstrata "It's just something you'll have to swallow when you try to introduce something different into the meta. Not everyone likes change."
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiirn: it's really boring compared to the rest of the map
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiro: I'm constantly eating that with tengaku
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiro: even though it's not like
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiirn: and i was fucking tired
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiirn: of mapping
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiirn: this shit
2016-01-20 20:43 Shiro: completely breaking the meta
2016-01-20 20:46 Shiro: i think im done

2016-01-23 18:33 Shiirn: OKAY HIT ME
2016-01-23 18:34 Desperate-kun: okay let me see
2016-01-23 18:34 Shiirn: UHHH
2016-01-23 18:34 Shiirn: brb errand
2016-01-23 18:36 Desperate-kun: so like
2016-01-23 18:37 Desperate-kun: 01:29:062 (6,1) - this seems a bit low spacing for 1/2
2016-01-23 18:37 Desperate-kun: and reads like a 1/4 gap for me
2016-01-23 18:37 Desperate-kun: 01:36:062 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - such a cool pattern <3
2016-01-23 18:38 Desperate-kun: 01:48:562 (3) - any specific reason to use a bezier slider here? (not important i'm just curious)
2016-01-23 18:39 Desperate-kun: 02:12:229 (2,3) - seems odd that these are not perfectly stacked
2016-01-23 18:40 Desperate-kun: i just noticed 02:12:229 (2,4) - are also slightly moved... maybe you could make the distance the same for both to make the pattern look visually more appealing, if you don't want to stack them
2016-01-23 18:41 Desperate-kun: 03:01:395 - this section is the coolest of all, totally in love with it
2016-01-23 18:45 Desperate-kun: well other than those that i mentioned there are no problems
2016-01-23 18:45 Desperate-kun: if you can even call these problems
2016-01-23 18:45 Shiirn: im afk for a few more but i will read soon
2016-01-23 18:45 Desperate-kun: sure sure
2016-01-23 18:45 Shiirn: i will explain each
2016-01-23 18:45 Shiirn: ive seen them linked before
2016-01-23 18:45 Desperate-kun: but yeah you are right this has been checked enough
2016-01-23 18:50 Shiirn: 01:29:062 (6,1) - due to how the map has played im pretty sure no player would think this is a 1/4 spacing and as a pattern reset the spacing matters less anyway
2016-01-23 18:51 Shiirn: 01:48:562 (3) - magic 3-points weren't giving me the stretching curve i wanted
2016-01-23 18:52 Shiirn: 02:12:229 (2,3) - unlike the rest of the map this is the first time a note is put under the START of a slider and it is much harder to read if done that way
2016-01-23 18:52 Shiirn: 02:12:895 (4) - is unstacked just to be consistent with the 3 of the combo
2016-01-23 18:53 Desperate-kun: but they could be unstacked the same way like
2016-01-23 18:53 Desperate-kun: moving (4) a bit more away from (2)
2016-01-23 18:53 Shiirn: yeah
2016-01-23 18:53 Desperate-kun: beacuse (4) is almost stacked right now
2016-01-23 18:53 Shiirn: honestly (3) was supposed to be a bit closer and 4 was supposed to be a bit to the right
2016-01-23 18:53 Shiirn: but the stream is there
2016-01-23 18:54 Shiirn: ACTION shrugs
2016-01-23 18:54 Desperate-kun: i just moved (4) and (5) a bit http://puu.sh/mGJLK/8eccdec87b.jpg
2016-01-23 18:54 Shiirn: yeah, i'll do that
2016-01-23 18:54 Desperate-kun: cool
2016-01-23 18:55 Desperate-kun: well yeah that's it then
2016-01-23 18:55 Shiirn: mostly those early sections
2016-01-23 18:55 Desperate-kun: let me check technical stuff and we are good to go
2016-01-23 18:55 Shiirn: where things are a bit awkward on purpose because i was recovering my mapping skills while banned
2016-01-23 18:55 Shiirn: yep
2016-01-23 18:55 Desperate-kun: yeah
2016-01-23 18:55 Desperate-kun: i agree
2016-01-23 18:55 Desperate-kun: the map is alright at the beginning but gets much better at the end
2016-01-23 18:55 Shiirn: that's why i'm vehement about keeping a lot of it
2016-01-23 18:56 Shiirn: because i want to keep the original thoughts i had while showing how quickly a mapper can get better over the course of the same map
2016-01-23 18:56 Desperate-kun: lol that sounds like a pure excuse
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: it's a public statement
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: i'm not going to hide it
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: it's like "look the beginning of my map is shit because i want to show how i improved while mapping this"
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: i find that to be hilarious
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: well
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: i don't say shit
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: you should put it more like, your style changed
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: i use nicer words
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: but not the quality
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: like "rigid" and "awkward"
2016-01-23 18:57 Shiirn: and "evolving style"
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: yeah alright
2016-01-23 18:57 Desperate-kun: i'm fine with that
2016-01-23 18:58 Desperate-kun: technical is fine
2016-01-23 18:58 Desperate-kun: tell me when you updated
2016-01-23 18:58 Desperate-kun: i hope BSS is on your side
2016-01-23 18:58 Shiirn: updating
2016-01-23 18:59 Shiirn: updated
2016-01-23 19:00 Desperate-kun: fine