Hula wrote:

This map is mental fun now it's got hitsounds

My mod for you - Why is it only worth 1 kd? wtf not anymore



00:07:382 (7) - Increase the spacing of this object since it's got a stronger sound and i think should be emphasised a bit more redid the pattern
00:15:863 (4,5,6) - This could have a nicer curve going into the (6) slider. just a matter of moving the (5) a bit
00:18:376 (4,5,6) - A straight diagonal line rather than an ever so slightly curved triple? That or go for a tiny bit more curvature. more curved it is

00:19:162 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I'm not complaining but idk if you've tried it on these rhythms, replacing the first two circles with a 1/4 slider and the rest a quintuple in the same place. I think it plays on the piano a lot better.
<pic> it works decently - no nc though

00:48:848 (5) - 1 grid up pls huh? that doesn't even line up with the blanket

00:51:832 (4) - Try a 1/4 kick slider here to follow that cool ass high pitched sound. i don't think that sounds good here, what i did though was increase the spacing of the triangle, which worked well
00:56:858 (4) - Same as above. ^

01:01:099 (4,5,6,7,8) - There could be much better flow going on here, since I can't find much reason to have the flow jarring like that at that point.
Try something like this maybe? <pic> did something like that

01:09:895 (11) - Reduce spacing since it calms down at this point. but the slowdown takes effect on the circle after, though?

01:26:544 (6) - Overlapping circles slightly, could be made neater tidied up a bit, curved the part before and after a bit differently

01:24:502 (1) - This should be a 1/2 slider and there should be either 2 circles before it or as a slider since it'll follow the piano, the violin you're following there is barely noticable. <pic> http://puu.sh/cC09R/6c8b50aba0.jpg this was done instead

02:28:900 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Spacing problem within the stream it's not really a problem, is it though? made it a bit more consistent, anyway

02:54:502 (11) - This could be better done on the timeline like this I think <pic> i don't think so

02:59:999 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm feeling like this looks and plays better than the current way <pic> i don't get the slider part, but i did something similar and it worked out so eh

03:01:256 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why have you gone for low spacing here? dno

03:52:303 (4) - Blanket hey it wasn't that bad ;_;

04:50:890 (1,2,3,4,5) - this needs higher spacing imo, you can create more space to do stuff by sticking 04:50:575 (5) - on top of 04:49:633 (1) - slider start if you want :p fair enough

05:02:513 (6,1,2) - This could flow a whole lot better. Make it so the (1) flows on from the slider end and unstack the circles. A bit like you do later on in the kiai tried



K, It's been an hour, I might add to this if I get to it before you :p. And have a star. \:D/

Tess wrote:

This is a really interesting song, and it sounds like it wasn't very easy to map. Nice job with what you did, I think it already looks pretty good so far. The structure is good and it's generally consistent - I've found most of the issues to be rhythmic ones.

General

1. Add at least 2000ms AudioLeadIn. If you don't know how: File -> open .osu in NotePad -> Look under the General tab -> Change AudioLeadIn to 2000 and save. 1500 was enough for my purposes, no one will DT this anyway
2. Unsnapped greenline at 03:59:735 - . Consider moving it to 03:59:764 - , or snap it on top of 03:59:842 (1) - ok
3. - On 05:01:413 - you start a kiai section after the downbeat. I don't really see why, so maybe you could bring it back so it snaps on top of 05:01:335 (1) - ? This is also where your combo starts so it would make sense. I'd also recommend ending it on the sliderend of 05:20:261 (1) - , since that's where the intense section stops, and you don't really want any notes flashing after that. It'd just look out of place. not changing the start, as there's this specific sound in the background music that is a good cue in the music to start the kiai on - there's a different cue which i put a new combo on because it's more closely related to the hitobjects. these cues can be, and are, separated here. ending it earlier was a good idea though

Exodus - Polarity

1. 00:10:209 (1,2) - See this is wrong. You randomly switch from red/white to blue polarity here, without really giving the player any indication of the switch. It feels awkward while playing, especially on the first try. You'll have to turn (1) into a 3/4 slider here, and then your options are either removing (2) and keeping (3) like this or removing (2) and turning (3) into two circles like this. What the eventual placement will be is up to you but it's really important that you fix this. in my own opinion, this does not seem right. i think that -any- player capable of playing this map properly would be able to take the cues presented, as well as its consistency, and understand what the map does with these. i may also add that this is based on a ranked taiko map, which had these kinds of switches all over - it's a semi-important bit in the song itself(and the hitsounding reflects this well, in my opinion)
2. 00:10:994 (6,1) - And here you do it again. I recommend you watch the video on this thread t/55282 so that you'll know how to identify polarity shifts and how to deal with them. I won't be explaining the same thing for every faulty polarity shift but I'll point them all out to you so you can fix them after watching the video. for anything but the streams starting on blue ticks(after a sliderend), i find this blue polarity concept to be a separate thing from what i've done here - they're nothing but slightly offset doubles, and they don't seem off to me(then again, now i've heard this song probably a hundred times, creator bias is hard to deal with). i will go through these and closely monitor their place in the map, so that i can keep what i think needs keeping, while removing what could trip people up
   
   so basically, i left the 00:10:052 (1,2,3,4) - things(making them as internally consistent as i could) and increased the spacings for 3/4 gaps, and changed most(if not all?) other occurrences. quite large remaps of the 10- to 30 second mark, mostly to jump patterns and whatnot.
   
   
3. 01:08:246 (2,3) - This is really awkward to anticipate. 1/4 sliders on blue ticks with no way of anticipating when they'll start are really annoying and weird to play. Especially with songs like these, that have weird rhythms, it's very important that you pay close attention to stuff like this.

fixed
Here are also a few examples of cases where you did do the polarity shifts properly. These are good - don't change these rhythmically.

1. 00:20:261 (2,3) -
2. 00:27:801 (2,3) -
3. 00:37:853 (2,3) - technically these are sort of wrong, since they have a clap at the sliderend, but i let them stay because they play a lot better than my other variation lol(excuse: i'm following the guitar instead \:D/)
4. 03:29:528 (7,1) -

Exodus - Issues & Suggestions

1. 00:06:596 (2,4) - This pattern looks kinda wonky. Maybe you could move things around to make it slightly cleaner? I thought something like this looked good, and also evened out the spacing a little. I'm sure you can come up with something of your own to fix it with, but if you want to copy this pattern over; the co-ordinates for (2) are x101 y275 and (4) is on x201 y363 redid it instead. it was shit anyway
2. 00:27:486 (5) - Maybe move this so the curve is more angular like this? You'll get completely even spacing if you move it to x380 y265 nah, the point here is to make a partial pentagon shape
3. 00:31:884 (1,2,3) - This flows weirdly, I think a more triangular flow would work better. Especially since it would be more consistent with 00:36:910 (1,2,3) - returned this to its original shape instead, the triangle seemed a bit sharp
4. 00:48:691 (4,5) - Ctrl + G? yeah
5. 00:57:486 (2,3) - ^ i'd like to keep the same clockwise flow of the triangles, referencing the music and copying the earlier triangle in the music instead of contradicting it
6. 01:17:748 (2,3) - ^ that's cool

The section after the spinner is really nice, good job!
thanks

1. 01:49:397 (1) - Start this spinner on the red tick, it feels less jerky and panicky to play okay, had to reduce its length too in accordance with kaguya's points though
2. 01:52:460 (4,5) - There's no way for the player to know that this'll be 1/2 instead of 3/2 like before, the spacing's too large. I recommend you keep it at 1.3x max NCed differently for these parts, as done on the slider version seen later
3. 01:57:486 (5,6) - It's okay with this pattern because the spacing is lower + the player has already heard the rhythm once. So it could've been high spacing here since they already know what to expect (but I recommend keeping it like this)
4. 02:45:078 (6,7,8,9) - Okay, this is a bit tricky to explain, and I'm not sure if you'll like this, but it's worth trying. Ctrl + G (6) with (8), and then Ctrl + G (8) and (9), then swap their position with (7) in the timeline so you end up with this. Hope that makes sense, I think that would play much smoother. yeah, why not - seems more forgiving and plays good as well
5. 02:53:246 (1) - I'd recommend changing this into two circles, probably in a small jumpy fashion. works well
6. 03:09:581 (1) - ^ ok, but only because hitsounds
7. 02:51:047 (2) - Small triangular jump instead of stacks? More of a suggestion than a playability issue, really. stacked it on the previous (4) instead. the HD players will hate me for this lol
8. 03:02:748 (2,3) - These played a bit awkwardly, probably because they start on blue ticks. I've only seen those play well on rare occasions. changed it
9. 03:06:910 (9,10) - (9) here should be a slider and (10) a circle, it's not comfortable when it starts on red there. out of all the occurrences of this, you only pointed out this one?? i think it works well enough here, so no change
10. 03:12:094 (6) - A slider on red works here because it fits the flow + it follows an accentuated sound in the music
11. 03:13:664 (1,2,3) - Is this done on purpose to accentuate the staccato in the song? It's not bad, just pointing it out in case it was an accident. reference to the first patterns in the song, intended
12. 03:16:963 (5,6) - Another case of a misplaced slider emphasizing the vocals here, hitsound changed instead of slider
13. 03:17:748 (2,3) - ^ changed
14. 03:48:219 (1,2) - This would work better if it were a 1/8 return slider with a hit circle where the current sliderend of 2 is. yeah, there is -no- way to make this not shit, so i guess that's the best solution
15. 03:58:272 (1,2) - ^ yes
16. 04:08:324 (1,2) - ^ alright
17. 04:18:376 (1,2) - ^ ok yo
18. 04:00:628 (1,2,3) - I think the anti-jump here should be between 1 and 2, with a downwards jump from 2 to 3, or else you're in an awkward position to start the next pattern (which is waaay faster) attempted to balance this in another way(i think)
19. 04:01:884 (1) - Why not two circles instead? Would accentuate the music much better and also be more consistent with your later patterns i figured the pressure was high enough here, but if you think it's okay, i changed that
20. 04:02:356 (1) - ^ no, this flows well into the coming stream and doesn't clash with anything
21. 04:02:827 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - This stream actually ends on the red tick woah, what the hell
22. 04:23:246 (3) - This would work better as 2 sliders instead of a repeat sure
23. 04:25:759 (3) - ^ yeah
24. 04:28:272 (3) - ^ done
25. 04:30:785 (3) - ^ applied
26. 04:53:717 (7) - Angle this upwards a bit more to suit the song's crescendo? an attempt was made
27. 05:01:099 (3,1,2) - This is very good, I love this part
28. 05:21:204 (1) - 2 circles instead, without an NC, and an anti-jump from 1 to 2, with an upwards jump to 3, and then add downwards jump towards a 4 here 05:21:518 - where you totally missed a note in the song, haha. If that doesn't make sense, see this that's ridiculous..._____________...i love it! (nced (3), though)
29. 06:01:885 (1) - Replace this with a hitcircle, really. You completely kill the feeling of the song if you spin it up on the fadeout. Maybe NC it too to accentuate that final chime, but that's up to you. i disagree, but it's probably better to do so in any case

Okay that took longer than I expected it to but it was really fun to mod. I'm not getting into the hitsounds because this is already big enough and I'm tired. I do have to say that despite the many mods the map was overall quite enjoyable to play and also mapped quite cleanly. Seriously, good job. Shooting you a star. Hope this helps! it really does, thanks so much for the mod!

You've now motivated me to map AxiVid. Hopefully it'll be done by 2016. please do, axivid is a 10/10 song

Kaguya Hourain wrote:

Modtime! Sorry if it's a little late.

1. Well I think the diff settings are a bit awkward. Pretty sure the drain is a little on the low side, but if that's what you're digging then it's fine. I also think the AR could easily drop to 9 and still be readable perfectly. i thought you didn't want the HP drain to increase last time it was brought up, i'll drop the AR though
   
2. 00:02:984 (4,1,2) - I think the slider goes better at 1 rather than 2 in the timeline. Also stacking 4 to 1 100% cuz I'm nazi like that! fixed stacking. i feel that the third beat is less important, so i'll let the slider stay as is
   
3. 00:07:539 (1) - I'd end the spinner 1/2 earlier and place a circle where the spinner currently ends, since you get no impact on a spinner's end it would be best if you added a circle. done
   
4. 00:11:937 (8,1) - I'd reverse the order of these two objects in the timeline since right now you have a clap in a sliderend which basically doesn't give the desired impact. Besides the slider better fits on the white tick in this section this has been changed in accordance with Tess' polarity modding
   
5. 00:21:204 (1,2) - These sliders quite fit here, but the clap in the end controverses the usage. You could also blanket 00:21:204 (1,1) - this better if you so desire. hmm, i was pretty sure this was originally done properly, probably has something to do with my later SV changes. fixed this though, should be perfectly symmetric and all although i think the clap works just fine, considering the background sound, anything else sounds empty in comparison
   
6. 00:23:874 (7) - Middlepoint to x:106 y:137 for better blanket, although I'd prefer seeing 2 circles here instead. \:D/ i like how this plays currently. the blanket looks even more off using your suggestion, though, i don't think it's noticable here anyway considering i can't see how i can fix it??
   
7. 00:40:837 - I think this section deserves to be mapped. 2 sliders on a lower SV or something will do. i think that goes against the feeling of the song here
   
8. 01:07:225 (6) - Hmmmmm this looks a bit unrefined. If you want to show a spike in SV maybe you'd like to use red points subtly instead:
   <snip> yeah, that works fine
   
9. 01:18:062 (1) - Same as previous spinner. done
   
10. 01:23:246 (3,4,5) - I'd place the circle at the start of this and move the spinners 1/2 afterwards in the timeline, you can tell they're off because you already have placed whistles in their ends, not giving a desired impact on what you wish to do here. yes that is true
    
11. 01:28:272 (3,4,5) - The exact same thing happens here. fixed ^
    
12. 01:32:984 (3) - I don't see why this is a slider and not a couple of circles since you have claps on both its ends. this section doesn't need more circles than it does - ending claps have been softened a bit(added drum-hitnormal sounds to them), and a couple minor changes to this section
    
13. Generally many sliders with double claps on this section, consider adding more circles! ^
    
14. 01:49:397 (1) - Same thing as all your spinners. was fixed
    
15. 01:59:450 (1,1) - This slider is very wrong. You can fix it if you shorten the spinner by 1/2 and adding a reverse arrow to it extended backwards. done
    
16. 02:09:424 (1) - I think this fits better at 3/4 rhythmically and flows better in the current structure. huh. probably a SV mistake from my part
    
17. 02:10:680 (1,2) - Reversing the order of these two objects gives a more desirable impact. done for everything but two(the final ones of their 10 second parts)
    
18. 02:15:706 (1,2) - Same here.
    
19. 02:18:219 (1,2) - Also here. this occurrence has not been fixed, as i think it goes better with the music here, as does its 02:28:272 (1,2) - counterpart
    
20. 02:20:732 (1,2) - Maybe I'll stop mentioning them (?)
    
21. The kiai has the same circle > slider issue at some parts, take a look at those.
    
22. 02:48:062 (1) - This slider ends on a normal-hitnormal + whistle. It deserves to be clicked. End the slider 1/4 or even 1/2 sooner this works as a buildup for the next part, i do not agree with changing it
    
23. 02:49:633 (1) - Removing the arrow and adding a circle functions better than what you have right now imo:
    <snip> ^
    
24. 02:54:973 (2) - Again a slider with same impact on both ends. This should turn into two circles as well. yeah
    
25. 03:09:895 (1) - The sound at the spinner's end is too impactful for players not to click it. Shorten by 1/2 or something and add a circle! done
    
26. 03:18:534 (1) - Saaaaaaame! ok
    
27. 03:32:827 (2,3) - Stack issue here. You should fix that what? i don't know what a "stack issue" is, nor do i see anything wrong
    
28. 03:39:267 (1,1) - NICE SPINNER BLANKET! thanks!!
    
29. 03:45:078 (1) - You could make a circle > slider that ends 1/4 before the next beat to show the dragged sound that is there. Gives more playfulness to the map \:D/ i hate it when people do this, so i'm not gonna do it here
    
30. 04:09:895 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I see what you're doing here, but I think this is a big too much spacing. Changing it to 0.8 still gives a desired effect, considering the rest of your streams are somewhere between 0.6 and 0.7 i can hit this consistently enough(95+%) that i don't think i'll change it if not more people bring this up
    
31. 04:25:759 (3) - This is way better off turning into two sliders, it is pretty unexpected there and people WILL get confused. changed in accordance with Tess' mod
    
32. 04:28:272 (3) - Same issue here.
    
33. 04:30:785 (3) - Well you get the point.
    
34. 04:49:633 (1,2,3) - The first slider is not there in the music unfortunately. Maybe circle at the start of the slider? changed into a triple, then
    
35. 05:13:821 (8) - Remove the reverse arrow and place a circle. The end is a lot more impactful than what slider suggests. ok
    
36. 05:18:298 (5,4) - Another stack issue here, fix that if you want still don't get it
    
37. 05:23:717 (5) - Circle at the start of the slider and 1/2 slider where the reverse arrow is now located would give a better feel. no, i think this goes better with the melody here
    
38. 05:25:759 (2,3,4,5) - You did this better than the previous section I mentioned, which is effectively the same in the music. not exactly
    
39. 05:40:523 (1) - Spinner issueeeeeeesssssssssss >.< fixed
    
40. 05:46:177 (5,6,7) - Hmm you could spam 1/4 there. If not, why not try to blanket 7 to 6? did the latter, a stream didn't really fit
    
41. 06:01:885 (1) - Would be a good idea placing a circle where the spinner starts and start the actual spinner 1/4 later. There is a pretty nice sound there that can be mapped instead of starting to rotate your mouse/pen.

[/notice] removed the spinner, added circle

This map is very pretty! Nice pattens overall, I also enjoy the song. Good choice, and good luck! thanks!

1. 00:14:136 (2,3) - slightly offscreen i could swear this used to look different. fixed
2. 00:20:890 (5,6,7) - I disagree with the triplet here, most of the accentuation goes on the 3rd circle, but since the stronger one is actually the first I think it's better to go with a 1/4 repeat/1/4 slider and circle done
3. 00:25:916 (4,5,6) - ^
4. 00:27:172 (3,4,1) - such a wide angle with uneven spacing between 4 and 1 causes a pretty awkward deceleration after the huge acceleration of 3 ->4, I don't get the decrease in spacing between 4 and 1 anyways, 1 is still a pretty strong sound, either even up the spacing or make the angles sharper changed. my new solution should work(a lot) better
5. 00:40:366 (2) - I think a 1/2 slider would work well here, 00:40:523 (3) is a pretty weak sound while 2 has a snare on it i want to keep the distinction here
   01:07:225 (6) - imo just doing a slight wave with grey nodes fits the visual context of the map more agreed
6. 01:13:586 (4) - ends on a very loud sound hmm, I think using 3 circles instead of the 1/4 sliders feels better idk, weird rhythm lol changed to 4 circles instead(and restructured pattern after)
7. 01:21:047 (4,5,6,7) - asdf messy little overlap wow
8. 02:23:089 (9,1) - weird decrease in spacing again, especially since 9 is a stronger sound moved (8,9). i hope it works better
9. 03:33:298 (6,7,1) - ^asdf moved the jump
10. 05:01:570 (3) - I think a 1/2 slider would be better here, it at least maps out 05:01:727 with a tail and makes 05:01:884 clickable i'd like to keep the pressure reduced after the funky triangle pattern before to give it more "weight", if you get what i mean. i think a shorter slider + click would actually be less satisfying

i raised the hitsound volume of key parts a little, but i don't see the need for new samples at this point as they would be hard to implement properly. i disagree strongly with putting in custom soft-hitnormals even though the default ones suck - i just wouldn't recommend using the default skin if you want accuracy for this anyway

1. 00:07:617 (1,1) - watch out for the light blue combo color here, the default spinner's blue color can make it hard to see especially when you consider the map's mostly white bg. I would change the color for this one combo -- the purple one you have atm looks pretty good for it. Just click on 00:10:052 (1) - , go to the new combo button, and hit the arrow to change it (you probably know this already) i don't want to put in the purple combo color here as it'd clash with the pattern i use for them - i rotated the color cycle a little so the blue doesn't appear in front of the spinner, though
2. 00:21:204 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - all of this feels a little too sharp to feel natural during play, but I can see what you're trying to do with the flow. My suggestion to remedy this is to turn 00:21:204 (1) - into two circles while maintaining the circular flow -- this will make them launchpads into 00:21:518 (2) - as well as keeping a nice rhythm. Then maybe move 00:22:146 (3) - this closer to 00:21:518 (2) - 's head to keep that circular flow moving i couldn't really get myself to like the beat placements of this - i'd also like to keep the feel of the pattern as it is right now, so no change
3. 00:25:916 (4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is some great stuff here man, nice work! thank you!
4. 00:36:596 (2,3,1,2,3,4) - ^ ^
5. 01:11:308 (3) - This fast momentum moving downwards comes to an abrupt end because of the 1/2 gap you used, I would extend the slider to the blue tick so the momentum continues and can cover that sound accurately done. nice!
6. 01:29:685 (1,2) - I'd space these out so that there can be enough momentum to carry the cursor through to the rest of 01:29:999 (3,4,5) - . Something like 424:160 works nicely the circles are mapped to the same uhh... pitch, so i had them very close to each other since they don't really need momentum - didn't change this much
7. 01:50:575 (1) - Same recommendation I gave before about the combo colors, would be a good idea to change the color for this particular combo due to the spinner i don't think it matters that much when they're both gray instead of blue. if anything they'd blend in with the background, but they don't really do that, either...
8. 03:09:581 (1,2) - Maybe this jump is just a little too large given the lack of momentum coming in. 03:09:738 (2) - could also be hard to find due to its location. 288:344 could be a good place for it i never found this very difficult but now that i looked at it it seemed kinda ridiculous. i want the symmetry, but i scaled it down to a 2.1x jump now