woa
forum
osu!mania General Discussion
posted
Total Posts
132
Ayy juan you proceeded faster than I had expected. Let's have fun~
Topic Starter
We can talk about everything related to mania yup. Just respect each other and follow the common sense rules._underjoy wrote:
Can we talk about the star rating changes
420 post ftw
\(o u o)/ArcherLove wrote:
pp destroyerguitarlol wrote:
can we ask who is jejjin? /runs
I sexually identify as a meme and I find a friendly meme soul in star rating changes_underjoy wrote:
Can we talk about the star rating changes
I was thinking whether famous maps such as these would be put in the Unrankable/Gimmick maps category when implemented.XeoStyle wrote:
blue army rank when pls
Blue Army is pretty far from unrankable or gimmicky though? In fact it's probably one of the best index charts at the time.
Wait was this feature request accepted?abraker wrote:
I was thinking whether famous maps such as these would be put in the Unrankable/Gimmick maps category when implemented.
Not yet iirc, but I will surprised if it won't.PyaKura wrote:
Wait was this feature request accepted?abraker wrote:
I was thinking whether famous maps such as these would be put in the Unrankable/Gimmick maps category when implemented.
Technically it's not rankable unless the original creator of the map would push it towards at least getting it approved. Not entirely sure how that would work considering its status, need to read up on the rules concerning that. Otherwise, what can you do if the creator is not pushing it towards rank?Shoegazer wrote:
Blue Army is pretty far from unrankable or gimmicky though? In fact it's probably one of the best index charts at the time.
If not for those pesky doublesteps and jumps planted in stream, I would agree with you.Shoegazer wrote:
Blue Army is pretty far from unrankable or gimmicky though? In fact it's probably one of the best index charts at the time.
I might map some more index in the future, easier this time :>
sprindex spread mapset would be cool_underjoy wrote:
If not for those pesky doublesteps and jumps planted in stream, I would agree with you.Shoegazer wrote:
Blue Army is pretty far from unrankable or gimmicky though? In fact it's probably one of the best index charts at the time.
I might map some more index in the future, easier this time :>
You can't rank it by the current criteria. The well known Blue Army map was created by a dude named cat in 2005 for Stepmania. Sometime in 2006, he went inactive and hasn't been seen since. Several years later, Agka converted it as a test for his .sm to .osu converter, and someone else uploaded it to the BSS. This breaches the ranking criteria clause that you can only rank a map that you yourself created, or have obtained permission from a 3rd party to use (which is currently not possible given cat's status).abraker wrote:
Technically it's not rankable unless the original creator of the map would push it towards at least getting it approved. Not entirely sure how that would work considering its status, need to read up on the rules concerning that. Otherwise, what can you do if the creator is not pushing it towards rank?Shoegazer wrote:
Blue Army is pretty far from unrankable or gimmicky though? In fact it's probably one of the best index charts at the time.
In my opinion at least, the rights of the map itself are wholly owned by the parties responsible for creating it (i.e the people who actually created the original map, not a conversion). If the creator has no intention of getting it ranked, then you should leave it at that.
An index style spread would be pretty cool to see in ranked though
I want FDFD ranked pls make the dream come true mania mappers
ew noEos wrote:
I want FDFD ranked pls make the dream come true mania mappers
noHydria wrote:
ew noEos wrote:
I want FDFD ranked pls make the dream come true mania mappers
we need FDFD
or just to watch jhlee0133 FC it.
4k > 7k
*grabs popcorn*
*grabs popcorn*
should have a thread for good shit beatmaps of the month instead of just restricting it to ranked maps, sounds funPyaKura wrote:
ppsamapporse's ice angel is some good 7k ricey stuff, I highly recommend playing it
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
because people can be arsed to do that when they can just map for osu and convert .osu to a .bms file if they even feel like itRori Vidi Veni wrote:
Moved to this thread by request of Valedict and juankristalSpeaking of proposals: I'd like to ask everybody to chart their maps in editors for other games and provide the files with their map, because .osu files suck.
Osu files are timed to the millisecond(not some fraction of millisecond, just whole millisecond), as opposed to proper measure timing like the music it's charted to, or every big rhythm game ever that isn't osu. This means that unless you're lucky and fit the tiny amount of BPM's and measures that have round values in milliseconds, your stuff will be mistimed. And since this isn't going away because it's most likely an engine limitation, which would break all existing maps if fixed, we should all chart our stuff in other editors and use the built-in converters. I'm suggesting iBMSC and/or Stepmania's built-in editor, because there's plenty of games that take them, and because there's converters for them as well(the BMS one is built into the osu editor). Before you say "using other game's editor is ridiculous", check how O2Jam charts are made.
If you don't believe me, open any .osu file for any game mode(they all share this flaw) in notepad or something like that and/or look at the wiki(inb4 they remove or change it).
And yes, you can put other files in the folder and still have Bancho take them, val0108 had a map with a zip of his skin in it.
i think because developers made the osu!mania editor for the easiest use, not really for more advanced user.
It's because when peppy designed the format years ago he made a terrible design choice, and since it would be a massive breaking change, hasn't fixed it yet.
Looking for a new song to map but I really have no idea... Something that is interesting in its structure sounds good. I also kinda want to try my hand at mapping some Grand Thaw. dem snaps
If you are looking to map a high star 7k, 8k or 9k I suggest the Palladio remix by Silent Nick. I would imagine you would need to do some cuts here and there to get rid of the repetitive parts.PyaKura wrote:
Looking for a new song to map but I really have no idea... Something that is interesting in its structure sounds good. I also kinda want to try my hand at mapping some Grand Thaw. dem snaps
If that's too much and you want something calmer like Grand Thaw, look up Raujika
Yeah Palladio is too repetitive for me. As for Grim I can definitely see the potential but it drags on a bit too much for my taste... I'll keep it in mind though, it's been a long time since I last listened to it and it's a rather cool song.
There are some Grand Thaw tracks that aren't rankable if I'm not wrong, Flesvelka is practically unrankable due to snapping shenanigans.PyaKura wrote:
Looking for a new song to map but I really have no idea... Something that is interesting in its structure sounds good. I also kinda want to try my hand at mapping some Grand Thaw. dem snaps
You might be interested in this one, fifth song - 10:30.
Aaah MiddleIsland, lot of good material in that vid, thanks.
As for Grand Thaw songs they -can- be rankable if you accurately put red lines for each unsnappable notes, which does sound like a lot of trouble eh.
As for Grand Thaw songs they -can- be rankable if you accurately put red lines for each unsnappable notes, which does sound like a lot of trouble eh.
Why not try this one?PyaKura wrote:
I also kinda want to try my hand at mapping some Grand Thaw. dem snaps
Aventyr has been mapped a number of times now lol.
well im trying to map a song compilation of Grand Thaw.
grabbed from someone
grabbed from someone
Any recommended unranked 8k maps to practice? Playing 8K for a while.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ggynqd6tvrik2wc/Gz1KHLrtcE
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/306873
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/681161
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/487782
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/632767
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/402999
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/547366
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/807598
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/641635
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/732809
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/755859
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/518041
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/651365 (jk it's old and sucks)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/306873
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/681161
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/487782
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/632767
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/402999
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/547366
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/807598
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/641635
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/732809
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/755859
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/518041
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/651365 (jk it's old and sucks)
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
Thanks for the mapsTodestrieb wrote:
-snip-[/color]
Well i would try to play LR2 but, my shitty computer can't handle it so nope. Idk if it can handle raindrop though.Rori Vidi Veni wrote:
I'd say just go play some BMS, not gonna miss much here but you can find a lot of interesting things. And before someone pulls the "LR2 is hard" argument, there's always Raindrop
https://github.com/zardoru/raindrop/releases/tag/0.290 This is the latest release for raindrop.
Bobbias wrote:
https://github.com/zardoru/raindrop/releases/tag/0.290 This is the latest release for raindrop.
/me clap
me wow
Is there a difference in how charting in both games supposed to be?
Holds have a very different mechanic in Stepmania, which makes their traditional uses different. In Stepmania, you are not forced to hold until the end of the note perfectly. You are allowed to lift a bit early, or hold it late and still get the normal score for hitting it. You can even lift off the hold for a short time with no penalty. Also, with arrow skins holds have a strong impact on pattern readability. Sometimes miniholds are used in stepmania (for example, 1/4 or 1/8 length holds) which have no real effect on playability, but add a visual emphasis on certain notes.
Oh okay I see, thanks for the explanation.
That's also why many players with stepmania experience particularly dislike hold heavy 4k charts here.
I was wondering about using a joystick for mania. I am currently using an Xbox one controller but the triggers dont work and i was wondering if there was a better controller that I should use like a PS3/4 or Xbox 360 controller. If there is would you recommend Wired or wireless?
how about you dont use a joystick?AnimeGod2205 wrote:
I was wondering about using a joystick for mania. I am currently using an Xbox one controller but the triggers dont work and i was wondering if there was a better controller that I should use like a PS3/4 or Xbox 360 controller. If there is would you recommend Wired or wireless?
Babu24 wrote:
AnimeGod2205 wrote:
I was wondering about using a joystick for mania. I am currently using an Xbox one controller but the triggers dont work and i was wondering if there was a better controller that I should use like a PS3/4 or Xbox 360 controller. If there is would you recommend Wired or wireless?
how about you dont use a joystick?
I prefer using a joystick. it is more comfterable. the only thing that would be better is an actual usb keyboard that i could use. but i liker the shape of a controller. so will you give me an answer or just be rude?
I'd say if you're dead set on a controller, use a wired one. I'm not sure how wireless has progressed over the years, but I'm sure it still has some sort of delay that would make timing harder to manage.
Using anything other than an actual keyboard will definitely put you at a disadvantage over other players.
Using anything other than an actual keyboard will definitely put you at a disadvantage over other players.
Bobbias wrote:
I'd say if you're dead set on a controller, use a wired one. I'm not sure how wireless has progressed over the years, but I'm sure it still has some sort of delay that would make timing harder to manage.
Using anything other than an actual keyboard will definitely put you at a disadvantage over other players.
thanks any recommendations on what type of controller?
I am not very knowledgeable about gaming controllers but the ones I've seen the most are those Xbox controllers a ton of players are using to play fighting, racing games and whatnot. Considering fighting games require very low delay to be played comfortably, I'd say they are probably a good choice if you don't intend on using a keyboard or another controller specifically designed for rhythm gaming. What I know though is that setting it up and mapping keys is a piece of cake.
PyaKura wrote:
I am not very knowledgeable about gaming controllers but the ones I've seen the most are those Xbox controllers a ton of players are using to play fighting, racing games and whatnot. Considering fighting games require very low delay to be played comfortably, I'd say they are probably a good choice if you don't intended on using a keyboard or another controller specifically designed for rhythm gaming. What I know though is that setting it up and mapping keys is a piece of cake.
ok thanks.
this is ded? lol.
mfw BN all busy
mfw BN all busy
blame kami for that
henti kami
Topic Starter
Woah, never saw that. My bad!ArcherLove wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/126509
lol
ded here? xd
Why is this thread so inactive.
#blamejuan
Why is this thread so inactive.
#blamejuan
Topic Starter
Maybe because people post stuff in the subforum instead of here? D:Feerum wrote:
ded here? xd
Why is this thread so inactive.
#blamejuan
We should migrate some threads tho here
Yeah, there have been a lot of threads that really didn't deserve to be separate threads and would have been better as posts in here or another one of the main threads.
< yes
Hi!
I'm as the leader of this tournament want to ask osu!mania players for a recommendation maps for our mappool!
4K : http://hnng.moe/83U
7K : http://hnng.moe/83V
There is no rules! Only the stars that determine the diffculty. (I know SR osu!mania sucks but yee)
7K-press, LN, BMS, anything!
Thank you!
I'm as the leader of this tournament want to ask osu!mania players for a recommendation maps for our mappool!
4K : http://hnng.moe/83U
7K : http://hnng.moe/83V
There is no rules! Only the stars that determine the diffculty. (I know SR osu!mania sucks but yee)
7K-press, LN, BMS, anything!
Thank you!
Topic Starter
Whoops, really didnt see this one! How is the tourney going?egas00 wrote:
Hi!
I'm as the leader of this tournament want to ask osu!mania players for a recommendation maps for our mappool!
4K : http://hnng.moe/83U
7K : http://hnng.moe/83V
There is no rules! Only the stars that determine the diffculty. (I know SR osu!mania sucks but yee)
7K-press, LN, BMS, anything!
Thank you!
Still selecting mappool from the suggestion box until May 13!
And then the registration will open.
And then the registration will open.
Does anyone else play like this? I think I've gotten used to it now.
Topic Starter
I do think thats one of the best key configs! I find myself faster when I am using keys that are in the downside of the keyboard. But because mine is really dead I have to use the numbers D:
I have to play without keycaps or barely play at all. That's what I was referring to.juankristal wrote:
I do think thats one of the best key configs! I find myself faster when I am using keys that are in the downside of the keyboard. But because mine is really dead I have to use the numbers D:
Topic Starter
LOL gg me. I can't do that tho haha. I can't hit the key and i cant hear the clicky sound x.x
It works for me. New achievementjuankristal wrote:
LOL gg me. I can't do that tho haha. I can't hit the key and i cant hear the clicky sound x.x
/
Topic Starter
Did you try doing shift+tab?Sashime wrote:
Anyone? please help!
The score and percent did not showing in game!
What should i do!
#justasking
Please, don't do V2 scoring, nobody like it, It's a HUGE step back.
Topic Starter
Hey, we have a lot of time to make stuff better related to score v2! There is some stuff that HAS to be changed or discus at least (such as visual mods giving score advantage or the values or whatever). I think a score v2 for tournaments is indeed needed to make stuff more interesting and perhaps change the meta a little bit.Todestrieb wrote:
Please, don't do V2 scoring, nobody like it, It's a HUGE step back.
Will be hard to get used of combo being a thing but hey, mania is that kind of gamemode where you cant really underperform too much so giving combo a little bit more of importance is good in my opinion, underperforms and upsets will likely be something that we can see in MWC 4K now
Still, we HAVE to give all the feedback that we can to make it as close as perfection.
I've been pretty much down on my 4k after 4 extensive months of playing 7k while i did rank up tons and got really good at 7k, i feel like in 4k i haven't improved at all. So i was thinking about doing a 2 month streak of playing nothing but 4k, but i don't want my 7k improvement to slow down either, aaaaa this is a really hard decision.
If you are like me, you would go a couple days without mania and then shit out 1 or 2 decent scores, call it day, and repeat. I just play casually most of the time as if I am a noob (whether that's is on purpose or not is for my subconscience to decide), and then pick a random day to unleash all that stored power.Soul Evans wrote:
I've been pretty much down on my 4k after 4 extensive months of playing 7k while i did rank up tons and got really good at 7k, i feel like in 4k i haven't improved at all. So i was thinking about doing a 2 month streak of playing nothing but 4k, but i don't want my 7k improvement to slow down either, aaaaa this is a really hard decision.
So... I feel like a suck most of the time, but not always. Play 4k or 7k casually and go out sometimes? I dunno how that will work out as you are not me
My stamina will get worse in that case, for 7k maybe but for 4k my stamina is really essential for 4k since 6 star stuff are really dense so even when i see myself doing better than what i normally do at half of the map, i just die down because staminaabraker wrote:
If you are like me, you would go a couple days without mania and then shit out 1 or 2 decent scores, call it day, and repeat. I just play casually most of the time as if I am a noob (whether that's is on purpose or not is for my subconscience to decide), and then pick a random day to unleash all that stored power.Soul Evans wrote:
I've been pretty much down on my 4k after 4 extensive months of playing 7k while i did rank up tons and got really good at 7k, i feel like in 4k i haven't improved at all. So i was thinking about doing a 2 month streak of playing nothing but 4k, but i don't want my 7k improvement to slow down either, aaaaa this is a really hard decision.
So... I feel like a suck most of the time, but not always. Play 4k or 7k casually and go out sometimes? I dunno how that will work out as you are not me
I'm still not sure why that happens. Like you are not training any muscles really, right? How I understand it is that the efficiency controlling fingers that fast comes from learning to do it. I always found myself tapping faster when I remember my technique for doing so - tap as briefly as possible and keep fingers off keytops as much as possible (like pretend the keyboard is hot as the sun or something). Would this imply we forget these things this easy or am I wrong and we actually do train our muscles on this? I really never understood. 
There is also reading, but let's assume your ability to read doesnt degrade for the sake of what I am trying to say/ask.
There is also reading, but let's assume your ability to read doesnt degrade for the sake of what I am trying to say/ask.
Just because i'm able to do hard maps doesn't mean i wont burn out in the process, like for me, i get an A on a 4k map and i find my arms dead from exhaustion.
When you play a hard map that's like, the max thing you can barely S or A you get a feel that your fore arms are burning and feeling tired, keep that feeling for too long, and you end up unable to play the map properly because your arms get really tired from the process of playing a difficult map. and yes in some cases you don't really rust but that's like for easy maps you don't really feel burn out from playing (unless it's like a 97-98% on a jumpstream map), but for maps that reaches your limits that's when you feel that you're draining stamina.
When you play a hard map that's like, the max thing you can barely S or A you get a feel that your fore arms are burning and feeling tired, keep that feeling for too long, and you end up unable to play the map properly because your arms get really tired from the process of playing a difficult map. and yes in some cases you don't really rust but that's like for easy maps you don't really feel burn out from playing (unless it's like a 97-98% on a jumpstream map), but for maps that reaches your limits that's when you feel that you're draining stamina.
Honestly I am not sure why players use the word stamina to describe their ability to maintain on a map. The term usage "have enough stamina to do a map" is so wrong imo. To me, that implies you are barely keeping up with the map. What you call "using stamina" to me is the resultant opposing force your fingers experience over time which comes from directing your fingers to go the opposite way they are going, which causes strain in the ligments. It's just lack of control in simple terms. If you have fine control of your finger movements such that you are not forcing them to move fast, then you shouldn't even feel any strain causing stamina depletion over time.Soul Evans wrote:
...
You can feel the burn out for either of two reasons: your reading ability is efficient enough but your hitting ability is not efficient enough or your read ability is not efficient enough and as a result your hitting ability is not efficient enough. Jumpstream and broken stream maps require good reading efficiency while jack maps require good hitting ability. If you are having trouble on dumpstreams and/or broken streams, then you reading ability is the bottle neck. If you are having trouble on jack maps like sewing machine or something similiarly easier, then your hitting ability is the bottle neck.
High level VSRG stuff is quite similar to high level guitar playing in this aspect. Speed comes from good finger technique, not from finger strength. Playing faster than your finger technique can handle results in your fingers tensing up, causing the mid-song muscle fatigue you described. With better finger technique, you can play the same song at the same (or greater) speed using less strength, less movement and therefore with less muscle fatigue.Soul Evans wrote:
My stamina will get worse in that case, for 7k maybe but for 4k my stamina is really essential for 4k since 6 star stuff are really dense so even when i see myself doing better than what i normally do at half of the map, i just die down because stamina
On a slightly different note, playing songs where your fingers are constantly tensing up is probably not a good thing. You may be developing bad finger technique and get finger/hand injuries in the process. Playing at the limits of what you can comfortably play is better for preventing injuries and developing finger technique. Look at how some of the most skillful guitar players practiced, and you'll find they worked their way up to insane speeds by doing exactly this.
You still need to play relatively hard things (for your skill level) to improve technique. Playing something that is too easy makes it much harder to actually change your technique and see the difference that better technique makes.
Agreed, let me rephrase that part of my previous post: Pushing the limits of what you can comfortably play is better for preventing injuries and developing finger technique. I.e., do challenge yourself, don't strain yourself.Bobbias wrote:
You still need to play relatively hard things (for your skill level) to improve technique. Playing something that is too easy makes it much harder to actually change your technique and see the difference that better technique makes.
May i ask you, in what way do you think people would play to the point where their hands will get injured? you see, the it's very rare to get RSI from mania so that means there is only one possibility, Carpel tunnel, but that's if you played maps way out of your league+playing it constantly, i don't think players would go that far honestly. You should take into account that while you are right about finger technique, but the one i'm referring to when it comes to stamina. Let me ask you this, have you ever tried a Jumpstream marathon map? something like Icyworld charts, or even maps like blue army or we luv lama, well if that's the case yes well imagine that burning feeling increases for a long time to the point where you just can't handle it and end up failing to follow to the map, that's what i'm suffering from, to be unable to continue a map because i lost my stamina, if i had infinite stamina i could have easily played that map with an S or something higher in % it's like a runner in parkour, he knows how to do a backflip and trained on it but after he took a 4 month break he finds it difficult to execute, but he knows how to do it but his legs failed him.
Those used to burn, but I can do them without feeling a thing now since I learned to read the patterns.Soul Evans wrote:
or even maps like blue army or we luv lama
Is there possibility you just read less efficiently, hence forcing your fingers to strain while trying to keep up?Soul Evans wrote:
that's what i'm suffering from, to be unable to continue a map because i lost my stamina,
I can 99% FC 5* jumpstreams and still feel the burn in my arms, so it's not a reading problem
99% and feeling burns. Maybe you are forcing yourself to press keys and/or pressing keys too hard?Soul Evans wrote:
I can 99% FC 5* jumpstreams and still feel the burn in my arms, so it's not a reading problem
Osu!Mania is confined within it's play field. When will such limits be broken?
ok so I'm here to discuss who is the fastest player
The FASTEST o!m player EVER !!! OMG ^^
130 KPS!!11
MORE KPS = BETTER
MORE KPS = BETTER
KPS = SKILL
Honestly anyone who says KPS doesn't equal into skill is wrong. KPS IS EVERYTHING!1!step mania wrote:
KPS = SKILL
